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Del Delaplante
Jan 12, 2007, 07:39 PM
I guess every story has two sides, well here's the other side:



There's lots of places that sell used balls. Are they any good?
The following is a recent reprint from GOLF DIGEST on the pros and cons of the reprocessed golf ball. Or, more precisely, the reprocessed water ball.

Here, my friends, is the $64,000 question. Exactly how much life is left in
those golf balls that have been fished out of the water? The cover of a golf
ball seems fairly impervious, so how bad could it be for a ball to sit idly in the water for a few months? Does a ball that's been lying in the mud at the bottom of a pond for 30 days lose distance? Does it gain distance? Does being submerged for a length of time have any effect whatsoever?

Like most golfers, GOLF DIGEST editors recover their fair share of water balls (that's right, we're as cheap as the next guy), and also like most golfers, we wanted to know what we were getting from these somewhat soggy transactions.

Here's how we went about investigating the playability of balls pulled from the water, and keep in mind that the test was not all-inclusive. We used only three-piece, balata-covered balls and two-piece balls with a lithium-Surlyn cover.

Step 1: (a) We took 11 new three-piece balls and 11 new two-piece balls and submerged them in a pond for eight days.
(b) We took another 22 new two- and three-piece balls and submerged them for three months.
(c)Then we took a third batch of 22 new balls and let them sit in the water for six months. The average water temperatures ranged from 36 to 70 degrees Fahrenheit during this period.



Step 2: We recovered the balls last November and tested them using a robotic hitting machine. The golf club used was a standard-length metal driver (9.5-degree loft) with an extra-stiff shaft. Clubhead speed was 93.7 m.p.h., launch angle was 9 degrees and the average spin rate was 2,800 r.p.m.

Step 3: We started testing by hitting 11 new two- and three-piece balls as a benchmark
The average carry and roll for the new three-piece balls was 250.7 yards. These numbers are not the maximum carry and roll for two-and three-piece balls, simply the average carry and roll under our test conditions.

The next stage was to hit the balls that had been retrieved from the water. The average carry and roll for three-piece balls that had been in the water for eight days was 235.7 yards. That distance shrunk to 229.4 yards after three months and to 226.2 yards after six months. The differences? A six yard loss of distance after eight days, a 12-yard loss after three months and a 15-yard loss after six months.

For the two-piece ball, the carry and roll was 250.7 yards for the new two-piece balls and 244.9 yards after eight days in the water. The carry and roll for two-piece balls after three months in the drink was 241.6 yards. The two-piece balls that spent six months under water averaged 242.5 yards. The bottom line is that the two-piece ball came up almost six yards shorter after being submerged for eight days. It lost another 3.3 yards (9.1 total) after three months, yet interestingly enough, after six months in the water, the two-piece ball averaged one yard farther than the ball that had been in the water for three months.

"Golf balls basically have a non-porous cover," says Mike Sullivan, senior director of research and development worldwide for Spalding, maker of Top-Flite golf balls, "but like with any plastic or polymer, they are subject to chemicals passing through them. We
have looked at this in great detail, because we certainly don't want the balls to be affected one way or the other by humidity or wet fairways.

"For a two-piece ball, being in the water typically makes the ball harder in terms of compression, and it also slows down the coefficient of restitution (the ability of the ball to regain its roundness after impact), and that makes it fly shorter. Three-piece balls are the opposite in that they get softer in terms of compression, but they will also fly shorter. We have no data that says water hurts three-piece balls more than two-piece balls, but soft-cover balls are obviously a bit more permeable than hard-cover balls."

Senior executive vice Vanasdale, president for the golf ball division of Sport Supply Group, says "I can honestly say that we have done tests in the tens of thousands utilizing our environments, and I'll tell you this much, your numbers are off. It's all relative to the types of balls, the makes of balls, when the balls were made and the types of composition of the cover stock," says Vanasdale.

The missing link in this equation is that when you scoop a ball from the water, you never know how long that ball has been sitting there. So, the next time you see a little white orb shimmering in the shallows of a nearby pond, remember the adage, all that glitters is not gold.

nearace
Jan 12, 2007, 07:42 PM
if worth more than a toonie new its gold :)

thekathrynorchard
Jan 12, 2007, 07:53 PM
Thats really interesting. To be quite honest with you I've never really thought that much about the ball I was playing. Sure I have my brand and model preferences, and I won't play a ball that looks physically damaged,, but I didn't suspect a ball being in the water would do that much damage or affect a ball so negatively.

PS ~scratch~

xander.uk
Jan 13, 2007, 04:16 AM
its not just the loss of distance!

its impossible to get any consistency in your shots with lake balls.

not only do you lose distance you lose feel/touch and consistent spin.

my advice is leave them in the water or pick them up but sell/pass them on to some1 else!

nearace
Jan 13, 2007, 09:17 AM
its not just the loss of distance!

its impossible to get any consistency in your shots with lake balls.

not only do you lose distance you lose feel/touch and consistent spin.

my advice is leave them in the water or pick them up but sell/pass them on to some1 else!great idea save them for your playing partner .

Grobar
Jan 13, 2007, 07:47 PM
Good point, especially if you are playing for money or beer :D

golf nut
Jan 13, 2007, 07:57 PM
I have noticed that balls played in the simulator go bad after about 5 rounds, I examine balls once in a while and find cracks in them, even after 4 rounds I know a ball starts to deteriorate.

Paul

goshawk
Jan 13, 2007, 11:15 PM
I examine balls once in a while and find cracks in them, even after 4 rounds I know a ball starts to deteriorate.

Paul

Paul, that's why when I finish a round with the same ball, I usually donate it to a pond on the 18th if one's available. Otherwise, it's relegated to the practice bag or my son's golf bag.

nearace
Jan 13, 2007, 11:33 PM
reclaimed balls are big business in fla but not labeled as water balls should they be? also single balls 4 sale at golf courses how many are water balls ?something to think about.thanks

skt07
Jan 14, 2007, 08:36 AM
How old is this article?? They tested 3-piece balata-covered balls! When was the last time you could even find a balata covered ball at the store? (and I'm not talking about those Top Flite Z-balatas at Canadian Tire!)

Carlton
Jan 14, 2007, 10:10 AM
Some manufacturers like Titleist (ProV1 for example) have a cover that turns darker when left in water/moisture for a prolong period. They lose their bright white look so you know that they've been submerged.

Flog
Jan 14, 2007, 10:28 AM
I'd like to see that same test done after the balls were dried for a period of time. I've picked up my fair share of pond balls too, but I've never really grabbed one and finished a round with it when it was still wet. To be honest, the only time I've hit a ball that I just took from the water was to fire it back onto the driving range it came from. I imagine after a drying period the performance would be close to original?

trunckslammer1
Jan 14, 2007, 11:42 AM
The whole of 2006, I have always carried a ball retriever with me when I play. At the course that I was a member, ProV1's were very popular and I usually fish at least 2 a week from the water. I play with them all the time. Maybe they were not in the water for too long but I have never have a problem with them as compared to new ones. I have had as many good scores with them as I have bad scores with my new ones.

xander.uk
Jan 14, 2007, 05:34 PM
well according to all the testing etc on balls - lake balls are inconsistent and thats why you shouldnt use them to play a round of golf.
Obviously its everybodys choice but having a good round and then a poor round is inconsistency (although thats my problem too and i dont use lake balls...lol)

ideally you want to make sure that all your clubs and balls are performing 100% all the time so that you know any bad shots are a result of your swing and not poor equipment.

personally i do keep lake balls i find in a pocket in my bag and if any of my cheapskate friends (they are cheapskates and they certainly can afford to buy balls so dont make excuses for them!) turn up without enough balls i let them have any lake balls i have.
( i do tell them they are lake balls though so they have the choice of using them or buying some out the club shop!)

i have used them myself in the past but have hit shots i thought were good turn out to be bad without any other explanation except the ball being ropey!