Played Wyndance Yesterday

[Craigster]

Had the opportunity to play Clublink's new Wyndance course yesterday. Was very cool to be the first golfers to play the course - although I did feel bad about the first divot!

Course is designed by Greg Norman and is very tough. Tight fairways and tons of deep 'British Open' style bunkers. I have never seen such penal bunkers - even to get out the back door (instead of going over the six foot wall) you have to get over a three foot lip. Fairways are tight and it seems that each green only has one narrow point of entry. Otherwise you are approaching the greens over forced carries, bunkers or water.

The course is built around a quarry which provides for some great views and drop off cliffs at the side of fairways. My only comment is that I would not want to be on the acadmey course being built at the bottom of the quarry while golfers are shooting them over the edges of the cliffs.

It will be really interesting to see this course in two or three years when it has matured a bit.

[mizuno_mp37]

We looked at the houses there a couple of years ago before they started building but in the end it was a bit far out from town. At the time they were estimating $75k for initiation at the golf course, obviously I think that was before Clublink ended up bringing into their stable. Last I heard they were throwing in the initiation and 2 years subs with the houses - guess they weren't selling well?

[rbaker]

Board of Directors SIr?




Had the opportunity to play Clublink's new Wyndance course yesterday. Was very cool to be the first golfers to play the course - although I did feel bad about the first divot!

Course is designed by Greg Norman and is very tough. Tight fairways and tons of deep 'British Open' style bunkers. I have never seen such penal bunkers - even to get out the back door (instead of going over the six foot wall) you have to get over a three foot lip. Fairways are tight and it seems that each green only has one narrow point of entry. Otherwise you are approaching the greens over forced carries, bunkers or water.

The course is built around a quarry which provides for some great views and drop off cliffs at the side of fairways. My only comment is that I would not want to be on the acadmey course being built at the bottom of the quarry while golfers are shooting them over the edges of the cliffs.

It will be really interesting to see this course in two or three years when it has matured a bit.

[Craigster]

I wish I was BoD! I am just fortunate to work for a company that does a lot of business with Clublink and we were allowed to play after attending the annual general meeting.

[b_kim777]

I wish I was BoD! I am just fortunate to work for a company that does a lot of business with Clublink and we were allowed to play after attending the annual general meeting.

Can you give us a brief review of the conditions? Fairways, greens, etc. (of course keeping in mind that the course has not had a chance to mature yet)

[rbaker]

But you were playing with the BOD? I'm a member at Wy and its not open until a week from Friday.

Is it hard? How is it compared to GlenCairn lets say?


RB

I wish I was BoD! I am just fortunate to work for a company that does a lot of business with Clublink and we were allowed to play after attending the annual general meeting.

[Craigster]

The board did golf, but I was paired with a small shareholder.

The conditions were actually pretty good. There was only one temporary green, but the real green for that hole looked close to being ready. A few of the tee boxes (their were five or six each hole) still need some more grow in.

It is a tough course, but I think once you play it a handful of times and identify where to hit it for your particular game it will be fine. It is tough but not in the sense where you feel beat up when you finish. Definitely a lot of risk-reward decisions to be made.

I have not played Glencairn (but I am in Burlington if anyone wants to invite me!!) so I can't compare the two but my playing partner compared it to Eagles Nest.

You will enjoy your membership there!

[bigbertha]

So as I have asked in another thread is Greg the man coming to ribbon cut, play for a few holes for the members. I have seen lots of footage on Nickalaus playing his courses' grand opening. It would be cool to be able to see him play even just a few holes, let alone on a course he designed. Isn't it his first in Canada?

[rbaker]

Thank You for the comments. I appreciate it. I'm glad I wont feel beat up!

RB


The board did golf, but I was paired with a small shareholder.

The conditions were actually pretty good. There was only one temporary green, but the real green for that hole looked close to being ready. A few of the tee boxes (their were five or six each hole) still need some more grow in.

It is a tough course, but I think once you play it a handful of times and identify where to hit it for your particular game it will be fine. It is tough but not in the sense where you feel beat up when you finish. Definitely a lot of risk-reward decisions to be made.

I have not played Glencairn (but I am in Burlington if anyone wants to invite me!!) so I can't compare the two but my playing partner compared it to Eagles Nest.

You will enjoy your membership there!

Yes Greg Norman will be at Wyndance for the Grand Opening This September, for one day.

RB:)


So as I have asked in another thread is Greg the man coming to ribbon cut, play for a few holes for the members. I have seen lots of footage on Nickalaus playing his courses' grand opening. It would be cool to be able to see him play even just a few holes, let alone on a course he designed. Isn't it his first in Canada?

[focal]

earliest I could get on the 22nd was 5:29pm....

rbaker....you get an earlier time? need a couple spots filled? :D

[RobertThompson]

Greg Norman strikes me as the most overrated of the player/designers in the business today. By all accounts, Wyndance did not go smoothly while being built. The course looked intriguing when I was there last summer -- but frankly my expectations of this one aren't high.

[Big Shooter]

Greg Norman strikes me as the most overrated of the player/designers in the business today. By all accounts, Wyndance did not go smoothly while being built. The course looked intriguing when I was there last summer -- but frankly my expectations of this one aren't high.

Sounds fair, of the 4 courses at Barefoot (Myrtle Beach), the Norman course is the worst (read: BORING!)
...but HYPE is HYPE!! :hush:

[rbaker]

Hi , I have 11.49 AM but have a Foursome- Should anyone cancel, how many?

Rob

earliest I could get on the 22nd was 5:29pm....

rbaker....you get an earlier time? need a couple spots filled? :D

Robert, why are your expectations not high?


Greg Norman strikes me as the most overrated of the player/designers in the business today. By all accounts, Wyndance did not go smoothly while being built. The course looked intriguing when I was there last summer -- but frankly my expectations of this one aren't high.

I can't say, because I've never played a GN course. However, everyone I've spoken to who has love them.

I'm sure it will be terrific. The layout certainly looks unique to what I've seen in CL.


RB



Sounds fair, of the 4 courses at Barefoot (Myrtle Beach), the Norman course is the worst (read: BORING!)
...but HYPE is HYPE!! :hush:

[Frank101]

conditions update?

are all greens and tees expected to be in play after opening? is grass grown in or can you still see lilnes running through the greens etc?

Just found out I'm playing there monday and hoping it's not another Black Diamond.


Thanks

[rbaker]

I think I will worry about hitting the ball before I concern myself with lines running through the greens!:$

[mimmo19]

I think I will worry about hitting the ball before I concern myself with lines running through the greens!:$

24 Hours to go

[rbaker]

uhh, YES SIR, and the GAO has rated and sloped it low- something is wrong SIR.

FYI

[rbaker]

What a great Course. It was fantastic. Suprisingly easy to walk. Hard to play!


Had the opportunity to play Clublink's new Wyndance course yesterday. Was very cool to be the first golfers to play the course - although I did feel bad about the first divot!

Course is designed by Greg Norman and is very tough. Tight fairways and tons of deep 'British Open' style bunkers. I have never seen such penal bunkers - even to get out the back door (instead of going over the six foot wall) you have to get over a three foot lip. Fairways are tight and it seems that each green only has one narrow point of entry. Otherwise you are approaching the greens over forced carries, bunkers or water.

The course is built around a quarry which provides for some great views and drop off cliffs at the side of fairways. My only comment is that I would not want to be on the acadmey course being built at the bottom of the quarry while golfers are shooting them over the edges of the cliffs.

It will be really interesting to see this course in two or three years when it has matured a bit.

[Frank101]

can you give a slightly more detailed report for us RBAKER?

[focal]

What a great Course. It was fantastic. Suprisingly easy to walk. Hard to play!

it's a playable course. I wouldn't say it's fantastic, but being forgiving off the tee makes for a more enjoyable day. Long bombers will really like the openness of the front 9. I really like the areas around the greens. The run offs and the bunkering are excellent. The bunkers are quite deep and I had my first case of having to hit backwards at #5 (greenside)

I think you can definitely score on this course. which again goes back to playability.

conditions of the rough were EXCELLENT..greens are almost there and fairway was good. This course launched in a LOT better shape than Emerald did a few years back (the new holes)

We finished literally in the dark...

food was very good

course reminds me a lot of Ambassador in Windsor.

first pic: 1st hole
2nd pic: 5th hole green side bunker
3rd pic: par 3 8th hole

[Frank101]

i see you got the pics up :)

You have any more focal?

I'd love to see them.

I'm guessing you took the pics with your cell tho so there probably isn't many more.

[the_har]

Had the opportunity to play Clublink's new Wyndance course yesterday. Was very cool to be the first golfers to play the course - although I did feel bad about the first divot!

Course is designed by Greg Norman and is very tough. Tight fairways and tons of deep 'British Open' style bunkers. I have never seen such penal bunkers - even to get out the back door (instead of going over the six foot wall) you have to get over a three foot lip. Fairways are tight and it seems that each green only has one narrow point of entry. Otherwise you are approaching the greens over forced carries, bunkers or water.

The course is built around a quarry which provides for some great views and drop off cliffs at the side of fairways. My only comment is that I would not want to be on the acadmey course being built at the bottom of the quarry while golfers are shooting them over the edges of the cliffs.

It will be really interesting to see this course in two or three years when it has matured a bit.

Was #14 as intimidating as the photo of it???

[rbaker]

It is Fantastic. The local geography has allowed for a Golf Course that is completley unique with a "far away- resort feel to it." This will be a real winner for Clublink.

I'm just thrilled to be a member there.

I hit a ton of traps out there Friday and really need to examine how to play this one!




it's a playable course. I wouldn't say it's fantastic, but being forgiving off the tee makes for a more enjoyable day. Long bombers will really like the openness of the front 9. I really like the areas around the greens. The run offs and the bunkering are excellent. The bunkers are quite deep and I had my first case of having to hit backwards at #5 (greenside)

I think you can definitely score on this course. which again goes back to playability.

conditions of the rough were EXCELLENT..greens are almost there and fairway was good. This course launched in a LOT better shape than Emerald did a few years back (the new holes)

We finished literally in the dark...

food was very good

course reminds me a lot of Ambassador in Windsor.

first pic: 1st hole
2nd pic: 5th hole green side bunker
3rd pic: par 3 8th hole

[focal]

i see you got the pics up :)

You have any more focal?

I'd love to see them.

I'm guessing you took the pics with your cell tho so there probably isn't many more.

I only took pics from the tee box...but stopped after 12 or 13 holes...too dark and wanted to just finish.

in all honesty, the course is interesting but I'm not ready to declare it fantastic yet. I know you'll have a "homer" feel after all this anticipation (rbaker), but I didn't think it played all too difficult given the relative ease of the tee shots. Around the greens is a different thing though if you miss the green. The rough can cause a lot of problems as it's so dense it was an issue with some shots and the rough was cut short that day. Imagine the chaos if it was long. I can see some problems with some holes on the approach shots. Those bunkers can be intimidating. I also like the run off areas around the green. So much more fun than chipping in rough.

It'll be mid/late July before I head back again so I will reserve judgement until the 2nd or 3rd go around.

[RCCHGA]

Played Saturday in the Opening Scramble. Interesting track, challenging but fair. Parts look like a moonscape and others like seaside courses in Ireland. Then there are a few holes that have a parkland feel to them so you get three views. The best comparable around here would be Eagles Nest and I would rate them similar with the exception that the clubhouse at Eagles Nest is much nicer. I wasn't overly impressed with the Wyndance clubhouse as the marriage of stone and wood doesn't quite work. The furnishings in the food and beverage areas have a definate 'Ikea' feel to them. If CL plans to move this course to Prestige in a couple of years, I predict there will be some substantial changes along the way. All in all, a fun track to play, as long as the wind stays down....!

[ginrin]

The wind will be an integral part of that golf course because of it's location and elevation,so the design was made taking that into account. Coppinwood in the same vicinity is always windy as well

[rbaker]

Wyndance is the best, & your right it does need time to mature before its written off as "easy".I was actually dreading Wyndance as I was happily settled into GlenCairn, my wife doesn't like Glencairn as much as I do, so we were divided on it. Wyndance really surprised me, and I'm quite happy with it now. I thought it would be a miserable walk, and its not. I thought it would be just another course, and its much more then your average course.
I was looking for something to complain about when I got there, I found one, the shared Green. Somehow I will have to get used to seeing people putting while I make my approach. Yikes. Or putting while someone else is making there approach.
The Clubhouse is okay, not the spectacular layout they suggested it would be,but it will do and it serves the purpose.

We are there to stay.


RB


I only took pics from the tee box...but stopped after 12 or 13 holes...too dark and wanted to just finish.

in all honesty, the course is interesting but I'm not ready to declare it fantastic yet. I know you'll have a "homer" feel after all this anticipation (rbaker), but I didn't think it played all too difficult given the relative ease of the tee shots. The rough can cause a lot of problems as it's so dense it was an issue with some shots and the rough was cut short that day. Imagine the chaos if it was long. I can see some problems with some holes on the approach shots. Those bunkers can be intimidating.

It'll be mid/late July before I head back again so I will reserve judgement until the 2nd or 3rd go around.

[focal]

one of the things I noted very quickly was it's playability...and that is what makes a course FUN...does not have to be HARD to be fun. The game changes every day and my game definitely goes "south" more often than not. One of my favorite courses is Highland Gate. Not necessarily hard some days but brutally on other days....but it's always fun and a fair test. I played Kings Riding and National Pines on the weekend, another two courses that have challenge and fairness. Although NP can be brutal at times if you play the wrong tees.

Glencarin is one course that is not always fun. It's a great challenge and I'm always up for it and never hesitate to book a round, but I've seen my friends, wife and myself post some big numbers there.

Enjoy your home course and enjoy the club house. It is quite exciting to have a new home course...we'll definitely get a round in a Wyndance or anywhere else this summer




Wyndance is the best, & your right it does need time to mature before its written off as "easy".I was actually dreading Wyndance as I was happily settled into GlenCairn, my wife doesn't like Glencairn as much as I do, so we were divided on it. Wyndance really surprised me, and I'm quite happy with it now. I thought it would be a miserable walk, and its not. I thought it would be just another course, and its much more then your average course.
I was looking for something to complain about when I got there, I found one, the shared Green. Somehow I will have to get used to seeing people putting while I make my approach. Yikes. Or putting while someone else is making there approach.
The Clubhouse is okay, not the spectacular layout they suggested it would be,but it will do and it serves the purpose.

We are there to stay.


RB

[hamilton9977]

I just played today (from the blues) and I really enjoyed my round mostly because I was able to avoid the quasi pot bunkers. I would agree that the course is somewhat playable from a driving perspective but I would suggest that the approaches are very, very challenging. Make one mistake and you are potentially looking at a big number. It was not too windy today, but throw in a healthy one or two club wind and the course could become a real monster.

Some of the greens are huge!! 3 whacks are definitely possible. I think I will try the gold tees next time out. Should be fun.

Overall, an excellent test of golf and a must play for everyone who gets a chance.

[Frank101]

So I just got back from playing Wyndance for the first time and heres my review.

In my opinion, the course is more miss than hit. Although it is definitely different from the other courses in the Clublink portfolio, I dont feel it is the best or even near to that.

There are some good holes but there are also some very average holes. I felt the front nine was a much better nine while the back was kind of like "lets put as many holes around this quarry as possible because we have a quarry" rather than "where are the best holes." Actually, I feel like all the quarry holes were somewhat overrated or just lacking in substance. I personally didn't like the mixture of bunker styles and I'm not sure if there will be anything done with the waste bunkers, but there are just TOO many rocks and stones in them. I've played in waste bunkers at many courses and these were more like rock areas than waste areas, then again it may just be because the course isn't complete as of yet. The whole time I was playing I just kept thinking how much more this course made me appreciate a course like Eagle's Nest which is a much better course with a similar feel made out of almost nothing at all.

Another thing I don't like much about the course is the walks between hole 2 and 3, 6 and 7 and 9 and 10. With so much land and space you think they could have made a routing where there didn't need to be so many big walks.

For all the hype around the quarry, I never really found it to come in play that much either. I mean yeah it's there, but you have hit a real bad shot to end up in it. The 18th is really the only hole that uses the quarry as part of shot value where you can bite off as much as you can chew. I prefer this much more than the heres the hole and a quarry running up the left side approach. I think the course would have been better if they could have avoided having to actually go down into the quarry but what can you do I guess.

Overall, I enjoyed playing the course because like I said it's different from the other courses in the clublink line. Will it be one of the best in Canada, I personally don't think so. Will it be one of the best in Ontario, again I personally don't see it. Will it be a unique course people will want to play? Of course, especially because of it's relatively close proximity, but like I said, I feel that just in the clublink portfoliio courses like Rocky Crest, Heron Point, Greystone, King Valley and National Pines are all better than Wyndance not to mention some public courses like Eagle's Nest and Osprey Valley and in my books Wyndance doesn't really come out much more ahead or even on pace with Rattlesnake or Blue Springs.

Again, this is just my opinion.:)

[rbaker]

Really- how does it compare to Station Creek?


So I just got back from playing Wyndance for the first time and heres my review.

In my opinion, the course is more miss than hit. Although it is definitely different from the other courses in the Clublink portfolio, I dont feel it is the best or even near to that.

There are some good holes but there are also some very average holes. I felt the front nine was a much better nine while the back was kind of like "lets put as many holes around this quarry as possible because we have a quarry" rather than "where are the best holes." Actually, I feel like all the quarry holes were somewhat overrated or just lacking in substance. I personally didn't like the mixture of bunker styles and I'm not sure if there will be anything done with the waste bunkers, but there are just TOO many rocks and stones in them. I've played in waste bunkers at many courses and these were more like rock areas than waste areas, then again it may just be because the course isn't complete as of yet. The whole time I was playing I just kept thinking how much more this course made me appreciatea course like Eagle's Nest which is a much better course with a similar feel made out of almost nothing at all.

Another thing I don't like much about the course is the walks between hole 2 and 3, 6 and 7 and 9 and 10. With so much land and space you think they could have made a routing where there didn't need to be so many big walks.

For all the hype around the quarry, I never really found it to come in play that much either. I mean yeah it's there, but you have hit a real bad shot to end up in it. The 18th is really the only hole that uses the quarry as part of shot value where you can bite off as much as you can chew. I prefer this much more than the heres the hole and a quarry running up the left side approach. I think the course would have been better if they could have avoided having to actually go down into the quarry but what can you do I guess.

Overall, I enjoyed playing the course because like I said it's different from the other courses in the clublink line. Will it be one of the best in Canada, I personally don't think so. Will it be one of the best in Ontario, again I personally don't see it. Will it be a unique course people will want to play? Of course, especially because of it's relatively close proximity, but like I said, I feel that just in the clublink portfoliio courses like Rocky Crest, Heron Point, Greystone, King Valley and National Pines are all better than Wyndance not to mention some public courses like Eagle's Nest and Osprey Valley and in my books Wyndance doesn't really come out much more ahead or even on pace with Rattlesnake or Blue Springs.

Again, this is just my opinion.:)

I just played 4.46 with 3 members from Brampton today! They loved it.
You missed the Wind on Friday, I played a 98 from the Whites, today without much wind, much easier- 90 from the blues!
Your right the wind is a monser at WindyDance.
Lets play again, name the time. Are you coming to Mens night this week?:)

RB

I just played today (from the blues) and I really enjoyed my round mostly because I was able to avoid the quasi pot bunkers. I would agree that the course is somewhat playable from a driving perspective but I would suggest that the approaches are very, very challenging. Make one mistake and you are potentially looking at a big number. It was not too windy today, but throw in a healthy one or two club wind and the course could become a real monster.

Some of the greens are huge!! 3 whacks are definitely possible. I think I will try the gold tees next time out. Should be fun.

Overall, an excellent test of golf and a must play for everyone who gets a chance.

[hamilton9977]

RB,

Yep, I'll be there.

Italfrank,

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Wyndance. I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I traditionally like to play very challenging golf courses and I will say that from the gold or shark tees this course stacks up against most if not all the courses that I've played (and I pretty much played them all including the ones you mentioned). You are right in saying that the course is "different" and I think that, in an of itself, will lead to a "love it or hate it" attitude with respect to the course. In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. From my perspective, I find this course to be a excellent and challenging test of golf and a joy to play. I think there will be many who would agree after they have played it.

[Frank101]

rbaker, thanks for your respons to my post, however, I would like to note that I was not comparing it to Station Creek. Actually, I never once mentioned Station Creek, so I don't really understand your point.

Hamilton, I agree with you. Like I said in my post it was my opinion. I'm sure many people will like the course as I'm sure some will not. I just gave my review. What I said was in no way a reflection of others opinions.

I think I am going to start putting a disclaimer at the end of my posts.

[hamilton9977]

Italfrank,

No need for the disclaimer, everyone has and is entitled to thier opinion. What we all have in common though is a love for the game of golf no matter what course it is played upon.

[Frank101]

well said hamilton!

[rbaker]

No point, I just wanted to know your comparison of Wyndnace to your course, thats all.

RB

rbaker, thanks for your respons to my post, however, I would like to note that I was not comparing it to Station Creek. Actually, I never once mentioned Station Creek, so I don't really understand your point.

Hamilton, I agree with you. Like I said in my post it was my opinion. I'm sure many people will like the course as I'm sure some will not. I just gave my review. What I said was in no way a reflection of others opinions.

I think I am going to start putting a disclaimer at the end of my posts.

Yes, I agree I played again today, thats number 4 & its an hour drive.
I love it over there at Wyndance.
I think once it matures a bit it will toughen up, just as GlenCairn has as each year as progressed.
Until then I will enjoy the lower scores! not to say its easy. But if anyone does feel that, take note it wont get any easier then it is right now! its only going to get harder.

RB


quote=hamilton9977]RB,

Yep, I'll be there.

Italfrank,

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Wyndance. I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I traditionally like to play very challenging golf courses and I will say that from the gold or shark tees this course stacks up against most if not all the courses that I've played (and I pretty much played them all including the ones you mentioned). You are right in saying that the course is "different" and I think that, in an of itself, will lead to a "love it or hate it" attitude with respect to the course. In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. From my perspective, I find this course to be a excellent and challenging test of golf and a joy to play. I think there will be many who would agree after they have played it.[/quote]

[FORE Left]

I'm playing there on Monday and looking forward to it.

Took a look at the scorecard and find it interesting that the 2 par 5's on the front are the #1 and 3 handicaps and the 445 yd 6th hole is #5. Those par 5's must be pretty difficult.

I know its early, but any course hints (other than don't hit it in the bunkage)?

[focal]

I'm playing there on Monday and looking forward to it.

Took a look at the scorecard and find it interesting that the 2 par 5's on the front are the #1 and 3 handicaps and the 445 yd 6th hole is #5. Those par 5's must be pretty difficult.

I know its early, but any course hints (other than don't hit it in the bunkage)?

bombs away on the tee ball!! after that...I'll need to play it a few more times to learn

[rbaker]

[Double check your distance to hazourds & the green. It appears to the eye that everything is closer then it actually is!
Also try the "CATFISH Sandwich " in the Quarry Lounge.:)


quote=FORE Left]I'm playing there on Monday and looking forward to it.

Took a look at the scorecard and find it interesting that the 2 par 5's on the front are the #1 and 3 handicaps and the 445 yd 6th hole is #5. Those par 5's must be pretty difficult.

I know its early, but any course hints (other than don't hit it in the bunkage)?[/quote]

[focal]

[Double check your distance to hazourds & the green. It appears to the eye that everything is closer then it actually is!
Also try the "CATFISH Sandwich " in the Quarry Lounge.:)


catfish sandwich is awesome

the smoked pulled pork is good too and the ceasar.

The cobb salad is so so...

[rbaker]

mmm, Cobb Salad.
Chicken n Ribs mmmmmmmmmmmm

catfish sandwich is awesome

the smoked pulled pork is good too and the ceasar.

The cobb salad is so so...

[FORE Left]

[Double check your distance to hazourds & the green. It appears to the eye that everything is closer then it actually is!
Also try the "CATFISH Sandwich " in the Quarry Lounge.:)


quote=FORE Left]I'm playing there on Monday and looking forward to it.

Took a look at the scorecard and find it interesting that the 2 par 5's on the front are the #1 and 3 handicaps and the 445 yd 6th hole is #5. Those par 5's must be pretty difficult.

I know its early, but any course hints (other than don't hit it in the bunkage)?

Thanks for the info...catfish sandwich eh - done.

[bigbertha]

Played it today with some guests. Surprised to find out the range is still not open. Sat there for a 1.5 hr lunch, lol. Kind of feel sorry for my friends who have to shell out over $140 for the round, walking! The walk was something else as there is so much real estate to cover from green to next tee. I would let you guys decide how walkable this is. But I can tell you I generally walk and carry my own bag. I saw their new style push carts so I decided to try it. Even with that push cart I find it hard to walk. Wasted too much energy on the walk itself. To me this kind of a setup reminds me of Woodensticks down the street. I mean, it's kind of built with the cart riding golfer in mind in my opinion. Condition wise it's quite good for a brand new course, however, the course will benefit from a couple of seasons of maturing. The atmosphere is quite nice otherwise. Great patio for 19th hole relaxing. Overall a B+ for me at this point.;)

[rbaker]

[
We walk Wyndance without any regrets. However we are conditioned to walking courses. Your right its built with the Cart rider in mind, as is all courses these days. I find it an easier walk then KR,HP,BS& GR , CC among a few CL courses to mention.
Where are you a member?

RB

quote=bigbertha]Played it today with some guests. Surprised to find out the range is still not open. Sat there for a 1.5 hr lunch, lol. Kind of feel sorry for my friends who have to shell out over $140 for the round, walking! The walk was something else as there is so much real estate to cover from green to next tee. I would let you guys decide how walkable this is. But I can tell you I generally walk and carry my own bag. I saw their new style push carts so I decided to try it. Even with that push cart I find it hard to walk. Wasted too much energy on the walk itself. To me this kind of a setup reminds me of Woodensticks down the street. I mean, it's kind of built with the cart riding golfer in mind in my opinion. Condition wise it's quite good for a brand new course, however, the course will benefit from a couple of seasons of maturing. The atmosphere is quite nice otherwise. Great patio for 19th hole relaxing. Overall a B+ for me at this point.;)[/quote]

[3whack]

How many members does it have?

I have heard that the place is jammed with both Wyndance members and Clublink members from other places.

How long is it taking to get around the course?

[mimmo19]

Played it yesterday and it was jammed, period.

5 hour round, another typical day at ClubLink.

Great course and amazing conditions for a new course.

[rbaker]

Except for yesterday ( which I think MIMMO 19 should remember) will note was really one F... group holding up the whole course, its been 4.5

It is member foursomes with scattered guests &other CL singles for now.


RB

How many members does it have?

I have heard that the place is jammed with both Wyndance members and Clublink members from other places.

How long is it taking to get around the course?

[hamilton9977]

I've now played it three times and have not had a round over 4.5 hours which is fine with me. Having said that, it is easy to see that the course could get very slow if some players try to reach some of the par fives in two. Took a freind (4 handicap) from Emerald Hills yesterday and the when the wind picked up on the back nine, he said it plays harder than Carnasty which he recently had a chance to play. Just his opinion, but when the wind is up this course becomes very difficult. It's not as easy as everyone seems to think.

[Frank101]

lol..everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Wyndance, from someone who has played "Carnasty," obviously does NOT play as hard or is anywhere near it in quality wind or no wind.

[bigbertha]

RB, looks like you are the one man team here trying to give a response to everyone's opinion on your beloved home course. LOL. ;) I just joined Cherry Downs this year myself. I am playing WD again this coming Sunday and will for sure take a cart this time.

[
We walk Wyndance without any regrets. However we are conditioned to walking courses. Your right its built with the Cart rider in mind, as is all courses these days. I find it an easier walk then KR,HP,BS& GR , CC among a few CL courses to mention.
Where are you a member?

RB

quote=bigbertha]Played it today with some guests. Surprised to find out the range is still not open. Sat there for a 1.5 hr lunch, lol. Kind of feel sorry for my friends who have to shell out over $140 for the round, walking! The walk was something else as there is so much real estate to cover from green to next tee. I would let you guys decide how walkable this is. But I can tell you I generally walk and carry my own bag. I saw their new style push carts so I decided to try it. Even with that push cart I find it hard to walk. Wasted too much energy on the walk itself. To me this kind of a setup reminds me of Woodensticks down the street. I mean, it's kind of built with the cart riding golfer in mind in my opinion. Condition wise it's quite good for a brand new course, however, the course will benefit from a couple of seasons of maturing. The atmosphere is quite nice otherwise. Great patio for 19th hole relaxing. Overall a B+ for me at this point.;)[/QUOTE]

[rbaker]

A couple of my Buds joined CD this year. Do you walk CD? its a little long!
Enjoy, a cart is great if thats what you like. I eat to much to take a cart:rofl:

RB, looks like you are the one man team here trying to give a response to everyone's opinion on your beloved home course. LOL. ;) I just joined Cherry Downs this year myself. I am playing WD again this coming Sunday and will for sure take a cart this time.

[/quote]

Craig Loughry from the GAO got up last Thursday on the Podium at Wyndance and said our course will be rated among the "toughest" in Canada.
As this grows in it will be rerated and sloped. From the Sharks its estimated to be one of the hardest.

RB:eek:

[Rusty]

I played on Monday at twilight time. My impressions.

1. The landing areas for tee shots are generous, especially on the front nine. The landing areas are well defined; it is obvious where you should not hit it. Key to an enjoyable round is to pick the proper tee decks and have a solid tee shot.

2. In my opinion this is a "second shot" course because the greenside bunkers are deep and penal and the wind will always be a factor. Blue tee par fours are moderate in distance except for a couple of holes on the back nine. Blue tee par fives are all reasonable length with usually a SW to nine iron for the final approach. Long hitters off the blues can reach some in two; gold and shark tees will require pro-like length to do the same. Second shot hazards make it real risk-reward for gamblers.

3. Greens are huge - again, a reason why the second shot is most important. Approach shots to the wrong quadrant of the green will have a high probability of three whacks.

4. Deep greenside bunkers extract huge penalties while fairway bunkers are usually not in play, being well set back from the wide fairways. (Some exceptions exist like the mid-fairway bunker on two.)

5. The course can seem like it is playing easy but one mistake can ruin a good round. I was playing in very low wind - when it blows, the mistakes will be exagerrated in both magnitude and frequency.

6. I usually always walk, but rode yesterday as a concession to my girlfriend guest (who also usually walks). We were both glad we did because of the long treks from green to tee on several holes. But, unlike Blue Springs which we walked the day before, there are no "killer hills" which sap your leg strength. We did find that combining walkers and riders tended to bunch up groups because those long treks are much more quickly covered by carts compared to walkers. Hence, walkers were more often "out of position", i.e., just leaving the tee when the group in front was on the green. But, we had a four hour round as a twosome (starting at 5:20) even after waiting on at least 13 of 18 holes.

7. Obviously, as this course matures it will only get better. It will also play differently every day because the wind will always be a factor and can swirl in and out of the quarry and around the "chocolate drop" mounds. This is not a classic design but has a modern, manufactured feel to it. I was at times reminded of the Ocean Course at Kiawah (without the off shore breeze) and the sandhill courses of North Carolina. My girlfriend thought it looked like Tobacco Run - I agreed, but a more refined and classy version.

Would I like a steady diet of Wyndance? I don't think so. I prefer the more classic design of National Pines.

Rusty

[bigbertha]

You would gladly walk WD but not CD??? Aside from the long distance between some holes you are also looking at walking the whole course which in itself is 7100 yards (with elevation changes). CD from the tips is 6500 and change. Even with the elevation change I would choose to walk CD any day over WD!

A couple of my Buds joined CD this year. Do you walk CD? its a little long!
Enjoy, a cart is great if thats what you like. I eat to much to take a cart:rofl:



Craig Loughry from the GAO got up last Thursday on the Podium at Wyndance and said our course will be rated among the "toughest" in Canada.
As this grows in it will be rerated and sloped. From the Sharks its estimated to be one of the hardest.

RB:eek:[/QUOTE]

[FORE Left]

Like Rusty, I played "Wind-dance" yesterday @ twilight but was thankful that the the wind was not that much of an issue.

Off the golds, this course was a beast. Most of the gold tees were on the same deck as the tips, so, good drives were important, approach shots were long and short game skills were required. Find a bunker and think bogey right away. The par 3's were mostly over 200+ yards... fun.

I did really like the stadium-esque feel around the quarry and thought that condition wise - was better than Glencairn when it first opened.

Really enjoyed the course, the clubhouse and the atmosphere.

A definite must play again... and would recommend it to anyone.

4.5 hour round too - not bad.

How anyone gets around there without taking the mobile beer holder/cart is beyond me. The course is tough enough, take a cart and conserve your energy.

btw. I did give the Catfish sandwich a go... as advertised - thanks!

[rbaker]

I walk them all!! Except Grandview.

I think WY is an okay walk, BS & KR, ER- much tougher. WY is on the walkable list if your a walker!

RB:)

You would gladly walk WD but not CD??? Aside from the long distance between some holes you are also looking at walking the whole course which in itself is 7100 yards (with elevation changes). CD from the tips is 6500 and change. Even with the elevation change I would choose to walk CD any day over WD!



Craig Loughry from the GAO got up last Thursday on the Podium at Wyndance and said our course will be rated among the "toughest" in Canada.
As this grows in it will be rerated and sloped. From the Sharks its estimated to be one of the hardest.

RB:eek:[/quote]

Glad you enjoyed it all!

I think Rustys evaluation was perfect. Only I can have a steady diet of Wyndance. Then again with the wind , maybe some days not!

RB



Like Rusty, I played "Wind-dance" yesterday @ twilight but was thankful that the the wind was not that much of an issue.

Off the golds, this course was a beast. Most of the gold tees were on the same deck as the tips, so, good drives were important, approach shots were long and short game skills were required. Find a bunker and think bogey right away. The par 3's were mostly over 200+ yards... fun.

I did really like the stadium-esque feel around the quarry and thought that condition wise - was better than Glencairn when it first opened.

Really enjoyed the course, the clubhouse and the atmosphere.

A definite must play again... and would recommend it to anyone.

4.5 hour round too - not bad.

How anyone gets around there without taking the mobile beer holder/cart is beyond me. The course is tough enough, take a cart and conserve your energy.

btw. I did give the Catfish sandwich a go... as advertised - thanks!

[rbaker]

I heard from a reliable source that Wyndance will be announced this winter as "Clublinks" 4rth Prestige Level Club.

That will limit the amount of play it gets from Station Creek in particular which is inevidable once they start to open the tee sheets up a bit.

I can't wait:D

[hamilton9977]

Robert,

Interesting news. One thing I can "wait" for is the inevitable annual dues and F&B minimum increase that goes hand in hand with the prestige level.

I will say that I don't find the clubhouse to be a prestige level clubhouse. Don't get me wrong, it is very nice, I just don't think it compares to KV, RP or GS (well maybe not Greystone).

[rbaker]

[
A lot of People share some disappointment with the Clubhouse, including myself. It could have been bigger, by most of our expectations.:cool:
Keep in mind its only for an 18 hole membership really, so they weren't going to build it as big as GlenCairn or Rattlesnake.

As far as the annual dues, your paying so much now- have a look.
Just a tid bit under rattlesnake. So in for a penny in for a pound.

I think it will depend largely on how they do with weddings, corporate events et. If it becomes popular on that front it will rank with CL head office.
Demographics would have it a no brainier, there is 1 in the East, and 2 in the west. SO it would even the keel a bit.
I shouldn't really want this! as most of my golf buddies are gold, so it would limit my wife and I playing with our friends! plus now that I think of it every time Station Creek has a tourney which is every other day it seems we will be stampeded as KV is currently.

So be it, we've sacrificed enough dough already for this- its all ours.


Wyndance will be the King.

RB
:cool:



quote=hamilton9977]Robert,

Interesting news. One thing I can "wait" for is the inevitable annual dues and F&B minimum increase that goes hand in hand with the prestige level.

I will say that I don't find the clubhouse to be a prestige level clubhouse. Don't get me wrong, it is very nice, I just don't think it compares to KV, RP or GS (well maybe not Greystone).[/quote]

[RobertThompson]

Played Wyndance this morning and will likely post a full blog review next week (which is looking like review week...). Full disclosure -- shot 77 from tees that looked to be five steps inside the tips on practically every hole. I thought it played a fair bit shorter than its yardage, though I'm still not sure why.
I generally thought it was solid, if slightly less spectacular than expected. Surely #8 and #12 were most visually interesting, with #11 and #18 offering a lot of options. #16 appeared to be the toughest of the bunch. Wide fairways, with landing areas often pinched, which I found unusual. The steep faced sod bunkers are great to look at, but difficult to get in -- I don't know why there aren't some ladders in some of them, but I suspect that will come in time.

All in all, solid. I don't understand the routing of #12 and #17, as I would have flipped them, to be honest and turned #12 to play the opposite direction. I also don't understand why there aren't more shots into the quarry -- and why they seem to have blown a lot of interesting land on the short course.

[sakimano]

rbaker, thanks for your respons to my post, however, I would like to note that I was not comparing it to Station Creek. Actually, I never once mentioned Station Creek, so I don't really understand your point.

Hamilton, I agree with you. Like I said in my post it was my opinion. I'm sure many people will like the course as I'm sure some will not. I just gave my review. What I said was in no way a reflection of others opinions.

I think I am going to start putting a disclaimer at the end of my posts.

What rbaker was TRYING to say with his Station Creek crack was ....

"You attack my home club, I attack yours...Station sucks!"

that's my interpretation...a little HCP. Home Course Pride from rbaker. Good on him for sticking up for Wyndance, and good on you, Italfrank for the thorough review. Truth be told, half of us will probably love it, the rest will either dislike it, or be indifferent. Only one way to find out...play it!

Of course, getting a tee time is FRIGGING IMPOSSIBLE! Booked till 5pm every day, every week. I'm a Heron Point member, and want to try Wyndance. I'll play the tips (whatever they're called) or any tee...even the reds...just want to play it. Anyone want to help me get out there? I'll even give you shots!

Cheers

I heard from a reliable source that Wyndance will be announced this winter as "Clublinks" 4rth Prestige Level Club.

That will limit the amount of play it gets from Station Creek in particular which is inevidable once they start to open the tee sheets up a bit.

I can't wait:D

That's interesting news. I think the pricing would indicate the same thing (70,000 initiation fee) however that's a good year away from now for sure. They usually reserve judgement till a course opens (i.e. Glencairn should have been platinum from day one, but had to wait a full year for an upgrade announcement).

Based on the reviews of Wyndance (mixed) I think this prestige upgrade will be deferred even further. Also remember...of the 4 closest clubs to Wyndance (Emerald(P), Station(G), Cherry(G), Diamondback(G)) they'd be cutting off all but Emerald members by making it prestige. Until there's another Platinum or Gold alternative in the East region, I don't think they'll take that step. This is what happened in the West region...Clublink said they wouldn't upgrade Glencairn to Platinum until they had another gold course in the region. When Board Of Trade was added, Glencairn's promotion soon followed.

[rbaker]

Emerald is Platinum! so they wont be cutt off.
I hope it doesn't happen, I have lots of Gold Club friends.
I might have a cancellation tommorow for 3.48 WY- ( Wednesday) are you in if so PM me and I will confirm the cancellation. One of my buddies is supposed to confirm or deny the time today some time.

Send me an email of your Member name to rbaker@premiumdisc.com




What rbaker was TRYING to say with his Station Creek crack was ....

"You attack my home club, I attack yours...Station sucks!"

that's my interpretation...a little HCP. Home Course Pride from rbaker. Good on him for sticking up for Wyndance, and good on you, Italfrank for the thorough review. Truth be told, half of us will probably love it, the rest will either dislike it, or be indifferent. Only one way to find out...play it!

Of course, getting a tee time is FRIGGING IMPOSSIBLE! Booked till 5pm every day, every week. I'm a Heron Point member, and want to try Wyndance. I'll play the tips (whatever they're called) or any tee...even the reds...just want to play it. Anyone want to help me get out there? I'll even give you shots!

Cheers



That's interesting news. I think the pricing would indicate the same thing (70,000 initiation fee) however that's a good year away from now for sure. They usually reserve judgement till a course opens (i.e. Glencairn should have been platinum from day one, but had to wait a full year for an upgrade announcement).

Based on the reviews of Wyndance (mixed) I think this prestige upgrade will be deferred even further. Also remember...of the 4 closest clubs to Wyndance (Emerald(P), Station(G), Cherry(G), Diamondback(G)) they'd be cutting off all but Emerald members by making it prestige. Until there's another Platinum or Gold alternative in the East region, I don't think they'll take that step. This is what happened in the West region...Clublink said they wouldn't upgrade Glencairn to Platinum until they had another gold course in the region. When Board Of Trade was added, Glencairn's promotion soon followed.

[sakimano]

Emerald is Platinum! so they wont be cutt off.


that's what I mentioned "they'd be cutting off all but Emerald members "

thanks for the offer. I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, and will follow up on return.

cheers!

[rbaker]

Those Pot Bunkers ruined me yesterday. I need to come out backwards or sideways next time!:help:

Has any one noticed the GAO is down lately ( RE Score Posting):confused:

[Weirfan]

I have spoken to a few people that have played it and as was staed ....the feelings are quite mixed...one loved it ( but he is a member there) and the 2 others were not really impressed .

the course is new and so I am sure needs some time to fill in etc...I drove by it yesterday on my way to Royal Ashburn...stopped on the side of the road to have a peek ....looks a bit rough around the edges but looks like a course I want to play.

should be able to get out this fall with a member..will post a review then

[rbaker]

Why werent they impressed? It is a unique design with lots to look at.

:confused:


I have spoken to a few people that have played it and as
was staed ....the feelings are quite mixed...one loved it ( but he is a member there) and the 2 others were not really impressed .

the course is new and so I am sure needs some time to fill in etc...I drove by it yesterday on my way to Royal Ashburn...stopped on the side of the road to have a peek ....looks a bit rough around the edges but looks like a course I want to play.

should be able to get out this fall with a member..will post a review then

[planet]

Played Wyndance Sunday, here are some of my observations:

-The holes in view of the quarry (#8 - #18) have a fairly unique look by GTA standards, although I've heard Eagles Nest has a similar look. Reminds me a little of the Sand Hills courses in North Carolina (Tobacco Road in particular).

-Greens are in quite good condition for a new course, and putted with pretty decent speed. The one thing I noticed is the lack of back to front slope (generally speaking) which made the greens very unreceptive. Our group had several "good" approach shots that ended up with us chipping back from behind the greens. Combined with the firmness of the greens (because they're new?), this made scoring a challenge.

-Agree with Robert Thompson's routing comments re #12, #17.

-Range is good, short game area is not open yet. I'm told it should be a couple more weeks.

-Academy course at the center of the quarry (under construction) looks very interesting. Look forward to playing it.

Overall impression is that it is one of the better Clublink courses in the system, that should get better with age. Clubhouse is nice but unspectacular, which is fine by me.

Forgot to order the catfish sandwich. Next time!

[Frank101]

hey planet,
I agree with alot of what you said except for Wyndance having a similar look to Eagles Nest. IMO, Eagles Nest is a MUCH better look and a much better course, so if your ever debating playing Eagles Nest or Wyndance definitely don't pass on the opportunity.

[RCCHGA]

[quote=rbaker][
A lot of People share some disappointment with the Clubhouse, including myself. It could have been bigger, by most of our expectations.:cool:
Keep in mind its only for an 18 hole membership really, so they weren't going to build it as big as GlenCairn or Rattlesnake.quote=hamilton9977]

Apparently CL already realizes that they got the clubhouse wrong and plan a major rework before it goes Prestige.

[planet]

hey planet,
I agree with alot of what you said except for Wyndance having a similar look to Eagles Nest. IMO, Eagles Nest is a MUCH better look and a much better course, so if your ever debating playing Eagles Nest or Wyndance definitely don't pass on the opportunity.

Heard many GREAT things about Eagles Nest so I don't doubt what you say at all. I'm a big fan of Doug Carrick golf courses (especially Osprey Valley Heathlands). Being a Clublink member however, I don't anticipate paying the bucks to get out to other courses though.

Eagles Nest would be at the top of the list, if/when I do play elsewhere.

[rbaker]

Funny, why wouldn't they do it right the first time. Its fine by my standards.
I hope it stays platinum, all of my buds are Gold!
It is going Prestige isn't it? I keep hearing that. Its cerainly worthy.:)

RB


[quote=rbaker][
A lot of People share some disappointment with the Clubhouse, including myself. It could have been bigger, by most of our expectations.:cool:
Keep in mind its only for an 18 hole membership really, so they weren't going to build it as big as GlenCairn or Rattlesnake.quote=hamilton9977]

Apparently CL already realizes that they got the clubhouse wrong and plan a major rework before it goes Prestige.

[sakimano]

I still haven't played it, but a friend did. He's very picky, and plays lots of good courses. He's also a pretty good player at a 3 handicap.

He thinks its excellent. Not going to rehash his ramblings, but he thinks its very solid, and opined that if it weren't 100km from Oakville, we'd be playing there regularly.

Cheers

[Markus_Maximus]

Hi guys,
New member here, so this is my first post.
I'm a member at Wyndance with a 10.8 index (12 hdcp - blue).

I've played it about a dozen times and the more I do, the more I love it. The greens are really starting to firm up and putts are rolling like more typical Clublink greens now. Fairly quick, with many subtle undulations.. and the fact that they are so large really makes a good read important for the first putt, or you'll be looking at a long come-back to avoid the 3-putt.

I have to say as a group, all four of the par-3's are visually the nicest I've seen on a course. There are all very challenging (esp. from the golds) and you really have to hit 3 great shots to get your par.

The key to scoring well is in your approach shots. Missing the green or finding a pot bunker is almost always a guaranteed bogey or worse. Getting up and down is very difficult here.

The moral of the story is that you really need to see it for yourself. I love it.

..M..

PS. I won B-flight at Club-C this past weekend.. :) :) :)

[focal]

2nd viewing last week was MUCH better than my first impression when the course opened...I have my 3rd visit coming up friday....I know about the quality of the 2nd/approach shots + greens at this course and I'm using it as my final prep for my CC this weekend at NP

[rbaker]

Great Work at the Club C- are you the guy who beat Rick M.

RB:)


Hi guys,
New member here, so this is my first post.
I'm a member at Wyndance with a 10.8 index (12 hdcp - blue).

I've played it about a dozen times and the more I do, the more I love it. The greens are really starting to firm up and putts are rolling like more typical Clublink greens now. Fairly quick, with many subtle undulations.. and the fact that they are so large really makes a good read important for the first putt, or you'll be looking at a long come-back to avoid the 3-putt.

I have to say as a group, all four of the par-3's are visually the nicest I've seen on a course. There are all very challenging (esp. from the golds) and you really have to hit 3 great shots to get your par.

The key to scoring well is in your approach shots. Missing the green or finding a pot bunker is almost always a guaranteed bogey or worse. Getting up and down is very difficult here.

The moral of the story is that you really need to see it for yourself. I love it.

..M..

PS. I won B-flight at Club-C this past weekend.. :) :) :)

[Markus_Maximus]

No. I think Rick was in the Championship Flight.

The really interesting thing from last weekend is that there were lots of big scores on some holes. I saw lots of 9's, several 10's, 11's, and a couple 12's and a 14 (and these are in the lower handicap flights).

[rbaker]

Thats a lot of stress! causing those numbers.
Plus there is lots of counting going on instead of " give me a double"

:eek:

No. I think Rick was in the Championship Flight.

The really interesting thing from last weekend is that there were lots of big scores on some holes. I saw lots of 9's, several 10's, 11's, and a couple 12's and a 14 (and these are in the lower handicap flights).

[hamilton9977]

I know who posted the 14 (I won't mention his name but he did it on 8). I felt much better given that I started the day with a 10 on number 1. There were alot of high scores in the championship flight but then again we were playing from the golds and the pins were all tucked on both days. I started out well (shooting par on the front nine on the first day) but things went downhill from there. Wyndance can definitely bite you if your driver isn't working and your approaches are even slightly off. Anyone who thinks this is an easy course needs to play it from the golds or shark tees because it is a totally different golf course from those tees (particularly when it is windy - which it always is).

There were alot of very good golfers who were humbled that weekend (myself included).

cheers guys.

[rbaker]

On number 8? thats a Par 3- Brutal

I find it tough enough from the Blue Tees.......:help: I took an 11 from the White Tees on hole #1 Opening Day.




I know who posted the 14 (I won't mention his name but he did it on 8). I felt much better given that I started the day with a 10 on number 1. There were alot of high scores in the championship flight but then again we were playing from the golds and the pins were all tucked on both days. I started out well (shooting par on the front nine on the first day) but things went downhill from there. Wyndance can definitely bite you if your driver isn't working and your approaches are even slightly off. Anyone who thinks this is an easy course needs to play it from the golds or shark tees because it is a totally different golf course from those tees (particularly when it is windy - which it always is).

There were alot of very good golfers who were humbled that weekend (myself included).

cheers guys.

[Bellyhungry]

Played Wyndance Saturday....Here are some thoughts and observations:

- Was surprised to see Top Flite balls were used at the range, I was expecting NXT given that most prestigeous courses I've played distinguish themselves with better practice balls
- The practice putting green was the nicest I have seen in a long time
- I thought the club house was fine. I actually prefer it over those Disney-styled mansions oftenly found. But then again, I was just a guest
- I ended up scoring better than I expected - even birdying the infamous #8. This echos a lot of people's opinions that the course is playing easier than it looks: This is not a bad things for members, I imagine
- Played with a highly-ranked person there, so green fees were waived. Plus someone got a hole in one that day, so drinks were free afterward
- I thought those holes by the Quarry were Pebble Beach or Torrey Pine-esque without water: In my opinion, #12 has the best view
- Like many have opined before, I found the routing of 12 and 17 rather puzzling
- The fairway bunker/'crater'/'cold sore', or whatever they called it at #18 was very intriguing. Two of my playing partners had to extracate themselves out of it. The size of the 'crater' simply dwarfed them
- The decision to used hybrid bunkering is probably the result of a compromise in the design process. Though it might not appease the purist, but for the regular amateurs, it is like ordering surf n turf off the menu: you get to have both without making two visits
- To elevate the aesthetic of the course, I thought they could probably flood the Quarry (and forego the par 3 course) with shallow water and make an inland 'sea'
- After playing Eagle's Nest on Wednesday, it is inevitable to compare the two: Both have breath-taking views; The holes at WD are a lot more straight forward than those at EN; In term of scoring, 'Nest a lot tougher than 'Dance and requires the golfer to be more strategic off the tee

All in all, it was a very enjoyable experience.

[rbaker]

Nice review ! Bang on. Its nice to get a good review!



Rob


Played Wyndance Saturday....Here are some thoughts and observations:

- Was surprised to see Top Flite balls were used at the range, I was expecting NXT given that most prestigeous courses I've played distinguish themselves with better practice balls
- The practice putting green was the nicest I have seen in a long time
- I thought the club house was fine. I actually prefer it over those Disney-styled mansions oftenly found. But then again, I was just a guest
- I ended up scoring better than I expected - even birdying the infamous #8. This echos a lot of people's opinions that the course is playing easier than it looks: This is not a bad things for members, I imagine
- Played with a high-ranked person there, so green fees were waived. Plus someone got a hole in one that day, so drinks after were free afterward
- I thought those holes by the Quarry were Pebble Beach or Torrey Pine-esque without water: In my opinion, #12 has the best view
- Like many have opined before, I found the routing of 12 and 17 rather puzzling
- The fairway bunker/'crater'/'cold sore', or whatever they called it at #18 was very intriguing. Two of my playing partners had to extracate themselves out of it. The size of the 'crater' simply dwarfed them
- The decision to used hybrid bunkering is probably the result of a compromise in the design process. Though it might not appease the purist, but for the regular amateurs, it is like ordering surf n turf off the menu: you get to have a little bit of this and a little bit of that
- To elevate the aesthetic of the course, I thought they could probably flood the Quarry (and forego the par 3 course) with shallow water and make an inland 'sea'
- After playing Eagle's Nest on Wednesday, it is inevitable to compare the two: Both have breath-taking views; The holes at WD are a lot more straight forward than those at EN; In term of scoring, 'Nest a lot tougher than 'Dance and requires the golfer to be more strategic off the tee

All in all, it was a very enjoyable experience.

[Bellyhungry]

Nice review ! Bang on. Its nice to get a good review!

Rob

Love it or hate it...Wyndance is a must-play if are interested in golf course design.

[Clevelandfan]

Played yesterday, (finally got a tee time). Given the mediocre reviews, I wasn't much but was pleasantly surprised. From a pure routing and layout point of view was good, the views and the use of the quarry mainly as a backdrop were outstanding, really enjoyed the course. Shot much better than I thought I would (80) from blues with 2 double bogies.
Found the greens had a lot of subtle breaks, difficult to read, I would read breaking left and would putt and the ball would break right. Disagree with the par 5 on the front being #1 handicap, thought 16 should be #1 with OB all along the left and approach of mid/long iron to elevated green.

[rbaker]

16 is really number 1, they couldn't number it one because its on the back so its listed as 2.

Something like that!

I think 12 Par 3 shouldnt be 16!

its a tough shot to hit that green without going OB:)


Played yesterday, (finally got a tee time). Given the mediocre reviews, I wasn't much but was pleasantly surprised. From a pure routing and layout point of view was good, the views and the use of the quarry mainly as a backdrop were outstanding, really enjoyed the course. Shot much better than I thought I would (80) from blues with 2 double bogies.
Found the greens had a lot of subtle breaks, difficult to read, I would read breaking left and would putt and the ball would break right. Disagree with the par 5 on the front being #1 handicap, thought 16 should be #1 with OB all along the left and approach of mid/long iron to elevated green.