True Length Technology A Good Idea?

[Dan Twomey]

A friend of mine is recommending that I visit Dan Connelly and listen to his http://www.danscustomgolfshop.com/truelength.html "True Length Theory". After reading it, it seems to make sense but I'm a novice golfer so I don't have the background to see through any 'holes'. Thoughts anyone?

Regards,
Dan :confused:

[mrhaney]

I have to preface any comments I make about True Length Technology by stating that Dan is a "neighbour" of mine(as country neighbours go) and I have had him do some club work for me. To me his theory makes a lot of sense and before spring he will be building a new set of clubs for me and we will see how they work. (hopefully we can work together on them since I also assemble clubs but strictly as a hobby and am not a fanatic for accuracy in the same way that Dan is.) I do know that he has built a lot of clubs using this theory and no body has ever returned any. Also he will shortly be handling the Wishon line of components which I would like to try.

[danscustomgolfshop]

A friend of mine is recommending that I visit Dan Connelly and listen to his http://www.danscustomgolfshop.com/truelength.html "True Length Theory". After reading it, it seems to make sense but I'm a novice golfer so I don't have the background to see through any 'holes'. Thoughts anyone?

Regards,
Dan :confused:

Dan, thanks for the enquiry.
True Length Technology is a fitting / assembly system where the lengths are determined for each individual lie of a club - all CAD based.
Picture it this way
If your golf pro puts you into your most athletic address position, you will have
1 - your arms hanging down from your shoulders
2 - feet spread to near shoulder width
3 - spine tilt at near 30 degrees
4 - knees bent slightly
Now is a perfect time to drop a club into your hands - any club. True Length Technology clubs will end up with an identical amount of butt cap protruding past your hands for every club based on a perfectly set progressive lie angle.

If you look at traditional lengths cut in 1/2 inch increments you will find (for average height and wrist to floor) that your 3 iron may be slightly too long, and your wedge slightly to short.

With True Length Technology you will have the exact same hand position no matter what club. Now don't misunderstand. My clubs do vary in length - just not to 1/2 inch increments. The length is determined through a perfect math model that matches you, your swing, and your athletic position - always.

This common address position promotes unparalleled repeatability and confidence at address. No more stuffing that 3 iron into the ground or sculling that wedge because you had to dip to get into position.

You will not be dissappointed.

Regards
Dan
All clubs built to
True Length Technology

[danscustomgolfshop]

Posted 1 - got 1 deleted
Nice start on my part.
I should have read the rules a little closer. I was trying to give some added information to help clarify for the original poster.
I did not mean to cross the line.:hush:

[Pingnut]

No worries Dan. Nice to have you on Toronto Golf Nuts.
Looking forward to hearing more about your thoughts on golf equipment.

[mrhaney]

Posted 1 - got 1 deleted
Nice start on my part.
I should have read the rules a little closer, but in my defence I was not trying to advertise, as my Technology is not for sale.
I was trying to give some added information to help clarify for the original poster.
I did not mean to cross the line.:hush:
That's kind of funny because after I read my post, I was thinking it sounded a bit like advertising but I'm not trying to sell anything. Maybe you should look into becoming a sponsor.:nono:
ps I liked your answer. It helped me understand.

[Shadow]

There is no doubt that anyone buying off the shelf, traditional length golf clubs, will unlikely have them fit properly, so the method described above will help most golfers. Having MOI matched my clubs I can attest to Dan's theory that shorter long irons and longer short irons are much better. I have a couple of questions.

Why are the length and lie angles determined in the address position versus impact? A traditional setup has the angle between the shaft and the right arm obtuse at address, but straight at impact. Not all golfers have the same obtuse angle so the amount they have to move to the straight angled, impact position will vary. While presumably trigonometry will determine the lie angle, all clubs should be dynamically checked before delivery.

Should the way the way a golfer grips the club not be included in length determination? A golfer with a WTF of say, 34", but who has a 10 finger grip versus and overlap grip, should have "longer" clubs. The reason is simple: The right(lower) wrist hinge is the fulcrum of a lever so the lower hand of a 10 finger grip is farther down the shaft making the EFFECTIVE length of the club shorter.

There is a suggestion that the traditionally larger difference in lengths between clubs, altering the golfers swing plane, is a problem. Why? Any difference will change the swing plane and is a just a natural consequence of different lengths. The inference is that if all the clubs were the "SAME" length, to go to an extreme, that learning just one swing, would make the golfer better. Rather, the golfer does not LEARN several swings because of using different length clubs, different planes result without any conscious thought.

[danscustomgolfshop]

Why are the length and lie angles determined in the address position versus impact? A traditional setup has the angle between the shaft and the right arm obtuse at address, but straight at impact. Not all golfers have the same obtuse angle so the amount they have to move to the straight angled, impact position will vary. While presumably trigonometry will determine the lie angle, all clubs should be dynamically checked before delivery.

Should the way the way a golfer grips the club not be included in length determination? A golfer with a WTF of say, 34", but who has a 10 finger grip versus and overlap grip, should have "longer" clubs. The reason is simple: The right(lower) wrist hinge is the fulcrum of a lever so the lower hand of a 10 finger grip is farther down the shaft making the EFFECTIVE length of the club shorter.

There is a suggestion that the traditionally larger difference in lengths between clubs, altering the golfers swing plane, is a problem. Why? Any difference will change the swing plane and is a just a natural consequence of different lengths. The inference is that if all the clubs were the "SAME" length, to go to an extreme, that learning just one swing, would make the golfer better. Rather, the golfer does not LEARN several swings because of using different length clubs, different planes result without any conscious thought.

Shadow, you are correct about the address vrs. impact position. The WTF is just a starting point. Someone who plays like the great Moe Norman would indeed need a longer set than what the WTF indicated (Moe was a Natural golfer stlye with arms extended on the same axis as the shaft).

Keep in mind that True Length clubs are not the same length but on a constantly reducing increment (less than 1/2 inch) but perfect to the math model. It allows a very repeatable setup position - resulting in a very repeatable impact - more on center hits and improved playability. All this comes from a good fitting.

[Shadow]

Someone who plays like the great Moe Norman would indeed need a longer set than what the WTF indicated (Moe was a Natural golfer stlye with arms extended on the same axis as the shaft).

Ironically, I use a single axis, Moe Norman type swing and because of that I have made my clubs longer by the difference between my SA grip and my previous Vardon overlap grip (about 1.5") My MOI matched clubs are roughly .4" apart.

BTW:While I don't play "like the great Moe Norman," the SA swing did improved my ball striking consistency.

[danscustomgolfshop]

Ironically, I use a single axis, Moe Norman type swing and because of that I have made my clubs longer by the difference between my SA grip and my previous Vardon overlap grip (about 1.5") My MOI matched clubs are roughly .4" apart.

BTW:While I don't play "like the great Moe Norman," the SA swing did improved my ball striking consistency.

I did a full season trying Natural golf - and felt good about it, but did return to my swing the next season. I think it helped with some of my mechanics though. Got to see Moe 25 years ago, amazing is all I can say. The guy was a Master.

True Length Technology system has alot in common with MOI as the length incrementation is less than the 1/2 inch per club (but no 2 clubs are cut to the same increment), and is on a progressive swing weight sequence.
I bet you find the 0.4 inch length separation is far better than the 1/2 inch.

[TourIQ]

This thread just got a whole lot shorter ...
My welcome wishes to Dan on the other thread
is gone too. Oh well, 'welcome to the forum Dan'.

[danscustomgolfshop]

Thanks for the support guys.
I must have gotten a little caught up in the moment and just wanted to 'fill in the blanks' about True Length Technology.
I tend to be very enthusiastic about a good fitting.

[TourIQ]

Thanks for the support guys.
I must have gotten a little caught up in the moment and just wanted to 'fill in the blanks'
about True Length Technology. I tend to be very enthusiastic about a good fitting.
Hi Dan

I see via your 'Post Count = 1' you are starting over, so let me be the first
to welcome you to this forum. We ALL get enthusiastic over a good thing.

[simar]

welcome to the nutty bunch :)

[danscustomgolfshop]

welcome to the nutty bunch :)

Thanks simar, I really have enjoyed viewing the postings here.
I can tell that there will be a little bit of debate (which keeps it fun) and most seem to share a good sense of humour (or is that humor)?
I look forward to spending some time with you bunch of 'nuts'