New Tour Swing

[gordonmah]

Has anyone tried the new tour swing? Interested in personal experiences with it. Article in Golf Digest June 2007. http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200706stacktilt.html
Thanks

[Biffm1]

I tried it yesterday at the range, it scared the heck outta me. Right now the last thing I need to do is mess with what little success I'm having :rolleyes: . I think with proper instruction I would definately think about switching. It looks easier, with fewer moving parts, and looks very natural. I think I was tilting too far to my left (right handed golfer), so without feedback from someone that knows what this swing is supposed to look like, I'm not likely to switch. I hope it helps Mike Weir though.

[laxgolf]

I read about it in Golf World a few weeks ago, but the article didn't really get into technique. When I saw the article in GD I bypassed it completelyand will NOT be reading it. The last thing I need is to be thinking about the pointers in that article.

[freddielinkster]

Tried it today - insanely enough I tried in on course not on the range - I was playing my usual course, usual swing and not hitting it stellar so at the turn (it was quiet so I had time to rehearse the new swing alot between shots) I decided to try it - I've always been a pretty good mimic - I expect the guys who invented it would shudder if they saw my version, but the basics I kept in mind were weight on the left side at all times, the upper body lean (which in effect simply prevents any backward move away from the ball on takeaway) straightening the right leg and letting the left bend - after that it was simple a case of powering up with the left leg and everything else seemed to fall into place and follow - once you get the feel for it, it's really a very simple swing - after a few thin shots I actually started making solid contact, hitting it higher and for a player that always been primarily upper body, I had a real sensation that the left leg was providing power and driving the swing - maybe beginners luck that it seemed to work, but hit a few higher and past my usual distance - will keep at it for now - made par on the last 6 holes but I can't credit the swing since the short game caught fire, but I also can't blame it cause my version of stack and tilt or tilt and stack didn't get me in any trouble coming in - worth a try...

[Cybergolfer]

ce the short game caught fire, but I also can't blame it cause my version of stack and tilt or tilt and stack didn't get me in any trouble coming in - worth a try...[/quote]

How did you hit your driver especially since the driver is caught on the upswing

[freddielinkster]

first couple were draws which I don't normally do, but I realized I was still leading with the upper body, but once I got the timing down of pushing hard down with the leading leg which gave a type of hip drive, the rest followed and actually hit the driver real well - fade returned - better height probably because I was generating more speed than the old hand and arms swing - really no problem - however, I did try it after the round for 75 yard and in SW shots and found too much going on for those touch type shots - maybe it would improve with practice, but for those shots the old system seemed fine - definitely hit it better with the full shots - we'll see if it holds up next time or whether it was the honeymoon syndrome -

[nearace]

found this video looks cool wonder if it will help not chunking the ball?which i do occasionally.http://www.golfdigest.com/video/index.ssf?/video/stackandtilt.html

[swingpure]

first couple were draws which I don't normally do, but I realized I was still leading with the upper body, but once I got the timing down of pushing hard down with the leading leg which gave a type of hip drive, the rest followed and actually hit the driver real well - fade returned - better height probably because I was generating more speed than the old hand and arms swing - really no problem - however, I did try it after the round for 75 yard and in SW shots and found too much going on for those touch type shots - maybe it would improve with practice, but for those shots the old system seemed fine - definitely hit it better with the full shots - we'll see if it holds up next time or whether it was the honeymoon syndrome -

Partner you are into it now.:rofl: I read the article on the way home on the jet. I'm not going to try it, not even once. I did read a few tips about the regular swing that I might try, as well as after the tournament I thought about my mishits and what I could do to avoid them. I am going to work on turning my core and not my shoulders and to work on the downswing plane.

Thanks for the great week. 9 rounds in 7 days.

I hope that the new swing doesn't mess you up too bad.:)

[freddielinkster]

Hey Swingpure - thanks also for a great week of golf capped off by an interesting performance by our team at the TGN Bondhead event - will commit to the new swing for the summer - getting bored shooting in the 80's no matter what I seem to do this year...will try this for that extra difference - also committed 2 hours on my short game and putting yesterday before the round and guess what? It rewarded me with 5 up and downs and one two putt from another area code...until next time I'll keep tilting and stacking - if it doesn't work by next summer after a winter off I'll have forgotten everything anyways and can start clean...

[Hacker87]

I came across this thread yesterday and went to the range and tried this new swing and I have to agree with frankie..I find it much easier to grasp and then produce the swing your looking for..the ball was much more pentrating through the air from the wedges to the long irons..I did notice though that it will take some time to learn how to hit the driver and when you need those "touch" shots as one of you pointed out earlier..but other then that, I really like the new swing and I myself am going to stick with it and see it does for the season, cheers!:D

[freddielinkster]

Good for you Hacker87 - at least there will be two of us out there doing the Weir/Baddely thing - if it works you'll have to change your handle from Hacker87 to Stacker77!

[Hacker87]

Good for you Hacker87 - at least there will be two of us out there doing the Weir/Baddely thing - if it works you'll have to change your handle from Hacker87 to Stacker77!

hahaha will do!!!..just gotta fine tune it a little better...my dad got me golf lessons for x-mas and the appointments are coming up soon..can't wait to see what the instructor is gonna say!:rofl:

[mclarensmps]

Hehehe, my newbie swing is kind of a crude version of this apparantly! I'm pretty surprised to be honest hah!

[Grass Roots Tour]

Ha ha ha ha, good luck guys.

[Biffm1]

Let us know of your progress Hack, and Freddie (Talk about taking one for the team :D ). I'm self taught (one of the reasons why I suck) all through trial and error, self awareness and whatever "tips" I can find. I'm definately considering lessons but would like to learn a little more about this particular technique, and find a teacher that teaches this. However I might just stay with the "traditional" swing path I'm on now. Of course this may change if Weir or Bads wins the U.S. Open.....:eek:

[freddielinkster]

Well boys, I gave the new girl another try, expected to find the honeymoon was over and head back to my old swing, tail between my legs, asking forgiveness, professing temporary insanity begging my old hands and arms fade to take me back...BUT!!!! - the new girl still has my interest!
Played my regular track which provides the best feedback about distance and club selection - bad shots were mostly slightly thinned fairway woods and driver, (got too excited and pulled up early) all pretty straight and not a huge loss of distance - the good shots however (of which there were plenty much to my pleasure) were long (I actually have a power fade now, not just a swing that is fading into the sunset) and irons flying about 1/3 higher than any of my previous efforts - I'm buying shares in these guys if they go public with stocks...down to 3 swing thoughts - setup - weight on left leg - back swing - straighten right leg and keep weight over the left (okay that's two thoughts in one I guess) and downswing press hard with the left leg - all else falls into place and follows the leading left hip - I have now picked up 1 full club in the irons, more height and greater stopping power on the greens by virtue of the higher ball flight - hit 3 balls on #14 over a trap I always avoid - flew it by 20 yards - turned 50 last year and am now hitting it like a 49 year old!!! - seriously, it's worth a try - I will stick with it - score has not suffered and it's getting ingrained pretty quickly - will keep you all posted -

[swingpure]

freddie, I went to my club this evening. The assistant pro who is my instructor as well was busy but as I passed him I said Tilt and stack. He stopped what he was doing and said "You know about that" I said yes. He said that he tried it the other night and liked it. He said that it was very simple. He asked me if I tried it. I said no way. He said ohhh, you may try it yet. :rofl:

I have no plans of trying it, I'm just nailing down my own swing now and I am ready to reap the benefits, but it is interesting that another person that has tried it, and really liked it.

[Haps]

The weather has finally cleared up enough that I can hiot the range. Gonna give this a shot. My own swing is so crappy right now that abandoning it for something new is not big deal. In fact learning something new from scratch may end up being better then me then struggling to fight my old habits of my traditional swing.

[CBBman]

Tried the new swing at the range twice this week. It works for me. Its very simple and less error prone when you're tired. If I mess up I get either a thin shot that's short or a mild push....nothing like when my regular swing goes on tilt. This seems to be a swing where you can actually swing hard without disrupting the swing path. I still haven't figured out how to use a driver with it....I cut under the ball for a pop-up. Has anyone tried using a driver with this swing? Did you move the ball forward or simply tee it lower?

[Golden Bear]

I knew the reverse-pivot would catch on.

I'm a golf pioneer.

[NICK S]

I heard the "stay on your left side" theory a couple years ago. I've tried that "feeling" and the ball flight is decent. I didn't video the swings so I'm not sure whether the "feeling" I had simply put me into a better position behind the ball.


I'd like to hear what a chiro has to say about this one. It looks like a lot of loading on the lower back, even though they claim the spine is 'stacked'

[Haps]

Got to the range after work and gave this a shot. Took a little bit getting used to but of course this is all going just from a magazine article. Not exactly in depth instruction.

I was doing pretty well on the higher irons. Nice clean hits good flight etc. Was a nic swing. Really simple with very little to think about.

However once I got down to my 5,4,2 Hybrid and Driver I had quite a bit of difficulty. With the 4 and the 5 I seemed to keep bottoming out the club. Didn't really have any issue with my 6 iron.

Not something I'm going to give up on yet. Will give it a few more trials. Plus I haven't yet downloaded some of the videos from my camera to see what I was missing etc. I like the simplicity of it and I like that it requires less mobility around the arm/shoulders which are an issue with me and will be a greate rissue in the years to come do to a neck injury. As long as you can still twist your lower back and hips it will have longevity.

[freddielinkster]

3rd time out with the new swing - not as good today but still interesting - my partner right away noticed a significantly higher ball flight - he's a long hitter - went from 2.5 club to 1.5 club difference between us - hit a whole bunch of real good shots, but mixed those in with some topped shots and some bad pushes - here's the interesting part - after 6 throwaways in the fairway I hit 6 wedges or sand wedges from 95 - 110 to within 8 feet - had 6 realistic par attempts - only made one - also hit 2 wedge approaches on par 5's to within 6 feet and missed both - now I need a new tour swing for putting - my partner was truly impressed with the good shots, more impressed with the wedge play - so for a poor ball striking day in many ways and a brutal putting day, the new swing didn't do me in - I've been playing the fade but today it felt like I was getting ahead of myself - range work after the round produced a more comfortable feeling swing playing a high draw - the adventure continues -

[Golfing in Ottawa]

I heard the "stay on your left side" theory a couple years ago. I've tried that "feeling" and the ball flight is decent. I didn't video the swings so I'm not sure whether the "feeling" I had simply put me into a better position behind the ball.


I'd like to hear what a chiro has to say about this one. It looks like a lot of loading on the lower back, even though they claim the spine is 'stacked'

Last July my Golf Instructor had me doing something similiar to this swing.
I was keeping my weight on the left side and hit noticebly more solid shots. Used this for my irons and hybrids fairway woods. After a couple of practice sessons, I tried it on the course and took 5-7 strokes off my average.
I did try it with my driver, but it caused me to "pop" the ball straight up.
So for driver I used the traditional swing.

However, its interesting you mentioned what a "chiro has to say". !!
I did not have problems with my back, but with the constant weight on the left side developed soreness in the left hip area.
So do not be suprised if this becomes a common injury as a result of this swing.

[Haps]

Went to the range at lunch today to give it some more testing. I'm killing(for me) my short irons. 120 yards with my 50 degree.

Going out to play a round tomorrow and am going to leave everything lower then a 6 iron in my car. Going to try to get used to the swing then gradually move into the longer clubs. Was slicing the hell outta my driver anyways so no loss there.

[Golden Bear]

I'm not buying this for a second. I think you've all gotten together with Golf Digest and have come up with this crazy swing for the sole purpose of punking me. You were just waiting for me to show up at a course, and you were going to jump out from behind the trees and laugh at me.

Give it up, guys. I'm on to you. You did have me going for a while, though.

[Haps]

Going out to play a round tomorrow and am going to leave everything lower then a 6 iron in my car. Going to try to get used to the swing then gradually move into the longer clubs. Was slicing the hell outta my driver anyways so no loss there.

Played saturday and then today leaving everything but 6 iron up in the car. Shot my best ever score of 96 today.

[pendlebg]

I tried this out earlier today after what has become a typical part of my practice sessions recently. Hit everything from wedge down to 6 iron very nicely, but 5 iron through to driver not so nicely, getting worse the longer the shaft gets. Anyway, after hitting a dozen or so banana balls w. driver I decided to try Stack and Tilt for fun.

I have to admit, although it again is just recollections from reading an article once, I certainly gained quite a bit in accuracy and lost nothing in distance. All the Drivers hit w. Stack and Tilt where better than 90% of my standard driver hits.

It wasn't perfect, as my flaws with longer shafts are easy to pick out and transcend any instruction or swing style, as I have a mental issue in swinging the longer clubs what feels about 5 times harder the same as my 7 iron. All swing thoughts related to smooth and tempo disappear at the top of my backswing, replaced by some unstoppable primal force.

What I can say that Stack and Tilt may do, is give me a temporary swing to hit my long clubs with and not get into as much trouble while I continue to try and slow down and smooth out my regular swing on the range.

Who knows, maybe the Stack and Tilt will become my new swing, but for now it seems like when you have killtheballititis, that Stack and Tilt does not punish you nearly as much as a traditional swing. Is not perfect, as no swing can stand up to overswinging, but it would appear that the likelihood of going OB, in the woods, rivers, etc.. is reduced significantly.

My 2 cents.

[hunterpaul]

Don't post too often particularly here on this thread since I am relatively new to golf for the last few years......Absolutely love all the great advice and tips individuals have written on this thread.......Have had many different swings changes over these short few years(even going from left to right handed) and lately have been having some success but never consistent........Only recently have had success with average distances and but inconsistency is the most common problem as with most golfers I assume..........I am a short, stocky player with not much flexibility........Why, do I play golf you ask??.........Always a natural at other sports but have been unbelievablely frustrated with golf as I still use too much arm/shoulder movement and have problems with distance.........Friends who are skinny and lack much muscle mass just overpower my golf game........As I am insanely competitive, I have become obsessed with getting better and solving this dilema........Recently, read the article about this new tour swing on a plane trip and after reading recent posts decided to give it a try......Wow, is all I can say, I finally have that piercing ball flight and distance that I have been craving........And on the first few times I tried the swing it worked....I actually hit my 5 iron almost 200 yards and that is with a range ball which I normally hit 150-160 yards......even mishits were still great shots for my game........felt it was really easy to develop the torque.........Problem is I could only hit my 5-PW with this new swing....As well, the higher lofted the club, the more I pulled the ball.......Probably something simple so I won't worry about that much as I still got great distance and height.......My woods and driver were a disaster as all I did was top the ball or hit a low duck hitting pull.........Previously, I actually had been getting better distance with my driver and woods and more consistency than my irons.........Although I am quite excited by this new swing, I am very keen on other's thoughts on the woods and driver...........Probably my ball position was wrong but could been any number of things........Interestingly, I found I hit better and more piercing shots with a narrower stance with my irons as I usually use a wider than normal stance even for wedges.........this is good I think but perhaps my stance was too wide for the woods as well.....I am very excited but hesistant.......Any one else encountered these problems?.......Any tips??.....Really appreciate it..........cheers Paul

[Golf_Goof]

Any tips??.....Really appreciate it..........cheers Paul

Here's a tip: use paragraphs :rolleyes:

[ysong00]

hahah i saw this article, and the first thing I thought was "is the same sketchy swing Ive been trying to fix for so long all of a sudden a tour swing"? But then I thought, "no, my swing is now much better than a tour swing" :p

[hunterpaul]

Thanks for you advice golf goof. Really helped, pessimism is always key not only in golf but in life. Personally, I actually had a harder time hitting my irons and have been having more success with the driver and woods. Therefore, this "new" swing has really helped gained some consistency and distance and that is all I will take from that. Don't knock it until you try it. Waiting hopefully from others for more helpful advice.

[Haps]

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread I have abandoned my longer clubs. I think the chance for error is a lot higher the longer you go with this swing. So my goal is to get to the point that I am consistently swinging with my shorter clubs and then move into the longer ones.

But right now I still occasionally screw up with the shorts ones. Got to get that resolved first before working on the longer ones.

[The Troll]

Just read this article tonight....interesting idea....like the torque I feel but only swung in the house. It's pretty much my basic follow thru anyway so that part felt natural.

I recall that Jim Flick once said "swing your irons around your front leg and your long clubs around your back leg". Could be why some of you are having trouble with longer clubs.

Hard to argue with the recent play of Badds, Will Mackenzie and Dean Wilson.

Give it a shot GB.... :p

[The Troll]

So I resolved to try this "new" swing today when I played....somehow, however, I actually played really well without resorting to changing my swing. If someone had lined me up I might have shot a sizzling round.

That said, we did pop out for a few extra holes....hit one ball with that swing....didn't go as far as I expected but it was dead on line and sucked back five feet. Worthy of further experimentation.

[Haps]

One thing I do notice is that later in the round as I get tired I get lazy with the swing and have difficulties popping that hip up up and can't get out of the way from the steep downswing and hit fat shots.

[rmack27]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.

[milhaus]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.
And we have a winner.

[Golf_Goof]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.

Disagree with it being crap, its works for some.

Totally agree with your last statement though.

[The Troll]

Ok, so this swing has snuck into my game a little.

Still only hit one full swing shot with it but after thinking about the swing I figured it would be perfect for bunker shots and other short game shots....the weight on the left side after all.

It has become my "go to" move in the bunker....for that it clearly works nice.

[dekker]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.

A little harsh maybe but I agree it is a "flavour of the month" swing that will appeal to some desperate guys.The fact that some players on the tour are having a go at it doesn't validate it,as some tour players are the most desperate of all.
Golf magazines are the mothers of good intentions,dispensing soothers haphazardly.

[Hork42]

It's sunday morning, and Baddeley is leading the US Open.... If he wins this thing I wonder how much added publicity this swing is going to get.

[Jake123]

Playing my first round, I figured no better time to try something new rather than returning my guaranted slice off the tee.

So I went to the driving range the day before playing. At first I was amazed to notice that I was now pulling the ball, something I never did. I figured I was exagerating this new style so I backed off and little by little my shots moved towards center. I think you also have to combine this with a full follow through and well executed coil which demands some concentration.
Near the end of my (large) bucket, I was probably hitting 90% of them straight. By the end of my bucket,

On the course, I probably sliced 2-3 times off the tee but realized I was probably tired and wasn't focussing on the overall swing and motion of this new style.

When I did concentrate on putting it all together including a very light grip and straight arms, I was down the center every time. Now record setting distances, but no more fear of when walking up to a tee with my big cahoona to find a narrow fairway. Maybe premature to say, but hopefully, I will soon have this down as my regular swing and my slice might be gone for good.

Important to note, I'm the guy who gave up on his driver in favour of a 3 or 5 wood. I would have tried using my driver but by the 3rd whole, would give up on it.

I used my driver the whole game and reserved my 3-5 for the fairway. That's a first for me.

So far so good, I'll report back at the end of th season.

[golf101]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.

Have to disagree for the most part.A late release doesn't have to mean steep. You should actualy hit it higher. Atleast I do. I am a low single digit.

Problem is leaving it out to the right and fan it. The is how the better pros hit it anyway. Distance and spin.

More to it then that though..

Just my take.

[Shadow]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all. Does this swing help achieve an inside path to the ball?
Does this swing help to get the hands ahead of the ball at impact?
Does this swing help to have the club face square at separation?
Does this swing help to have the divot start in front of the ball?

If the answer to all of these is "NO!", then your assessment is correct. If "YES!", then your answer is also crap.

[golf101]

this new swing is complete crap. no wonder some of you are hitting your short irons longer and having trouble with longer clubs, your coming into to the ball far too steep and delofting the face. ofcourse your gonna hit your short irons longer. most of you would be better off not reading golf magazines at all.

Not to be a smart as but one thing may be true and that is we would be better off not reading any of the instruction in any magazine and stick to lessons from a pro you trust etc...

[BeLikeBen]

I have read the article and have actually tried to incorporate a few of the ideas. What everybody needs to remember is that there is a weight shift. Just stop at the top and you should feel tension on the inside part of your back leg and hip. Like this:

7865

Keeping yourself centered over the ball while making your turn will feel like you are reverse-pivoting - especially if you have been trying to deliberately shift your weight or, worse, swaying.
I think this swing could be potentially ruinous to the high handicapper. But it has helped me groove my swing better, especially the feeling of arms matching my shoulder plane. This is where I am at right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFp4ZJrszRQ

[Capo]

Ok. I found out about this swing from my teacher, Darren Stalteri of Black Diamond GC. He taught me the swing, and I thought some of the things he mentioned seemed odd, until he mentioned Badds and GD. I was hitting the ball fat a lot, and was swinging too far behind the ball. This swing totally resolved that with his guidance. Swinging from the front leg is perfect for those of us who tend to hit fat. I was hitting higher truer shots and longer shots, and heard a sound from the clubface that I never heard before. Once I finished several lessons for the time being, I am on my own and have a bit of a consistency issue, in that I sometimes fall into my old habits, and hit fat again. But if I do it the way I was taught, I hit the ball much further and straighter, and even mishits still go straight. I started using my driver again, as I stopped slicing altogether. I hit some shots on my last round much further then in the past. I even holed a 40 yard pitch! Last driving range session, I couldn't miss. I am anxious now to get back out on the course again and hope to transfer my driving range success to the course. Little trick though for those having driver troubles. Tee your ball a lot lower then previous. I was hitting the ball high on the face with the driver with this swing. Give it a try, especially if you tend to hit behind the ball as many of us do!

[Haps]

The first time I tried it was sweet success. Hit some beautiful shots. Since then it has just falling apart. The past few weeks I've had some terrible shots and can't get my head around where I'm screwing up. I just wasn't making clean contact any more. Was either topping the ball or taking huge divots.

Went to the range tonight and the first half of my basket was as per the norm. Frustrating as hell. I was ready to give up.

Then something happened. I can't remember what I was thinkinn that changed the way I was doing it. But boom all of a sudden that sweet success was back again. I had slowed down the swing CONSIDERABLY and the popping up of the hip to start the swing turned more into slowly standing up and let the arms just naturally come around.

The result was an effortless easy swing that made nice crisp contact and was very straight.

As I sit here typing this it occurs to me that where I may have gone wrong with it is using only my 6-iron up. I think I slowly developped a habit from using my 6-iron off the tee and trying to power shots(around 75% of the time I was hitting the 6 around 200 off the tee). But I was swinging too much with the arms and too tense in the shoulders.

So I think I know where I'm supposed to be and I think I know how I got where I'm not supposed to be. Now I just gotta remember the swing and commit it to muscle memory.

[bigbertha]

I have also been playing with it. My swing prior to it was kind of like it already but no up down motion. I am still not sold on the up down motion as I find that when I pop up I tend to stop my turn and I shank everything. When I do work a pause into it, it seems to help. But I think I am going back to the more even turn that I was working on before as I still can't tell how a popped up hip can be a consistent way to swing. Anyone care to explain?

[Jake123]

Slowing down, using a longer club and be sure that your body strength is stronger than your arm strength, that is the key. In addtion to that, this is what I generally try and put together before striking a ball.

1. stand in front of the ball, take two back and forward swings to get a feel
2. walk behind the ball, get a line, pick a spot 2 feet in front of the ball and walk to address.
3. proper address, feete alignment and light grip, more fingers than palm,
4. left arm straight, firm but not tense, release tension out of arms and grip
5. left shoulder slightly lower than the right
6. head slightly tilted to the right
7. waggle
8. shifting hips ever so slightly to left before windup
9. slow on-plane windup
10. cocked wrist around 9 oclock
11. let hips start dropping and coiling before arms come down, keeping eyes on the ball and head somewhat still
12. strike the ball instead of trying to get under it, no guiding the ball with wrists
12 start turning hands just after impact, as if to shake a hand at 8 oclock
13 full follow through

All of this should happen in under 20 seconds, otherwise I lose natural feel of motion and begin to tense up and freeze up at address.

When I put this toghether, I hit sweet, long and straight. My biggest problem is turning the hands after impact. If I do it too early or late, (turning hands) I feel it and hear and the results are as expected