Long courses are unfair?

[Ems]

During the Masters, Mike Weir agreed with someone that the lengthening of the courses is giving the power hitters an advantage in the game. Do you guys agree?

[boss of the moss]

I disagree. Each week the winner is still the guy with the least amount of putts combined with greens in regulation. Mike Wier got off to a slow start at the masters and he still wasn't to far out off contention. These guys are good. Dimarco had no problem hitiing 5 and 6 irons close to the hole in the last round of the masters when Tiger was hitiing 8 and 9 irons.

[Grass Roots Tour]

I do agree. Lengthing courses has totally affected who is competitive and I think the tour officials are totally aware of the effects of the changes.
The tour decides what changes are necessary to bring the event to your course. I saw this when the Nationwide tour came here. A series of officials came out, saw the course and remarked "this list of changes is necessary in order to run a tournament here". The course had to rebuild a few greens, enlarge a brand new clubhouse, rework the range, install leaderboard and find a place to park all the cars. These are just the changes I know about and I don't even play there.
I'm sure there were more changes required and I'm sure the PGA tour is even more demanding.

The tour officials are aware people love to watch the ball being bombed and they think thats one of the biggest drawing cards of the tour. This is also why the ball technology is being so overworked and why new drivers are being developed every year.

Bombers on tour winning = more butts in the seats
More butts in the seats = more money

[962B]

Unfair? That's like saying high nets in basketball give the tallest guy the advantage......what's wrong with that? Length has always been an advantage in golf when combined with a superb short game. That is why Nicklaus was, and still is, the greatest golfer of all time. He hit it as long as anyone in his prime, and he had the short game to back it up.

If length is the be all and end all in golf, why is Hank Kuehne all out to break 80 this year? BECAUSE HE CAN'T PUTT!!!!:help: HE CAN'T CHIP!!!!:help: HIS SHORT GAME IS BRUTAL!!!!:help:


Long courses help a very select few. Guys that bomb it and can still chip and putt at an elite level. Those guys are Woods, Els, and Singh. Please don't say Mickelson. He's not in their league off the tee with his driver. :nono:

The few players that can do it all SHOULD have an advantage. Golf is a SPORT, not a poker table.

I rest my case.

[Ego Woods]

Unfair? That's like saying high nets in basketball give the tallest guy the advantage......what's wrong with that?
I agree with this statement as it applies to golf....you can get a basketball team of five 7 foot guys and they probably won't do that well....you still need outside shooting, speed, dribbling and passing skills ...

As it is in golf....longer hitters do have an advantage, but u still need to be able to hit a great approach shot, have a short game and have some putting skillz.....

DiMarco at the Masters and the PGA Championship last year was a great example of this.

[Shadow]

Each week the winner is still the guy with the least amount of putts combined with greens in regulation. This is true, however, if the penalty is not severe enough for hitting a long drive off line, it is easier to hit a green in regulation from 325 in the rough than it is from 285 from the fairway, so therein lies the problem.

If you recall the The Players Championship, where there was a lot of wind, rain, and long soggy rough to punish off line shots, the leaderboard was filled with shotmakers and the long bombers, Woods, Mickelson and Singh, were nowhere in sight.

The solution is simple. Punish bad shots more severely instead of lengthening courses. Use the USGA's mentality of par being a good score, grow the rough, narrow the fairways, and make the pros hit it where they need to hit it. Many of us would like that but the average golf fan, probably enjoys the birdie barrage and guys swinging out of their shoes, each week. Bring true skill back into the game, and by that I mean ball control, accuracy, pitching and putting, not just driver distance.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Once again Shadow understands what I'm talking about. Theres more to golf than just bombing the ball.

[noback]

Use the USGA's mentality of par being a good score, grow the rough, narrow the fairways, and make the pros hit it where they need to hit it. The majors are tournaments where there are only a few players in the field with red numbers which is what we want to see. The most difficult conditions and not length is the way to go. :cool:
Dont get me wrong here. I like watching the skins game and having them go for eagles and birdies every hole, but who wants that in all PGA events and see those guys shooting 35 under par for 4 days???:(

Shadow.....have you tried Le Sorcier in Gatineau yet? A gem in the making! Shotmaking with all the clubs in your bag with spectacular elevation changes.:D

[openflows]

I think length is over-rated. I much prefer difficult conditions, if not ludicrous conditions. With regard to my own game, I struggle towrads consistency and accuracy rather than distance.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Openflows you'd really enjoy my home course. Paris Grand lends itself well to being far tougher than it needs to be plus being over 7,000 yards.
We have a great early season deal at $35 for 18 holes. The regular season rate is $70. There is a link to Paris Grand from our website for those who want to check it out.

[Mok]

Openflows you'd really enjoy my home course. Paris Grand lends itself well to being far tougher than it needs to be plus being over 7,000 yards.
We have a great early season deal at $35 for 18 holes. The regular season rate is $70. There is a link to Paris Grand from our website for those who want to check it out.
$35 for 18 eh? maybe i'll try that course out before prices go up!

[noback]

We have a great early season deal at $35 for 18 holes. The regular season rate is $70. .This is what good PR and customer appreciation is all about. Hats off to them:D

[Grass Roots Tour]

Who wants to play with us tomorrow, Sunday morning April 24th 8;15 am?

I'll give ya till 6:30pm to let me know

[Shadow]

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Shadow.....have you tried Le Sorcier in Gatineau yet? A gem in the making! Shotmaking with all the clubs in your bag with spectacular elevation changes.:D I had not even heard of it until it was mentioned at the Golf Show. Sounds like my kind of golf course.

I am going to play at Hautes Plaines(another shot makers course) in a QGA qualifier in May, so maybe I will take a run over and walk it and then bring some friends back to play it later.

The shots on the OG website make it look very interseting. Thanks.