Golf ball help-pro v1

[Desi2007]

I like to play with pro v1 or pro v1x. Is there significant difference if you buy used or new in terms of performance/playability?

[Grass Roots Tour]

The X was designed to have less spin to help those with high club head speeds keep the ball from ballooning. Unless your club head speed is above 110 theres no point using the X

[GQuizzle]

Buying new will eat your wallet... if you buy used, be sure to buy from a respected retailer who is up front about the condition of the ball. K-Net golf is pretty decent.

[xander.uk]

i personally wouldnt buy used..if they have been lying in water for a little while before being found then they can be extremely variable in performance.
if you lose alot of golf balls then there are many other cheaper options.
i would rather use a new cheaper ball than an expensive used ball.
i actually dont like the pro v's personally because they dont seem to suit my game and i use Srixon Ad333's........not because they are really quite inexpensive but because they suit my game well.

my advice would be to try other brands but if the pro v suits your game then i think you should bite the bullet and buy new.

[Kester]

Personal opinion...if you're not a scratch / single digit golfer who is a pure ball striker, and is overly finiky on performance...there are many other comprible, less expensive options out there.

For most of the population...you're buying into marketing to buy brand new Pro V1's if you ask me...

[Desi2007]

I am pretty close to a single digit handicap. Currently I am at 10.3 handicap. I have tons n tons of golf balls .....the ones I find. I can't remember the last time I bought any balls. Its usually getting them from tournaments or findind them. I do like playing with pro v1s. In previous years I never bothered about what ball I was playing, however, there are some balls that perform better than others, in my opinion. Like giving you more distance off the tee or checking better on the green. But still paying $60/dozen seems excessive to me. I rather pay $18/dozen used.

[xander.uk]

just a thought on this subject

i recently won my first small handicap comp ( 1st time :) ) and was given a sleeve of the new pro v 1's as a prize!

have just played a round of golf with them and i have to say they dont seem to suit my game at all.

obviously they are very good golf balls but are they over hyped? and very over priced?

what do they do that other balls dont?

dont say they drop and stop because i use srixon AD333's and i get just as much green spin maybe even more than i did with the pro v 1.

i didnt lose anything using the pro v ( didnt like the feel much though) but i certainly didnt gain anything and as i said they didnt feel good to me so i was 6 over my normal score using them!!

ARE THEY ALL ADVERTISEMENT SPIN? is the ball you use better?

[dekker]

A quality ball shouldn't be a issue if you are a good enough player. You probably have some money sunk into equipment and shorting yourself with a cheap ball just doesn't make sense.If you loose 3-4 balls per round then pay more attention to where they land.
I never understood how someone can spend $150 on a course and cheap out on balls.

[3whack]

1. There is one aspect of the pro v1 and other premium balls that almost every golfer can appreciate---their softness allows for somewhat better feel around and on the greens.

2. But what about distance gains? Only if you are swinging 110 mph+ are you going to notice any difference---this is essentially the baseline. And, even at that speed, it is extremely marginal. Once you start to go faster than 110 mph, the gains keep getting greater; ie a 120 mph swing is going to notice a greater distance gain by playing this kind of ball than someone who is swinging at 115 mph.

Why do you think Nick Price is so frustrated by the modern technology?

[MizunoBoy]

just a thought on this subject

i recently won my first small handicap comp ( 1st time :) ) and was given a sleeve of the new pro v 1's as a prize!

have just played a round of golf with them and i have to say they dont seem to suit my game at all.

obviously they are very good golf balls but are they over hyped? and very over priced?

what do they do that other balls dont?

dont say they drop and stop because i use srixon AD333's and i get just as much green spin maybe even more than i did with the pro v 1.

i didnt lose anything using the pro v ( didnt like the feel much though) but i certainly didnt gain anything and as i said they didnt feel good to me so i was 6 over my normal score using them!!

ARE THEY ALL ADVERTISEMENT SPIN? is the ball you use better?

Try them again when you are playing better. What type of ball do you usually use? Premium balls like Pro v's spin more my game then the harder balls out there. I also like th esoft feel. I can play pretty well so maybe that the differnecr. No offense in anyway but curious to know what you usually use.

1. There is one aspect of the pro v1 and other premium balls that almost every golfer can appreciate---their softness allows for somewhat better feel around and on the greens.

2. But what about distance gains? Only if you are swinging 110 mph+ are you going to notice any difference---this is essentially the baseline. And, even at that speed, it is extremely marginal. Once you start to go faster than 110 mph, the gains keep getting greater; ie a 120 mph swing is going to notice a greater distance gain by playing this kind of ball than someone who is swinging at 115 mph.

Why do you think Nick Price is so frustrated by the modern technology?

Interesting to note that alot of players that don't hit it far have still gained alot of yardage. maybe its the driver not the ball for those guys. Price is a great guy but he doesn't like change much with more then just technology.

I like to play with pro v1 or pro v1x. Is there significant difference if you buy used or new in terms of performance/playability?

If they look pretty much new or have a few minor scuffs they should be fine. I shot 73 at royal Woodbine last week with used proV1's. Lost 3 of them but it was my swing not the ball. they should be fine but water can affect them but usually they are also discoloured.

[reader]

What "evidence" is there on golf balls /golf equipment? All the popular magazines I read give "opinion" or what we in science call "anecdotal evidence" - which really has limited value.

In science, you test a hypothesis and look for proof. Measure something if it is actually quantifiable.

It seems to me that with an "iron Byron" or some mecanical device it should be relatively easy to test balls and clubs under identical conditions.

Take Pro V1, and every other ball, and hit them with the robotic Byron at same speed/angle/with same clubs and then compare the data.

I for one would be interested in reading the results of such tests. Similarly, take all the top Drivers, hook them up to the machine and using a standardized ball do the same tests.

At least for distance measurements this seems very simple. I would think they could devize ways of measuring "spin" too.

Does anyone know if this type of thing has been attempted?

reader

[pir2]

Does anyone know if this type of thing has been attempted?


http://www.golfballtest.com/

[MizunoBoy]

What "evidence" is there on golf balls /golf equipment? All the popular magazines I read give "opinion" or what we in science call "anecdotal evidence" - which really has limited value.

In science, you test a hypothesis and look for proof. Measure something if it is actually quantifiable.

It seems to me that with an "iron Byron" or some mecanical device it should be relatively easy to test balls and clubs under identical conditions.

Take Pro V1, and every other ball, and hit them with the robotic Byron at same speed/angle/with same clubs and then compare the data.

I for one would be interested in reading the results of such tests. Similarly, take all the top Drivers, hook them up to the machine and using a standardized ball do the same tests.

At least for distance measurements this seems very simple. I would think they could devize ways of measuring "spin" too.

Does anyone know if this type of thing has been attempted?

reader

Must be some tests out there but some manufacturers probably wouldn't want oyu to see them.

One thing is for sure, I can hit the ball about 25 yards farther in the air with a Pro V1 or equivilent ball with a newer Max COR driver then I could back in 96 with my Cobra Deep Face 9* with a X100 and a Tour Balata or Professional. Alot more often and alot straighter to boot. Probably combo or shaft, head and ball but definitely ProV's go straighter as I still use the same model irons I did back then.

[xander.uk]

there have been many tests done on golf balls-but as the saying goes there are " lies damn lies and statistics" you can make a set of numbers add up to anything if you want too!

mizuno boy i have tried them on several occassions ( and i am playing pretty well at present thx :D ) but they do nothing for me personally.

i dont ( and i guess most amateurs dont have 110+ mph swing speed ) and these balls are aimed at those speeds.
As for soft feel - they didnt feel any softer to me than the AD333's i use and spin?
The prov 1 spins less than alot of balls in the ball tests and didnt spin anymore for me than my srixon's ( i get backspin out of bunkers or wedge shots with my current balls and i do with the pro v's - couldnt see a noticeable difference)

i am not saying they arent an excellent golf ball - what i am saying is are they really any better for the majority of players than alot of other balls?

in my opinion - they are not!

and if you are going to buy seconds as a cheaper alternative than new 1's ( which was the original question ) then i would say dont buy them at all and buy a new cheaper ball!

[goshawk]

My impressions on "premium" balls is that it really doesn't matter how well you play (handicap). It's all about swing speed and feel. If your swing speed is less than 110mph, the ball won't behave any better then a mid-priced ball. It's all about compression. Slower swing speeds won't be enough to activate the inner core of the ball for the added distance these balls are supposed to give. Swing speeds of 80-90mph will only use the two outer layers, the same as using a 2 or 3 layer ball.
I had the chance to try this out at Redstone GC. They used ProV's and One Plats on the range. My distances were just barely higher then when I use my regular ball. My swing speed is around 105.
I've noticed through observation that a lot of golfers play ProV's because they feel they have to use the best ball around, no matter if it fits their game or not. One of my friends has a swing speed of about 80mph, but he said the ball suits his game the best. If someone wants to spend $60 per dozen for balls, who's to say that person is playing the wrong ball?

[xander.uk]

this seems to have turned into a debate on wether or not the pro v1 is a good ball? it is an excellent golf ball-no doubt about it!
however the question was is there a difference in performance between new and used and can you save a few $ buy using used balls instead of new?
my arguement was that there is a performance difference ( and it has been shown in many ball tests ) that lake balls ( whatever make/brand) are extremely variable in performance compared to new balls.
lake balls can vary in carry distance flight and spin hugely from 1 ball to the next whereas brand new pro v1's ( or any other good ball ) vary less so.
My arguement therefore was that if cost was a factor in your choice of ball then rather than buy used/reclaimed balls you should look at cheaper brands/models and buy them new as they would be better more consistent balls.

[goshawk]

If cost is a major consideration, I see no problem buying used/reclaimed balls if you prefer the premium balls. Quality used balls are available through Knetgolf.com or (in the Markham area) the Golf Warehouse on Denison Rd. I've purchased balls from both have found no noticable difference between their "mint" balls and new balls of the same brand. I'm sure there are other locations/sites that sell reclaimed balls. Pick a reputable company and stick with their "mint" or "like new" (one hit wonders) condition balls and you shouldn't have a problem.

[Shake99]

If cost is a major consideration, I see no problem buying used/reclaimed balls if you prefer the premium balls. Quality used balls are available through Knetgolf.com or (in the Markham area) the Golf Warehouse on Denison Rd. I've purchased balls from both have found no noticable difference between their "mint" balls and new balls of the same brand. I'm sure there are other locations/sites that sell reclaimed balls. Pick a reputable company and stick with their "mint" or "like new" (one hit wonders) condition balls and you shouldn't have a problem.

Golfwarehouse also have a store on Bayley across from GO Station in Pickering I have been buying from them for 3 or 4 years with no problems