My most recent Beef!

[Focker Singh]

I get so frustrated when I play and the group ahead is waiting for the green to clear when they're 280 yards away only to waste all that wait time and hit the ball only 150 yards cause the guy chunked it or topped it. Especially when you can tell if they're a good golfer or not. If its downwind and a rather hazardless approach, I can understand someone wanting to get on the green in 2 on a par 5. Unless you're a really good golfer, most of us can't hit a fairway shot 280 yards accurately enough to go for it. Why do people feel like they must "go for it?". You can easily birdie a hole with a nice wedge from 100 out. Keep the pace of play going and stop trying to be Tiger and hitting 3 woods, 280 yards! My 2 cents.

[AnnikaFan]

i agree!
their excuse is always "i know most likely i won't reach it. But JUST IN CASE i do hit that awesome amazing shot"

[countclub]

I get so frustrated when I play and the group ahead is waiting for the green to clear when they're 280 yards away only to waste all that wait time and hit the ball only 150 yards cause the guy chunked it or topped it. Especially when you can tell if they're a good golfer or not. If its downwind and a rather hazardless approach, I can understand someone wanting to get on the green in 2 on a par 5. Unless you're a really good golfer, most of us can't hit a fairway shot 280 yards accurately enough to go for it. Why do people feel like they must "go for it?". You can easily birdie a hole with a nice wedge from 100 out. Keep the pace of play going and stop trying to be Tiger and hitting 3 woods, 280 yards! My 2 cents.its only because they think thier tiger/erni/phil/ or any other big hitter ,nothing will change until they get it into thier heads those shots are not for us.dumb&dumber on golf , hey that could be a movie / sitcom.:rofl: :rofl:

[962B]

I get so frustrated when I play and the group ahead is waiting for the green to clear when they're 280 yards away only to waste all that wait time and hit the ball only 150 yards cause the guy chunked it or topped it. Especially when you can tell if they're a good golfer or not. If its downwind and a rather hazardless approach, I can understand someone wanting to get on the green in 2 on a par 5. Unless you're a really good golfer, most of us can't hit a fairway shot 280 yards accurately enough to go for it. Why do people feel like they must "go for it?". You can easily birdie a hole with a nice wedge from 100 out. Keep the pace of play going and stop trying to be Tiger and hitting 3 woods, 280 yards! My 2 cents.
I'll agree and raise ya 2 cents.

[tjhayko]

280 is a long way for me, but I fairly often hold up when someone is just out of my normal range. I find it incredibly annoying to have a ball land within earshot while chipping or putting, so I try to avoid hitting one there on other people. Of course, once I hit I try to get out of the way as quickly as possible.

[pudubny]

280 is a long way for me, but I fairly often hold up when someone is just out of my normal range. I find it incredibly annoying to have a ball land within earshot while chipping or putting, so I try to avoid hitting one there on other people. Of course, once I hit I try to get out of the way as quickly as possible.

I see this problem pretty often as well. If you play Glen Cedars often, you see it all the time with #1 and #10 being par 5's that are reachable with a good tee shot.
I am fortunate enough to be able to hit the ball pretty good off the tee so I often try to reach par 5's in two. Mind you not from 280. But anything up to 245 I can reach with a good second shot. But if I want to wait I often wave up the players on the tee. I just watch for their ball or move under a tree. Usually by the time they have all hit I can make my approach shot and nobody is inconvenienced.
I agree that some players need to use better course management and be more realistic about their abilities. Some folks out there are never going to come within ten miles of shooting par so what they play for is the memory of the "great" shot. That once a year chance at eagle. So they take the heroic shot each time no matter how unqualified they may be to even attempt it.
That is what they enjoy about the game.
I not saying it the right attitude. I often get a laugh out of these guys.
I'm playing Glen Eagle a month ago with a guy who works at a golf course. On a par 5 he hits it right into the trees. He is 230 yards uphill from the pin and behind a dozen trees. He has one small area between the leaves to get his ball up and out. He has a better chance at winning the lottery than getting on the green and he very well may kill himself if he tops the ball into a tree trunk. But he waits and attempts the shot. The wait frustrated me because he just had no chance but I got a laugh at watching this guy take four more shots to get out of the trees. Each time he hit a tree he said, "I can't believe this".
But if he had made the shot he would still be talking about it.
I was one of those guys once. So I keep my mouth shut and have a chuckle.
Enjoy.
Pud.

[BdaGolfer]

Agree completely. As a general rule, if your tee shot was shorter than the 2nd shot you face, just lay up, you're not going to get there!

Alan

[Titan]

i agree!
their excuse is always "i know most likely i won't reach it. But JUST IN CASE i do hit that awesome amazing shot"
I was on the course with my Dad and a 2-some we were paird up with used this line. My Dad looked at them stoned faced and said "If you hit them I'll bandage them". I almost pissed myself laughing. (by they way they came up about 75 yards short)

[noback]

280 is a long way for me, but I fairly often hold up when someone is just out of my normal range. I find it incredibly annoying to have a ball land within earshot while chipping or putting, so I try to avoid hitting one there on other people. Of course, once I hit I try to get out of the way as quickly as possible.Totally agree with this. :D
For the extra minute of waiting your partners can hit or even letting the next group tee off is good. I'm not agreeing with this 280 out but for a more reasonable distances like 240-250 from the green, then wait.:cool:

[Shadow]

Totally agree with this. :D
For the extra minute of waiting your partners can hit or even letting the next group tee off is good. I'm not agreeing with this 280 out but for a more reasonable distances like 240-250 from the green, then wait.:cool: In a recent tournament we were playing a 300 yard, downwind, firm fairway, par 4. I indicated that I was going to wait until the green cleared so my FC asked if he could hit as he was only using a 3 wood. He hit the shot and when the ball landed, I noticed that a player on the green suddenly turned around so he obviously heard the ball land. The ball rolled on the firm fairway to a few feet off the fringe. When the green cleared, the three of us hit and two of the balls were green high.

Like the player on the green, when chipping or putting, I find it disconcerting (a)when I hear the shot hit from the tee, and then (b) am waiting for the thud of the ball to land, not knowing how close it is going to be. If there is any possibility that the ball will land near the players ahead, WAIT. The idea of letting the players from your tee hit up is an excellent one, providing you are not looking back into the sun.

[jsunsun]

this is a tough one... if you're trying to hit the green with the driver ~320 yards away, people waiting behind you mostly will be thinking "pfft, wtf? you're waiting for the green to clear??? you're no tiger woods" However, those in front of you on the green, in the case you do hit the 1 in 50 shot, the drive end up rolling through the green, group in front will be upset "why don't you just wait an extra minute???". of course most of us are not gonna carry 320 yards, if we reach 320, likely it will "roll" there, thus not gonna injure anyone. in this case, i'd say go for it. if it's a 1 in 50 chance you reach the green, better have the group in front of you be annoyed 1 in 50 times than the group behind you annoyed 49 of 50 times. but if you were gonna carry 260 to the green with a 3 wood, surely DON"T go for it and just wait for green to clear. better have people behind you be annoyed 49/50 times than knocking someone out on the green 1/50 times.

[Big Shooter]

of course, the irony is, that most of these "flukey" (is that a word?) BIG SHOTS, end up in the rough, and rarely do you see an Eagle or Birdie!

[Golftool]

of course, the irony is, that most of these "flukey" (is that a word?) BIG SHOTS, end up in the rough, and rarely do you see an Eagle or Birdie!
Funny thing about this - "Big Shots" - Big Shooter - are you putting yourself in that class?:D

[Big Shooter]

Funny thing about this - "Big Shots" - Big Shooter - are you putting yourself in that class?:D
um, yah, i guess, sort of!? (there, are you as CoNfUsEd as Me!?):confused:

[the_har]

i must add my 2 cents (if i may).

I've been on the recripocating end, where i end up waiting for the green to clear because i know i can land it on. then once it clears, what happens?????? I duff the shot to see it dribble a few yards ahead. ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

Nothing more embarrassing than that. Then you have the group behind you think you can't hit worth shi###tttt.:help: :help: :help: :help:

hate it when that happens

[Focker Singh]

i must add my 2 cents (if i may).

I've been on the recripocating end, where i end up waiting for the green to clear because i know i can land it on. then once it clears, what happens?????? I duff the shot to see it dribble a few yards ahead. ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

Nothing more embarrassing than that. Then you have the group behind you think you can't hit worth shi###tttt.:help: :help: :help: :help:

hate it when that happens
YEP, you are those people I laugh at and shake my head as I'm waiting to hit. :rofl:

[mikemakeitso]

YEP, you are those people I laugh at and shake my head as I'm waiting to hit. :rofl:
...and I right behind YOU... wondering, what the HECK are they laughing and WHY you don't hit your BALL off the tee... :D

[TourIQ]

if your tee shot was shorter than the 2nd shot you face, just lay up, you're not going to get there!
Alan
That is so true :) :rofl: :) :rofl:

Thanks Harry S
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[iyell4]

Especially when you can tell if they're a good golfer or not. .Please explain the criteria you use when judging one's golfing ability using visual inspection only. Does this only work on the course or for subjects in non-golf settings too?:)

[Greywolf]

That is so true :) :rofl: :) :rofl:

Thanks Harry S
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Ditto, the situation bugs me also. I know my limitations, 280 off the fairway is impossible for me unless the ball gets an assist from the cartpath. There are many golfers who really have no idea how far they hit the ball.

[Faemow]

Does it really friggin take 3 hours to play 9 holes!!!! I left after nine, never again!!!! Fortunately, the gurl in the group in front was nice to look at, so 3 hrs with her, not so bad.;)

[Golfbum]

At my course there is a Par 4 that measures 305, not a long par 4, but it has a nasty green!

Rule of thumb with us that have driven it in the past. When the flag is pulled we tee it up and hit because not many of us can fly it 305 in the air dead at the flag! I have driven that green a few times this year and the ball always rolled on. Only once was I close to the pin and the guys ahead had just put the flag back in the cup when my ball rolled on the green.


I see the same thing as others, 275 from the green and waiting for it to clear! OK so is that Ernie Els up ahead of us? I play with some good golfers, low single digit handicaps and I have not seen too many of them who can carry the ball 275 in the air off the deck:)


But some people just feel they can do that, so they wait. If I feel I can reach the par 5 in two I do wait, however I will wave at the guys on the tee, let them hit and then hit my shot. That way they are not standing around waiting for my foursome to move on.

[framer]

if someone can hit the ball 300yards , then they should wait, if not hit,

let me tell you, you don,t wan,t me teeing off if your on the green 280 yards away. but i do understand your frustation, the problem is, people don't know there own game. in most cases it won't speed things up anyways, you will just have to wait on the next tee.

[iyell4]

i must add my 2 cents (if i may).
I've been on the recripocating end, where i end up waiting for the green to clear because i know i can land it on. then once it clears, what happens?????? I duff the shot to see it dribble a few yards ahead. ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
Nothing more embarrassing than that. Then you have the group behind you think you can't hit worth shi###tttt.:help: :help: :help: :help:
hate it when that happens
Seriously ... what yardages were you lookin' at?
Were you >300 yards away and honestly thought you could reach it with driver-of-the-deck or a de-lofting stinger draw using your 3 wood?
It's times like that when I wished my power cart had a horn for me to honk!:)

[slicendice]

I'm coming in at the tail end of this - but another thing to consider is that not only do many people not know how far they can hit, but they don't know how far is far - what I mean is - they still can't judge distance.

I'm very new to this so I still have a hard time judging how far 250 yards is - thankfully I make a point of playing with people who do - so it's not a big deal, and I'm learning.

If you're playing with someone who displays this inability - speak up and tell him to hit!

Cheers.

[iyell4]

another thing to consider is that not only do many people not know how far they can hit, but they don't know how far is far - what I mean is - they still can't judge distance.
.excellent point! you're right. the guy in front of you might be waiting to hit because he knows from his practice at the range (if you can trust the yardage markers at the range) that he can crush it 150 yards consistently with his 3 wood (170 yards w/ roll).

The problem might be he could actually be 250 yards away from the flag and think (misjudgment) that he is 150 yards away.

A good pair of Bushnell's or accurate GPS might resolve this.

[Carlton]

When I'm with folks just learning to play or somewhat new, you can tell after the first couple holes roughly what their abilities are. If we're at a point where I know they have little chance of reaching the next group ahead and I see them contemplating whether or not they'll hit them, sometimes I'll chime in, "I think it's safe to hit. They're a long way ahead of us..." I don't say it in a condacending way, just nice and friendly like and sure enough, it gets them hitting and moving along. For the beginners, keep an eye out for the yardage markers. If you see the blue 200yrd marker way way way in front of you, chances are you're not gonna hit the group ahead on the green unless you're very luckly naturally gifted and hit's them long and straight all the time.

I'll just add, don't judge players by the way they look. Observe them for a hole or so before passing judgement. I've seen an older, more stout than stocky guy in a group in front of me waiting to hit. His practice swings looked horrid. The group in front were like 280 yrds in front of him. I'm thinking, why is this idiot waiting to hit? He's never gonna reach them. Sure enough, the group ahead clears, the guy rips one down the fairway with hist short jerky swing and lands the ball just past where the other group were hitting from. That opened my eyes.

I get that same treatment sometimes on some courses. I'm a skinny 5'10" guy and marshalls sometimes tell me to go ahead and hit when the group ahead are 260yrds or so out. ACK! One hole on Bathurst Glen last year (the one before the 260yrd par3 I think) I'm waiting on the tee box. The group is on the fairway 100yrds from being on the green. The marshall tells me to hit. I tell him, I'm gonna hit the guys in front. He looks me over and says, "They're a long way out. You won't hit them! We need to keep things moving 'cause we're backing up." I looked at the guy and said, "Are you willing to take full responsibility if I do hit them?" The group eventually clears and I hit my drive 60yrds from the green. The marshall just says, "Have a good round" and drives off.

I'm just saying, don't be too quick to jugde other players at first just by their looks but 280yrds from the green... yeah, unless your name ends with Woods, Els, Kuehne, Daly, Hend, Wetterich... hit the damn ball! LOL

[iyell4]

marshalls sometimes tell me to go ahead and hit when the group ahead are 260yrds or so out. that's just plain dangerous. if the course marshal was pressuring me like that i'd probably opt for my 3 wood which'll roll up the group in front of me instead of hitting 'em on-the-fly square in the back. .. for safety-sakes. :)

[Big Shooter]

I think eye-exams should be part of the hiring-process for marshals!
...or at least equip them with some sort of yardage readers?!

[Carlton]

For 345yrds I should be hitting 3wood but unfortunately for me, my 3wood is my Achilles' heel. Some days I can hit it good and other days I have to play a fade or a draw. I hit my driver pretty straight or worse a light 10yrd fade but it's a lot more predictable than my 3wood. I think I'll have to spend a couple range sessions just working on that 3wood.

[iyell4]

For 345yrds I should be hitting 3wood but unfortunately for me, my 3wood is my Achilles' heel. .
Cleveland COMP460 9.5° w/ Aldila NV75S
TM V-Steel 13°T/S w/ Purple Ice V85S
TM RescueMid 19° w/ Rifle Hybrid 5.5
TM 2004 RAC TP CB 3-PW w/ ProjectX 5.5
Cleveland 588 51° w/ Rifle Spinner 5.5
Titleist SpinMilled Vokey 56.10 w/ Rifle 5.5
Scotty Cameron SS Newport 2 35"
Ball: Nike ONE Platinum/BridgeStone B330

What is the yardage gap you have between your 3wood and your TM RescueMid 19* w/ Rifle Hybrid 5.5?

[Carlton]

My 3wood is around 230yrds and 19°RescueMid is about 210yrds.

[skippy]

First thing to do to speed up play is...dont let Farmboy use his driver!

[Thimble]

but you should wait if you CAN reach, right? even if you're more likely to duff it? it shouldn't have anything to do with skill level...

[Titan]

As much as it pisses off the guys behind you or the peopled your paired up with I would wait. If it is reall slow and I know the guys are waiting behind are getting pissy I will opt to layup then wedge on oppose to blasting a 220+ (assuming the long ball is working that day) to the green.

but you should wait if you CAN reach, right? even if you're more likely to duff it? it shouldn't have anything to do with skill level...

[tjhayko]

but you should wait if you CAN reach, right? even if you're more likely to duff it? it shouldn't have anything to do with skill level...

I think you should wait if you can reach. I'd hate to be reciept of the ball to the head in the case where the guy behind me gets off his once every year shot that carries fair enough to kill somebody.

[Carlton]

Even had I tried to lay up with the 3wood, I think it would be uncomfortably close to the group in front. If there's a backup on the teebox I'm on, I'll usually say hi to the other group, joke around a bit with them and they're usually at ease and not pushing and they know it's not my group that's holding them back.

If you know you can potentially (in all honesty) reach any golfer in front of you then wait. Safety first...

[iyell4]

If there's a backup on the teebox I'm on, I'll usually say hi to the other group, joke around a bit with them and they're usually at ease and not pushing and they know it's not my group that's holding them back.
... jeah, misery loves company ... esp. if you have two groups waitin' with your group on the teebox.

[Carlton]

... jeah, misery loves company ... esp. if you have two groups waitin' with your group on the teebox.
Yep, and that says something about marshalls not getting things moving in the groups ahead.

[TourIQ]

I get that same treatment sometimes on some courses. I'm a skinny 5'10" guy and marshalls sometimes tell me to go ahead and hit when the group ahead are 260yrds or so out. ACK! One hole on Bathurst Glen last year (the one before the 260yrd par3 I think) I'm waiting on the tee box. The group is on the fairway 100yrds from being on the green. The marshall tells me to hit. I tell him, I'm gonna hit the guys in front. He looks me over and says, "They're a long way out. You won't hit them! We need to keep things moving 'cause we're backing up." I looked at the guy and said, "Are you willing to take full responsibility if I do hit them?" The group eventually clears and I hit my drive 60yrds from the green. The marshall just says, "Have a good round" and drives off.
Hi Carlton

I remember taking my oldest boy to a different course. He was 15 at the time and his 3rd year of playing. When we get to #10 the marshall asks if we would mind playing with a senior couple. We said that is ok. The lady goes to hit first from the forward tees while her husband is getting a hotdog. She tells my son to hit with her. I said why, he never plays the forward tees and he can keep up just fine. She said a club rule, if you are younger than 16 you play the forward tees. I said sorry, but he is hitting with the guys.

He cranks his drive about 280 yards and that was the end of that.

[Carlton]

Hi Carlton
He cranks his drive about 280 yards and that was the end of that.
Welcome to my world. :D

I was at the Markham Golf Dome outdoor range one time this summer and saw this young kid, no older than 16yrs, setting up on the mat next to me. At first you wouldn't think much looking at his appearance (about 5'8", 140lbs). Holy cr@p can this kid crank it out there! Sure as heck gave me a wake up call... if I had only started when I was younger was all I can think of at the time. That kid's got some serious game! Must've been your son. LOL

[iyell4]

She said a club rule, if you are younger than 16 you play the forward tees..In these cases, please don't shoot the messenger, she's just a club member doing her best to ensure all abide by the club rules. I'm sure if you were wearing your cap backwards she'd respectfully as you to aim the peak forward again, 'club rules' ... not her rules.;) Of course you can just ignore her.

And if you chose to select which club rules you want to follow and which ones you don't want to follow, that's your choice.

[backnine39]

I get so frustrated when I play and the group ahead is waiting for the green to clear when they're 280 yards away only to waste all that wait time and hit the ball only 150 yards cause the guy chunked it or topped it. Especially when you can tell if they're a good golfer or not. If its downwind and a rather hazardless approach, I can understand someone wanting to get on the green in 2 on a par 5. Unless you're a really good golfer, most of us can't hit a fairway shot 280 yards accurately enough to go for it. Why do people feel like they must "go for it?". You can easily birdie a hole with a nice wedge from 100 out. Keep the pace of play going and stop trying to be Tiger and hitting 3 woods, 280 yards! My 2 cents.
What's the use? Those people wll only blame the "Wait" for topping or chunking their shots. Legends in their own minds. If they only knew, their tee shots with their Driver didn't even go 280 yards! Now, they miraculously will hit one with their 3 woods? Sheesh!

[Carlton]

It's the "But what if I really hit it perfect?" scenerio. If Tiger can clear 280yrds with his 3wood, anybody can! :$

[iyell4]

It's the "But what if I really hit it perfect?" scenerio. If Tiger can clear 280yrds with his 3wood, anybody can! :$
jeah, .... after all he is a mortal ... ain't he?:)

[Carlton]

If he can get sick from his wife's cooking... he's mortal! :D