I'll just drop one...

[962B]

When you tee off and your ball is obviously o.b., don't walk for 250 yards to the treeline, take a quick look, and then say "I'll just drop one." Many golfers do this and then count their next shot as their third. :nono:

Their third shot should have been played from the tee.:help: It would initially be considered a provisional ball, but when ball #1 is determined lost, ball #2 is in play. Three from the tee = four from 250 yards out. Many people "shave" off that stroke and assume they've penalized themselves correctly. :cool:

Just a thought.

[boss of the moss]

Can't get involved in another rules debate. Your right three off the tee is the correct play for a ball going OB. Or declaring a provisional in case it maybe out.

[el tigre]

Three from the tee = four from 250 yards out. Many people "shave" off that stroke and assume they've penalized themselves correctly. :cool:
Just so you don't confuse people, playing a "provisional" or playing another ball from the tee are your ONLY options.

Even if you didn't "shave" off that stroke and you drop one counting your next shot as your fourth, you still haven't penalized yourself correctly. Who's to say you wouldn't have hit your "provisional" in the woods, or topped it only 100 yards, or put it in the fairway bunker, or whatever.

[962B]

Just so you don't confuse people, playing a "provisional" or playing another ball from the tee are your ONLY options.

Even if you didn't "shave" off that stroke and you drop one counting your next shot as your fourth, you still haven't penalized yourself correctly. Who's to say you wouldn't have hit your "provisional" in the woods, or topped it only 100 yards, or put it in the fairway bunker, or whatever.
I realize that you could hit five or ten in a row o.b., I just didn't go into that much detail. Thanks for the clarification.

[wigler]

In a regular round of golf, I will just 'drop one' if I have not hit a provisional (which I normally do if I think the ball is in trouble). For handicap purposes, I will automatically give myself a double boagy which is the most I can score on a hole with a slope index pf 3.9. Double bogie even if I hole the next shot.

Of course, in a tournament, back to the tee if a provisional has not been played.

[Greywolf]

When you tee off and your ball is obviously o.b., don't walk for 250 yards to the treeline, take a quick look, and then say "I'll just drop one." Many golfers do this and then count their next shot as their third. :nono:

Their third shot should have been played from the tee.:help: It would initially be considered a provisional ball, but when ball #1 is determined lost, ball #2 is in play. Three from the tee = four from 250 yards out. Many people "shave" off that stroke and assume they've penalized themselves correctly. :cool:

Just a thought.
I know 2 people who do that, they both like to compare scores with me, I am not sure if either of them really knows the rules but they should now since I bought both of them rule books for Christmas!:D

When in doubt always play a provisional.

[Grass Roots Tour]

I know 2 people who do that, they both like to compare scores with me, I am not sure if either of them really knows the rules but they should now since I bought both of them rule books for Christmas!:D

When in doubt always play a provisional.

Nice Xmas gift, dude. Wheres mine?

[under4hrs]

While the rule is not in doubt, this is a great example of how golf has become a 5 hour round. Whether it is bush, fescue, or farmer's fields, too many players:

A> Do not watch their ball land and pick a landmark
B> Reload when not required - i.e. red or yellow stakes
C> Hit another ball to the other side of the fairway away from their first ball
D> Go on a ball hunt in the bush, replacing their scuffed up Top-Flite with a bunch of "new" balls.

I prefer the "drop one, hitting four" scenario for weekend golfers - those that do not necessarily enjoy hitting 3 or 4 balls off the tee. While this is not proper accordoing to "The Rules of Golf", i do think it will improve the enjoyment and pace of play.

That being said - if I am 2 up in my nassau - you are reloading!;)

[Greywolf]

Nice Xmas gift, dude. Wheres mine?
I did not know you then but maybe this year!;)

[Grass Roots Tour]

I see your point UNDER4HRS. And thats where the less than serious make up their own rules which is fine with me. Just don't brag your way around the clubhouse with a cheated score cause sooner or later you'll be in a tournament and unable to repeat your performance when playing by ALL the rules in necessary.

Cheaters only hurt themselves, unless you don't catch them cheating in your nassau.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Play the ball where it lies.


How many do you guys think play THIS rule (the most known golf rule of all time) the way it was intended?



My regular foursome does AND we use what we like to call a "rolling rules commitee". This is asking any of your playing competitors for a ruling at any given time. This way if you are unsure you can get advice and also be sure of what needs be done thereby playing correctly. You can bet my group all have accurate handicaps and when we go away to play our scores reflect our commitment to the rules and show how accurate our handicaps are.

[boss of the moss]

Just so you don't confuse people, playing a "provisional" or playing another ball from the tee are your ONLY options.

Even if you didn't "shave" off that stroke and you drop one counting your next shot as your fourth, you still haven't penalized yourself correctly. Who's to say you wouldn't have hit your "provisional" in the woods, or topped it only 100 yards, or put it in the fairway bunker, or whatever.
That is what he's saying. Read it man.

[el tigre]

That is what he's saying. Read it man. Read it yourself man. He is implying that "dropping one" and counting two penalty strokes instead of one (so that you are now playing your 4th shot instead of your 3rd) is within the Rules of Golf.

[boss of the moss]

Read it yourself man. He is implying that "dropping one" and counting two penalty strokes instead of one (so that you are now playing your 4th shot instead of your 3rd) is within the Rules of Golf.
Man are you kidding me? He is not implying that at all. He is saying that if the player was to drop one in this situation, he should be hitting his 4th shot not his 3rd. People are counting this as their 3rd shot. He knows the rules. The message is reload from the tee. Out of bounds is stroke and distance so even if it was considered the 4th shot when the ball got dropped it's still not the correct procedure. Who's to say the third from the tee would not have wound up in a worse positon. People are shaving a stroke off by doing this is the message, He's not encouraging it. The way it is worded is going on the assumption that the 3rd from the tee would end up in the same spot. Not explained that clearly. The don't walk for 250 yds. in the first sentence is the key.

[el tigre]

While the rule is not in doubt, this is a great example of how golf has become a 5 hour round. Whether it is bush, fescue, or farmer's fields, too many players:

A> Do not watch their ball land and pick a landmark
B> Reload when not required - i.e. red or yellow stakes
C> Hit another ball to the other side of the fairway away from their first ball
D> Go on a ball hunt in the bush, replacing their scuffed up Top-Flite with a bunch of "new" balls.
I understand A> and D>, but not B> and C>.

A player has several options when their ball goes into a water hazard (yellow stakes) or a lateral water hazard (red stakes), and Item B above is one of them. You are entitled to your opinion about which option is the best one to choose, but ultimately it is up to player himself to decide. If he prefers to reload, then that is his right. We all play the game our own way as best we see fit.

I don't quite understand where you're coming from regarding Item C. First of all, if you're skilled enough to able to hit your ball EXACTLY where you want it to go, then presumably you wouldn't have hit your first ball in the bush, fescue or farmer's field. Secondly, if you hit your first ball in the bush, fescue or farmer's field, then shouldn't you try to hit your next ball somewhere else? Personally, I would think the "other side of the fairway" is a better postion, no?

I prefer the "drop one, hitting four" scenario for weekend golfers - those that do not necessarily enjoy hitting 3 or 4 balls off the tee. Everyone is entitled to play the game under the Rules of Golf regardless of their skill level. Playing by the rules does not equal 5-hour rounds. If everyone practiced "ready golf", then there would be no such thing as a 5-hour round even if the course was full of 36.4 handicappers. Hitting "3 or 4 balls off the tee" usually means they are taking mulligans - i.e., they are not playing by the rules nor are they practicing "ready golf".

[962B]

Man are you kidding me? He is not implying that at all. He is saying that if the player was to drop one in this situation, he should be hitting his 4th shot not his 3rd. People are counting this as their 3rd shot. He knows the rules. The message is reload from the tee. Out of bounds is stroke and distance so even if it was considered the 4th shot when the ball got dropped it's still not the correct procedure. Who's to say the third from the tee would not have wound up in a worse positon. People are shaving a stroke off by doing this is the message, He's not encouraging it. The way it is worded is going on the assumption that the 3rd from the tee would end up in the same spot. Not explained that clearly. The don't walk for 250 yds. in the first sentence is the key.
I know what I was saying,....you're right Boss, I wasn't really IMPLYING anything. If I had known that each word was going to be dissected, I would have been more thorough with my analogy.

Without all the variables, my basic message was:

Don't go for a leasurely stroll for 250 yards, glance around for a moment, then say you're hitting three. That's all I was trying to say.:)

[Special_K]

I know what I was saying,....you're right Boss, I wasn't really IMPLYING anything. If I had known that each word was going to be dissected, I would have been more thorough with my analogy.

Without all the variables, my basic message was:

Don't go for a leasurely stroll for 250 yards, glance around for a moment, then say you're hitting three. That's all I was trying to say.:)
I might be going out on a limb saying this, and I am well aware of the rules, but I think most leisure/weekend golfers should just go out there and drop one for 3 or 4 just to keep up with pace of play. If every single weekend hacker foursome abided strictly by the rules, we'd be standing around all day. 6+ hour rounds for sure.

If, however, money is on the line or in the case of a tourney, then of course, provisional or reload. If i saw some 30 capper doing the walk of shame (heading back to the tee because they couldn't find their ball) i would seriously lose it.

[962B]

I might be going out on a limb saying this, and I am well aware of the rules, but I think most leisure/weekend golfers should just go out there and drop one for 3 or 4 just to keep up with pace of play. If every single weekend hacker foursome abided strictly by the rules, we'd be standing around all day. 6+ hour rounds for sure.

If, however, money is on the line or in the case of a tourney, then of course, provisional or reload. If i saw some 30 capper doing the walk of shame (heading back to the tee because they couldn't find their ball) i would seriously lose it.
K:

How many "leisurely golfers" have you seen:

1)Marking score on or next to the green
2) Standing around talking on the next tee instead of hitting their golf ball and keeping play moving.
3) Buying their 8th beer of the day 'cuz it's Charlies stag
4) Wasting everyones time as they search for the 2nd hand Pinnacle they bought at the side of some country road for 50 cents
5) Driving around in circles in a gas cart under tree limbs
6) Portaging their pull carts through, up and over Superintendents ropes
7) Running back 500 yards to retrieve their Uncle Joes $5 headcover that was dropped somewhere along the way
8) Looking for their ball 60 yards from where they actually hit it, just because they didn't feel like watching it from the tee properly.
9) Standing over a pond looking for balls as if they'd just hit the motherload
10) Walking into the Pro Shop to buy their greens fee at 11:06 when they're tee time is 11:05.

These are the types of issues that cause long rounds for everyone. Don't blame the rules. There are plenty of golfers (good and bad) that play by the rules and play quickly.

[noback]

How many "leisurely golfers" have you seen: WAY TOO MANY

1)Marking score on or next to the green Bugs the heck out me but unless they are told they wont get it. I have seen this too , the trick is dont answer them and walk to the next tee, then tell them you havent forgoten your score in the last 42 seconds and then tell them you made the birdie:D
2) Standing around talking on the next tee instead of hitting their golf ball and keeping play moving. Ready golf is the only way to go, unless you have money or in tournament play should you use the honours. This also applies in the fairway. Get to your ball and be ready to go as soon as the next player hits.
3) Buying their 8th beer of the day 'cuz it's Charlies stag. Not a problem unless they hacking up the course under the influence. The beverage cart is there for a reason and is only a problem when the course is full and slow anyways.
4) Wasting everyones time as they search for the 2nd hand Pinnacle they bought at the side of some country road for 50 cents or the Pro V they just found a hole before.:rofl:
5) Driving around in circles in a gas cart under tree limbs or 2 feet beside a bunker or green or tee off = take away the key.:nono:
6) Portaging their pull carts through, up and over Superintendents ropes theose ropes are for gas carts and should have entrences for pull carts
7) Running back 500 yards to retrieve their Uncle Joes $5 headcover that was dropped somewhere along the way wait till the next tee when the group behind you arrive at the green you just played to ask them if they found it.
8) Looking for their ball 60 yards from where they actually hit it, just because they didn't feel like watching it from the tee properly. with 3 others watching the ball, this should be a no brainer but it's not:rolleyes:
9) Standing over a pond looking for balls as if they'd just hit the motherload grrrrrrrrrrr do it on your own time not mine:mad:
10) Walking into the Pro Shop to buy their greens fee at 11:06 when they're tee time is 11:05. too bad for them, skip their tee time and put them off at a later time

These are the types of issues that cause long rounds for everyone. Don't blame the rules. There are plenty of golfers (good and bad) that play by the rules and play quickly. Agreed, I play with many types of golfers, and some of the higher handicappers actually play faster (although they do take more shots) than some of better golfers:cool:

[Special_K]

Yeah...agreed. If they, however, decided to reload 5-10 times because they keep knocking their ball OB, that's going to make it even worse. Also, picture this. You bring your buddy out golfing and this is one of the first times he/she has ever played this glorious game. They have some range experience but little on course experience. They duff their shots, swing and miss, wildly inaccurate, brutal short game and putting. Sound familiar? Are you going to stand over him/her preaching the rules? I agree that the rules of golf define the game and should be upheld. I'm just saying, for high cappers it really shouldn't matter as much because you want them to be out there enjoying themselves and not holding everybody back. So for those duffers, pick up the ball and move it up the fairway and try again from a different spot. Get an approximate score first and then work your way into the serious rules.

I agree that there are different golfers, some who play quicker than others regardless of handicap. I also agree that there are players out there who have no respect for the etiquette of the game. I also agree that many rec players out there do not follow the rules strictly. I'm kind of glad they don't because if they did, the game might become excrutiatingly slow and painful for them and for the groups behind them.

[noback]

I agree that there are different golfers, some who play quicker than others regardless of handicap. I also agree that there are players out there who have no respect for the etiquette of the game. I also agree that many rec players out there do not follow the rules strictly. I'm kind of glad they don't because if they did, the game might become excrutiatingly slow and painful for them and for the groups behind them.You hit the nail on the head here.:D
Play by the rules you want to play by, but ENJOY yourself, and DONT compare an 82 with 2 mulligans, drop here with no penalty, etc.... to my 82 by the rules, inlcuding ANY local rules that may apply.:p

[Grass Roots Tour]

NOBACK I disagree with your 3 and 6.

Boozing is a probelm and the courses shouldn't even be allowed to sell it on the course. This always slows play as guys order and no one is hitting. "ah Carl, what will you have.... hey Frank, its my turn to buy" etc Then theres the (45 yr old ) ususal blatant flirting with the 18 yr old whos working to get into college wearing the least amount the course will allow knowing full well it will help with tips.

I see ropes around tee decks to keep pull carts off and guys just step on the rope and pull their 110lb, beer loaded, $5 rustbucket right accross the tee or green. Then the loser gives you a dirty look for politely saying that he shoudn't be doing that.

You MUST agree with me there.

[noback]

Boozing is a probelm and the courses shouldn't even be allowed to sell it on the course. This always slows play as guys order and no one is hitting. "ah Carl, what will you have.... hey Frank, its my turn to buy" etc Then theres the (45 yr old ) ususal blatant flirting with the 18 yr old whos working to get into college wearing the least amount the course will allow knowing full well it will help with tips. This would mostly happen in tournaments and doesnt concern me as I play early mornings and not much boosers out there.By the way Im 44 and love my beer on the course.:D And looking at pretty little things wearing pretty litel things is all good.;)

I see ropes around tee decks to keep pull carts off and guys just step on the rope and pull their 110lb, beer loaded, $5 rustbucket right accross the tee or green. Then the loser gives you a dirty look for politely saying that he shoudn't be doing that. I was talking about the ropes that are 30-35 yrds in front of greens and where they want the gas carts to go around. Anyone pulling their cart accross the tee or green should be hit upside the head with not so wet noodle. I dont mean the ball. Well actually that would work too.:rofl:

You MUST agree with me there.yep yep

Must add to that list of not to do is the guys that uses the putter to pull that ball out of the hole. Another DONT. The hole is round for a reason. Dont make it harder to putt than it already is.:nono:

[Focker Singh]

When you tee off and your ball is obviously o.b., don't walk for 250 yards to the treeline, take a quick look, and then say "I'll just drop one." Many golfers do this and then count their next shot as their third. :nono:

Their third shot should have been played from the tee.:help: It would initially be considered a provisional ball, but when ball #1 is determined lost, ball #2 is in play. Three from the tee = four from 250 yards out. Many people "shave" off that stroke and assume they've penalized themselves correctly. :cool:

Just a thought.
Thanks for reminding me. I must admit then, I have been cheating. :nono:

[Grass Roots Tour]

Thanks for reminding me. I must admit then, I have been cheating. :nono:
Man enough to admit it, congrats.

As in alcoholics annonamous the first step is admitting it. Now make the next 9 and play properly or you'll never know when or if you improve.

[wayland]

K:

How many "leisurely golfers" have you seen:

1)Marking score on or next to the green
2) Standing around talking on the next tee instead of hitting their golf ball and keeping play moving.
3) Buying their 8th beer of the day 'cuz it's Charlies stag
4) Wasting everyones time as they search for the 2nd hand Pinnacle they bought at the side of some country road for 50 cents
5) Driving around in circles in a gas cart under tree limbs
6) Portaging their pull carts through, up and over Superintendents ropes
7) Running back 500 yards to retrieve their Uncle Joes $5 headcover that was dropped somewhere along the way
8) Looking for their ball 60 yards from where they actually hit it, just because they didn't feel like watching it from the tee properly.
9) Standing over a pond looking for balls as if they'd just hit the motherload
10) Walking into the Pro Shop to buy their greens fee at 11:06 when they're tee time is 11:05.

These are the types of issues that cause long rounds for everyone. Don't blame the rules. There are plenty of golfers (good and bad) that play by the rules and play quickly.
I disagree on the basis that some your comments seem a bit snobbish, if that's not your intent then forgive me for mis-reading.

4) Are you implying that it's ok for the guy to search for his Pro V1 that he paid for in the pro shop at inflated prices? Everyone is expected to look for their ball in some reasonable manner. The way you word it sounds like people playing cheap balls don't have that right.

7) What if it were your limited edition Scotty Cameron cover? Or a "tour" cover from your new driver? If the person needs to run back to find it, so be it. As long as they allow the following group to continue play and he/she doesn't expect to go back and finish the hole. I'd expect a, "hey charlie, I dropped my ***, you guys go ahead and I'll catch up to you. Don't wait up.".

10) This is the pro shop's fault. If you're gonna be anal about this, then this group should have been off the tee already. The ranger should be driving this guy up to his group at the 2nd tee to resume play.


I'm no beginner and I'm no pro but to be reasonable, how about I sound off some reasons for slow rounds that a "leisurely golfer" (as you put it) might have:

1. The group playing for money that plays so slow because of the stakes at hand. Foregoing ready golf because they might lose an advantage by hitting first, out of turn. Or having to mark that 2ft putt instead of putting out, insisting that "you go first", because of the pressure at hand. Yes you have that right to mark your ball, but do you realize how much longer it takes compared to you simply finishing off?

2. The "long bomber" who thinks they can drive it 350yds all the time, sitting on the tee box waiting for the group ahead to not only hit their 2nd shot, but to get ON the green, just in case they really nut one and hits into them. This is even more annoying on those short 365 par 4's where they need to wait for the group ahead to actually finish putting. Hey buddy, even if you *could* drive that green maybe 1 in 10 chances, for the sake of everyone else...lay up in the fairway. Play the course as it was meant to be. This applies to the "corner cutters" too.

[962B]

I disagree on the basis that some your comments seem a bit snobbish, if that's not your intent then forgive me for mis-reading.

4) Are you implying that it's ok for the guy to search for his Pro V1 that he paid for in the pro shop at inflated prices? Everyone is expected to look for their ball in some reasonable manner. The way you word it sounds like people playing cheap balls don't have that right.

7) What if it were your limited edition Scotty Cameron cover? Or a "tour" cover from your new driver? If the person needs to run back to find it, so be it. As long as they allow the following group to continue play and he/she doesn't expect to go back and finish the hole. I'd expect a, "hey charlie, I dropped my ***, you guys go ahead and I'll catch up to you. Don't wait up.".

10) This is the pro shop's fault. If you're gonna be anal about this, then this group should have been off the tee already. The ranger should be driving this guy up to his group at the 2nd tee to resume play.


I'm no beginner and I'm no pro but to be reasonable, how about I sound off some reasons for slow rounds that a "leisurely golfer" (as you put it) might have:

1. The group playing for money that plays so slow because of the stakes at hand. Foregoing ready golf because they might lose an advantage by hitting first, out of turn. Or having to mark that 2ft putt instead of putting out, insisting that "you go first", because of the pressure at hand. Yes you have that right to mark your ball, but do you realize how much longer it takes compared to you simply finishing off?

2. The "long bomber" who thinks they can drive it 350yds all the time, sitting on the tee box waiting for the group ahead to not only hit their 2nd shot, but to get ON the green, just in case they really nut one and hits into them. This is even more annoying on those short 365 par 4's where they need to wait for the group ahead to actually finish putting. Hey buddy, even if you *could* drive that green maybe 1 in 10 chances, for the sake of everyone else...lay up in the fairway. Play the course as it was meant to be. This applies to the "corner cutters" too.
Wayland:

Re: Point #4 and Pro V1's: I wasn't "implying" anything. It's fair to say that if a guy can't raise it over a 80 yard water hazard, chances are he's not spending $5 on a golfball.

Re: Point #7: I mentioned a $5 headcover. I didn't refer to a Cameron.

Re: Point #10: If somebody walks into a Pro Sop at the exact time they are supposed to be teeing off, how can you say that it is the fault of the Pro Shop? You also mentioned something about me being "anal" about this point. The Pro Shop staff in your opinion should drive the person out to the second hole. I don't know if you've ever worked at a golf course, but it's quite common for entire foursomes to walk in together when they should be on the tee. Is that also the fault of the pro shop?

[962B]

I disagree on the basis that some your comments seem a bit snobbish, if that's not your intent then forgive me for mis-reading.

4) Are you implying that it's ok for the guy to search for his Pro V1 that he paid for in the pro shop at inflated prices? Everyone is expected to look for their ball in some reasonable manner. The way you word it sounds like people playing cheap balls don't have that right.

7) What if it were your limited edition Scotty Cameron cover? Or a "tour" cover from your new driver? If the person needs to run back to find it, so be it. As long as they allow the following group to continue play and he/she doesn't expect to go back and finish the hole. I'd expect a, "hey charlie, I dropped my ***, you guys go ahead and I'll catch up to you. Don't wait up.".

10) This is the pro shop's fault. If you're gonna be anal about this, then this group should have been off the tee already. The ranger should be driving this guy up to his group at the 2nd tee to resume play.


I'm no beginner and I'm no pro but to be reasonable, how about I sound off some reasons for slow rounds that a "leisurely golfer" (as you put it) might have:

1. The group playing for money that plays so slow because of the stakes at hand. Foregoing ready golf because they might lose an advantage by hitting first, out of turn. Or having to mark that 2ft putt instead of putting out, insisting that "you go first", because of the pressure at hand. Yes you have that right to mark your ball, but do you realize how much longer it takes compared to you simply finishing off?

2. The "long bomber" who thinks they can drive it 350yds all the time, sitting on the tee box waiting for the group ahead to not only hit their 2nd shot, but to get ON the green, just in case they really nut one and hits into them. This is even more annoying on those short 365 par 4's where they need to wait for the group ahead to actually finish putting. Hey buddy, even if you *could* drive that green maybe 1 in 10 chances, for the sake of everyone else...lay up in the fairway. Play the course as it was meant to be. This applies to the "corner cutters" too.Wayland:

Now that you've carved up the guy that thinks he's a "long bomber" go check the shaft in your driver. Does that "XS" stand for Extra Stiff or Extra Small?

If you check the previous thread, the term "leisurely golfer" isn't mine, it belongs to Special K. Sorry about the confusion.

[wayland]

Wayland:

Now that you've carved up the guy that thinks he's a "long bomber" go check the shaft in your driver. Does that "XS" stand for Extra Stiff or Extra Small?

If you check the previous thread, the term "leisurely golfer" isn't mine, it belongs to Special K. Sorry about the confusion.
Re-read what I wrote and you should realize I wasn't belittling long hitters.

As to my equipment, I'm experimenting flexes because my previous stiff t-speeder shaft was a bit soft and I was losing alot of drivers way right. FYI, I currently have drivers in closet with a range of shafts from regular, firm, stiff and this newly acquired extra-stiff. In case you didn't know, stiffness affects dispersion as well. Obviously you think I'm claiming to be a "long bomber" because I have an XS, sorry to disappoint you..that's not the case.

Seeing as you care so much, I'm not ashamed to let you know that the experiment with my 510tp isn't going well. Very low ball flight, not enough carry...obviously I'm not loading the shaft enough. I may try the 757 stiff.

Sorry for the "leisurely golfer" misquote.

Next time you check my shaft to see if it's stiff or small, please ask. :$

[962B]

Re-read what I wrote and you should realize I wasn't belittling long hitters.

As to my equipment, I'm experimenting flexes because my previous stiff t-speeder shaft was a bit soft and I was losing alot of drivers way right. FYI, I currently have drivers in closet with a range of shafts from regular, firm, stiff and this newly acquired extra-stiff. In case you didn't know, stiffness affects dispersion as well. Obviously you think I'm claiming to be a "long bomber" because I have an XS, sorry to disappoint you..that's not the case.

Seeing as you care so much, I'm not ashamed to let you know that the experiment with my 510tp isn't going well. Very low ball flight, not enough carry...obviously I'm not loading the shaft enough. I may try the 757 stiff.

Sorry for the "leisurely golfer" misquote.

Next time you check my shaft to see if it's stiff or small, please ask. :$

Wow,....all that information for "check the shaft in your driver"?

[duffer_devon]

I think a great many golfers out there don't play by the rules. Case in point, on The Duffer's Dream Tour competitors have to hole out every putt, no tip ups, no mulligans, etc.. These so called mid 80s shooters almost didn't break 100.

It makes me think that they aren't playing by the rules when the play their fun games with their friends.

[camzie]

With all due respect, who cares if people don't following "the rules"? As long as it is not affecting their pace of play, Joe Golfer can hit 8 and call it 6 all day long for all it matters to me.

At the end of the day, the only score that matters is your own. Even if you're playing in a four-some where you know someone is scoring creatively, the only person they're fooling when they compare their 80 to your 80 is themselves. The only score anyone should be comparing is their own scores from previous rounds.

[boo1]

I uesd to pick up "gimmies" but have now gotten into the habit of putting everything out. It makes a huge difference when you play a tourney and are used to finishing everything.

[Mok]

With all due respect, who cares if people don't following "the rules"? As long as it is not affecting their pace of play, Joe Golfer can hit 8 and call it 6 all day long for all it matters to me.

At the end of the day, the only score that matters is your own. Even if you're playing in a four-some where you know someone is scoring creatively, the only person they're fooling when they compare their 80 to your 80 is themselves. The only score anyone should be comparing is their own scores from previous rounds.

I think this thread was an "awareness" thread...a lot of people didn't know this rule or rather "were breaking a rule"...I"m glad this was posted, I don't care how other people score their round, but for myself, I like to play by the full rules if possible.

[962B]

I think this thread was an "awareness" thread...a lot of people didn't know this rule or rather "were breaking a rule"...I"m glad this was posted, I don't care how other people score their round, but for myself, I like to play by the full rules if possible.
Couldn't have summed it up better myself!:)

[pudubny]

Couldn't have summed it up better myself!:)
Oddly enough I have seen a set of rules called the "hackers rules of golf" or "bogey rules" on the web that have become almost a second set of rules amoung amateurs. It's remarkable how many average golfers don't understand the rules and how many DO NOT want to follow the official rules. The OB, drop and 1 stroke is the most popular of these.
The gimme putts are part of this as well. My groups regularly gives gimmes. Rules of thumb are putter grip length or more than 2 strokes above par on the hole. That way it does not affect the handicap. (if you are below about 15 HC the maximum score you count on a hole is double bogey). We do it to speed up play.
Anyways, often when I try to explain that the old drop at the OB should be playing 4 people get upset. We regularly play skins game in our group and when we have a newby it's always fun to watch their reaction when we tell them some of the real rules of golf. We are actually trying to help but you would think we were accusing them of war crimes.
Regards.