$$$Custom Club Fitting$$$

[ondadl]

Now that I have you guys here, I'll first apologize for my luring tactic. This is more of a rant, directed to some of the custom club fitters who frequent the site.

I'd like to say that the constant push of custom fit clubs in most OEM equipment threads in getting rediculous. I'm not singling anyone out, but please let the OEM hos be. Custom fit clubs definitely have their benefits, but professional fitters have been around for years. It's not like this is a whole new service provided to the game, or even the GTA. I think that the majority of our posters are already aware of the custom fit option when posting about OEMs.

When threads require the knowledge of a custom fitter, your expertise is greatly appreciated, as well as many of your daily contributions to this forum. Just please, when I post a thread about an expensive set of Pings, don't chime in and tell me what the same amount of money could get me if I custom fit.

I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other here at all, and I really hope you understand that. The pushiness in some of the threads reminds me of an argument on the TV show Curb Your Enthusiasm. In this case, it's about Christianity, so please take this as lightly as it's intended.
LOBSTER (http://www.thepocket.com/wavs/lobster.mp3)

If noone agrees with me...well that's why they call it a rant afterall:$.

(http://www.thepocket.com/wavs/lobster.mp3)

[TORAIDER]

Perhaps this is a good reason to have a separate Golf Discussion Forum Section dedicated to clubmaking and fitting, etc...:)

Not that the clubmakers should not provide input/personal experiences in other areas of the site, but this would gives them a dedicated part of the site to focus on...

And for me to ask them all my questions, once I take on the task of learning to build my own clubs...:D

Just my 2 cents.

[el tigre]

There seems to be a misconception that clubfitting is the exclusive realm of component sellers and clubmakers.

The fact is that most retailers and major OEM's also offer many of the same customization options as clubmakers - i.e., shaft options, shaft length changes, loft and lie alterations, etc. - but most of their customers don't take advantage of them.

If I lived in the GTA, their is no way I would drop major $$$ on a new set of Callaways without taking advantage of their fitting centre to make sure everything about them was perfect. This isn't a new thing - Ping has been preaching the value of fitting for years.

Custom clubmakers offer more flexibility - they can mix and match club components, do frequency matching, tip trimming, weight alterations, etc. - but they're not the only game in town.

[Louie]

There seems to be a misconception that clubfitting is the exclusive realm of component sellers and clubmakers.

The fact is that most retailers and major OEM's also offer many of the same customization options as clubmakers - i.e., shaft options, shaft length changes, loft and lie alterations, etc. - but most of their customers don't take advantage of them.

If I lived in the GTA, their is no way I would drop major $$$ on a new set of Callaways without taking advantage of their fitting centre to make sure everything about them was perfect. This isn't a new thing - Ping has been preaching the value of fitting for years.

Custom clubmakers offer more flexibility - they can mix and match club components, do frequency matching, tip trimming, weight alterations, etc. - but they're not the only game in town.

MY buddy went to Ping last year and had a set of Ping S59 tour fitted for him
he didnt even last a month with them, before he switched back to his Titleist 690MB's. I think he has sold them but not to sure.

Now I've kinda gone the other way, staying away from being fitted myself because of that. Not saying you shouldn't do it, I'm just scepticle to get fitted.

I have a feeling I'm gonna get killed for what I've just said but that's how I feel at this point.:confused:

[owenmxz600]

:rofl: the next set of irons I get im going to get fitted, at least hear what they have to say. Not saying im going to go with it, but I can't play any worse worth a try

[Fore The Golfer]

MY buddy went to Ping last year and had a set of Ping S59 tour fitted for him
he didnt even last a month with them, before he switched back to his Titleist 690MB's. I think he has sold them but not to sure.

Now I've kinda gone the other way, staying away from being fitted myself because of that. Not saying you shouldn't do it, I'm just scepticle to get fitted.

I have a feeling I'm gonna get killed for what I've just said but that's how I feel at this point.:confused:

Hi Louie.
If I may say....
The benefit of getting custom fit, is to go to a "reputable fitter", not a company that hires some guy to help sell their clubs.
This is not a knock against OEM fitting, this is not a knock against you or your buddy.
What were the fitter's credentials?
He may have been a new employee.
The benefit of a forum like this, is to find a fitter that has a proven track record.

[ondadl]

Hi Louie.
If I may say....
The benefit of getting custom fit, is to go to a "reputable fitter", not a company that hires some guy to help sell their clubs.
This is not a knock against OEM fitting, this is not a knock against you or your buddy.
What were the fitter's credentials?
He may have been a new employee.
The benefit of a forum like this, is to find a fitter that has a proven track record.

I also have a friend who spent over $4000 getting a club fit at Callaway, and had to change his shafts 2 more times over the season. The one benefit is that Callaway replaced them each time free of charge, and gave him a demo set to use in the mean time.

[guitarman]

I also have a friend who spent over $4000 getting a club fit at Callaway, and had to change his shafts 2 more times over the season. The one benefit is that Callaway replaced them each time free of charge, and gave him a demo set to use in the mean time.

4 grand for a fitting? And they had to change shafts twice? Is that what I have to look forward to with my clubs? Even though I bought Callaway I think I may rather have a club fitter look at all of them. But is there a guarntee that the same thing won't happen with a non oem club fitter?

[Pingnut]

4 grand for a fitting? And they had to change shafts twice? Is that what I have to look forward to with my clubs? Even though I bought Callaway I think I may rather have a club fitter look at all of them. But is there a guarntee that the same thing won't happen with a non oem club fitter?

Callaway charges $50 for a fitting - I'm sure the 4 grand was for the sticks.

[dekker]

4 grand for a fitting? And they had to change shafts twice? Is that what I have to look forward to with my clubs? Even though I bought Callaway I think I may rather have a club fitter look at all of them. But is there a guarntee that the same thing won't happen with a non oem club fitter?

I think that ondadl likely meant his friend spent $4,000 on Callaway equipment,that was being fit.
Both Ping and Callaway by all acounts have capable staff on hand that do the fitting and I can't imagine they would have a "dude" doing the fitting.
Then again,some swings can't be fit either,by anybody.

[ondadl]

4 grand for a fitting? And they had to change shafts twice? Is that what I have to look forward to with my clubs? Even though I bought Callaway I think I may rather have a club fitter look at all of them. But is there a guarntee that the same thing won't happen with a non oem club fitter?

Four grand included a set of Fusions, an FT-3 driver, 2 Fusion woods, a hybrid, two x-tour wedges, and a leather cart bag. It's more likely with him that his swing changed, as he's a mid handicapper and began taking lessons for the first time after the club purchase. This is the reason why club fitting makes the most sense to better players, who don't make major swing changes too often, and can afford another fitting whenever they do. Personally, as a higher handicapper, I'm going to spend my money on lessons before I have someone build me a set from the ground up. For me, a virtual fitting on the Ping website is good enough for me in the mean time.

Although this is my current opinion, and I'm responding to your post, it has very little to do with my original post. Maybe the last few comments should be moved to a new thread?

[danscustomgolfshop]

I'm a little unsure of how to approach this, but here we go.

A first rate Professional Custom fitter/builder is someone who has taken the time to study all aspects of this gentlemans game. He or she have attended lectures by qualified Professionals, attended classes taught by Masters of their art, wrote extensive exams, built clubs for certification, paid for extensive research, traveled hundreds of miles to spend 8 hours with legends of our game, bought high quality equipment, upgrading their shop so everthing is complete.

Taking time to research the customers swing, how he loads a shaft, when he releases that shaft, is he quick at the top, do they only half load a shaft - all for the single purpose of finding that right mix.

Then he or she takes the time to go over a variety of clubheads, with playability, that suits that individuals needs. Maybe its a fully forged set as that individual needs the lie angles set flat to a degree that cannot be reached with a cast club. Maybe he is looking for tons of playabilty because he can't get that ball off the ground with anything longer than a 6 iron. The fitter recommends that maybe we need to put some hybrids into the mix, rather than those hard to hit fairway woods.

Then the fitter reviews grip size, not just from a chart, but with real grips that allow that individual to feel what this size is truly like - Grip size is a very personal thing. Maybe we need to upsize due to the arthritic condition in her tiny hands.

A good Custom fitter will detemine that the 45.5 inch driver with 9 degrees of lie, 1 degree open faced isn't going to help that vicious slice that has haunted the golfer for 30 years.

Maybe that label that say's 'Stiff' on it really is a Senior flex, so time will be needed to educate the customer, that no standard exist, and only through shaft research will we be able to match shafts for flex, frequency, spine aligned - tuned so each shaft flo's perfectly.

Time will be spent sorting shafts, grips by weight, putting them in a stable order to get the most out of that shaft. Did you know that just realigning a shaft can chage flexes (in some cases) by over 2 full flexes.

We haven't even began to consider what length and lie will suit that individual yet. Maybe a trip to the driving range to watch actual ball flight, test lengths that suit your wrist to floor, consider how you hold your hands - are you a natural golfer that will need longer shafts, with non tapered grips?

And we haven't even started to build a thing.

There is a reason why that person is a Certified Club fitter, Cerified assembly and repair tech., Certified Master, GCA Advanced Professional, Certified by Rifle for Frequency Matching. Maybe that individual has so much passion that they Trademarked a Fitting / Assembly system, - an alternative to the traditional 1/2 inch increment that puts every grip in the perfect hand position for the individual, for every club in the bag. Lengths still vary but are set to a perfect math model of that individual. Wouldn't that be something.

It is because that person obviously has a passion for helping others obtain the best possible set of clubs available, that will fit that individual to a tee.

There are poor Fitters in some OEM stores, and some Custom Shops.
There are good Fitters in some OEM stores and some Custom Shops.
Then there are the few, that do this for a reason. Have taken the time to work diligently to perfect their craft and Yes, again -
There are excelent Fitters in some OEM stores, and some Custom Shops.
My point being that just because this is 'his or her' full time job doesn't mean they have passion for their craft.
They may not be the best. You have to search out the cream of the crop.
The trick is to find the ones with education and passion, as these are the few that I trust. They are the ones to seek out
I'll leave it up to you guys what direction will help your game best.

Oh ya
Buy a set of irons off Ebay for $600?, I bet they will be up to this Professionals standards??? I recommend holding, feeling, inspecting the clubs before handing out good solid cash. I just hope they are not clones, because they could be.

I'm going to spend my money on lessons before I have someone build me a set from the ground up.

Unfortunately what happens with this scenerio is you spend money to learn habits that are the result of ill fitted clubs. Things like casting your hands at the top, stuffing that long iron into the ground or skulling the wedge because its too short. The on line fitting is not a fitting - it is a best guess. If your lie is out 1 degree with a wedge, from 100 yards you will miss the target by 22 feet. Or at least the robot did.
Food for thought, and with all due respect

[Fore The Golfer]

I also have a friend who spent over $4000 getting a club fit at Callaway, and had to change his shafts 2 more times over the season. The one benefit is that Callaway replaced them each time free of charge, and gave him a demo set to use in the mean time.

I think you should read my post again.....:confused:
The point was that these guys went to a "company", not a fitter.
Not to say that these companies don't have qualified fitters.
You might just want to be sure that the fitter you get, is in fact GOOD at his job!
My point was to find a fitter based on recommendation of someone you trust. Someone who's game improved because of the fitter.

[guitarman]

One question I have, when you go to a fitter does it really make a difference whether you have the fitter build the clubs or you bring OEM clubs that you have purchased to the fitter to alter? The more I read these posts the more I get confused. I have already spent alot of money on my OEM clubs so I'm not about to give them up for custom clubs. I would, however like to have them fit me and my swing as accurate as possible.

[Louie]

I think you should read my post again.....:confused:
The point was that these guys went to a "company", not a fitter.
Not to say that these companies don't have qualified fitters.
You might just want to be sure that the fitter you get, is in fact GOOD at his job!
My point was to find a fitter based on recommendation of someone you trust. Someone who's game improved because of the fitter.

I agree but who's to say he's not a qualified fitter. I can't believe that Ping,Callaway or any other oem company would hire a non qualified fitter to fit customers properly.

My point I was trying to make was I don't feel comfortable with get fitted,because I have an idea of what I need. I also am not bashing anyone who chooses to be fitted. Just saying it's not for me.

I don't want to offend anybody, cause everyone has a right to believe what they want. I'm just stated my 2 cents for what it's worth.:hush: Peace

[nearace]

One question I have, when you go to a fitter does it really make a difference whether you have the fitter build the clubs or you bring OEM clubs that you have purchased to the fitter to alter? The more I read these posts the more I get confused. I have already spent alot of money on my OEM clubs so I'm not about to give them up for custom clubs. I would, however like to have them fit me and my swing as accurate as possible.got fitted today at for the golfer i took two sets of clubs one of which jeff is rebuilding new shafts new grips adding one inch in length and double wrap on the grips. bring what u have i am sure that jeff will help you with whatever you need.

[ondadl]

I think you should read my post again.....:confused:
The point was that these guys went to a "company", not a fitter.
Not to say that these companies don't have qualified fitters.
You might just want to be sure that the fitter you get, is in fact GOOD at his job!
My point was to find a fitter based on recommendation of someone you trust. Someone who's game improved because of the fitter.

Many people that I know have been fitted by Callaway, and have been extremely pleased. I don't know their fitters personally, but as Dekker said, I think a Callaway fitter would need some qualifications to hold their position for a company known to have the best service in the game. My comment was about the service to a displeased customer. If you had the same complaints from a customer, could you provide them with different new sets of shafts twice, as well as giving them a loaner, all at no extra cost?


Unfortunately what happens with this scenerio is you spend money to learn habits that are the result of ill fitted clubs. Things like casting your hands at the top, stuffing that long iron into the ground or skulling the wedge because its too short. The on line fitting is not a fitting - it is a best guess. If your lie is out 1 degree with a wedge, from 100 yards you will miss the target by 22 feet. Or at least the robot did.
Food for thought, and with all due respect


Okay, this this not the reason I posted in the first place!!!!!

Let's say you fit me. Everything is great with my swing, the clubs, and your robot. A match made in heaven.

Now I go and take a lessons. First lesson, I learn that I'm not using the proper grip to release the club. Second lesson, I learn that my feet are too close together and my knees aren't bent enough. Third lesson, I learn that I'm not extending my arms through impact. How many feet is your robot going to have me missing the target by now?

[danscustomgolfshop]

Ondadl,
It sounds like you have had some lessons, so you have ideas from your pro what you to focus on.
Now if you take a lesson with a properly fit set where the clubs are physically set to your stature and swing preferences then you have reduced the odds of playing poorly.
Your teacher can again make small swing corrections that again will help sharpen the mental part of your game, resulting in the possibility of improvement.

My honest belief is - the clubs need to fit the golfer.
Tigers Dad was one of those guys that always made sure the clubs were fit properly. We all know how that turned out.
Now Tiger still takes training from his swing coach, to fine tune those little things that he himself can't detect. All done with a set that is fit properly.
Yes there is always a chance that things may need to be reviewed.
Sorry but I was not trying to say that the robot was mine.
This was testing done by Ralph Maltby and his crew. I respect Ralphs opinion highly. Lie angle does manipulate ball flight especially in the lofted irons.

One question I have, when you go to a fitter does it really make a difference whether you have the fitter build the clubs or you bring OEM clubs that you have purchased to the fitter to alter? The more I read these posts the more I get confused. I have already spent alot of money on my OEM clubs so I'm not about to give them up for custom clubs. I would, however like to have them fit me and my swing as accurate as possible.

Pretty much any quality set can be fine tuned to the users preferences. There are many different levels of alteration that can be reviewed and corrected.
A full blown rebuild can be necessary if flexes and lengths are completely out of wack.
or
A slight alteration of clubhead loft and lie, modifying the length if needed (there is limits).
Grip size should be reviewed and if the builder has a compressor and you grips are in good shape they can be blown off and reused - this again can save money.

All in all, a retrofit set can and will help reduce tolerances, making your set more matched to you - and you alone.
Two identically statured people can play 2 completely different sets, each tuned to themselves, and both play their own game well.
I love watching a ball fly straight.

[ondadl]

Never had a lesson, as many TGNers can attest to:rofl: . Hopefully this year, if I can get over not playing the 10 rounds it'll cost me for lessons.

[The Bun]

I went to Oakville last saturday to get fitted for two Kzg wedges. This fitter is touted to be one of the top 100 in the world. I figure i can't go wrong with this deal. Well this is how it went down. Got there and he gave me some excuse that his help called in sick, (I drove down from Goderich 2 hrs). He had the heads I ordered in a bag. He had told me I'd be able to hit the wedges but when I got there all he had was a 60* and he was concerned that I would mark it so taped it all up. He watched me hit four shots and said I should have my wedges bent 1* upright without even hitting off a lie board. I mentioned it and so we did that and then he decided to leave them standard. I should say that I currently play my irons 1* flat. He took my money and said he'd ship the clubs on Monday. I just called today and he said he just put them in the mail. This whole fitting took about four minutes as he also had a lesson booked. He did say that if they needed to be "tweeked' I could drive down and he fix them. Ya like thats gonna happen. Now I'm not saying all fittings are like this but I can identify with the frustrations of some of the people on this forum when they are skeptical about spending money to be fitted. From what I'm reading it seems I made the wrong choice and should of went to see Jeff.

-Bun-:confused:

[el tigre]

One question I have, when you go to a fitter does it really make a difference whether you have the fitter build the clubs or you bring OEM clubs that you have purchased to the fitter to alter? Yes, you can bring your OEM clubs to a good fitter.

He can at least check things like shaft length, lie angle, grip size, loft/bounce angles on wedges, etc., which are very inexpensive alterations. While the OEM shafts may not be optimal for your swing, that doesn't mean you need to change them and/or pay for an expensive re-shaft on every club in your bag.

OTOH if the shafts were totally inappropriate for you, you might be better off getting rid of your nearly-new set now and starting over. In any case, the knowledge you gain is usually worth the price.

[nearace]

I went to Oakville last saturday to get fitted for two Kzg wedges. This fitter is touted to be one of the top 100 in the world. I figure i can't go wrong with this deal. Well this is how it went down. Got there and he gave me some excuse that his help called in sick, (I drove down from Goderich 2 hrs). He had the heads I ordered in a bag. He had told me I'd be able to hit the wedges but when I got there all he had was a 60* and he was concerned that I would mark it so taped it all up. He watched me hit four shots and said I should have my wedges bent 1* upright without even hitting off a lie board. I mentioned it and so we did that and then he decided to leave them standard. I should say that I currently play my irons 1* flat. He took my money and said he'd ship the clubs on Monday. I just called today and he said he just put them in the mail. This whole fitting took about four minutes as he also had a lesson booked. He did say that if they needed to be "tweeked' I could drive down and he fix them. Ya like thats gonna happen. Now I'm not saying all fittings are like this but I can identify with the frustrations of some of the people on this forum when they are skeptical about spending money to be fitted. From what I'm reading it seems I made the wrong choice and should of went to see Jeff.

-Bun-:confused:got fitted on thursday took two sets of clubs to have fitted by jeff at for the golfer after hitting balls with his test clubs and measuring swing speed we chose witch shaft then hit off the board to get more info then off to choose grips,irons measured for length, well i feel everything done was done in a professional manner by a pro in a professional enviorment not in a basement or garage.just a good experience as this was my first time being fitted. thanks

[Louie]

got fitted on thursday took two sets of clubs to have fitted by jeff at for the golfer after hitting balls with his test clubs and measuring swing speed we chose witch shaft then hit off the board to get more info then off to choose grips,irons measured for length, well i feel everything done was done in a professional manner by a pro in a professional enviorment not in a basement or garage.just a good experience as this was my first time being fitted. thanks

Nearace, not that I need to speak for Bun, or you are saying he went to a basement to get fitted for his wedges this guy has built clubs for Bruce Litzke and other pros alike. I was there and felt Bun was rushed to get done. This guy like Bun said is supposed to be in the top 100 fitters in the world, I would think he'd be a little more professional than that. I think the guy in Oakville has lost his passion to fit people properly.

[Pingnut]

Nearace, not that I need to speak for Bun, or you are saying he went to a basement to get fitted for his wedges this guy has built clubs for Bruce Litzke and other pros alike. I was there and felt Bun was rushed to get done. This guy like Bun said is supposed to be in the top 100 fitters in the world, I would think he'd be a little more professional than that. I think the guy in Oakville has lost his passion to fit people properly.

They talk a good game there... I wasn't impressed with the one job they did for me.
Where did you here about the top 100 fitter stuff?

edit - found it.

KZG, the #1 Custom ProLine, proudly announces the World's Top 100 Club Fitters for 2006.
http://www.golfbusinesswire.com/2006_articles/103801

[The Bun]

They talk a good game there... I wasn't impressed with the one job they did for me.
Where did you here about the top 100 fitter stuff?

Its in they're advertizing. If you go to the Kzg website and klick on dealers then put your postal code in they pop right up.

-Bun-

[Pingnut]

Did they charge you a fitting fee Bun - or just the cost of the wedges?

[danscustomgolfshop]

Heres a neet little tidbit I got from the Wishon site.
It is written by Tom


I am probably going to sound like a broken record on this, but I think one very strong reason that the average golfer handicap has not changed in 50 yrs has to do with the fact that the vast, vast majority of golfers have always bought their clubs in standard form, off the rack with NO heed for any aspect of custom fitting to THEIR swing and manner of play. I'd be willing to make a bet that if somehow we could pass a magic wand over say, even just 1/3 of all golfers to have them custom fit by a GOOD clubmaker, you would see the avg handicap move down.

I do believe that - even though I also freely admit that most golfers are 1) not that athletically inclined, 2) do not receive accurate instruction on the swing, 3) do not take the time to really work on the right changes to improve their swing.

TOM


I thought this applied to both sides of this debate.

[nearace]

Nearace, not that I need to speak for Bun, or you are saying he went to a basement to get fitted for his wedges this guy has built clubs for Bruce Litzke and other pros alike. I was there and felt Bun was rushed to get done. This guy like Bun said is supposed to be in the top 100 fitters in the world, I would think he'd be a little more professional than that. I think the guy in Oakville has lost his passion to fit people properly.what i meant was if you go to a reputable fitter you should be treated right but if you go to a golf hobbiest you get just that . my post said nothing about this fitter being bad please read post again as it seems this fitter was refered.

[Louie]

what i meant was if you go to a reputable fitter you should be treated right but if you go to a golf hobbiest you get just that . my post said nothing about this fitter being bad please read post again as it seems this fitter was refered.

My bad, I thought you meant this was done by a basement hobbiest.:)

[nearace]

My bad, I thought you meant this was done by a basement hobbiest.:)after i compose a post i now tend to read it back as i dont want to offend anyone but u can be treated poorly by the best people if they have problems at work or family just a shame the travel is so long as a return visit would be in order.thanks

[Louie]

after i compose a post i now tend to read it back as i dont want to offend anyone but u can be treated poorly by the best people if they have problems at work or family just a shame the travel is so long as a return visit would be in order.thanks

I know what you are saying and you are 100 % correct. I know that the guy in Oakville will never see my business but I think I would have to say after careful consideration I would take my clubs to Jeff.:)

[nearace]

I know what you are saying and you are 100 % correct. I know that the guy in Oakville will never see my business but I think I would have to say after careful consideration I would take my clubs to Jeff.:)i met jeff before he did my fitting and felt comfortable with his personality and his ability this made the decision where to spend my hard earned dollars easier to swallow.and have confidence i will (pray to god) play a better game with the fitted clubs.lol:)

[The Bun]

Did they charge you a fitting fee Bun - or just the cost of the wedges?

Actually he had given me a price of $149 per stick including the fitting. Looks like everythings gonna work out fine as one of the wellknown members here is going to introduce me to his guy who he trusts fully.:) I'll let you guys know how it goes afterward.

-Bun- :hyper::hyper::hyper:

[nearace]

Actually he had given me a price of $149 per stick including the fitting. Looks like everythings gonna work out fine as one of the wellknown members here is going to introduce me to his guy who he trusts fully.:) I'll let you guys know how it goes afterward.

-Bun- :hyper::hyper::hyper:this is a terrible thing to happen to anyone hope things work out keep us informed .howie

[TourIQ]

My bad, I thought you meant this was done by a basement hobbiest.:)
Hi Louie

Don't equate every basement or garage hobbiest as a 'cut and glue' job.
Some of the highest quality comes from hobbiest's who have a small shop.
They don't do it as their primary source of income. They are part-timers.
Many have BETTER equipment than do the big box retailers who do club work.

[Louie]

Hi Louie

Don't equate every basement or garage hobbiest as a 'cut and glue' job.
Some of the highest quality comes from hobbiest's who have a small shop.
They don't do it as their primary source of income. They are part-timers.
Many have BETTER equipment than do the big box retailers who do club work.

I know you do awsome work Harry, I've seen first hand.:)

[Samick]

I went to Oakville last saturday to get fitted for two Kzg wedges. This fitter is touted to be one of the top 100 in the world. I figure i can't go wrong with this deal. Well this is how it went down. Got there and he gave me some excuse that his help called in sick, (I drove down from Goderich 2 hrs). He had the heads I ordered in a bag. He had told me I'd be able to hit the wedges but when I got there all he had was a 60* and he was concerned that I would mark it so taped it all up. He watched me hit four shots and said I should have my wedges bent 1* upright without even hitting off a lie board. I mentioned it and so we did that and then he decided to leave them standard. I should say that I currently play my irons 1* flat. He took my money and said he'd ship the clubs on Monday. I just called today and he said he just put them in the mail. This whole fitting took about four minutes as he also had a lesson booked. He did say that if they needed to be "tweeked' I could drive down and he fix them. Ya like thats gonna happen. Now I'm not saying all fittings are like this but I can identify with the frustrations of some of the people on this forum when they are skeptical about spending money to be fitted. From what I'm reading it seems I made the wrong choice and should of went to see Jeff.

-Bun-:confused:

Curious to know which "guy" you seen in Oakville (feel free to PM me instead of listing the guy publicly). I have been there, and personally there are two of the three guys I would deal with. Considering they have built clubs for a few professionals (Moe Norman for one), I would say their cridentials are pretty good....now....whether or not they have lost their passion as somebody else has said...thats another thing. I havent been there in a while either, so I could be wrong on all accounts....

Did you make an appointment to get your wedges done, or did you just drop by? Wierd that he would "double book" with a lesson.

[The Bun]

Curious to know which "guy" you seen in Oakville (feel free to PM me instead of listing the guy publicly). I have been there, and personally there are two of the three guys I would deal with. Considering they have built clubs for a few professionals (Moe Norman for one), I would say their cridentials are pretty good....now....whether or not they have lost their passion as somebody else has said...thats another thing. I havent been there in a while either, so I could be wrong on all accounts....

Did you make an appointment to get your wedges done, or did you just drop by? Wierd that he would "double book" with a lesson.

I sent you a pm samick. About all I have to say publicly is that I'm sure I would have recieved alot better treatment if I were a proffessional. Thats the part that pi**es me off.:mad: Still waiting for the wedges.:confused:

-Bun-

[danscustomgolfshop]

The booking had to be a mistake, (an honest mistake I hope). Still rushing through with you is no excuse. You were still there on time for your appointment, and he should have respected that.
Oh well, I hope the wedges work out for you.

[nearace]

got fitted today at for the golfer i took two sets of clubs one of which jeff is rebuilding new shafts new grips adding one inch in length and double wrap on the grips. bring what u have i am sure that jeff will help you with whatever you need.finally got to use my newly fitted sticks,in the snow felt great thanks to Fore The Golfer (jeff) very happy with the results great guy fun to work with would like to thank him for a great fitting experience.

[TORAIDER]

Glad to hear you had a good fitting experience. He built some sticks for me that I am quite happy with as well...

[hannah]

Well said, I have often gone into places like GT. and watched people pick up a driver or 2, swing them and said III take it!!. sales person brings them to the cash and says take care. This person just spent 3-$500 on a stick he's hoping to smack down the middle of the fairway, there was no interview no asking questions, nothing from the sales person, not even wathing the guy swing the club because half the time they are too busy with other customers. he did ask what H/Cap he was, this poor guy leaves the store to start a journey with his new club and will not have any idea why he's missing the fairway all over the place, his swing, shaft, flex, everything a good clubfitter will take the time to study, this is not to say most of these sales people don't try to help and have a true passion for the game but I think the level of attention you will get from a true clubfitter is so much more differant than a big box store. I sarted to go to Gord at McMahon golf 14-15 years ago and developed a great friendship with him and Mike that not once did I feel I was being upsold or given bad advice. Every one is doing there best to be helpful but I appriciate some one that takes the time to find out whats the best for myself according to my ability. Dosn't eveyone have the right to there 2 cents on this site, clubfitter, OEM, whether if it's appriciated or not, some of us might not agree with each other's thoughts but we are all here to help each other save some strokes and have some fun trying. just my 2 cents.

[kimo62]

After reading through the posts here I noticed a few guys talking about going to qualified fitters..........I've met a few people that were"QUALIFIED" at their respective jobs. The fact that they are "QUALIFIED" in no way means that they are good.Some guys are good at studying so they get qualified but
some guys are good at working hands on.......doesn't that make them qualified as well.

All I'm saying is that all the certificates in the world don't make you "qualified" in my books......sure ,it helps but......I'd rather a guy that does great work with no papers than I guy the just does work with papers.

My 2 cents.


Ryan

[nearace]

After reading through the posts here I noticed a few guys talking about going to qualified fitters..........I've met a few people that were"QUALIFIED" at their respective jobs. The fact that they are "QUALIFIED" in no way means that they are good.Some guys are good at studying so they get qualified but
some guys are good at working hands on.......doesn't that make them qualified as well.

All I'm saying is that all the certificates in the world don't make you "qualified" in my books......sure ,it helps but......I'd rather a guy that does great work with no papers than I guy the just does work with papers.

My 2 cents.


Ryanno papers , not on my money, imo