Joints on the course...

[Kunallion]

Hey all..

This is a spur off of nearace's thread but just wondering how many of you smoke while on the course. I'll honestly say I used to do it much more often then I do now due to age and improvement in the game. But I will also say that the occasional J outside on an nice afternoon while knocking the ball around goes down smooth...

Also, I was playing with a couple of younger guys as a single yesterday and just before the Starter paired us up he came over to me and said 'Hey..I'm gonna pair you up with these guys but they have a couple of joints on them and plan on smoking while they play. Do you mind?' I said 'Not at all' and off we went. I then asked the guys a little later in the round if they've run into problems with getting paired up with people who take offence to them smoking and they said yes, that's why they had the Starter confirm with me that I was 'cool' with it. For my part, I just can't understand why someone would have a problem with someone else smoking weed. What they do is their own business...Sure, your playing partners may move a little slower ;) but their business is their business....

[3whack]

What is this? Golf with Johnny Drama?

Don't really think this is what the founders of the game had in mind.

[wallbanger]

I allways thought that it was part of the game. The starter instead of water should give you another option.

[guitarman]

Hey all..
For my part, I just can't understand why someone would have a problem with someone else smoking weed. What they do is their own business...Sure, your playing partners may move a little slower ;) but their business is their business....

I can think of some reasons why I would hate to be paired with druggies. Here's a couple.

1. I can't stand the smell of it. Never could
2. Although I've been an upstanding law abiding citizen for the last 26 of my 47 years, I keep myself as far away from people engaging in illegal activities. When I was young (mostly between the ages of 15 and 21) I was a huge hell raiser, spending most of those years incarcerated in provincial and federal facilities. Although I don't have drug convictions on my record I may have trouble convincing authorities of my innocence, after a criminal check, if guys in the group were caught. Not likely but why should I take a chance.

[BowmanvilleJim]

If they where low key about it, if I didn't have to be exposed to the smell, if they behaved themselves then I wound'nt mind. The same goes for those who smoke cigarettes, pipes or cigars and also those who like to have a few beers while playing.

[davevandyk]

i don't mind it at all and on a nice day when you are just out there with your buddies i enjoy it. I don't see why anybody would mind it at all.

I see Terry's point, that makes sense, but for most this is not a problem. I tend not to even bring up the idea when i play with people i just met. Although i don't see a problem with it, i have to respect the notion that my playing partners might have a problem with it. I can say that when i play with my buddy back home, we do it up GOOD!!

[Kunallion]

I can think of some reasons why I would hate to be paired with druggies. Here's a couple.

1. I can't stand the smell of it. Never could
2. Although I've been an upstanding law abiding citizen for the last 26 of my 47 years, I keep myself as far away from people engaging in illegal activities. When I was young (mostly between the ages of 15 and 21) I was a huge hell raiser, spending most of those years incarcerated in provincial and federal facilities. Although I don't have drug convictions on my record I may have trouble convincing authorities of my innocence, after a criminal check, if guys in the group were caught. Not likely but why should I take a chance.

Fair enough...not sure about the general classification of 'druggies' as anyone who pops a pill can be called a druggie imoh but I digress...

So Guitarman, how would you approach the situation? If on the 3rd hole they pulled out a joint and started puffing away, what would you do?

[laxgolf]

I don'r partake, but I have no problems with it whatsoever. I think the gov't should legalize it, sell it and tax the bejeezus out of a pack of doobies.

[Golden Bear]

Well, first, let me say that when it comes to pot, I don't particularly care if people smoke it or not ... as long as they don't smoke it around me.

I can't stand the smell. I don't like to be around people goofed on the stuff. And it's illegal.

If I'm told before a round that people are going to be smoking weed, I'll definitely appreciate being told, but I'll ask to be paired with someone else. (And I would expect that the pot-smokers would be the ones moved to a different tee time, not me.)

If they pulled out joints in the middle of the round and asked if I minded, I would politely say that I'd appreciate it if they didn't. And I'd thank them for checking with me, and explain my personal feelings on the matter.

If they just started lighting up without bothering to say anything to me or asking if it was okay, I'd take it to a course marshall. Simple as that. I'm not unreasonable about these things -- I'll treat people with respect when they've treated me with respect -- but if they just light up without a word to me, then the response they'll get is a complaint to a marshall without any warning from me.

Just ask me first. The answer will be "no", but ask.

[wallbanger]

No offence to guitarman but I think he is stuck in the 70's like my dad. Do you mind if people smoke cigarettes? To me tobbacco is a drug and so is alchohol, the only difference is if the gov't decides whether or not to make money on it. Cigarretes and alchohol are far worse of a health risk than mary jane, that is a fact.

Seriously, it is far more irritating to play with a guy who drinks 8 beers on the course and has no idea he is playing with 4 other people.

Im guessing your OK with with a guy drinking 8 beers on the course and then getting into his car to drive home.

To me the real problem in our society is alchohol, not mary jane. I would rather play golf or anything for that matter with a mellow stoned individual rather than a loud mouthed alchoholic, and Im guessing im not in the minority.

Seriously guitarman are you that uptight? Do you drink or smoke ciggarettes? Do yo associate with anyone that drinks or smokes ciggarettes?

Guitarman its 2007 not 1974 in case you did not notice.

[golfnutz]

It's funny how the responses have been both positive and negative.

I guess I have to wonder why would you feel the need that you have to spark up a joint while out on the course. Yes it's a minor drug but having said that, it's still illegal.

If it ever became known that an employee (Starter) was aware and condoned and permitted the use of drugs on the golf course there would be serious consequences for the Golf Course (i.e: loss of there liquor licence, etc).

Besides, if you're smoking up, you'll be chasing around the cart girl looking for munchies. Leave it in your bag or better yet, leave it at home. IMHO

[Golden Bear]

No offence to guitarman but I think he is stuck in the 70's like my dad. Do you mind if people smoke cigarettes? To me tobbacco is a drug and so is alchohol, the only difference is if the gov't decides whether or not to make money on it. Cigarretes and alchohol are far worse of a health risk than mary jane, that is a fact.

Seriously, it is far more irritating to play with a guy who drinks 8 beers on the course and has no idea he is playing with 4 other people.

Im guessing your OK with with a guy drinking 8 beers on the course and then getting into his car to drive home.

To me the real problem in our society is alchohol, not mary jane. I would rather play golf or anything for that matter with a mellow stoned individual rather than a loud mouthed alchoholic, and Im guessing im not in the minority.

Seriously guitarman are you that uptight? Do you drink or smoke ciggarettes? Do yo associate with anyone that drinks or smokes ciggarettes?

Guitarman its 2007 not 1974 in case you did not notice.I'm going to answer for myself and say that is a ridiculous post. You're insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. So far, no one has been so disrespectful the other way.

First, I personally would also disapprove of someone getting hammered on alcohol. If someone were getting drunk on the course, I'd ask to join another group. I agree that a loudmouthed drunk is worse than a guy who is stoned.

Second, whether it SHOULD be illegal or not is irrelevant. It IS illegal.

Third, cigarette smoke is also annoying. And it is rude to smoke around other people without asking first. But if people ask me, it's only because it's legal that I'll usually say it's okay. If they don't ask ... they're jerks. Plain and simple.

I do not have to like golfing with someone smoking weed. I have a right to not play with them, and it is a fair and legitimate right. Denying them the opportunity to smoke weed is a far lesser sin than forcing me to smell their weed and deal with playing partners who are goofed on the stuff.

[hogannut]

The issue of pot is complicated BECAUSE it is illegal. It's a paradox, because since since there are no laws attached to pot other than you can't have it in your possession the people who smoke it in inappropriate places can use the "excuse" that the laws are outdated and it is OK to smoke anywhere, anytime.

I personally don't care if people want to smoke it, in fact I think out of the big 3 of "casual" habits (alcohol, tobacco, marijuana) that pot is the least offensive. Certainly alcohol and tobacco have not been used as a medicine....OK alcohol a bit, but marijuana has some legitimate medical uses, which I think is better than man-made medicines that are developed these days just to make pharmasutical companies money (viagra and cialus).

I do however have a problem with someone smoking pot all day long and then getting into a car and driving a fairly long distance and more than likely driving on a highway. Just the same as most people would think drinking 8 beers on the course and driving home was not a good choice.

Hey.....light 'em up in your home if you want......mellow out and enjoy, but stay off the road. Isn't the fun of golfing enough of a high?

[wallbanger]

Fair enough golf nutz, what you have said is quite accurate.

However there would be serious ramifications on all gold courses if a police cruiser tested everyone leaving the course to see if they are over the limit. That is also illegal.

I would bet that if a cop stopped all cars leaving a golf tournament there woould be far more drunk drivers than stoned people leaving the course.

The only difference is that one is socially acceptable and one is not.

And your comment about why people would need to light up on the course applies to alchohol and ciggarettes as well.

[Kunallion]

If I'm told before a round that people are going to be smoking weed, I'll definitely appreciate being told, but I'll ask to be paired with someone else. (And I would expect that the pot-smokers would be the ones moved to a different tee time, not me.)

If they just started lighting up without bothering to say anything to me or asking if it was okay, I'd take it to a course marshall. Simple as that. I'm not unreasonable about these things -- I'll treat people with respect when they've treated me with respect -- but if they just light up without a word to me, then the response they'll get is a complaint to a marshall without any warning from me.

Just ask me first. The answer will be "no", but ask.

Agreed Golden Bear...asking is the right thing to do. However you're automatic answer of 'No' is a little harsh. They had the decency to ask and if they did, they obviously respect the fact that you're playing with them, hence, even if they get high they're gonna respect the game and keep a decent pace of play. If they don't ask, more than likely you're playing with potheads and then you may get stuck in a situation where the players would rather be smoking then playing...at this point, feel free to call the marshall.

Also, Wallbanger, you're being a little harsh the other way. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the fact that Guitarman doesn't condone 'drug' use is his business...what I'm more curious to see is how he handles a situation where he is playing with 'drug' users...know what I mean?

[Louie]

No offence to guitarman but I think he is stuck in the 70's like my dad. Do you mind if people smoke cigarettes? To me tobbacco is a drug and so is alchohol, the only difference is if the gov't decides whether or not to make money on it. Cigarretes and alchohol are far worse of a health risk than mary jane, that is a fact.

Seriously, it is far more irritating to play with a guy who drinks 8 beers on the course and has no idea he is playing with 4 other people.

Im guessing your OK with with a guy drinking 8 beers on the course and then getting into his car to drive home.

To me the real problem in our society is alchohol, not mary jane. I would rather play golf or anything for that matter with a mellow stoned individual rather than a loud mouthed alchoholic, and Im guessing im not in the minority.

Seriously guitarman are you that uptight? Do you drink or smoke ciggarettes? Do yo associate with anyone that drinks or smokes ciggarettes?

Guitarman its 2007 not 1974 in case you did not notice.

Impaired is impaired whether it's smoke or drink it's illegal to drive impaired. I don't know where you are going with this thread but whatever. I couldn't care less if someone does it but don't expect me not to have a few brew if you're going to smoke.:D

[Kunallion]

I do not have to like golfing with someone smoking weed. I have a right to not play with them, and it is a fair and legitimate right. Denying them the opportunity to smoke weed is a far lesser sin than forcing me to smell their weed and deal with playing partners who are goofed on the stuff.

Ohhh...now this I'm gonna have to disagree with. Judging on whether one sin is greater than the other is held for a much higher power than yourself Golden Bear. I personally couldn't care if you had to smell the stuff or had to deal with me being 'all goofed up' because I got to enjoy a gorgeous day, playing the game I love while being a little high.

One man's sin is another man's heaven....

[Golden Bear]

Agreed Golden Bear...asking is the right thing to do. However you're automatic answer of 'No' is a little harsh. They had the decency to ask and if they did, they obviously respect the fact that you're playing with them, hence, even if they get high they're gonna respect the game and keep a decent pace of play. I don't think saying "no" is harsh at all. As I said, I would appreciate being asked and I would be respectful in saying "no" -- and I would explain why I'm saying "no". I don't want to smell it and I don't want to be around people smoking it. The point of asking should be to ensure that it's okay ... not to advise your partner that you're going to be smoking joints, with the expectation they'll say "yes".

I actually think it would be disrespectful of me if I said "yes", and then grumbled throughout the round because guys were smoking pot and ruining my enjoyment of the round. I would whine to my wife about it at home. And at some point I might -- without implicating the players involved, since they were respectful enough to ask -- mention to the pro that I'd appreciate it if they clamped down on pot-smoking on the course. (I wouldn't do it THAT DAY ... I'd do it the next time at the course.) To me, this would be a cowardly response on my part, and I'd appreciate being honest with them up front. I can't imagine they'd have trouble enjoying their round WITHOUT smoking up -- if they did, they'd have a serious problem. But I honestly would have trouble enjoying my round if I was around people smoking up.

It's hard for me to put the shoe on the other foot. I don't smoke tobacco -- never have -- and I haven't smoked weed in about 15 years. And I wasn't golfing in those days. I don't know if I'd be upset about someone denying me my pot or not. I'd like to think, though, that if someone had a problem with it, and if they were upfront about that in a respectful way, I'd appreciate their honesty and would gladly refrain from smoking pot.

I suppose where I AM being harsh is saying that if they lit up mid-round without asking, I'd take it to a course marshall. That part is harsh ... and to be honest, I might not go that far. I'd probably just grumble. But you never know. I'd just consider it some of the worst possible ettiquette if someone was lighting up joints next to me on the tee box without bothering to check to see if it was okay.

Ohhh...now this I'm gonna have to disagree with. Judging on whether one sin is greater than the other is held for a much higher power than yourself Golden Bear. I personally couldn't care if you had to smell the stuff or had to deal with me being 'all goofed up' because I got to enjoy a gorgeous day, playing the game I love while being a little high.

One man's sin is another man's heaven....

Let me put it another way ... because I'm not sure I got across what I wanted to say:

If you couldn't smoke pot during a round, would it ruin your day? I imagine the answer is no. You might enjoy it MORE if you were smoking pot, but I can't imagine your round would be ruined without pot. If someone needs pot in order to have a good time, that person has some problems ... I don't get the sense that you're in such a place.

If I have to play a round with someone smoking pot, it would put me in a foul mood, and I think a lot of golfers would feel the same way. It would ruin my round.

That's basically what I'm saying: no one's round is ruined WITHOUT pot, but someone's round is ruined WITH pot.

Now, if someone asks if smoking pot is okay and the other person says "no", I suppose it gets things off on a bad foot, and the guy who wanted to smoke pot might be in a foul mood. But so would the other person if they were asked, and felt they HAD to say "yes", despite their objections. So, it's a wash there. The fact that the question was asked inevitably meant that someone's round was ruined.

As I said ... I don't really care if someone likes to smoke pot when they're not around me, but I hope they'd respect the fact that myself and others REALLY don't want to be around that sort of thing.

[Kunallion]

I don't think saying "no" is harsh at all. As I said, I would appreciate being asked and I would be respectful in saying "no" -- and I would explain why I'm saying "no". I don't want to smell it and I don't want to be around people smoking it. The point of asking should be to ensure that it's okay ... not to advise your partner that you're going to be smoking joints, with the expectation they'll say "yes".

I actually think it would be disrespectful of me if I said "yes", and then grumbled throughout the round because guys were smoking pot and ruining my enjoyment of the round. I would whine to my wife about it at home. And at some point I might -- without implicating the players involved, since they were respectful enough to ask -- mention to the pro that I'd appreciate it if they clamped down on pot-smoking on the course. (I wouldn't do it THAT DAY ... I'd do it the next time at the course.) To me, this would be a cowardly response on my part, and I'd appreciate being honest with them up front. I can't imagine they'd have trouble enjoying their round WITHOUT smoking up -- if they did, they'd have a serious problem. But I honestly would have trouble enjoying my round if I was around people smoking up.

It's hard for me to put the shoe on the other foot. I don't smoke tobacco -- never have -- and I haven't smoked weed in about 15 years. And I wasn't golfing in those days. I don't know if I'd be upset about someone denying me my pot or not. I'd like to think, though, that if someone had a problem with it, and if they were upfront about that in a respectful way, I'd appreciate their honesty and would gladly refrain from smoking pot.

I suppose where I AM being harsh is saying that if they lit up mid-round without asking, I'd take it to a course marshall. That part is harsh ... and to be honest, I might not go that far. I'd probably just grumble. But you never know. I'd just consider it some of the worst possible ettiquette if someone was lighting up joints next to me on the tee box without bothering to check to see if it was okay.

Correct...honesty up front is the way to go and informing them of your views to smoking herb is esxactly what needs to be done. However, I just think a response of 'No, I'd prefer you didn't but if you want to puff a bit I don't mind....just don't get stupid.' No what I mean? A compromise can be reached whereby the smoker gets to be a little high and you don't have to deal with too much smell and goofiness..:p (love that description by the way)...

I do agree that at any point in the round if your playing with people who are stupid drunk OR high, call the marshall over and get them off the course. We're here to play golf first, and enjoy drink/smoke second...If you become so enibriated that you can't play the game anymore...get off the course and go sleep it off in the clubhouse...

[Pingnut]

Kunallion - is a conincidance that your from "High" Park :cool:

[Golden Bear]

Correct...honesty up front is the way to go and informing them of your views to smoking herb is esxactly what needs to be done.

Well, I'm never playing with Smoking Herb again. The guy talks when I'm lining up a putt, he yells "You da man" when I hit a tee shot, and he takes leaks in the middle of the fairway. His smoking is the least of his problems. But that's beside the point -- I don't know why you brought it up.


However, I just think a response of 'No, I'd prefer you didn't but if you want to puff a bit I don't mind....just don't get stupid.' No what I mean? A compromise can be reached whereby the smoker gets to be a little high and you don't have to deal with too much smell and goofiness..:p (love that description by the way)...
I suppose a compromise might be a way to go. I wouldn't be terribly happy about it, but if they kept their distance and only did it on one or two holes ... I'd live with it. My experience with tobacco smokers has been varied. Some will ask first and I'll mention that I'm a non-smoker and that I'm okay with their smoking but would appreciate if they kept a little distance. Usually people are okay with that, and they light up at a distance, and don't smoke that much. But I've also played with chain smokers who don't give a damn about whether it's bothering me or not. If a pot-smoker is more along the lines of the former ... and if their not getting blitzed, well, I suppose I can let them enjoy their Jimmy Hendrix experience a wee bit.


I do agree that at any point in the round if your playing with people who are stupid drunk OR high, call the marshall over and get them off the course. We're here to play golf first, and enjoy drink/smoke second...If you become so enibriated that you can't play the game anymore...get off the course and go sleep it off in the clubhouse...Drunks on the course are the absolute worst. That's another problem with Smoking Herb.

[Kunallion]

Well, I'm never playing with Smoking Herb again. The guy talks when I'm lining up a putt, he yells "You da man" when I hit a tee shot, and he takes leaks in the middle of the fairway. His smoking is the least of his problems. But that's beside the point -- I don't know why you brought it up.

Who's Smoking Herb? Sounds like a *****..ha!

[hogannut]

Fair enough golf nutz, what you have said is quite accurate.

However there would be serious ramifications on all gold courses if a police cruiser tested everyone leaving the course to see if they are over the limit. That is also illegal.

I would bet that if a cop stopped all cars leaving a golf tournament there woould be far more drunk drivers than stoned people leaving the course.

The only difference is that one is socially acceptable and one is not.

And your comment about why people would need to light up on the course applies to alchohol and ciggarettes as well.

I agree and have said this before on other threads. I truly don't understand why these people bother to actually play the game. Save the green fees, and cart rental (because peopel who smoke and drink DON'T walk) and just go to the course and drink on the patio, heck light a big Bob Marly and pass it around while you're at it!:eek: :rolleyes:

[Kunallion]

Kunallion - is a conincidance that your from "High" Park :cool:
Ha! It would only be better if I grew up in Vancouver....

Honestly, I hardly ever smoke on the course...Getting high interferes with my game too much and I'm at the point now where playing the game well is more of 'high' than weed would get me however I also understand where puffers are coming from.

[guitarman]

Fair enough...not sure about the general classification of 'druggies' as anyone who pops a pill can be called a druggie imoh but I digress...

So Guitarman, how would you approach the situation? If on the 3rd hole they pulled out a joint and started puffing away, what would you do?

I use druggies as term to describe anyone using illegal drugs. Usually more associated with someone that has a daily habit. Sorry if I lumped you in with that category if it doesn't fit.
I have had it happen to me once at Arrowdale in Brantford. I was given a choice to go off with 3 young guys that were teeing off immediately or 3 older guys that were teeing off behind them. I chose the younger group so I could go off sooner. We get out on the fairway and they light up. Of course I feel kind of uncomfortable. They offer it to me to which I politely decline. Keep in mind I was only golfing for a couple of months by then. On the 3rd hole I slice one in to the other fairway.After we all hit we walk down to our balls and I walk in to the other fairway to hit mine. I line up the ball and didn't notice that one of the guys starts walking aimlessley past the point where my ball was. It shouldn't have mattered anyway as he was no where near infront of me. I was trying to hit it back in tothe fairway and I severly sliced it. It took the biggest banana path I've ever seen, came around and cracked him in the thigh. I was probably about 150 yards away from him and he saw it come all the way but didn't even try to move. He danced around a bit but I guess he probably didn't feel the full force of the pain. I'm just glad it was a low slice. In his case, this time it was probably a good thing he was smoking something.
If I know that someone is planning to smoke up before I tee off I would probably not golf with them. If I get out there and they are smoking up I would ask that they not do it where I can smell it. But I will feel uncomfortable for the round.
I have a question for those who smoke up with people they don't know. How do you know that one of the people you don't know is not a cop?

[Kunallion]

I have a question for those who smoke up with people they don't know. How do you know that one of the people you don't know is not a cop?

Good point....because of physical looks (6'1", 240) I get a lot of people asking if I'm a cop. I always laugh it off because I'm not but if you're gonna smoke, you'd better ask if a player partner is a cop because you sure don't want to come off 18 and have a crusier waiting for you...ha!

[guitarman]

No offence to guitarman but I think he is stuck in the 70's like my dad. Do you mind if people smoke cigarettes? To me tobbacco is a drug and so is alchohol, the only difference is if the gov't decides whether or not to make money on it. Cigarretes and alchohol are far worse of a health risk than mary jane, that is a fact.

Seriously, it is far more irritating to play with a guy who drinks 8 beers on the course and has no idea he is playing with 4 other people.

Im guessing your OK with with a guy drinking 8 beers on the course and then getting into his car to drive home.

To me the real problem in our society is alchohol, not mary jane. I would rather play golf or anything for that matter with a mellow stoned individual rather than a loud mouthed alchoholic, and Im guessing im not in the minority.

Seriously guitarman are you that uptight? Do you drink or smoke ciggarettes? Do yo associate with anyone that drinks or smokes ciggarettes?

Guitarman its 2007 not 1974 in case you did not notice.

I know what year it is. I also remember the years I missed along with the Birthdays and Christmases while I was locked away in Collins Bay up in Kingston. I'm not going to argue whether these things are legal or not. The fact is they are not. I don't want to be anywhere near anyone wilfully breaking the law. I don't need the heat.
As far as drinking. No I don't like to be around that. I'm an Native American who cannot hold his liquor. I'm one of the most peacful non violent people there is. Infact I hate fighting. But while drinking I put a good friendin the hospital and almost killed someone else. I haven't touched a drop since I was 19. That would be the age I graduated to federal prison. So whether its 2007 or 1807 this stuff affects us the same and has the same negative effects.

[iyell4]

... I just can't understand why someone would have a problem with someone else smoking weed... 2nd hand smoke!
Can't say that I've ever been paired with the Cheech and Chong before.

[caddishack]

If they can sell beer on a course and I have had the opportunity to see guys buy 2 at a time and basically watch their game go to chit, then whats wrong with smoking a joint. For some people it has a calming effect and actually can improve their game. I am not one of those people unfortunately. I can hardly think if I take a couple of drags.

[guitarman]

what I'm more curious to see is how he handles a situation where he is playing with 'drug' users...know what I mean?

I'm not really very confrontational so most likely I won't say anything at the time. But if I end up in a jail cell with you (guilty by association) I'm gonna kick your a$$

[Grass Roots Tour]

When did drugs become part of golf anyways?

I have friends that golf semi-seriously that like to get a few pints if/once the round takes a dump and theres no chance of scoring well. I assume thats because they'll have a different kind of fun seeing as the fun of scoring is lost.
I play slightly better than they do and it bugs me if their lost potential turned to drinking happens while I'm still playing well. Now we're not on the same page any more and laughing at horrible shots and re-loads occur.

I guess there are others who start the round with these kinds of intentions but I'm happy to report I don't get paired with them.

[guitarman]

I think the best way for pot smokers to handle the situation is, if paired with someone they don't know they should ask if it offends them. This way it gives the other party the chance to not golf with them. Everyone deserves the right to enjoy their round. No potsmoker has the right to light up if it ruins the others round. I also don't smoke cigarettes and don't like to be around it but it doesn't bother me nears as much as pot. Again because of the legalities.
On another note, I also suffer from Asthma and have a chronic cough. Any kind of smoke is an irritant. I usually control it through puffers and other natural remedies. If you insist on smoking around me causing me to cough, then I hope you don't mind a coughing fit when your teeing off.

[Kunallion]

I'm not really very confrontational so most likely I won't say anything at the time. But if I end up in a jail cell with you (guilty by association) I'm gonna kick your a$$

If someone is that much of a fool that they would smoke and you both got busted and they didn't vouch that you weren't smoking, they desereved to get their a$$ kicked...

When did drugs become part of golf anyways?

I have friends that golf semi-seriously that like to get a few pints if/once the round takes a dump and theres no chance of scoring well. I assume thats because they'll have a different kind of fun seeing as the fun of scoring is lost.
I play slightly better than they do and it bugs me if their lost potential turned to drinking happens while I'm still playing well. Now we're not on the same page any more and laughing at horrible shots and re-loads occur.

I guess there are others who start the round with these kinds of intentions but I'm happy to report I don't get paired with them.

Drugs didn't become a part of golf, I would say the vice versa happend. Drugs have been around a lot longer than golf has..;)

[Grass Roots Tour]

Drugs didn't become a part of golf, I would say the vice versa happend. Drugs have been around a lot longer than golf has..;)


Now you're just making us think you're stoned right this minute.

[Kunallion]

Now you're just making us think you're stoned right this minute.

ha! Wish I was...I'm actually administering an exam right now. I've got 12 people working heads down in front of me and meanwhile i'm posting of TGN...ha! Life is good...

[Anthony]

I played often with a friend (professional, very close to my close friends) who smoked like a chimney. I used to count rolling and smoking 8 joints (often shared) and amazed at the amount and his dedication and functionality while partaking. He was also very serious on the course. I never smoked.

Him and my friends I'm fine, though not thrilled as long as they are not holding up the course or acting like idiots. I have friends who consider that the most important part of the golf game (not serious golfers).

My favorite story is playing at Royal Ontario and my friend is rolling and smoking and he doesn't care for a second who sees him or cares. Anyways he was smoking while talking to the cart girl (who we learned was one of the owners daughter) and next thing we know the marshall wants to kick us off the course.

Without missing a beat, my friend says.

"Happens all the time, I roll my own cigarettes and everyone makes that mistake.":rofl:

Long story short, they buy it and we complete the round. I am pretty ambivilant about it, as I am with excessive drinking on the course as long as pace of play is maintained.

Though I do not know how to respond to the driving afterward (though if it was alcohol, I'd certainly step in).

[guitarman]

If someone is that much of a fool that they would smoke and you both got busted and they didn't vouch that you weren't smoking, they desereved to get their a$$ kicked...



Most likely they will vouch. But it might not be till after an uncomfortable visit to the police station.
My brother once showed up on my doorstep with a car. He said he just bought it and lets go for a ride. I had no reason to not beleive him, it was an old junker. Of course we get pulled over and it turns out its hot. I was down at the police station for 4 hours before I was released. Although the detective did not beleive my brother that I had no involvment with stealing it and I could have been charged anyway I was released without charges. This happenned a few years after I straightened out my life and could have been an unfortunate bump in the road. Luckily my brother also turned his life around and no longer lives that kind of life. Unfortunately my youngest brother, now in his 40s, never turned his life around.
If you can understand, I have nothing against those that choose to partake in something illegal, regardless of what the public consensus is on the stupidity of the law, I just don't like or want to be around it. It may seem harmless to you, but I take it more serious than that.



Drugs didn't become a part of golf, I would say the vice versa happend. Drugs have been around a lot longer than golf has..;)

It may have been around alot longer than alot of things but it doesn't mean its ok to mix them.

[Golden Bear]

ha! Wish I was...I'm actually administering an exam right now. I've got 12 people working heads down in front of me and meanwhile i'm posting of TGN...ha! Life is good...Meanwhile, they're all texting each other the answers, thinking that you're too stoned to notice! ;)

[luv2golow]

Wow who knew how serious people were about this topic? If you wanna burn, burn. If you don't, don't. I'm sharp enough to read most people and can tell if they're in or out. Mostly it's just a case of discretion. Would you spark up a big fattie if your mom was standing next to you? Well the person you're with might feel the same way. I have no problem with it at all. Smoke em if you got em, and be polite and offer me some....:eek:

[Titleist75]

Sorry if this is long-winded. So many opinions and views.
Legal, illegal, outdated, etc.....The bottom lne is this. Cigarettes & alcohol are legal. Pot, is illegal.
If you want to go "wake & bake" in the parking lot thats your choice with set of consequences if you are caught anywhere doing it because it is illegal. There are consequesnces for driving drunk as well if you are caught but still legal to drink but illegal driving over the limit.
Why not just obey public law and get on with your golf? I personally would not want to know of, or observe pot on a golf course or anywhere really. Why?....One of 2 reasons...
1. it's illegal,
2.the same reason I don't smoke cigarettes in my own car when a non-smoker is riding with me. It is frowned on by society as a whole.

Pot isn't legal therefore you don't have a leg to stand on where non-pot smokers are concerned (for the time being until something changes in legislature). Smoking cigarettes is getting to be the same way and is becoming less desirable & acceptable in society as the years go on. If people who are opposed to it say NO, then respect it. You don't have to get your panties in a knot and cry in the sand bunker because you can't have a little toot on a joint. You don't have to have a good 'ol fashioned "throw down" because they said they would rather you not smoke it. Carry on and have an enjoyable round. If you can't have an enjoyable round without smoking a joint then there is something wrong. ADDICTION! I have gone without a cigarette on the golf course due to non-smokeing players asking if I would not smoke (around them), and I am fine with that. Oh ...and for those who have 8 beers during the round...I just make sure I don't get paired up with them if they are going to be idiots doing so. I know guys who can pack away more than that in a round and they are enjoyable to play a game of golf with. Just don't bet them any money.;)

[nearace]

personally people that pair up with me can do whatever they like,I quite bud years ago but still will have a beer on occasion,to each his own:)

[Chambokl]

Hey WB,

You are the one stuck in the 70's... Driving drunk IS NOT acceptable in 2007. Here is your quote talking about people leaving the course after a few beers:

"The only difference is that one is socially acceptable"

Sorry to tell you but it is NOT accepted...

[davevandyk]

Hey WB,

You are the one stuck in the 70's... Driving drunk IS NOT acceptable in 2007. Here is your quote talking about people leaving the course after a few beers:

"The only difference is that one is socially acceptable"

Sorry to tell you but it is NOT accepted...

actually if it wasn't socially acceptable, why do soooo many people do it? You see many people have a couple beers on the course, then have a few more in the clubhouse before driving home.... happens all to often.

[bilinguru]

Used to partake. Don't anymmore. You want to golf stoned, go ahead, as long you don't act like an idiot (forget you clubs and drive the cart into a tree or something.)

Actually this post is amazing to me. Someone pulls out a joint here in Japan, and the police would be waiting for you in the parking lot. Whether pot is better or worse than alcohol is irrelevant. Pot's illegal, booze ain't. Fair or not, that's the reality. 'Do you mind if I break the law?' is what you're asking and the other person has the right to say, 'Yes, I do mind.' Drinking and Smoking Tobacco outside on a golf course are not illegal, so I woudn't ask anyone if they minded if I had a beer or lit a cigarette.

[davevandyk]

Used to partake. Don't anymmore. You want to golf stoned, go ahead, as long you don't act like an idiot (forget you clubs and drive the cart into a tree or something.)

Actually this post is amazing to me. Someone pulls out a joint here in Japan, and the police would be waiting for you in the parking lot. Whether pot is better or worse than alcohol is irrelevant. Pot's illegal, booze ain't. Fair or not, that's the reality. 'Do you mind if I break the law?' is what you're asking and the other person has the right to say, 'Yes, I do mind.' Drinking and Smoking Tobacco outside on a golf course are not illegal, so I woudn't ask anyone if they minded if I had a beer or lit a cigarette.

i hear that argument. I would never ask my playing partners if they minded me smokin a cigar, or having a beer. I never even pull a joint out when i am playing with guys i don't know, the only time i do it is when i am playing with guys i know and know that they don't mind it.

You can say, well pots illegal, but so is jaywalking isn't it? Do those that use the argument that pot is illegal, also only cross at crosswalks when the little "man" is shown?

[Vokey Design]

I don'r partake, but I have no problems with it whatsoever. I think the gov't should legalize it, sell it and tax the bejeezus out of a pack of doobies.

That is a great idea... I dont smoke them but I sure would like to see some more tax money come rolling in.

This situation would not bother me at all. I love the smell and would rather be paired up with a couple guys who puffed a J than drinking all round.

[Big Shooter]

my 2 cents:

I don't partake, and of course I realize it illegal, but I don't really have any problems with it...unless (like too many beers) it becomes a nuisance.
To each his own, but whoa, lotsa tight-wads here!? :confused: :hush:

[swingpure]

At my course the starter would never ask that question. I would mind if someone lit a joint whether they asked me or not. If they did, I would call the proshop and get them kicked off the course. I have zero tolerance for drugs.

I hate the smell and like others have said it is illegal. I also hate the smell of cigarettes, but I don't have much choice if someone whats to smoke, but stand up wind and away from them as much as possible and try and avoid playing with them again.

I grew up in the drug generation and saw lots of it, but never tried it. I have good friends who tried it when they were younger, but don't use it now. I don't have any friends who are current users. I don't have any close friends that are cigarette smokers either.

BTW - I have never seen anyone ever light up on the course, so it never has been an issue for me.

[guitarman]

You can say, well pots illegal, but so is jaywalking isn't it? Do those that use the argument that pot is illegal, also only cross at crosswalks when the little "man" is shown?

Possesion of pot can possibly land you in jail and with drugs on your record will most likely make it difficult for you to cross the border. I don't think jaywalking has the same consequences.
As I work in an office in downtown Hamilton I regularly jaywalk or cross on a red infront of an officer walking the beat. Actually I started when I seen them do it all the time. Try smoking a joint infront of them. Silly comparison.

[goshawk]

Everyone has their own preferences, and for the most part they are valid. Personally, I don't want to be around anyone smoking a J, on or off the course. I used to have a couple that we hung out with that were very heavy pot users. They asked the first time we were invited to their home if we minded if they smoked. My GF said no problem, I asked them not to while I was there. Their solution: they smoked outside on the deck while I cooked in the kitchen. They also enjoyed smoking on the course (I've played with them several times). Every time, it was while we were separated on the course. Once, it got really bad because they were acting super silly (must have been some really good stuff). That was the last time I played with them.
I just don't want to be around it. I don't like the smell, I don't like how it changes people's personality. I have the same problem with drinking to excess. I have no problem with playing with someone who has a couple of beers on the course, but when they have trouble finding their ball 3 feet away or line themselves up for a shot in the wrong direction I have a serious problem.
The argument that the laws are outdated may be valid (cigarettes do cause more harm than pot), but the fact still remains that it is illegal RIGHT NOW. Until the laws are changed, keep it away from ME. I have that right and no one can take it away. It's just common courtesy. If you want to smoke and the person you're with doesn't want to be around it, respect their wishes and refrain. Delaying your enjoyment of a smoke isn't the end of the world. And you may make/keep more friends that way.
One more thing, and I'm probably going to be blasted for this one. There's no way anyone is going to convince me that any substance that is "intoxicating", be it pot or alchohol or some other substance, is going to help you play better. Golf is inherently a very difficult game stone cold sober. Will weaving around on the fairway help you hit it straighter? I doubt it. The only positive I can see would be not caring that you just hit a horrible shot.

[justinn]

haven't touched it yet and don't plan on it

[owen5150]

I have never played with someone who has whipped out a joint on a golf course. I don't have a legal/moral problem with it, but it has never happened. I really wouldn't care if it did.

[nearace]

taking a cue from this post today, I joined an elderly couple today at my favorite course and then asked them if they minded if I smoked (not pot)they didnt mind,this thread has given me a better attitude about other peoples attitudes on this subject,if they had objected I am sure I would not have smoked near them just as a common courtesy:)

[goshawk]

If they had objected I am sure I would not have smoked near them just as a common courtesy:)

That's it in a nutshell. It's all about respecting the people you're paired with. I've been paired with both smokers and non-smokers (cigarettes). I always ask, even if I see my cart parther with a lit smoke. Courtesy goes a very long way to a better relationship with your playing partners. Who know, you may evey become close friends with them!

[ontario]

"Mind if I smoke?"
"No, mind if I fart?"

...Steve Martin

[dekker]

As a typical helpful Canadian I pack some surgical tubing,free exchange needles,rubbing alchohol and swabs and spare straws for those players in need.This is a tough game and I certainly don't want to take advantage of a competitor who hasn't taken the time to prepare himself properly.:rofl:

[Bellyhungry]

I was raised in a with the belief that if soemthing is illegal, don't do it...

So I don't condone joints on the course (or anywhere else for that matter)....

[golf101]

Noproblem with joints as I will smoke myself. Not good for the game usually. Specially putting.

Played Woodbine the other day. We were three. A guy asked to join us and at first it was sorry no, then we just told him we drink and smoke on the course adn he said he didn't care and played with us.

Joint was whipped out before the 3rd tee. Anyway, the guy didn't indulge but didn't seem to care. He shot 36 on the front but our antics finally got to him on the back nine. He finished with 79 I believe but said he had some stories to tell and had fun.

By the way Blaine, if you are out there, I would love little a money game with you. I will leave the joiints at home though.

He didn't care and if anything had a laugh at our expense. No problems either way.

[goshawk]

Since it's been mentioned several times in this thread, it would be interesting to know the legal ramifications, particularly from someone in the law enforcement or legal profession, of someone being "guilty by association" (in other words, being close to/in the same group as someone caught taking a drag on the course).

[golf101]

Well, first, let me say that when it comes to pot, I don't particularly care if people smoke it or not ... as long as they don't smoke it around me.

I can't stand the smell. I don't like to be around people goofed on the stuff. And it's illegal.

If I'm told before a round that people are going to be smoking weed, I'll definitely appreciate being told, but I'll ask to be paired with someone else. (And I would expect that the pot-smokers would be the ones moved to a different tee time, not me.)

If they pulled out joints in the middle of the round and asked if I minded, I would politely say that I'd appreciate it if they didn't. And I'd thank them for checking with me, and explain my personal feelings on the matter.

If they just started lighting up without bothering to say anything to me or asking if it was okay, I'd take it to a course marshall. Simple as that. I'm not unreasonable about these things -- I'll treat people with respect when they've treated me with respect -- but if they just light up without a word to me, then the response they'll get is a complaint to a marshall without any warning from me.

Just ask me first. The answer will be "no", but ask.

Course Marshall? One thing is for sure, there are alot of people out there smoking and you have no clue.

[davevandyk]

Possesion of pot can possibly land you in jail and with drugs on your record will most likely make it difficult for you to cross the border. I don't think jaywalking has the same consequences.
As I work in an office in downtown Hamilton I regularly jaywalk or cross on a red infront of an officer walking the beat. Actually I started when I seen them do it all the time. Try smoking a joint infront of them. Silly comparison.

Actually its not a silly comparison at all. Unless you have about an ounce on you (which is about the size of a bag of baby carrots), an officer is not gonna do much. The worst i have ever seen is a cop give a guy a ticket for "intoxication in public." We are not talking about going to jail for possession of a large quantity for trafficking, we are talking about having a joint on a course.

I want you to find me a cop that would arrest you for having a joint, aka about 1gram, and you will find the same cop that will arrest you for jay-walking.

I was raised in a with the belief that if soemthing is illegal, don't do it...

So I don't condone joints on the course (or anywhere else for that matter)....

No jay-walking? Never speed? Always come to a complete stop at every stop sign? All illegal, yet i highly doubt that abide by all those laws

[golf101]

haven't touched it yet and don't plan on it

Justine, pot smoking will lead to many bad socially unacceptable things like drinking more alcohol, abusing crack and other drugs, paying for sex and I don't mean dinner. lol Also, you will abuse your wife and kids, lose all your jobs and end up on the street or in jail trurning tricks for your next hit.

Vote conservative and go to church. Do the right thing and stay on track.

Since it's been mentioned several times in this thread, it would be interesting to know the legal ramifications, particularly from someone in the law enforcement or legal profession, of someone being "guilty by association" (in other words, being close to/in the same group as someone caught taking a drag on the course).

Little to no ramifications unless you have atleast more then 7 grams or have it broken up for obvious trafficking with scales etc... Being stoned is really not that big a thing. I notice that the people who get all STONED and stupid are usually somewhat that way without anything or they are already somewhat mentally weak. many studies in my basement through highschool confirmed this. lol

95% of the time a cop will just take your stash. I also have worked with about 35 policeman down at the CNE. Some were really good guys, some were real jerks. More then half of them did illegal drugs

[guitarman]

could careless but DRUNKS on th ecourse are far more of a hazard then people who may puff.


Alot of comparisons have been made that drinking is far more dangerous or annoying than smoking dope. This I have to disagree with. If you take smoking dope and drinking on an equal basis of abuse, both are equally destructive. Whether you smoke your brains out till you can't see or drink your self that way, what is the difference? Also I'm not completely naive to the drug world. You know exactly what your getting in a bottle of beer but dope bought on the street could be cut with anything. Isn't that what pot heads like in there dope? Potency?

Actually its not a silly comparison at all. Unless you have about an ounce on you (which is about the size of a bag of baby carrots), an officer is not gonna do much. The worst i have ever seen is a cop give a guy a ticket for "intoxication in public." We are not talking about going to jail for possession of a large quantity for trafficking, we are talking about having a joint on a course.

I want you to find me a cop that would arrest you for having a joint, aka about 1gram, and you will find the same cop that will arrest you for jay-walking.



No jay-walking? Never speed? Always come to a complete stop at every stop sign? All illegal, yet i highly doubt that abide by all those laws

Given a choice between the 2, what would you do? Smoke a joint infront of a cop or jaywalk infront of one? Actually I'll challenge you to experiment. For a You go do both and report back to my your findings.

[golf101]

Alot of comparisons have been made that drinking is far more dangerous or annoying than smoking dope. This I have to disagree with. If you take smoking dope and drinking on an equal basis of abuse, both are equally destructive. Whether you smoke your brains out till you can't see or drink your self that way, what is the difference? Also I'm not completely naive to the drug world. You know exactly what your getting in a bottle of beer but dope bought on the street could be cut with anything. Isn't that what pot heads like in there dope? Potency?



Given a choice between the 2, what would you do? Smoke a joint infront of a cop or jaywalk infront of one? Actually I'll challenge you to experiment. For a You go do both and report back to my your findings.

Alcohol is far worse. One reason is because it is LEGAL. It makes alot of people violent and abusive. The 2 just on there own to me as comparisons is easy. I would rather be around a guy who just smokes pot, even alot then a guy who just drinks alot, on average. Just ask any family councillors or victims of abusive parents or spouses.

My opinion but respect people who don't smoke pot and would never want to make then uncomfortable or in a position that makes them feel uncomfortable.

I'm not really very confrontational so most likely I won't say anything at the time. But if I end up in a jail cell with you (guilty by association) I'm gonna kick your a$$

Back in jail for you guitarman. very telling post. no offence.

[guitarman]

Alcohol is far worse. One reason is because it is LEGAL. It makes alot of people violent and abusive. The 2 just on there own to me as comparisons is easy. I would rather be around a guy who just smokes pot, even alot then a guy who just drinks alot, on average. Just ask any family councillors or victims of abusive parents or spouses.


I prefer to be around neither. It really has nothing to do with which substance is worse. It has to do with how the person indulging handles their drug of choice. To say that only alchohol creates volatile behaviour is somewhat false. The drummer in the band I play in is somewhat of an excessive drinker and has not one violent bone in his body. There are many documented cases of PCP laced pot causing deadly consequences due to violent behaviour much worse than alchohol. No one can guarantee what is in your dope.
Althoug there are many here minimizing the impact both legally and morally on pot use. Remember these people must know and associate with drug dealers. If the drug dealer sells pot then most likely he sells other harder stuff. So you so called upstanding citizens that enjoy your dope are supporting drug dealers who are criminals of a much larger scale and who contribute to the drug problem in our society that affects our children. I prefer not to associate with those that choose to associate with criminals even if you, yourself don't consider your self a criminal.


Back in jail for you guitarman. very telling post. no offence.

I'm not sure what its telling you but if some jerkoff were to cause me that type of heartache, yeah I'd probably lose it.
But the best prevention is to not let it happen so I think the OP for bringing this subject up as I never really gave this much thougth and I've only ever run in to the situation once. So, now after considerable thought I know what I will do next time. I will ask that they don't do that around me and if they do I will walk back to the pro shop and ask to be put in to another tee time or get a rain check and tell them exactly why.
I'd much rather you pee on the course than smoke a joint in my group.:rofl: (Some of you will get that joke)

[golf101]

I prefer to be around neither. It really has nothing to do with which substance is worse. It has to do with how the person indulging handles their drug of choice. To say that only alchohol creates volatile behaviour is somewhat false. The drummer in the band I play in is somewhat of an excessive drinker and has not one violent bone in his body. There are many documented cases of PCP laced pot causing deadly consequences due to violent behaviour much worse than alchohol. No one can guarantee what is in your dope.
Althoug there are many here minimizing the impact both legally and morally on pot use. Remember these people must know and associate with drug dealers. If the drug dealer sells pot then most likely he sells other harder stuff. So you so called upstanding citizens that enjoy your dope are supporting drug dealers who are criminals of a much larger scale and who contribute to the drug problem in our society that affects our children. I prefer not to associate with those that choose to associate with criminals even if you, yourself don't consider your self a criminal.



I'm not sure what its telling you but if some jerkoff were to cause me that type of heartache, yeah I'd probably lose it.
But the best prevention is to not let it happen so I think the OP for bringing this subject up as I never really gave this much thougth and I've only ever run in to the situation once. So, now after considerable thought I know what I will do next time. I will ask that they don't do that around me and if they do I will walk back to the pro shop and ask to be put in to another tee time or get a rain check and tell them exactly why.
I'd much rather you pee on the course than smoke a joint in my group.:rofl: (Some of you will get that joke)

that sounds better. Jsut to note, native americans used things like pot for 1000's of years and flourished. Whiteman comes and steals everything with the help of booze in a century.

Did you happen to 'smoke a few joints' in the can? lol No what I mean?If so, now i can definitely understand your opinions better. Young fresh 19 year old in jail probably means you smoked your share. no offence. lol

We are really not talking about PCP laced pot are we?

[Kunallion]

Wow...this thread went in a lot of interesting directions. Glad I brought it up...

To the Hardliners (Don't touch the stuff, don't want to be near it, it's illegal, etc...) I can say that I respect your opinion, but don't agree. Being 'hardline' will lead to conflict and to me, the last thing a pot smoker is looking for in conflict. Just tell them your views, reiterate that if they get 'stupid' your not gonna put up with it and ask that they stand down wind. That's the least smokers could do for you...

And to the Burners, one thing I have learned from this thread is to ask before your light up. It's polite and allows for an open discussion and avoids akwardness and conflict later on.

...and finally, if you want to play well, don't smoke. There's no way it helps...but if you want to have a fun, toke away!!!

[davevandyk]

Wow...this thread went in a lot of interesting directions. Glad I brought it up...

To the Hardliners (Don't touch the stuff, don't want to be near it, it's illegal, etc...) I can say that I respect your opinion, but don't agree. Being 'hardline' will lead to conflict and to me, the last thing a pot smoker is looking for in conflict. Just tell them your views, reiterate that if they get 'stupid' your not gonna put up with it and ask that they stand down wind. That's the least smokers could do for you...

And to the Burners, one thing I have learned from this thread is to ask before your light up. It's polite and allows for an open discussion and avoids akwardness and conflict later on.

...and finally, if you want to play well, don't smoke. There's no way it helps...but if you want to have a fun, toke away!!!

i agree with you, i always either ask if the group members mind, or flat just don't do it with people i don't know, its not like i NEED to do it.

However i don't believe that you can't play well if you are stoned. Some of my best rounds i was a little high! I shot 73 at Angus Glen from the tips when i was slightly under the influence. I was not chronic, having a joint on every hole, but i think it kinda takes the edge off, and it allows you to "free-wheel" a little more, and the swing feels a little silkier to me as well.

[guitarman]

that sounds better. Jsut to note, native americans used things like pot for 1000's of years and flourished. Whiteman comes and steals everything with the help of booze in a century.

Did you happen to 'smoke a few joints' in the can? lol No what I mean?If so, now i can definitely understand your opinions better. Young fresh 19 year old in jail probably means you smoked your share. no offence. lol

We are really not talking about PCP laced pot are we?

I'm not exactly the authority on North American Native culture but don't beleive the myths that you may have heard. Sitting Bull was once quoted as saying, "There is no such thing as a peace pipe because there has never been peace". I don't know how accurate this quote is but as far as modern time ceremonial pipes go I assure you that narcotics do not go in them. It ranges from tabbacco mixed with spearmint, red willow bark and bear berry leaves to one that I have smoked in Pow Wow ceremonies called sweetgrass.
Its quite laughable that you actually think natives smoked dope in their pipes. Hey, maybe some did but it wasn't the norm for ceremonial uses. You go ahead and watch.

The three main pipes of folklore, legend or possibly fact, are the peace pipe, the war pipe and the medicine pipe. Not sure what has been alleged to go in them but I imagine with the introductory of alchohol to my ancestors the war pipe became obsolete.:D

On a more serious note I can't beleive no one commented on my point about drug dealers. It seems that pot smokers like to justify their habit by citing that laws are outdated and silly, but how do you justify supporting a business that allows drug dealers to flourish? Pot smokers have no idea (nor do I suspect they even care) that your money possibly finances organized crime and keeps people in business that are most likely distributing harder drugs.

[goshawk]

Guitarman, I feel your frustration. As a 1/4 native Choctaw, I never heard any of my native relatives speak about any type of hallucinogen being used in any ceremonial pipe, or any use of them by anyone that they knew. Our problem was alchohol.
As for drug dealers, I'd shoot them all, but that would be violating their constitutional rights (who cares about the kids they are poisioning?). Don't get me started.:mad:

[nearace]

can we please lock this thread as i am getting the munchies just thinking about the old days.:rofl:

[guitarman]

can we please lock this thread as i am getting the munchies just thinking about the old days.:rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Titleist75]

Easy solution to this thread. Want to hear it?


Why don't we all just:

AGREE TO DISAGREE

We all have our reasons/beliefs to response to this thread the way we do. No sense in going around in circles :rofl:
(Question x (smoking pot + golf course)) = A lot of diverse views :hush:

[nearace]

can we please lock this thread as i am getting the munchies just thinking about the old days.:rofl:now i am getting paranoid,the golf gods are closing in:eek:

[golf101]

I'm not exactly the authority on North American Native culture but don't beleive the myths that you may have heard. Sitting Bull was once quoted as saying, "There is no such thing as a peace pipe because there has never been peace". I don't know how accurate this quote is but as far as modern time ceremonial pipes go I assure you that narcotics do not go in them. It ranges from tabbacco mixed with spearmint, red willow bark and bear berry leaves to one that I have smoked in Pow Wow ceremonies called sweetgrass.
Its quite laughable that you actually think natives smoked dope in their pipes. Hey, maybe some did but it wasn't the norm for ceremonial uses. You go ahead and watch.

The three main pipes of folklore, legend or possibly fact, are the peace pipe, the war pipe and the medicine pipe. Not sure what has been alleged to go in them but I imagine with the introductory of alchohol to my ancestors the war pipe became obsolete.:D

On a more serious note I can't beleive no one commented on my point about drug dealers. It seems that pot smokers like to justify their habit by citing that laws are outdated and silly, but how do you justify supporting a business that allows drug dealers to flourish? Pot smokers have no idea (nor do I suspect they even care) that your money possibly finances organized crime and keeps people in business that are most likely distributing harder drugs.

Better do some more homework on that one.
It is worldwide. Wasn't talking about the proverbial peace pipe. Indigenous people all throughout the world have been using natural drugs.

[guitarman]

Better do some more homework on that one.
It is worldwide. Wasn't talking about the proverbial peace pipe. Indigenous people all throughout the world have been using natural drugs.

Ok let the white man tell the native how it is. Just like they been trying to do for centuries.:D
Seriously though. Natural drugs doesn't necessarily equate to intoxicants.

[Big Shooter]

"Mind if I smoke?"
"No, mind if I fart?"

when someone in MY GROUP farts, we always say "Good Out!" :rofl: :D

[nearace]

when someone in MY GROUP farts, we always say "Good Out!" :rofl: :Dthats funny:)

[racmbs]

This thread needs to die....

So we can start a new one on people who:

Spit on the course
Pee on the course
***** on the course
Fart on the course
Burp on the course
Swear on the course
Fight on the course

etc, etc, etc, etc......

[Flog]

Just a quick question before the thread dies out.
For those who are more against the use of cannabis in the course, how would you feel if someone were to ask if smoking it would bother you, then explained that they use it for medicinal reasons?
I know someone who does and it's pretty confusing, to be honest. I can sympathize with those who feel stuck in the middle becuase the guy I know doesn't have a federal exemption for cannabis, but he would definitely qualify (multiple sclerosis). He's kind of tangled up in the political red tape between Health Canada and his doctor. I'm just curious about how others feel about medical use of cannabis, on or off the course. If you consider yourself a so called 'hard-liner', would your views change in a medical case?
Fascinating thread!

[pdonnelly]

Our government traffics in two of the most deadly and addicting drugs available anywhere, alcohol and tobacco. Marijauna was made illegal in the States probably by illegal means, not to mention lobbying by big business trying to get the hemp products off the market many decades ago. Not sure how it became illegal here. Now even though we have some of the best marijauna growers in the world incarcerated and some of the best area's to grow it in, our "medical" marijauna is grown underground, in Gimli, Manitoba by government workers. Initial claims were 10 % THC, actual 3 % THC and full of stems. Ripping off the sick and dying, that's our government for you. Now if we were to use the incarcerated cultivators to grow marijauna on the beautiful mountainsides of British Columbia's lush rain forest think of the quality medicine our sick and dying would receive. They wouldn't let, say, a drug like Lipitor claim 10mg when it was only 3mg would they. No an uproar. Pot has and undeserved bad name and shame on our elected officials for not getting the truth out there and marketing to us a recreational product as well as a very beneficial medical product. As for on the course why not? You just have to have someone pick up the tokers after as a line up of golfers going 20 km's an hour home from the course might back things up:rofl:

[davevandyk]

As for on the course why not? You just have to have someone pick up the tokers after as a line up of golfers going 20 km's an hour home from the course might back things up:rofl:

Ya but believe me... you will think you are going about 180!!

[guitarman]

This thread needs to die....

So we can start a new one on people who:

Spit on the course
Pee on the course
***** on the course
Fart on the course
Burp on the course
Swear on the course
Fight on the course

etc, etc, etc, etc......

Yeah nothing worse than a guy peeing on the course with a joint hanging out of his mouth, bluetooth piece in his ear, while cursing about his game and letting gas out of both ends. Makes you wanna fight.

[racmbs]

Yeah nothing worse than a guy peeing on the course with a joint hanging out of his mouth, while cursing about his game and letting gas out of both ends. Makes you wanna fight.

Hey! You've played in Fergus as well I can see. :rofl:

[thekathrynorchard]

Claiming that alcohol and booze are legal and therefore ____ should be legal is fallacious reasoning and it makes me cringe everytime I see someone using it as a justification/argument to legalize pot. I personally don't care one way or another, but at least examine the logic behind your plight to see if it's valid/sound prior to rehashing a defeated and poorly contrived argument.

Sorry, I wanted to say that since I first read a bunch of people citing it as justification and I bit my tongue this long.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Theres no way I'm interested enough to do the research so you're gonna half to explain what makes pot a medicine?

What illness can be overcome by smoking pot?

Or are we just talking about relieving some pain?

[Flog]

Theres no way I'm interested enough to do the research so you're gonna half to explain what makes pot a medicine?


And I'm not interested enough to explain the research, although I did mention that he has multiple sclerosis.
His aim is to control several side effects although pain seems to be his main concern.

[guitarman]

And I'm not interested enough to explain the research, although I did mention that he has multiple sclerosis.
His aim is to control several side effects although pain seems to be his main concern.

I have heard of pot use for terminal patients only. Not as any kind of healing therapy. When your terminal and in pain pot can be a less destructive alternative to morphine. But then as the original topic is use on the golf course, I don't suspect we'll see too many terminal patients in the final stages out on the links.
Some adverse effects to pot use:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia (feeling that people are “out to get you”)
Altered time perception
Tremors (shaking)
Nausea
Headache
Coordination becoming worse
Breathing problems
Increased appetite
Reduced blood flow to the brain
Changes in the reproductive organsLike tobacco, marijuana contains many chemicals that can hurt the lungs and cause cancer. One marijuana cigarette can cause more damage to the lungs than many tobacco cigarettes because marijuana has more tar in it and is usually smoked without filters.
The source of this info is taken from the medical community: http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/2583.html
But I'm sure I'll hear from a litany of self prescribed experts on this site that will poopoo these claims as nonsense.

[bythehour]

Pot is illegal!?!?! Geez, coulda fooled me. Everytime I walk home past the ACC on the night of a rock concert I get crazy stoned :D

Seriously, ganja may be illegal, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Toronto cop making a bust for straight possession of a small amount. It's openly smoked downtown all over the place, right in front of the boys in blue....

[Flog]

I have heard of pot use for terminal patients only. Not as any kind of healing therapy. When your terminal and in pain pot can be a less destructive alternative to morphine. But then as the original topic is use on the golf course, I don't suspect we'll see too many terminal patients in the final stages out on the links.
Some adverse effects to pot use:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia (feeling that people are “out to get you”)
Altered time perception
Tremors (shaking)
Nausea
Headache
Coordination becoming worse
Breathing problems
Increased appetite
Reduced blood flow to the brain
Changes in the reproductive organsLike tobacco, marijuana contains many chemicals that can hurt the lungs and cause cancer. One marijuana cigarette can cause more damage to the lungs than many tobacco cigarettes because marijuana has more tar in it and is usually smoked without filters.
The source of this info is taken from the medical community: http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/2583.html
But I'm sure I'll hear from a litany of self prescribed experts on this site that will poopoo these claims as nonsense.

When it was originally prescribed, medicinally, it was for terminal patients only (usually suffering from cancer or aids) but that has changed a lot in the past years. Now it's up to the discretion of your doctor, primarily for combatting pain and nausea. It's often used by people with anything from arthritis, which we all know can be debilitating, to the very serious and chronic, even terminal, conditions.
The federal exemption can be completed by your doctor if (s)he feels you would benefit from it's use for pain relief.
You may be right that you won't likely see many terminally ill people out on the golf course, but you may very well see people with painful conditions who posess a legal exemption to use cannabis on that basis. Truthfully, it doesn't matter a lick what we think of it because if we say 'we don't really care as long as they don't do it around me' then we have no say in how it's handled medicinally, either. I only asked in the case that someone with imagination would answer honestly.
:rofl:

[racmbs]

What illness can be overcome by smoking pot?

Ever played golf with Swain?

Enough said. :D

[Samick]

Hey! You've played in Fergus as well I can see. :rofl:

*GASP*! Since when have you been up to my neck of the woods to see me golfing!?



Or are we just talking about relieving some pain?

Some of us may need pain relief of a great round going down the crapper!


I havent read the whole thread, but mary-ja-wanna on the course? Its bad enough that some of these old guys on the course can get their hands on a few tall boys, much less smoke up and get the munchies! Those beer cart girls would CERTAINLY be in trouble then!! :eek:

[golf101]

When it was originally prescribed, medicinally, it was for terminal patients only (usually suffering from cancer or aids) but that has changed a lot in the past years. Now it's up to the discretion of your doctor, primarily for combatting pain and nausea. It's often used by people with anything from arthritis, which we all know can be debilitating, to the very serious and chronic, even terminal, conditions.
The federal exemption can be completed by your doctor if (s)he feels you would benefit from it's use for pain relief.
You may be right that you won't likely see many terminally ill people out on the golf course, but you may very well see people with painful conditions who posess a legal exemption to use cannabis on that basis. Truthfully, it doesn't matter a lick what we think of it because if we say 'we don't really care as long as they don't do it around me' then we have no say in how it's handled medicinally, either. I only asked in the case that someone with imagination would answer honestly.
:rofl:

Fortunately, i do not suffer from those side effects. A regular smoker of cigs are in worse shape then a guy who puffs occasionally.

Pot is illegal!?!?! Geez, coulda fooled me. Everytime I walk home past the ACC on the night of a rock concert I get crazy stoned :D

Seriously, ganja may be illegal, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Toronto cop making a bust for straight possession of a small amount. It's openly smoked downtown all over the place, right in front of the boys in blue....

This is very true. alot of them smoke occasionally themselves and many love the bottle. Stressful job which is tough to compar eto the stress of being a lawyer or accountant etc...

Claiming that alcohol and booze are legal and therefore ____ should be legal is fallacious reasoning and it makes me cringe everytime I see someone using it as a justification/argument to legalize pot. I personally don't care one way or another, but at least examine the logic behind your plight to see if it's valid/sound prior to rehashing a defeated and poorly contrived argument.

Sorry, I wanted to say that since I first read a bunch of people citing it as justification and I bit my tongue this long.

Alcohol kills and harms far more people then pot including all the things that go along with illegal drugs. There is no arguement there. You are fooling yourself.

Our government traffics in two of the most deadly and addicting drugs available anywhere, alcohol and tobacco. Marijauna was made illegal in the States probably by illegal means, not to mention lobbying by big business trying to get the hemp products off the market many decades ago. Not sure how it became illegal here. Now even though we have some of the best marijauna growers in the world incarcerated and some of the best area's to grow it in, our "medical" marijauna is grown underground, in Gimli, Manitoba by government workers. Initial claims were 10 % THC, actual 3 % THC and full of stems. Ripping off the sick and dying, that's our government for you. Now if we were to use the incarcerated cultivators to grow marijauna on the beautiful mountainsides of British Columbia's lush rain forest think of the quality medicine our sick and dying would receive. They wouldn't let, say, a drug like Lipitor claim 10mg when it was only 3mg would they. No an uproar. Pot has and undeserved bad name and shame on our elected officials for not getting the truth out there and marketing to us a recreational product as well as a very beneficial medical product. As for on the course why not? You just have to have someone pick up the tokers after as a line up of golfers going 20 km's an hour home from the course might back things up:rofl:

Alot of truth to this statement but the ignorant will never even consider. Thats the biggest problem.

[guitarman]

Fortunately, i do not suffer from those side effects. A regular smoker of cigs are in worse shape then a guy who puffs occasionally.



This is very true. alot of them smoke occasionally themselves and many love the bottle. Stressful job which is tough to compar eto the stress of being a lawyer or accountant etc...



Alcohol kills and harms far more people then pot including all the things that go along with illegal drugs. There is no arguement there. You are fooling yourself.



Alot of truth to this statement but the ignorant will never even consider. Thats the biggest problem.

Well, here's one of those self prescribed experts now.:D

Its comforting to know that there are some cops that in order to handle the stress resort to booze and drugs and carry a gun.

[golf101]

I have heard of pot use for terminal patients only. Not as any kind of healing therapy. When your terminal and in pain pot can be a less destructive alternative to morphine. But then as the original topic is use on the golf course, I don't suspect we'll see too many terminal patients in the final stages out on the links.
Some adverse effects to pot use:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia (feeling that people are “out to get you”)
Altered time perception
Tremors (shaking)
Nausea
Headache
Coordination becoming worse
Breathing problems
Increased appetite
Reduced blood flow to the brain
Changes in the reproductive organsLike tobacco, marijuana contains many chemicals that can hurt the lungs and cause cancer. One marijuana cigarette can cause more damage to the lungs than many tobacco cigarettes because marijuana has more tar in it and is usually smoked without filters.
The source of this info is taken from the medical community: http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/2583.html
But I'm sure I'll hear from a litany of self prescribed experts on this site that will poopoo these claims as nonsense.

Nice post.

Not alot different then a pollution day here in the great city of toronto. I wonder what the chemicals from car exhaust and industry do to your body. Guess thats why the rate of cancer has grown tremedously in the last 25 years or so. Pharma's can make more money that way treating it.

[davevandyk]

i understand that "experts" say that mary-jane has 4X as much tar as cigarettes, but i know a lot of people that smoke 15-25 cigarettes a day, i don't know anybody that smokes 4 to 6 joints a day which would give you the equivalent amount of tar.

[nearace]

when i did smoke the good stuff I had quit ciggerates. needless to say my day started with a doobie and ended in a doobie and all day long as well but the old days are long gone,now the straight and narrow for me :( lol

[racmbs]

I used to smoke pot in my younger days, like it was never gonna grow again.

I turned out OK, aside from the hump and nervous twitch.

[laxgolf]

Is this thread still alive?

[guitarman]

Nice post.

Not alot different then a pollution day here in the great city of toronto. I wonder what the chemicals from car exhaust and industry do to your body. Guess thats why the rate of cancer has grown tremedously in the last 25 years or so. Pharma's can make more money that way treating it.

Yes I guess if you live in Toronto a days worth of pollution is very harmful. And you can argue that ciggarette smoke can be more harmful due to more frequent use. But it all comes down to courtesy. You have the right to smoke it. (Not technically from a legal standpoint) and you have the right to smoke it on the golf course (Although again not technically from a legal standpoint or most likely according to course rules) but the rest of us that don't partake and choose to stay on the correct side of the law regarding substance abuse, also have the right not to have it around us.
Concerning the policies of golf courses you should check with the local pro shop to confirm any rule that you are unclear about. Such as if pot smoking is allowed or not. If everyone obeys the rules we wont' have to worry about others rights being violated.

[wayland]

To all the MJ smoking advocates I pose this question...

Would you mind if the people you were grouped with were doing lines of coke off the ball washer and shooting up heroin while waiting on the tee box?

It's an extreme analogy but one recurring argument from the crowd who don't support it is "it's illegal". The situation I described above is similar in that those are illegal substances as is marijuana.

[guitarman]

To all the MJ smoking advocates I pose this question...

Would you mind if the people you were grouped with were doing lines of coke off the ball washer and shooting up heroin while waiting on the tee box?

It's an extreme analogy but one recurring argument from the crowd who don't support it is "it's illegal". The situation I described above is similar in that those are illegal substances as is marijuana.

How be eveyone shoots up speed. No more pace of play problems.

[davevandyk]

To all the MJ smoking advocates I pose this question...

Would you mind if the people you were grouped with were doing lines of coke off the ball washer and shooting up heroin while waiting on the tee box?

It's an extreme analogy but one recurring argument from the crowd who don't support it is "it's illegal". The situation I described above is similar in that those are illegal substances as is marijuana.

That is an extreme analogy and one that can't even be part of this argument, as although mary-jane is illegal, it feels/seems like a very flexible legality.

Your analogy is just like comparing a car blowing a red light to a person jay-walking on a "No crossing" sign.

[wallbanger]

I think it would be very rare to see someone light up in someones face without asking them. Rude people are rude people nothing you can do.

But a guy walking down a fairway 50 yds away from you smoking a joint, really whats the problem. yes if it bothers you most people would ask first or light up somewhere where you dont even know. Is this really different than a guy puffing a but?

Booze was illegal at one point if everyone remembers correctly.

I doubt anyone out there agrees with every law in our society. Maybe there are a few but i doubt it. Does the discussion of MJ on the course really warrant an arguement such as this?

And to compare cocaine and herion to MJ is truly absurd.

Its time for all you tight asses with double standards to give it a rest and go enjoy your day on the course.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Something tells me someone should refer (not reafer) to this thread before making a pairing sheet at the next TGN event. :p :D

[bilinguru]

Devil's advocate...If you wanna play buzzed, why not spark it up in your car before the round? That way you don't have to worry about anyone else, and you can play all 18 with a buzz!! You can always slip out to the car again at the turn if you wanna top yourself off.

[wayland]

But a guy walking down a fairway 50 yds away from you smoking a joint, really whats the problem. yes if it bothers you most people would ask first or light up somewhere where you dont even know. Is this really different than a guy puffing a but?


I've seen guys high on MJ and they are laughing their butts off nonstop. The slightest thing will set them off in uncontrollable laughter. Now I'm not saying everyone has same reaction but it does seem common. So, if I'm on a course and I can hear a laughing hyena, yeah it is a problem. Would you disagree?

My MJ to cocain/heroin analogy is alot closer than the redlight/jaywalking one. I'm talking about illegal drugs which would get you the same charge from a cop. Running a redlight vs jaywalking are viewed very differently from a cop's point of view.

I have no problem with it myself (so don't label me as a tight *** on the matter). I'm just playing devil's advocate to make you smokers open your mind and see why some people are against it.

[bilinguru]

Wayland wrote...

I'm talking about illegal drugs which would get you the same charge from a cop. Running a redlight vs jaywalking are viewed very differently from a cop's point of view

From http://www.plea.org/freepubs/drugs/drugsdrugs.htm

Possession
The offence of possession is the least serious of the drug offences. Possession means that a person has a drug in his or her custody and knows it. Possession includes more than just carrying the drug on your body. It also includes having the drug stashed away, having someone keep it for you, or even knowing about and consenting to someone in the same room or vehicle possession of the same drugs.(don't know if that includes golf carts, but I'd bet it does)

To convict someone of possession, the Crown must prove three things: 1) that the substance in question is a Schedule I, II, or III drug; 2) that the person charged had control of the drug in some way; and 3) that the person charged knew or suspected that the substance was a drug, even if he or she did not know exactly what kind of drug.

It can be prosecuted by either the summary conviction or the indictable procedure. This is no longer the case for possession of small amounts of marijuana and other forms of cannabis. Possession of these Schedule II substances in a small amount (the amounts are specified in Schedule VIII) is a summary conviction offence only.

The actual sentences given to those who are found guilty of possession can vary a great deal. First offenders who have only a small amount of a drug in their possession often get an absolute or conditional discharge. Such a sentence means that the offender will not have a criminal record. A fine, however, is common; this sentence results in a criminal record.

Thought you'd like to know;)

[Kunallion]

I've seen guys high on MJ and they are laughing their butts off nonstop. The slightest thing will set them off in uncontrollable laughter.

ha....yeah. Weed sure is fun....

[wayland]

Thought you'd like to know;)

I wholeheartedly agree. So you're more than welcome to "possess" it on the golf course while grouped with me. ;) Ahhhh young jedi, we're talking about smoking it though aren't we? Does the above hold true if you replace the word "possession" with "consumption"?

[guitarman]

I think it would be very rare to see someone light up in someones face without asking them. Rude people are rude people nothing you can do.

But a guy walking down a fairway 50 yds away from you smoking a joint, really whats the problem. yes if it bothers you most people would ask first or light up somewhere where you dont even know. Is this really different than a guy puffing a but?

Booze was illegal at one point if everyone remembers correctly.

I doubt anyone out there agrees with every law in our society. Maybe there are a few but i doubt it. Does the discussion of MJ on the course really warrant an arguement such as this?

And to compare cocaine and herion to MJ is truly absurd.

Its time for all you tight asses with double standards to give it a rest and go enjoy your day on the course.

Maybe your right. And since I hate using kleenex, you won't mind if I just hold one nostril and blow it on the course. Of course I'm being sarcastic as I don't really do that. But who determines what is proper ettiqute. When I got in to this game it was impressed upon me the importance of proper ettiquite and consideration for other players. If smoking pot bothers others in the group and you can't wait till you get home to do it, then you have a problem. If you want to smoke dope on the course go to a course that is not busy at all at twilight and do it by your self. Or book a foursome of guys that are all in agreement with it.

[bythehour]

Wayland wrote...



Possession includes more than just carrying the drug on your body. It also includes having the drug stashed away, having someone keep it for you, or even knowing about and consenting to someone in the same room or vehicle possession of the same drugs.(don't know if that includes golf carts, but I'd bet it does)

I don't think you'd get slammed for standing by while a hitherto-unknown playing partner sparks one up. The possession statute is intended to deal with aiding and abetting concealment.

Unless you actively participate in discouraging an investigation, the worst you could be accused of is implied consent...which doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you're just golfing a few holes with a stranger....

[wayland]

I don't think you'd get slammed for standing by while a hitherto-unknown playing partner sparks one up. The possession statute is intended to deal with aiding and abetting concealment.

Unless you actively participate in discouraging an investigation, the worst you could be accused of is implied consent...which doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you're just golfing a few holes with a stranger....

You might want to tidy that up, it looks like you're quoting me and I didn't say that.

byethehour, I'm not sure what your stance is with that last statement but I'm not worried about getting charged because someone in my group is smoking. I'm just trying saying that it's illegal.

[dekker]

we are pretty lax on this stuff but if you plan on playing courses west just across the border be aware of their zero tolerance laws.

[Warbird]

In my opinion, I could care less if people are going to blaze on the golf course or before they play... as long as they are not causing a distraction or slowing down pace of play, they can do whatever they want...

[GAME]

cops will not bust you for 1 joint, let alone a 1/2 quarter, too much paperwork. Dont you think that cops burn while theyre off duty? i know 2 cops that burn large...when they do drug busts, where do you think the weed goes?

but anyway...i used to blaze while on the course...but i found that i lost my touch around the greens, so i stopped...also if i was playing bad, it made me play worse, but if i was on, i was in a zone...

[guitarman]

cops will not bust you for 1 joint, let alone a 1/2 quarter, too much paperwork. Dont you think that cops burn while theyre off duty? i know 2 cops that burn large...when they do drug busts, where do you think the weed goes?



Back in my wild days I actualy had a cop approach me to store all his stuff for a fee while he orchestrated an insurance fraud scam. And he would bust people for that. So whats your point?
So why don't all you people claiming that cops won't bust you for it walk in to a police station with a doobie hanging out of yer yap? I haven't had a run in with the law for many many years but I'm willing to bet there are cops that think its worth the paper work. There are many minor laws that could be considered not worth the paper work. So if they are not then why do we have them?

[dekker]

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6936
I wanted to include this in my earlier post about lighting up in some states,13 to be exact,particularly Michigan were teenagers are facing ridiculous sentences.
Residual amounts in your bloodstream suffice to have you charged.

[the_har]

I can think of some reasons why I would hate to be paired with druggies. Here's a couple.

1. I can't stand the smell of it. Never could
2. Although I've been an upstanding law abiding citizen for the last 26 of my 47 years, I keep myself as far away from people engaging in illegal activities. When I was young (mostly between the ages of 15 and 21) I was a huge hell raiser, spending most of those years incarcerated in provincial and federal facilities. Although I don't have drug convictions on my record I may have trouble convincing authorities of my innocence, after a criminal check, if guys in the group were caught. Not likely but why should I take a chance.

Your shorts are on to tight

[Grass Roots Tour]

I've got the munchies.

[nearace]

getting flash backs, gotta lock this thread:eek:

[golf101]

getting flash backs, gotta lock this thread:eek:

Hang in there buddy.:) Have a couple beers and relax. :D