How I'll remember Mats....

[962B]

Like most Leaf fans, I really like Mats Sundin. Eventually he'll retire and I already know how I'll remember him. He's one heck of a back checker. Mats could say screw defence - I'm a play maker - but he doesn't. He backchecks as hard as anyone on the team and trys to lead by example. I'll go out on a limb and say that there's never been a star Leaf that has backchecked better than Mats and Dave Keon.

That's how I'll remember Sundin, head down, trying to get back into the play after a Leaf turn over.

[rotator]

Through his career, instead of shooting first, he looked to give the puck to his team mates, so they could score. He should have been more selfish and taken more shots on the net himself. Since last year, he has finally taken the shot. He could have scored another 50 or more goals in his career, if he was selfish, and that would have made a difference in some games. That's the way he is. You can see the genuine pleasure when his lesser skilled linemates get an easy goal, from his set-up.

There are times, you get exaspirated with him, but how can you get PO'd with a person with those values.

[Leftygolfer30]

Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.

[guitarman]

Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.

I hate to say you don't know what your talking about but your statement speaks for it self. How many great players have been in the game that have been saddled with poor teams or poor management. If Sundin could have won a cup with this team, he would have had to do it all him self. He's great but he's not magical.

[The Bun]

Like most Leaf fans, I really like Mats Sundin. Eventually he'll retire and I already know how I'll remember him. He's one heck of a back checker. Mats could say screw defence - I'm a play maker - but he doesn't. He backchecks as hard as anyone on the team and trys to lead by example. I'll go out on a limb and say that there's never been a star Leaf that has backchecked better than Mats and Dave Keon.

That's how I'll remember Sundin, head down, trying to get back into the play after a Leaf turn over.
Although I do think both Mats Sundin and Dave Keon are and were great players I would have to put Doug Gilmour ahead of both of them when it comes to defensive play. I believe it was in 1993 that not only did Gilmour have over 100 points. led his team to the semi-finals and won the selke trophy for the best defensive forward. I heard an interesting comment today on OTR, when it was said a true leaf leader would bleed BLUE. I've seen that with Gilmour, Clark and Sittler but I'm afraid Mats best games have come when he's played for his Country...and nobody can blame him for that. Still hes a great player.

-Bun-

[Leftygolfer30]

The previous two statements were about Sundin. I simply stated my opinion about Sundin which just so happened to be contrary to the previous two. Let me guess, you think Harold Ballard was a "great" owner?

Why is it that so many Leaf fans can't be critical of the players on the team? It's pretty short sighted to think that Sundin and the other Leafs are so great yet they're going to be lucky to make the playoffs this year. And, even if they are lucky enough to scratch their way into the playoffs, they won't make it past the first round...

[962B]

Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.

Nobody mentioned Stanley Cups. The original topic was back checking. I didn't even say he was my favourite Leaf. I just like the way the guy back checks, nothing more nothing less.

If you want to discuss superstars, please look @ the Fantasy Hockey thread with the best team ever a few spaces down.

The previous two statements were about Sundin. I simply stated my opinion about Sundin which just so happened to be contrary to the previous two. Let me guess, you think Harold Ballard was a "great" owner?

Why is it that so many Leaf fans can't be critical of the players on the team? It's pretty short sighted to think that Sundin and the other Leafs are so great yet they're going to be lucky to make the playoffs this year. And, even if they are lucky enough to scratch their way into the playoffs, they won't make it past the first round...

I suppose Marcel Dionne sucked too. How many Cups did he win in L.A.?

[golfinseb]

Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.

Just another hater of the 1st ever European 1st overal pick in the draft. This guy was slated to be a superstar and he is. No shame in that.

One big thing I will remember Sundin for his commitment to the team and to his role as captain and a leader. He has enough talent to play on any team, and there is no team out there that would say no to him. Yet he chooses to play for the Leafs and he works hard every night. He still has a few years left in his career so I will reserve my judegment of the best memory of him until he retires.

I agree he is one of the better two way players and certainly shows alot of hustle. I personally agree that Gilmour is the better back checker. Gilmour was pure heart, and grit. Sundin is size, strength and finese. I say he hustles, and is effective because he is so gifted, he has alot of heart, but he is not really the same player as Dougy. That being said Sundin is my favourite Leaf player of all time (keep in mind I am young so my player pool is limited).

I think Leafs fans are highly critical of the Leafs players. Honestly though, which Leafs fan is going to start a thread about how bad Leafs players are? It's not really something fans do.

[guitarman]

The previous two statements were about Sundin. I simply stated my opinion about Sundin which just so happened to be contrary to the previous two. Let me guess, you think Harold Ballard was a "great" owner?

Why is it that so many Leaf fans can't be critical of the players on the team? It's pretty short sighted to think that Sundin and the other Leafs are so great yet they're going to be lucky to make the playoffs this year. And, even if they are lucky enough to scratch their way into the playoffs, they won't make it past the first round...

It doesn't really come down to whether its a leaf player or not. I simply stated (my opinion by the way) that it was an uninformed (ignorant) statemnet. Look at Borque with the Boston Bruins. Superstar defense. How many cups did he win? 1 but not with the bruins. Sundin could easily win a cup with the right team. To gauge his ability by how many cups he's won is silly.

[mojo26]

Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.

EASY on the leaf bashing...sensitive crowd:D

[owenmxz600]

http://finance.sauder.ubc.ca/~colpitts/leafs_suck.jpg

[The Bun]

http://finance.sauder.ubc.ca/%7Ecolpitts/leafs_suck.jpg
We'll have to excuse Owen, He suffering from"The I love the Boston Bruins" sickness. I hear its incurable and that a slow and painful life filled with empty promises, missed opportunities and whining are in store for them.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

-Bun- :beer::owned:

[guitarman]

EASY on the leaf bashing...sensitive crowd:D

Your new here. How long have you been a leafs fan:D

[962B]

http://finance.sauder.ubc.ca/~colpitts/leafs_suck.jpg

This is living proof that my thread could as easily have been "ACC popcorn a little salty" or "Is the blue line REALLY blue?" and someone would have turned it into their own little 'I hate the Leafs' project.

[guitarman]

This is living proof that my thread could as easily have been "ACC popcorn a little salty" or "Is the blue line REALLY blue?" and someone would have turned it into their own little 'I hate the Leafs' project.

yeah its a fact of life that certain people prove time and time again that they simply have nothing intelligent to contribute. Although I post at the ottawa golf forum there is not one post from me over there stating how the Sens suck or I hate the Sens.

[owenmxz600]

Just stating the facts:rofl: Don't take it personal

[Louie]

I agree with Owen.

[davevandyk]

http://finance.sauder.ubc.ca/%7Ecolpitts/leafs_suck.jpg

that's beautiful

[guitarman]

Just stating the facts:rofl: Don't take it personal

Hey, why would I take it personal. Your the one with no ability to contribute something intelligent.:D
The thread had nothing to do with the leafs. It was about Mats Sundin. So your way off topic. Your comments would suit better in the "Where are all the Leaf fans this year???" thread.:)
And as far as stating the facts, yes you are correct. But why do you waste your time stating the obvious. Kind of redundant don't you think?:rofl:

Like most Leaf fans, I really like Mats Sundin. Eventually he'll retire and I already know how I'll remember him. He's one heck of a back checker. Mats could say screw defence - I'm a play maker - but he doesn't. He backchecks as hard as anyone on the team and trys to lead by example. I'll go out on a limb and say that there's never been a star Leaf that has backchecked better than Mats and Dave Keon.

That's how I'll remember Sundin, head down, trying to get back into the play after a Leaf turn over.

This year I've loved watching Sundin around the net handling the puck. He's almost impossible to knock off the puck when he turns his back.

[davevandyk]

Through his career, instead of shooting first, he looked to give the puck to his team mates, so they could score. He should have been more selfish and taken more shots on the net himself. Since last year, he has finally taken the shot. He could have scored another 50 or more goals in his career, if he was selfish, and that would have made a difference in some games. That's the way he is. You can see the genuine pleasure when his lesser skilled linemates get an easy goal, from his set-up.

There are times, you get exaspirated with him, but how can you get PO'd with a person with those values.

If you are saying he could have scored at least another 50 goals if he would have shot more, than isn't it selfish of him not to shoot? I would consider something selfish if by not doing it, it hurts the team. If those 50times he passed to Stajan or Steen, then the chances of scoring are less than if he would have kept it. Same goes for my boy Spezza, i think it helps the team a lot more when the top skilled player shoots, rather than looking for the perfect pass.

[owenmxz600]

Hey, why would I take it personal. Your the one with no ability to contribute something intelligent.:D
The thread had nothing to do with the leafs. It was about Mats Sundin. So your way off topic. Your comments would suit better in the "Where are all the Leaf fans this year???" thread.:)
And as far as stating the facts, yes you are correct. But why do you waste your time stating the obvious. Kind of redundant don't you think?:rofl:



This year I've loved watching Sundin around the net handling the puck. He's almost impossible to knock off the puck when he turns his back.

Well when I saw Originally Posted by Leftygolfer30
Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.


I thought id drop the leaf bomb, Mats Sundin IS the leafs....

[guitarman]

Well when I saw Originally Posted by Leftygolfer30
Are you guys kidding?

How many Cups have the Leafs won with Sundin? That's right 0. And their playoff record with Sundin isn't anything to be proud of.

Honestly, Sundin has to be one of the most over-rated players to ever wear a Leaf jersey.


I thought id drop the leaf bomb, Mats Sundin IS the leafs....

I wish that were true. Because if it was then the leafs wouldn't suck. Since its physically impossible for Sundin to be on the ice for 60 minutes straight its a fact that Sundin is a part of the leafs ( a good part) and not the leafs.
If you are to say it in a figurative way referring to the impact that he has on the team, then I would have to go with saying that Paul Maurice IS the leafs this year. His effect on the team is far more of an impact.

[Leftygolfer30]

You know what, forget I ever said anything.

Sundin is the greatest hockey player to ever wear a Leaf jersey. I don't know I could have said anything bad about the almighty Mats.

Please forgive me.

[InnerGolf]

OK, 3 thoughts:

1. Sundin is a great end to end player on a bad team.
2. The Leafs have not excelled in the playoffs with him leading them (or anyone else in my lifetime for that matter - except maybe Dougie G) which is not necessarily (or even mainly) his fault.
3. With all that ineptitude and frustration ... he must be a HELL OF A GOLFER!

See you knew there was a golf angle to this thread somewhere!