Wie playing 'well'

[johnthegolfer]

Despite failing to make a single birdie, Wie said she wasn't too concerned about her game. "I don't think I was playing that bad," she said.

She shot an opening 81, 2 ahead of the last place finisher and 15 back of the leader.

Hey, if her 81 is OK, then I - having shot 81 (once) should - presumably, be trying to get sponsors' exemptions to the PGA Tour as well.

Hey, we can all dream!!


Wie said she was still confident about making the cut. "I've been practicing and working on my game a lot," she said. "I still have a positive mind-set for tomorrow."

[Pingnut]

Is she playing this week or something?

Sounds like a quote from one of the many tournies she played this summer.

[Carlton]

Look who's using da SUMO as well...

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XKAN101112301_1024x768.jpg

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XKAN101112202_1024x768.jpg

[EDSGolf]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, if PGA tourney's were giving me exemptions I'd take them in a flash. Wouldn't you?

[Bellyhungry]

Is she playing this week or something?

Sounds like a quote from one of the many tournies she played this summer.

I hear you, it is like deja vu...

On the other hand, if you get an invite, why would you decline? As many people have been saying, playing with better players will improve your game...

[Pingnut]

I honestly didn't know she was playing. Not as much hype as wie normally see and hear. ;)

[racmbs]

I honestly didn't know she was playing. Not as much hype as wie normally see and hear. ;)

:rofl: :rofl:

Clever....wie never would've thunk it. :D

Look who's using da SUMO as well...

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XKAN101112301_1024x768.jpg

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XKAN101112202_1024x768.jpg

Carlton's new driver/shaft combo......the Wie Bassara.

Think she draws the ball a little? Look at how much her right hand has released around the grip.

She'd take you out Carlton.....think dirty thoughts. :p

[johnthegolfer]

Is she playing this week or something?

Sounds like a quote from one of the many tournies she played this summer.

She is playing the Casio World Open this week in Japan. This is the one that Monty withdrew from a while back.

If the quote sounds familiar, it is. The worse she scores, the more positive her talk about her game! It's all getting rather sad - a really good player with almost unlimited potential becoming something of a joke throughout the game. 33 LPGA tournaments without a win. She's done well for a teen rookie but surely she should fulfil her potential at her own level before returning to compete against the men?

http://www.pga.com/news/tours/european/casio112306.cfm

[Carlton]

She'd take you out Carlton.....think dirty thoughts. :p

LOL... does that mean she pays for dinner? :p

[wayland]

What shaft is that in her Sumo?

[Greywolf]

What shaft is that in her Sumo?

It is a Honma ARMRQ shaft similar to this one...(info courtesy GolfWRX)

http://www.honmagolf.co.jp/english/product/images/armrqb62.jpg

[TourIQ]

Wie said she was still confident about making the cut. "I've been practicing and working on my game a lot," she said. "I still have a positive mind-set for tomorrow."

Make the cut, she will be lucky not to finish dead last again. I love her self-talk quote:
"I don't think I was playing that bad," she said. "My long game put a lot pressure on my short game. I have to get my confidence back on my drive and just hit the ball the way I always do and I'll be fine."
Just more Wie B.S. that she has game and can compete ...

She has lost ALL confidence to play the game and compete especially against the men. I wonder if the Square Nike driver contributed to her less than stellar drives ...

If the quote sounds familiar, it is. The worse she scores, the more positive her talk about her game! It's all getting rather sad - a really good player with almost unlimited potential becoming something of a joke throughout the game. 33 LPGA tournaments without a win. She's done well for a teen rookie but surely she should fulfil her potential at her own level before returning to compete against the men?

Comments spot on mate ...:eek:

[dstraus]

Same old story, MW finished dead last, 17 over. Hey, but I'm glad she feels good about her game.:confused:

[Grobar]

"Not at all," said Wie, winless in 33 career LPGA Tour appearances. "I didn't play like myself today and it doesn't bother me because I know I can play much better than this. I learn a lot from playing with the men."

Helloooooo, am I missing something???? She is WINLESS in 33 appearances, so what kind of a "game" is she talking about??!!?? :rolleyes:

Yes, she certainly learns a lot playing with men... how to get your a.s.s. kicked.

Her father and management are going to destroy her for good, and it looks like they have already done a good job of it. Now she thinks that she is actually better then what she is showing on the golf course. When will she realise what they are doing to her, and that the SCORE is the only judge in golf, and not some "A" game that she supposedly left at home!!

[TourIQ]

Her father and management are going to destroy her for good, and it looks like they have already done a good job of it. Now she thinks that she is actually better then what she is showing on the golf course. When will she realise what they are doing to her, and that the SCORE is the only judge in golf, and not some "A" game that she supposedly left at home!!

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=21292

KOCHI, Japan -- Michelle Wie beat only one player in yet another embarrassing performance in a men's event, shooting an 8-over 80 on Friday in the second round of the Japanese tour's Casio World Open.

The 17-year-old Wie finished at 17-over 161 on the Kuroshio Country Club course, leaving her 27 strokes behind leader Tetsuya Haraguchi and a shot ahead of amateur Tomomichi Oto. She didn't birdie a single hole in the tournament, finishing with six bogeys and a double bogey Friday after bogeying nine holes Thursday in an 81.

"It was pretty tragic, that's how I'd describe it," Wie said. "My driver wasn't working at all and that put a lot of pressure on my short game."

[Bellyhungry]

17 year old; have millions of dollars; travel all over the world; famous and on TV...

Let me see: 1) be the best athlete in your discipline but no fame or fortune, or 2) be a mediocre athlete in your choosen profession but amass fame and fortune.

(of course, the political thing to say when someone chasing money is 'I want to have enough security to provide for my family'. No for 'myself', but 'for my family'. Anyhow, I digress....)

For 1), see all those Olympic athletes. e.g. Canada's very own gold metal winner in gymnastic in the last Olympic. Can you name him?

Hardly a failure as a 17 year old...As an athlete, yes; as a teenager (or as a human being), no....

[wayland]

17 year old; have millions of dollars; travel all over the world; famous and on TV...

Hardly a failure as a 17 year old...As an athlete, yes; as a teenager (or as a human being), no....

Would you rather be Anna Kournikova or Maria Sharapova? I pick the latter.

[Bellyhungry]

Would you rather be Anna Kournikova or Maria Sharapova? I pick the latter.

Anna wanted to be where Maria is, but not enough talent and drive to get there.

Having said that, would you not rather be Anna when you do not have talent?

[hogannut]

This is my opinion on MW. She is a great natural swinger of the golf club, maybe the best ever for a woman. She is tall and creates tons of power and has the best physical attributes of any woman I have ever seen. What she is not is a competitor, and no matter how much talent you have if you are not a competitor and are at the elite level of your endavour you will not succeed.

Annika is a competitor, Julie Inkster is a competitor, Morgan Pressel is a compeititor. This is the intagible that sports people always talk about. It is the difference between players and super stars. Gretzky was not exceptionally big, he wasn't the best skater, he didn't have the hardest shot, but he wanted to win and he embrased the competiton of the game he played.

Why do guys like Nicklaus and TIger seem to be able to "will" a putt when they really need it? It is all mental and they have the gift (or maybe curse!) of embrasing competition at any level. Did anyone see the Tiger interview a few months back on 60 minutes. Remember the part when he was talking about that? He used ping pong as his example and he said if he were to play someone in ping pong he would win, and if not he'd want to go for best of 3, then best of 5 (if he lost best of 3) and so on until he won. Tiger is a competitor.

I am now thinking that MW lacks that intagible asset. I still think she will have a great overall career in golf, but I see her going down the road similar to Phil Mickleson wherease they are a great player but when all is said and done you scratch your head and think they had such much talent....why didn't they win more?

[wayland]

Anna wanted to be where Maria is, but not enough talent and drive to get there.

Having said that, would you not rather be Anna when you do not have talent?

There is no excuse for no drive. Not enough talent, I can understand but anyone blaming it on lack of drive is simply lazy. Whether Anna had enough talent is an argument that no one can win. I can safely guess that she had the talent for top 3 in the world as she had great ground strokes, good volley (lots of doubles experience), and a pretty good serve. Anna simply didn't have the mental part of the game and being Anna, it was so easy to get sidetracked with everything else going on in her Diva lifestyle.

Regardless. My question about which you'd rather be was absolute. No "ifs" or "when". I would be Maria. Looks fade, the lustre of a major championship doesn't.

[Bellyhungry]

There is no excuse for no drive. Not enough talent, I can understand but anyone blaming it on lack of drive is simply lazy. Whether Anna had enough talent is an argument that no one can win. I can safely guess that she had the talent for top 3 in the world as she had great ground strokes, good volley (lots of doubles experience), and a pretty good serve. Anna simply didn't have the mental part of the game and being Anna, it was so easy to get sidetracked with everything else going on in her Diva lifestyle.

Regardless. My question about which you'd rather be was absolute. No "ifs" or "when". I would be Maria. Looks fade, the lustre of a major championship doesn't.

Hmmm...I am not sure if I am addressing your point, and I am not sure if you are addressing mine....

[TourIQ]

This is my opinion on MW. She is a great natural swinger of the golf club, maybe the best ever for a woman. She is tall and creates tons of power and has the best physical attributes of any woman I have ever seen. What she is not is a competitor, and no matter how much talent you have if you are not a competitor and are at the elite level of your endavour you will not succeed.

Annika is a competitor, Julie Inkster is a competitor, Morgan Pressel is a compeititor. This is the intagible that sports people always talk about. It is the difference between players and super stars. Gretzky was not exceptionally big, he wasn't the best skater, he didn't have the hardest shot, but he wanted to win and he embrased the competiton of the game he played.

Why do guys like Nicklaus and TIger seem to be able to "will" a putt when they really need it? It is all mental and they have the gift (or maybe curse!) of embrasing competition at any level. Did anyone see the Tiger interview a few months back on 60 minutes. Remember the part when he was talking about that? He used ping pong as his example and he said if he were to play someone in ping pong he would win, and if not he'd want to go for best of 3, then best of 5 (if he lost best of 3) and so on until he won. Tiger is a competitor.

I am now thinking that MW lacks that intagible asset. I still think she will have a great overall career in golf, but I see her going down the road similar to Phil Mickleson wherease they are a great player but when all is said and done you scratch your head and think they had such much talent....why didn't they win more?

Hi hogannut

Great post. When you say MW is not a competitor do you mean she lack the mental fitness [confidence and desire] to continue to improve then learn how to win?

At 18 years old, my nephew was one of the best billard [snooker] players in Canada. He once run 140 consecutive points [6X12] on a possible 147 perfect game. He would play 9-ball for only 1 month each and qualified as 1 of only 32 players in the world to go to Japan and play the World Jr. 9-Ball Championship. Games were a race to 9 I think. He would get up 7 to 4 then lose the match. He lacked the mental fitness to finish off his opponent.

I know another kid who played a tournament when ill. He was the defending champion and wanted to repeat for a 3rd time. He was real dizy on the range and could barely hit a golf ball. He didn't even know how he was going to hit his 1st tee shot. Feeling ill he played the 36 hole match, won Low Gross, began to bring up blo*d then went to hospital emergency [an hour after the match] to get checked out. With the right medication a week later he was back to normal health. He chose to play ill and didn't want to be denied the opportunity for a repeat win. To me this is a gamer, a competitor. I'm not saying golfers should play while sick, just illustrating a story regarding the desire to win.

There has been more than a few tournaments where Michelle has had a few holes to go then posts some high #'s to finish the round. So my question is this: Is being a competitor a mental state of mind?

[justinn]

ALL I SEE ARE NIKE LOGOS

[TourIQ]

ALL I SEE ARE NIKE LOGOS

Michelle is not leaving the + IMPACT with NIKE that they had hoped [or paid] for :eek:

[justinn]

they freaking plastered with nike logos, just wondering how much is she earning from the deal, 30mil?

[hogannut]

Hi hogannut

Great post. When you say MW is not a competitor do you mean she lack the mental fitness [confidence and desire] to continue to improve then learn how to win?

At 18 years old, my nephew was one of the best billard [snooker] players in Canada. He once run 140 consecutive points [6X12] on a possible 147 perfect game. He would play 9-ball for only 1 month each and qualified as 1 of only 32 players in the world to go to Japan and play the World Jr. 9-Ball Championship. Games were a race to 9 I think. He would get up 7 to 4 then lose the match. He lacked the mental fitness to finish off his opponent.

I know another kid who played a tournament when ill. He was the defending champion and wanted to repeat for a 3rd time. He was real dizy on the range and could barely hit a golf ball. He didn't even know how he was going to hit his 1st tee shot. Feeling ill he played the 36 hole match, won Low Gross, began to bring up blo*d then went to hospital emergency [an hour after the match] to get checked out. With the right medication a week later he was back to normal health. He chose to play ill and didn't want to be denied the opportunity for a repeat win. To me this is a gamer, a competitor. I'm not saying golfers should play while sick, just illustrating a story regarding the desire to win.

There has been more than a few tournaments where Michelle has had a few holes to go then posts some high #'s to finish the round. So my question is this: Is being a competitor a mental state of mind?

in my humbe opinion competition is nothing but mental. How does Jack Nicklaus win at Augusta at 46 years old and pretty much out of shape? He bogeys' #12 in 1986 to go (I think) 4 back of the leader and then shoots like 31 on the back nine to win. His mental will to hit golf shots is what did it. In fact when he hit his shot on 16 to about 4 feet he said in his interview he can't see the ball fly anymore because of his eyesight, but he "knew" it was close.

I have studied a lot of sports pyschology mostly due to the fact I am trying to improve at my local amatuer events and the more I study the more it is apparent competition is mental. It is the only logical reason to explain why certain people excel and certain people don't. If it wasn't all mental then Mario Lemieux should have doubled Gretzky's stats as he is certainly superior in his physical skills compared to Wayne. Same thing with MW. She hits further than any girl out there, she is probablly the strongest girl out there (except maybe Annika) so if there were no other factors to consider then shouldn't MW be winning most of the time?

My father actually hustled a little snooker in university and it was him who instilled on me at a young age of the mental aspect of sports. Snooker is a great example to use. I used to follow the circuit when TSN used to show it (why doesn't TSN show professional snooker anymore?) and ALL those guys were unbelievable. Out of all those players why did Stephen Hendry kick the crap out of his compeition more often than not? Those players he faced were as capable as he was. Hendry had the mental ability to focus his entire being on the shot at hand (sounds like Tiger doesn't it) whereas his opponents could only do it most of the time.

If it is not entirely mental then I don't know what the missing factor is that seperates the TIgers of the world to the "regular" players because obviously both Tiger and #125 are awesome ball strikers and have the ability to shoot very good scores on any given day.

[Bellyhungry]

For what it's worth....

If you watched the Skins Game over the weekend, they made mention that the organizer's top two intended invitees for 2007 are Tiger Woods and Michelle Wie.

Just imagine...

[Golfbum]

For what it's worth....

If you watched the Skins Game over the weekend, they made mention that the organizer's top two intended invitees for 2007 are Tiger Woods and Michelle Wie.

Just imagine...

There goes the value of the Skins Game! Remind me of this next year so I do not bother to watch it :rofl:

[limp_putter]

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=21292

KOCHI, Japan -- Michelle Wie beat only one player in yet another embarrassing performance in a men's event, shooting an 8-over 80 on Friday in the second round of the Japanese tour's Casio World Open.

The 17-year-old Wie finished at 17-over 161 on the Kuroshio Country Club course, leaving her 27 strokes behind leader Tetsuya Haraguchi and a shot ahead of amateur Tomomichi Oto. She didn't birdie a single hole in the tournament, finishing with six bogeys and a double bogey Friday after bogeying nine holes Thursday in an 81.

"It was pretty tragic, that's how I'd describe it," Wie said. "My driver wasn't working at all and that put a lot of pressure on my short game."

Poor little Tomomichi Oto sure must feel like a chump.

[hogannut]

There goes the value of the Skins Game! Remind me of this next year so I do not bother to watch it :rofl:

I couldn't agree more!! I mean MW can't compete with mini-tour players how in the he** could she compete with Tiger.

[Golden Bear]

Well, if Wie is going to play against the men, then the place for that is skins games and other novelty events. Turning tournaments into a circus has to stop, in my opinion ... but things like the Skins game are meant to be a circus; they're for fun and for charity.

[Golfbum]

I couldn't agree more!! I mean MW can't compete with mini-tour players how in the he** could she compete with Tiger.

Maybe LG will require that the men invited to the 2007 Skins Game give MW strokes? That way it would be fair, just like us playing on a Saturday morning!:rofl:

[hogannut]

Maybe LG will require that the men invited to the 2007 Skins Game give MW strokes? That way it would be fair, just like us playing on a Saturday morning!:rofl:

I'll give MW 2 strokes on the front and 1 on the back. That should give her a fighting chance!!:rofl: :D