Tiger WTF....?

[Bwadd]

Just an observation....

I understand Tiger and his how focused he is on winning etc.... his intensity blah blah blah.....

He hits a third shot out of a greenside bunker on 17 at the Accenture Match Play against Cink on the first round of 2. His up 4 and he hits a bunker shot and does not do so well and then hits the sand and throws his club at Stevie and the bag.... soooo lame! Up 4 against a very average player. Now....

Yesterday he hit a shot out of the waste area and before he hit the shot they asked him if he wanted to remove the stake and string infront of him that keep the fans off the course and he elected not to and then hit the stake with his ball when he made his shot... I'm not sure if anyone else noticed maybe it was overlooked or maybe it was someone beside him, but it looked like Tiger walked up to the stake picked it up was talking with Stevie and then threw it down at the ground very close to the fans almost hitting them, NOW.... it looked like Tiger did it, but I do stand to be corrected!

I just think he takes this frustration thing to the next level..... my opinion... I'm sure I will get assaulted for this by the TIGER fans but it's lame to watch, you rarely see players freak out, and for the world #1 with a billion dollars, who wins almost every tourney he plays... blah blah he loves to play on the edge... whatever... it's my opinion and very very lame to watch!!

You see players who struggle through Q school or the Nationwide that mess around and shoot 80's on the final round etc... and they do not react like that!

lamo!!! hahahahha

Let's hear it..... :rofl:

[Richard]

It may not be right, but when you are the best you get away with 5h1t like that.

[Bwadd]

well Put!!

[TourIQ]

Just an observation....

I understand Tiger and his how focused he is on winning etc.... his intensity blah blah blah.....

He hits a third shot out of a greenside bunker on 17 at the Accenture Match Play against Cink on the first round of 2. His up 4 and he hits a bunker shot and does not do so well and then hits the sand and throws his club at Stevie and the bag.... soooo lame! Up 4 against a very average player. Now....

I just think he takes this frustration thing to the next level..... my opinion.. whatever... it's my opinion and very very lame to watch!!

You see players who struggle through Q school or the Nationwide that mess around and shoot 80's on the final round etc... and they do not react like that! :rofl:Hi Bwadd

I think it is pathetic to act like a little kid with very little self control after a bad shot. Then there is the constant F-Bombs he verbally throws out too. I gave a 15 year old kid heck once in front of his father for taking a hissy after losing a playoff on the 3rd hole. I told the kid he will be a great player when he gets older and more mature but control your emotions if you want to keep improving. He didn't act in a gentleman fashion.

My investment guy told me of an accident he had last year which he broke his shoulder. Playing golf with one of his best friends, the guy proceeds to 3 putt then without looking throws the golf ball up in the air to hit it off the course with his putter. Only thing wrong is his friend is 3 feet away and he clobers him over the back and breaks his shoulder. He is ok now a year later but they are not friends today. Total range and inches away from putting the guy 6 feet under.

[sliceisnice]

maybe just maybe the other players should try and be so intense and they might end up with a better result IMO.Or is the money finishing 10th to 15th eight or nine times a year all they strive for which makes a for a very comfortable life with little or no stress IMHO !:rolleyes:

[Merlot]

maybe just maybe the other players should try and be so intense and they might end up with a better result IMO.Or is the money finishing 10th to 15th eight or nine times a year all they strive for which makes a for a very comfortable life with little or no stress IMHO !:rolleyes:

You have to admit that it's a little lame. I wouldn't say it's NOT one of the reasons he is so good o rother players could use some more intensity but it really isn't necessary is it? He would be even better if he didn't act like a poor sport so often. I think he forgets sometimes that there are other people invovled in the sport. :eek:

Jack didn't act like that and it wouldn't be accurate to say he isn't argueably the best ever and didn't play without alot of intensity.

Lets not confuse intensity with plain old bad behavior. Not once in awhile but all the time really isn't acceptable. The intensity expalnation is really just a plain old excuse. IMHO

Plain an dsimple, his parents allowd him to act like that when he was young and he continues now. This isn't anything new if you watched him play as a amateur.

The best I have ever seen Tiger behavior when golf is involved was when he was on the Mike Douglas show.:rolleyes: :rofl:

[Yeo_JL]

just to comment on the original post of tiger getting angry on his bunker shot vs. cink.....i think your outlook on this is more on the hatoration side than anything....

it's because of this intensity that you dislike that separates tiger from the rest....he doesn't let up...if anything, when he's in front, he doesn't want to win by just one stroke, he wants to send a message to everyone out there that he IS no.1 and there's nothing anyone can do about it....

for him to let up his intensity is stupid....it's his tough mental prowess that makes him as good as he is.....and to say that amateurs who shoot 80's and don't behave like him justifies your point is wrong...if they were too 'serious' on each shot, they'd have heart attacks after each round 'cause their game is just not good enough.....

what i would agree with is that tiger does swear too much on the course which is not good for those little kids who idolize him....so in that respect, he should watch his language.....and perhaps a little less club throwing is a good thing to....

but to point fingers at him 'cause he wants to annihilate the field is so ridiculous....why even open the smallest door for your opponents to win a tournament....if they could do what tiger does on a daily basis, they'd win tournaments by double-digit margins as well....but the bottom line is that they can't.....

so don't hate on tiger 'cause he's that good......perhaps you should be hating on your players that you're routing for but aren't living up to your expectations....don't take it out on tiger.....

[davevandyk]

Just an observation....

I understand Tiger and his how focused he is on winning etc.... his intensity blah blah blah.....

He hits a third shot out of a greenside bunker on 17 at the Accenture Match Play against Cink on the first round of 2. His up 4 and he hits a bunker shot and does not do so well and then hits the sand and throws his club at Stevie and the bag.... soooo lame! Up 4 against a very average player. Now....

Yesterday he hit a shot out of the waste area and before he hit the shot they asked him if he wanted to remove the stake and string infront of him that keep the fans off the course and he elected not to and then hit the stake with his ball when he made his shot... I'm not sure if anyone else noticed maybe it was overlooked or maybe it was someone beside him, but it looked like Tiger walked up to the stake picked it up was talking with Stevie and then threw it down at the ground very close to the fans almost hitting them, NOW.... it looked like Tiger did it, but I do stand to be corrected!

I just think he takes this frustration thing to the next level..... my opinion... I'm sure I will get assaulted for this by the TIGER fans but it's lame to watch, you rarely see players freak out, and for the world #1 with a billion dollars, who wins almost every tourney he plays... blah blah he loves to play on the edge... whatever... it's my opinion and very very lame to watch!!

You see players who struggle through Q school or the Nationwide that mess around and shoot 80's on the final round etc... and they do not react like that!

lamo!!! hahahahha

Let's hear it..... :rofl:

not that i condone Tiger's actions, but he is the only guy that you see every one of his shots and post-shot reactions to every shot. Just because you don't see the others guys in the field "react" to bad shots doesn't mean they aren't a lot worse than Tiger... and believe me i have been at tourneys live and there are players worse than Tiger!! He is under a microscope and you see EVERYTHING that he does, just like a celebrity. Again, i do not accept the way he acts some times on the course, but until you see all of the shots and reactions that happen from everybody in a tournament, i don't think you can say that Tiger is the worst out there.

[Merlot]

just to comment on the original post of tiger getting angry on his bunker shot vs. cink.....i think your outlook on this is more on the hatoration side than anything....

it's because of this intensity that you dislike that separates tiger from the rest....he doesn't let up...if anything, when he's in front, he doesn't want to win by just one stroke, he wants to send a message to everyone out there that he IS no.1 and there's nothing anyone can do about it....

for him to let up his intensity is stupid....it's his tough mental prowess that makes him as good as he is.....and to say that amateurs who shoot 80's and don't behave like him justifies your point is wrong...if they were too 'serious' on each shot, they'd have heart attacks after each round 'cause their game is just not good enough.....

what i would agree with is that tiger does swear too much on the course which is not good for those little kids who idolize him....so in that respect, he should watch his language.....and perhaps a little less club throwing is a good thing to....

but to point fingers at him 'cause he wants to annihilate the field is so ridiculous....why even open the smallest door for your opponents to win a tournament....if they could do what tiger does on a daily basis, they'd win tournaments by double-digit margins as well....but the bottom line is that they can't.....

so don't hate on tiger 'cause he's that good......perhaps you should be hating on your players that you're routing for but aren't living up to your expectations....don't take it out on tiger.....

Again, intensity and bad behaviour are not the samething. I like Tiger and want him to win the Grand Slam this year. Put he acts poorly. maybe its something that will come with age for both. It's imature.

There have been many other greats of the game and other spots that were super intense but didn't act as Tiger does or not nearly as often.

not that i condone Tiger's actions, but he is the only guy that you see every one of his shots and post-shot reactions to every shot. Just because you don't see the others guys in the field "react" to bad shots doesn't mean they aren't a lot worse than Tiger... and believe me i have been at tourneys live and there are players worse than Tiger!! He is under a microscope and you see EVERYTHING that he does, just like a celebrity. Again, i do not accept the way he acts some times on the course, but until you see all of the shots and reactions that happen from everybody in a tournament, i don't think you can say that Tiger is the worst out there.

Very good point.

[goshawk]

Come on guys.....do you really think he's the only pro on tour that lets the "F" word fly a couple of times per round? He's the one you see because, as Dave said, he gets the lion's share of air time. At all of the tour events I've been to, just about every player lets the WTF fly somewhere in their round. They're just not on camera.
On the other hand, I do think Tiger should curb this because he KNOWS he's on camera and it's just not good for the kids he loves so much. Don't go trying to teach kids about sportsmanship and proper etiquette while you're flipping clubs at the bag. As the Brits say, it's just not proper form.

[Merlot]

Come on guys.....do you really think he's the only pro on tour that lets the "F" word fly a couple of times per round? He's the one you see because, as Dave said, he gets the lion's share of air time. At all of the tour events I've been to, just about every player lets the WTF fly somewhere in their round. They're just not on camera.
On the other hand, I do think Tiger should curb this because he KNOWS he's on camera and it's just not good for the kids he loves so much. Don't go trying to teach kids about sportsmanship and proper etiquette while you're flipping clubs at the bag. As the Brits say, it's just not proper form.

I stand corrected. I believe he is good enough and a little 'curbing' wouldn't affect much. Maybe he just needs to be nudged by someone who he truly respects.

There are a few guys who don't swear though. I don't think Lehman or Pavin swear much if at all. Two extremely intense players.

[Haps]

My investment guy told me of an accident he had last year which he broke his shoulder. Playing golf with one of his best friends, the guy proceeds to 3 putt then without looking throws the golf ball up in the air to hit it off the course with his putter. Only thing wrong is his friend is 3 feet away and he clobers him over the back and breaks his shoulder. He is ok now a year later but they are not friends today. Total range and inches away from putting the guy 6 feet under.

Apples != Oranges

The above story is worlds apart from someone being made at themselves for performing poorly. It is an individual game and you have to hold yourself accountable for your perfomance. Hence I can undertsand a person's anger, frustration, and dissapointment in a performance they don't believe is up to their ability.

[dbelletrutti]

If Tiger is acting in "bad behaviour" or being immature, than I hope my son grows up to be just like him. Tiger is a role-model for any aspiring golfer, he works hard, practices hard, and is always pushing himself to be better. He's an intense individual, a perfectionist who gets irked when he hits a bad shot. So what. As other people said, he's not the only guy to drop the ocassional f-bomb, he just gets caught every time it happens because the networks only show tiger during coverage. But honestly, who here hasn't got upset over a shot. The guy isn't helicoptering his 4-iron down the fairway, or throwing his putter in the lake. He's human, he gets upset once in a while. Bottom line, he plays to win, and thats ok with me. He seems to be doing a pretty good job of it.

[sliceisnice]

If Tiger is acting in "bad behaviour" or being immature, than I hope my son grows up to be just like him. Tiger is a role-model for any aspiring golfer, he works hard, practices hard, and is always pushing himself to be better. He's an intense individual, a perfectionist who gets irked when he hits a bad shot. So what. As other people said, he's not the only guy to drop the ocassional f-bomb, he just gets caught every time it happens because the networks only show tiger during coverage. But honestly, who here hasn't got upset over a shot. The guy isn't helicoptering his 4-iron down the fairway, or throwing his putter in the lake. He's human, he gets upset once in a while. Bottom line, he plays to win, and thats ok with me. He seems to be doing a pretty good job of it.

HEAR HEAR:clap:

[Chambokl]

Great post... dbelletrutti

I can't believe these guys, 5 days of great golf and all they remember is him throwing his club to his caddy and Tiger (maybe it was someone beside him) might have thrown down a picket. Not even sure if it was him...

Come on guys, talk about the 50+ really nice shots he made. What about his long putts. He played 7 X 18 holes. You guys don't have a clue how hard this is to concentrate for that long for 5 straight days....

Congrat Tiger for another excellent week-end...

[Andru]

Just an observation....

I understand Tiger and his how focused he is on winning etc.... his intensity blah blah blah.....

He hits a third shot out of a greenside bunker on 17 at the Accenture Match Play against Cink on the first round of 2. His up 4 and he hits a bunker shot and does not do so well and then hits the sand and throws his club at Stevie and the bag.... soooo lame! Up 4 against a very average player. Now....

Yesterday he hit a shot out of the waste area and before he hit the shot they asked him if he wanted to remove the stake and string infront of him that keep the fans off the course and he elected not to and then hit the stake with his ball when he made his shot... I'm not sure if anyone else noticed maybe it was overlooked or maybe it was someone beside him, but it looked like Tiger walked up to the stake picked it up was talking with Stevie and then threw it down at the ground very close to the fans almost hitting them, NOW.... it looked like Tiger did it, but I do stand to be corrected!

I just think he takes this frustration thing to the next level..... my opinion... I'm sure I will get assaulted for this by the TIGER fans but it's lame to watch, you rarely see players freak out, and for the world #1 with a billion dollars, who wins almost every tourney he plays... blah blah he loves to play on the edge... whatever... it's my opinion and very very lame to watch!!

You see players who struggle through Q school or the Nationwide that mess around and shoot 80's on the final round etc... and they do not react like that!

lamo!!! hahahahha

Let's hear it..... :rofl:

Who cares. I go to PGA tour events every year at least 2. Can Open and PGa Championship. other players throw their clubs at the bags, curse, stomp, and get frustrated. They're just not in contention every week and don't have a camera on them every minute of the round.

This is really a very limited and short sighted post compared to reality.

I can't believe I responded to this nonsense.

[landlord]

Continuing in the who-cares department, I don't care how many pros do it or how common it is. Open displays of anger on a golf course are still bad form, bad manners, and really bad acting whether you're a pro, weekend duffer, or wannabe. Not to mention childish.

The more I had cameras on me, the more I'd figure out how to behave.

As for the other half of the premise, I also don't care if Tiger piles on birdie after birdie. He's got a right. Let the other guys catch up.

[Bwadd]

I love the Pro Tiger Fans... LOL

Relax guys this is a discussion board...."Discussion"!!

Nobody is knocking Tiger for his intensity, his accomplishemnts as a golfer, or what he has contributed to society. This is my opinion as a fan of the PGA. I personally did not really watch the final round because it was terrible... not to take anything away from Cink but WOW what a lame match... boring as all hell and then to top it all off to watch Tiger act like a child was pathetic... In my opinion... it was his 3rd shot on a par 5 and Cink was not in any better of a position and he throws his clubs.... all you Tiger die hards can make as many excuses as you want and bring up all that he does and what he has achieved.. who cares! Fact is, he is up 4 and he ended up with 2 shots for PAR... ohhh noooo the horror!

Andru - Chill out man.... Just because I am not PRO TIGER, does not mean I am not entitled to my opinion.... LOL

I love posting these topics against Tiger... LOL The FANS get upset... !!! :rofl:

[davevandyk]

I am actually an anti-Tiger fan than a Tiger fan, i just thought your post was hilarious so i had to respond. With all due respect as i have never met you, who are you to call someone's behaviour childish Bwadd?? Its not like he goes out intentionally thinking "I'm gonna swear 8 times today" it just sometimes comes out in the heat of the moment, when he is worried about the golf game, not what people think about his words/actions. I can think of a lot worse things he could do than swear, that's for sure.

People seem to think you can turn off the competitive nature when you are up by a few shots/holes like Tiger was on Sunday... that doesn't happen. I know when i was big in competing in golf/hockey when you are up by 3 you want to be up by 4 with all your might, once you let the intensity up... it is nearly impossible to get it back. I think a guy "dropping the f-bomb" when he is up by 6 tells me more than a guy who does it when he is down by 2!

Really if we have come to a point where we are complaining about a golfer's language on the course, then he must be doing pretty good on the course!

For all the druggies/drunks/cheaters in our sports today, i think we should be pretty proud of the fact that the best golfer in the world has to deal with swearing on the course, as his biggest downfall as a role model!!

[golf nut]

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I love posting these topics against Tiger... LOL The FANS get upset... !!! :rofl:

Most of us don't get upset at all, we look at the source of the post.

[gatsby]

:cookoo: Gee, I thought he showed pretty good restraint for having a mike near stuck up his butt the whole week, and a cameras from every angle. including the blimp. I cannot imagine coping with that type of pressure and performing at the level he does. It must be apparent that no one else can do it as well. I always laugh at the anti Tiger comments. I see the colour green. every time one of you comments on some petty point without looking at the whole situation.

[dannyl]

Spoiled little rich kid!!!!

Just an observation....

I understand Tiger and his how focused he is on winning etc.... his intensity blah blah blah.....

He hits a third shot out of a greenside bunker on 17 at the Accenture Match Play against Cink on the first round of 2. His up 4 and he hits a bunker shot and does not do so well and then hits the sand and throws his club at Stevie and the bag.... soooo lame! Up 4 against a very average player. Now....

Yesterday he hit a shot out of the waste area and before he hit the shot they asked him if he wanted to remove the stake and string infront of him that keep the fans off the course and he elected not to and then hit the stake with his ball when he made his shot... I'm not sure if anyone else noticed maybe it was overlooked or maybe it was someone beside him, but it looked like Tiger walked up to the stake picked it up was talking with Stevie and then threw it down at the ground very close to the fans almost hitting them, NOW.... it looked like Tiger did it, but I do stand to be corrected!

I just think he takes this frustration thing to the next level..... my opinion... I'm sure I will get assaulted for this by the TIGER fans but it's lame to watch, you rarely see players freak out, and for the world #1 with a billion dollars, who wins almost every tourney he plays... blah blah he loves to play on the edge... whatever... it's my opinion and very very lame to watch!!

You see players who struggle through Q school or the Nationwide that mess around and shoot 80's on the final round etc... and they do not react like that!

lamo!!! hahahahha

Let's hear it..... :rofl:

[BowmanvilleJim]

Golf is often touted as a gentlemans game and we expect players to behave accordingly. Tiger has approached golf as if it is a sport like others where fitness and intensity are required if you want to be the best. In other sports foul language, hissy fits and cheating are not just common but expected.

Tiger is able to control his mind to focus like no other player in golf has ever done. He can control his swing like no other player has ever done. Why can't he control his outbursts like MANY other great players have done?

Poor behaviour from an adult is a choice.

[cldale]

I think the intensity that he displays is part of why he is #1, agree with everyone else who writes that. He never takes his foot from your throat, you can say thats poor sportsmanship, but how many times have you seen someone left for dead come back to win in a sporting event. Tiger never wants to be the guy on the losing end of that comeback.

Also, tiger is trying to hit each shot perfect regardless of who he plays, or what the situation is. So I doubt the thought of "I can hit a bad shot because I am up 4 to an average player" occurs to him at all.

That said, the language is inexcusable, in poor taste, and should be penalized by the PGA tour whenever anyone does it. I wonder which part of the FirstTee program teaches kids to talk like tiger ?

[imAnewbie]

lol so what if he used foul languages? who doesnt???? can you name me one? it just so happens the camera is always on tiger. Talking about lead ROLES and MODELS? ummmm how do you classify HOCKEY? pls enlighten me :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[hogannut]

just to comment on the original post of tiger getting angry on his bunker shot vs. cink.....i think your outlook on this is more on the hatoration side than anything....

it's because of this intensity that you dislike that separates tiger from the rest....he doesn't let up...if anything, when he's in front, he doesn't want to win by just one stroke, he wants to send a message to everyone out there that he IS no.1 and there's nothing anyone can do about it....

for him to let up his intensity is stupid....it's his tough mental prowess that makes him as good as he is.....and to say that amateurs who shoot 80's and don't behave like him justifies your point is wrong...if they were too 'serious' on each shot, they'd have heart attacks after each round 'cause their game is just not good enough.....

what i would agree with is that tiger does swear too much on the course which is not good for those little kids who idolize him....so in that respect, he should watch his language.....and perhaps a little less club throwing is a good thing to....

but to point fingers at him 'cause he wants to annihilate the field is so ridiculous....why even open the smallest door for your opponents to win a tournament....if they could do what tiger does on a daily basis, they'd win tournaments by double-digit margins as well....but the bottom line is that they can't.....

so don't hate on tiger 'cause he's that good......perhaps you should be hating on your players that you're routing for but aren't living up to your expectations....don't take it out on tiger.....

Exactly true. THe best of the best always take no prisoners in their approach to the game. THis is why they end up being the best. If you think of ANY sport, and the elite come to mind within that sport they all have one common link, which is they are relentless in their pursuit of being the best.

Maybe it is because golf is an individual sport and is a game for "gentlemen" that Tiger stands out so much, who knows. All I know is he is WAY more intense out there than anyone else, and ironically more sucessful than anyone else.

Tiger goes to golf torunaments to WIN, not to be a nice guy. Just like Hogan in his era the fashion in which Tiger dominates his opponents should not be up to us the golf fan to pass juggement on, it is simply the way he does it, and over the last decade he has proven over and over again that this intensity wins golf tournaments.

I didn't see the particular incident so cannot make a comment on it, but for all the good TIger does on and off the course perhaps we could give him a break for a momentarly lapse of reason.

Yesterday I was watching some of the match play and Tiger was walking down the fairway and spat. My mother was all grossed out and offended that he spat on TV. I suggested she might want to "blame" the TV camera truck instead, as Tiger was simply walking down the fairway and had no idea of whether or not the camera was on him at that moment.

I think we the fan have unrealistic expecatations of what todays athletes should do as athletes. Politicians and lawyers are not as scrutinized as some athletes these days.

[imAnewbie]

I think we the fan have unrealistic expecatations of what todays athletes should do as athletes. Politicians and lawyers are not as scrutinized as some athletes these days.

Amen:D

[Golden Bear]

While I agree with the original post that Tiger's temper tantrums are annoying, and he can be an awful suck, I also agree with a later poster who said (and I've said this myself, too) that if this sort of thing is the worst thing that Tiger does, that's pretty good. So I don't care all that much.

Tiger doesn't have the class of a Palmer or Nicklaus or Nelson, and I can't imagine Tiger ever walking up to someone who'd just beaten him in a playoff at a major and putting his arm around him and grinning, but that doesn't put a "minus" in Tiger's column, for me. It just means he lacks certain "plusses" that other greats possessed.

[Andru]

I love the Pro Tiger Fans... LOL

Relax guys this is a discussion board...."Discussion"!!

Nobody is knocking Tiger for his intensity, his accomplishemnts as a golfer, or what he has contributed to society. This is my opinion as a fan of the PGA. I personally did not really watch the final round because it was terrible... not to take anything away from Cink but WOW what a lame match... boring as all hell and then to top it all off to watch Tiger act like a child was pathetic... In my opinion... it was his 3rd shot on a par 5 and Cink was not in any better of a position and he throws his clubs.... all you Tiger die hards can make as many excuses as you want and bring up all that he does and what he has achieved.. who cares! Fact is, he is up 4 and he ended up with 2 shots for PAR... ohhh noooo the horror!

Andru - Chill out man.... Just because I am not PRO TIGER, does not mean I am not entitled to my opinion.... LOL

I love posting these topics against Tiger... LOL The FANS get upset... !!! :rofl:

I'm just saying. if you're going to post an opinion it should be somewhat fair. I don't really care about Tiger personally. I've never been invited to board his 180 foot tug boat. I'm just pointing out the truth. He doesn't behave better or worst than any other player. There's just more people watching.

As for this moral superior crowd, I've been in this debate before and decided to spend some time reading, talking to old pros and things haven't changed that much. Tiger may be more emotional than Jack but it was a different time. Very different. The 50's - 60's you couldn't say the world 'Dammit' and rest assured Jack said "dammit" on more than a few occasions. Barely any cameras to catch it. I've heard Arnold Palmer say. "Oh Dammit" on a bad shot at senior events. It sounds constrained in 2008. but you have to remember in his days that word was a as bad as Phook and Sheeeeet.

[golfpal]

I am not one way or the other but as originally posted you know your on TV, you know kids are watchng and idolizing you and unfortuunately your setting an example. I would say he should try and curb his language or actions as everyone should. There may be moments when you can't as intense as he is but it doesn't mean because it's Tiger and he is great he should swear or do whatever he wants. It is still public eye and it should be refrained upon no matter who we are talking to. If he is golfing alone not in tournament do what you want but once your in the public eye you then need to set examples I don't care if your Tiger. He shouldn't do that especially for the kids. He sets a bad example to up and comers as previously stated and he is now a role model I know it may be not right but he can use any word or express anger without loosing control, throwing clubs escpecially when your up that much and use any other words if he chooses. Obviously Jack could do it I'm sure he wanted to say lots of curse words but didn't as it would look bad on him. Same scenario there is no need for it. Just an opinion and probably no one agrees because it's Tiger but I agree with original post.:eek:

[just123123]

I am not one way or the other but as originally posted you know your on TV, you know kids are watchng and idolizing you and unfortuunately your setting an example. I would say he should try and curb his language or actions as everyone should. There may be moments when you can't as intense as he is but it doesn't mean because it's Tiger and he is great he should swear or do whatever he wants. It is still public eye and it should be refrained upon no matter who we are talking to. If he is golfing alone not in tournament do what you want but once your in the public eye you then need to set examples I don't care if your Tiger. He shouldn't do that especially for the kids. He sets a bad example to up and comers as previously stated and he is now a role model I know it may be not right but he can use any word or express anger without loosing control, throwing clubs escpecially when your up that much and use any other words if he chooses. Obviously Jack could do it I'm sure he wanted to say lots of curse words but didn't as it would look bad on him. Same scenario there is no need for it. Just an opinion and probably no one agrees because it's Tiger but I agree with original post.:eek:

Would you consider Wayne Gretzky to be a role model? Should I go on?...
Intensity is intensity no matter the sport. Just take look behind the Coyotes bench after a "bad call" and read Wayne's lips.

Have you ever said the "F" word under your breath? No one hears it but from 30 feet away i can still read your lips.
We've all done it and ocasionally will continue to do it....even those of us who have kid's. (Where the real role models should be.)

[Andru]

I am not one way or the other but as originally posted you know your on TV, you know kids are watchng and idolizing you and unfortuunately your setting an example. I would say he should try and curb his language or actions as everyone should. There may be moments when you can't as intense as he is but it doesn't mean because it's Tiger and he is great he should swear or do whatever he wants. It is still public eye and it should be refrained upon no matter who we are talking to. If he is golfing alone not in tournament do what you want but once your in the public eye you then need to set examples I don't care if your Tiger. He shouldn't do that especially for the kids. He sets a bad example to up and comers as previously stated and he is now a role model I know it may be not right but he can use any word or express anger without loosing control, throwing clubs escpecially when your up that much and use any other words if he chooses. Obviously Jack could do it I'm sure he wanted to say lots of curse words but didn't as it would look bad on him. Same scenario there is no need for it. Just an opinion and probably no one agrees because it's Tiger but I agree with original post.:eek:

My last comment on this. I have the entire final day on pvr. And I haven't seen or heard this "bad example" he's setting. Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality.

Tiger's impact on kids is overwhelmingly positive. Let's see.

- Work Hard
- Don't do drugs
- Focus on your goals
- Believe in yourself
- Always respect your opponent
- Give back to Charity
- put your family first
- respect and love your parents
- Perform to the best of your abilities
- Judge ppl by the content of their character hmm.

What a terrible example to set for kids. ( sarcasm at it's worst but seems to fit in with the exagerated claims of doom because Tiger gets caught cursing from time to time )

[Bwadd]

"Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality. "

This happens every day to the likes of Phil, Vijay, Rory, Sergio etc.... Ohh that's right we have to excuse Tiger from list because he's ummm Tiger... ya right! He is no different from any of the other top 10 in the world excpet for amount of wins! They all have Charities and they all do good stuff for their respective communities etc.... not what we are talking about.

I think all the Die hard Tiger fans are so wrapped up with him and what he does the forget that at the end of the day he is a normal person like everyone else and he is a golfer like everyone else, and I choose not to jump on the Tiger wagon!

I am tired of reading all the articles and threads world wide about all the other golfers and what they do and dont do and the stories about Vijay not signing autographs, or Phil being fake, or Weir being mean to a fan... blah blah blah, but ohh no nobody say anything about Tiger!

I never once disputed what he has done for golf, and what he continues to do, I just don't enjoy it. It sucks having to turn the TV on on a Sunday on my nice LCD with HD and watch Tiger leading by 8 strokes.. boooring!

Actually yesterday's win was so lob-sided that the Television Broadcasting lost millions! There was over 1 hr of alotted air time that they could not account for because Cink was a terrible match up and Tiger assaulted him. Who whants to watch that, and on top of it he throws his club at his bag because he is 4 up and has 2 putts at par.. LOL Lame!

It was soooo sad to watch Cink in an interview at the end of the match LMAO. I think it was MArk Rolfing... anyways he says straight up... "How does it feel Teeing off knowing he is better than you and that he will inevitabley beat you"... HAHAHAHHA, something along those lines and Cink agreed with him... LOSER!

[hogannut]

"Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality. "

This happens every day to the likes of Phil, Vijay, Rory, Sergio etc.... Ohh that's right we have to excuse Tiger from list because he's ummm Tiger... ya right! He is no different from any of the other top 10 in the world excpet for amount of wins! They all have Charities and they all do good stuff for their respective communities etc.... not what we are talking about.

I think all the Die hard Tiger fans are so wrapped up with him and what he does the forget that at the end of the day he is a normal person like everyone else and he is a golfer like everyone else, and I choose not to jump on the Tiger wagon!

I am tired of reading all the articles and threads world wide about all the other golfers and what they do and dont do and the stories about Vijay not signing autographs, or Phil being fake, or Weir being mean to a fan... blah blah blah, but ohh no nobody say anything about Tiger!

I never once disputed what he has done for golf, and what he continues to do, I just don't enjoy it. It sucks having to turn the TV on on a Sunday on my nice LCD with HD and watch Tiger leading by 8 strokes.. boooring!

Actually yesterday's win was so lob-sided that the Television Broadcasting lost millions! There was over 1 hr of alotted air time that they could not account for because Cink was a terrible match up and Tiger assaulted him. Who whants to watch that, and on top of it he throws his club at his bag because he is 4 up and has 2 putts at par.. LOL Lame!

It was soooo sad to watch Cink in an interview at the end of the match LMAO. I think it was MArk Rolfing... anyways he says straight up... "How does it feel Teeing off knowing he is better than you and that he will inevitabley beat you"... HAHAHAHHA, something along those lines and Cink agreed with him... LOSER!

All is fair in love and war......or even golf.

TIger's job, like every other PGA player is to win golf tournaments. If the way in which he wins doesn't interest you (or anyone else) there are numerous other channels to watch. Heck.....there were even other golf tournaments to watch too. He is not there to "entertain" he is there to win, which he has done more often than anyone else in history who is only 32 years old.

Perhaps Stewart Cink (and everyone else) needs to work on their game and actually give the guy some competition. Why should it be Tigers respsonsibility to keep it "interesting". I will also say that NO ONE on the PGA tour would want Tiger to stop trying because if and when someone does beat him they want to know in their hearts that they beat him fair and square.

[Andru]

"Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality. "

This happens every day to the likes of Phil, Vijay, Rory, Sergio etc.... Ohh that's right we have to excuse Tiger from list because he's ummm Tiger... ya right! He is no different from any of the other top 10 in the world excpet for amount of wins! They all have Charities and they all do good stuff for their respective communities etc.... not what we are talking about.

I think all the Die hard Tiger fans are so wrapped up with him and what he does the forget that at the end of the day he is a normal person like everyone else and he is a golfer like everyone else, and I choose not to jump on the Tiger wagon!

I am tired of reading all the articles and threads world wide about all the other golfers and what they do and dont do and the stories about Vijay not signing autographs, or Phil being fake, or Weir being mean to a fan... blah blah blah, but ohh no nobody say anything about Tiger!

I never once disputed what he has done for golf, and what he continues to do, I just don't enjoy it. It sucks having to turn the TV on on a Sunday on my nice LCD with HD and watch Tiger leading by 8 strokes.. boooring!

Actually yesterday's win was so lob-sided that the Television Broadcasting lost millions! There was over 1 hr of alotted air time that they could not account for because Cink was a terrible match up and Tiger assaulted him. Who whants to watch that, and on top of it he throws his club at his bag because he is 4 up and has 2 putts at par.. LOL Lame!

It was soooo sad to watch Cink in an interview at the end of the match LMAO. I think it was MArk Rolfing... anyways he says straight up... "How does it feel Teeing off knowing he is better than you and that he will inevitabley beat you"... HAHAHAHHA, something along those lines and Cink agreed with him... LOSER!

I have no idea what this rant had to do with my comment.

I agree all the stories about Phil, VJ, Weir etc are just as ridiculous. However the thread is about Tiger and I was responding to the ridiculous notion that he's harmful to kids watching him because he gets caught cursing on camera. I was simply pointing out some of the good things.

[cldale]

lol so what if he used foul languages? who doesnt???? can you name me one? it just so happens the camera is always on tiger. Talking about lead ROLES and MODELS? ummmm how do you classify HOCKEY? pls enlighten me :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I wouldn't take my little kids to a hockey game for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the violence.

Tennis fines its players for on-court language. Why can't golf?

[Bellyhungry]

Hook, line, and sinker...you got what you wished for....

[davepratt]

Tennis fines its players for on-court language. Why can't golf?

They do get fined but the fines are kept secret. I remember when Weir kicked the CBS microphone off the tee and into the bushes at the Canadian Open the official told me he would be fined. I'm not sure why they are kept secret but they are.

[Merlot]

lol so what if he used foul languages? who doesnt???? can you name me one? it just so happens the camera is always on tiger. Talking about lead ROLES and MODELS? ummmm how do you classify HOCKEY? pls enlighten me :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Some guys like Lehman and Pavin may not swear. They are very intense players or have been. Steve Jones doesn't either I believe. Not 100% sure but they are fairly religous. It's not in thier nature anyway after watchin gthem play for many years.

All is fair in love and war......or even golf.

TIger's job, like every other PGA player is to win golf tournaments. If the way in which he wins doesn't interest you (or anyone else) there are numerous other channels to watch. Heck.....there were even other golf tournaments to watch too. He is not there to "entertain" he is there to win, which he has done more often than anyone else in history who is only 32 years old.

Perhaps Stewart Cink (and everyone else) needs to work on their game and actually give the guy some competition. Why should it be Tigers respsonsibility to keep it "interesting". I will also say that NO ONE on the PGA tour would want Tiger to stop trying because if and when someone does beat him they want to know in their hearts that they beat him fair and square.

Just wondering what exactly acting somewhat childish more often then most regardless of camera coverage have to do with trying?

I might have gotten confused reading the posts. Apologies if so.

[quote=Bwadd]"Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality. "

This happens every day to the likes of Phil, Vijay, Rory, Sergio etc.... Ohh that's right we have to excuse Tiger from list because he's ummm Tiger... ya right! He is no different from any of the other top 10 in the world excpet for amount of wins! They all have Charities and they all do good stuff for their respective communities etc.... not what we are talking about.

I think all the Die hard Tiger fans are so wrapped up with him and what he does the forget that at the end of the day he is a normal person like everyone else and he is a golfer like everyone else, and I choose not to jump on the Tiger wagon!

I am tired of reading all the articles and threads world wide about all the other golfers and what they do and dont do and the stories about Vijay not signing autographs, or Phil being fake, or Weir being mean to a fan... blah blah blah, but ohh no nobody say anything about Tiger!

I agree. There definitely is some merit to this statement.To deny this is ignorant or biased or both. Ignorant meaning not knowing not rude or stupid.

Exactly true. THe best of the best always take no prisoners in their approach to the game. THis is why they end up being the best. If you think of ANY sport, and the elite come to mind within that sport they all have one common link, which is they are relentless in their pursuit of being the best.

Maybe it is because golf is an individual sport and is a game for "gentlemen" that Tiger stands out so much, who knows. All I know is he is WAY more intense out there than anyone else, and ironically more sucessful than anyone else.

Tiger goes to golf torunaments to WIN, not to be a nice guy. Just like Hogan in his era the fashion in which Tiger dominates his opponents should not be up to us the golf fan to pass juggement on, it is simply the way he does it, and over the last decade he has proven over and over again that this intensity wins golf tournaments.

I didn't see the particular incident so cannot make a comment on it, but for all the good TIger does on and off the course perhaps we could give him a break for a momentarly lapse of reason.

Yesterday I was watching some of the match play and Tiger was walking down the fairway and spat. My mother was all grossed out and offended that he spat on TV. I suggested she might want to "blame" the TV camera truck instead, as Tiger was simply walking down the fairway and had no idea of whether or not the camera was on him at that moment.

I think we the fan have unrealistic expecatations of what todays athletes should do as athletes. Politicians and lawyers are not as scrutinized as some athletes these days.

If you really give it some thought, needing to act that way to play well is a definite weakness if it's his only one.

While I agree with the original post that Tiger's temper tantrums are annoying, and he can be an awful suck, I also agree with a later poster who said (and I've said this myself, too) that if this sort of thing is the worst thing that Tiger does, that's pretty good. So I don't care all that much.

Tiger doesn't have the class of a Palmer or Nicklaus or Nelson, and I can't imagine Tiger ever walking up to someone who'd just beaten him in a playoff at a major and putting his arm around him and grinning, but that doesn't put a "minus" in Tiger's column, for me. It just means he lacks certain "plusses" that other greats possessed.

RIGHT ON! No, he does not have the class. That's not really important anymore in life anyway is it. So I guess it's right not to care.

[sloniu260]

Hey BWADDDDDD...you should know a thing or 2 about throwing clubs!!:rofl: LMFAO!!!

[rgk5]

A philosophical question for you. What is the difference between Tiger swearing on the course and someone titling a post with WTF in a public discussion forum? We all know what it really means.

I fail to see a major difference.

[sliceisnice]

Why don't we all just sit back and take it all in and remember we are watching history being made here. how lucky is that we were able to watch Wayne,Michal and now tiger in their prime. i think later in life this will be special memories to look back on enjoy it .and remember you saw it happen how great is that :)

[Merlot]

A philosophical question for you. What is the difference between Tiger swearing on the course and someone titling a post with WTF in a public discussion forum? We all know what it really means.

I fail to see a major difference.

I missed the point? What does that have to do with professionals acting badly on the golf course, national TV in front of women and children etc...? :confused:

[golf nut]

A philosophical question for you. What is the difference between Tiger swearing on the course and someone titling a post with WTF in a public discussion forum? We all know what it really means.

I fail to see a major difference.

There is no difference, it's like using the "N" word.or the "C" word.we all know what it means.

[rgk5]

There is no difference, it's like using the "N" word.or the "C" word.we all know what it means.

That is exactly my point. We often set standards for our icons, heroes, role models, that we blatantly ignore in our own personal behaviour. I am just as guilty as anyone else.

It is a double standard we should all work to improve.

[Bwadd]

Bwahahhahahahahha

What does my swearing have to do with Tiger and his lame on the course behaviour... I fail to see the similarities.. sorry!

[just123123]

"Not only is this blown out of proportion, the social impact your claiming is not reality. "

This happens every day to the likes of Phil, Vijay, Rory, Sergio etc.... Ohh that's right we have to excuse Tiger from list because he's ummm Tiger... ya right! He is no different from any of the other top 10 in the world excpet for amount of wins! They all have Charities and they all do good stuff for their respective communities etc.... not what we are talking about.

I think all the Die hard Tiger fans are so wrapped up with him and what he does the forget that at the end of the day he is a normal person like everyone else and he is a golfer like everyone else, and I choose not to jump on the Tiger wagon!

I am tired of reading all the articles and threads world wide about all the other golfers and what they do and dont do and the stories about Vijay not signing autographs, or Phil being fake, or Weir being mean to a fan... blah blah blah, but ohh no nobody say anything about Tiger!

I never once disputed what he has done for golf, and what he continues to do, I just don't enjoy it. It sucks having to turn the TV on on a Sunday on my nice LCD with HD and watch Tiger leading by 8 strokes.. boooring!

Actually yesterday's win was so lob-sided that the Television Broadcasting lost millions! There was over 1 hr of alotted air time that they could not account for because Cink was a terrible match up and Tiger assaulted him. Who whants to watch that, and on top of it he throws his club at his bag because he is 4 up and has 2 putts at par.. LOL Lame!

It was soooo sad to watch Cink in an interview at the end of the match LMAO. I think it was MArk Rolfing... anyways he says straight up... "How does it feel Teeing off knowing he is better than you and that he will inevitabley beat you"... HAHAHAHHA, something along those lines and Cink agreed with him... LOSER!

Why do you go so out of your way to be so negative about Tiger? Why do "people" find the need to topple the "best" from the top? Not just athletes, but stars of all sorts. You love when they're on the journey to the top, but you don't want them there for too long. I don't understand people like that. Stretching circumstances to find any reason to topple them over.

Tiger is a great golfer and human....hmmmm imagine that. Is it really his fault?

[davepratt]

Some guys like Lehman and Pavin may not swear. They are very intense players or have been.

Pavin may not swear on the air, but I can tell you he taught me some new words on the 17th at Glen Abbey when he knocked 2 OB off the tee and ripped a strip off me as if I had hit the balls. I lost all respect for him.

[hogannut]

Why do you go so out of your way to be so negative about Tiger? Why do "people" find the need to topple the "best" from the top? Not just athletes, but stars of all sorts. You love when they're on the journey to the top, but you don't want them there for too long. I don't understand people like that. Stretching circumstances to find any reason to topple them over.

Tiger is a great golfer and human....hmmmm imagine that. Is it really his fault?

It's easy to find fault with people like this. Possibly border line jealousy? Who knows, but it is true. You'd see a guy sign a thousand autographs and no one notices that, they notice the one person that was missed.

It seems to matter not all the good these people do, like the Tiger Woods foundation for example, it ONLY matters that he reacted in a way some one felt was inappropriate in one particular incident. Last time checked the human race had not yet achieved perfection!! Perhaps Tiger should be the first!!:hush:

[Golden Bear]

RIGHT ON! No, he does not have the class. That's not really important anymore in life anyway is it. So I guess it's right not to care.Well, I'm not saying he has no class -- I was simply saying that he doesn't have the class of players like those I mentioned. Having class IS important.

[Blue]

Personally if I find something "lame" I don't watch it and I don't complain about it.

[rgk5]

I missed the point? What does that have to do with professionals acting badly on the golf course, national TV in front of women and children etc...? :confused:

Allow me to explain my comments. I agree that Tiger should not be swearing on national television. It is wrong and unprofessional, even in the passion of the moment but we are all human and prone to emtotional outbursts.

My point to you was if you really condemn swearing on national TV which is a public forum, you should in all fairness not title your post in a public forum with WTF, which we all know is an acronym for the real words.

[Smully]

I`m with ya on that ,Obviously,he`s a great player, also his attitude sucks,Listen to the commentators,I`m not sure he`s the only one that sucks.

[davepratt]

Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods are standing at the throne of heaven. God looks at them and says "before granting you a place at my side, I must ask you what you have learned, what you believe in" God asks Arnie first. " What do you believe?" Arnie thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye , and says " I believe in hard work and in staying true to family and friends and most of all to yourself. I believe in giving. I was lucky but I always tried to do right by my fans" God can't help but see the essential of Palmer and God offers him a seat to his left. Then God turns to Nicklaus and says "what do you believe?" Jack says " I believe passion, discipline, courage and honour are the fundamentals of life. Like Arnold, I believe in hard work. I too have been lucky but win or lose, I've always tried to be a true sportsman both on and off the playing fields." God is greatly moved by Jack's high-pitched eloquence and he offers him a seat to his right. Finally God turns to Woods: "And you Tiger, What do you believe?"
Says Tiger "I believe you're sitting in my seat" :rofl:

[Weirfan]

yada, yada, yada........same old , same old back and forth between the Tiger worshippers and those who dont happen to have their bedroom wallpapered with Tiger posters.

Tiger is Tiger, he is who he is...........he 's intense and he is emotional on the golf course, he can be subdued and he can be firey and jump and fist pump and point at puts........that is who he is.

all PGA pros have an on course persona, some swear alot like The Walrus, some are stoic like Goosen, some throw clubs like Tiger.....

likewise in hockey you have the Joe Sakic's and the Sean Avery's

what I do find disappointing at times is all the arse kissing that Tiger gets here and from the media and the booth ( yes he is the best out there ) ...........but the playing field is not level,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if he swears and throws a club he's called intense, If Rory Sabbotini does it he's a dumb azz punk.

The line between arrogance and confidence is a fine one........Tiger is both. but he can do whatever he wants and is the PGA's cash cow so Tim Finchem, Johnny Miller and the boys will continue to play , rock , paper scossors to see who gets to go and pick te penuts out of his doodoo today:D

Tiger is a role model ,but he is also covered more on tv than any other golfer out there as such we will see the good with the bad.......oh well, if you dont like it, turn it off..........

[Bwadd]

yada, yada, yada........same old , same old back and forth between the Tiger worshippers and those who dont happen to have their bedroom wallpapered with Tiger posters.

Tiger is Tiger, he is who he is...........he 's intense and he is emotional on the golf course, he can be subdued and he can be firey and jump and fist pump and point at puts........that is who he is.

all PGA pros have an on course persona, some swear alot like The Walrus, some are stoic like Goosen, some throw clubs like Tiger.....

likewise in hockey you have the Joe Sakic's and the Sean Avery's

what I do find disappointing at times is all the arse kissing that Tiger gets here and from the media and the booth ( yes he is the best out there ) ...........but the playing field is not level,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if he swears and throws a club he's called intense, If Rory Sabbotini does it he's a dumb azz punk.

The line between arrogance and confidence is a fine one........Tiger is both. but he can do whatever he wants and is the PGA's cash cow so Tim Finchem, Johnny Miller and the boys will continue to play , rock , paper scossors to see who gets to go and pick te penuts out of his doodoo today:D

Tiger is a role model ,but he is also covered more on tv than any other golfer out there as such we will see the good with the bad.......oh well, if you dont like it, turn it off..........

Well said! Like I said from the beginning, I'm just tired of all the other players getting pooped on and felt like dishing a little Tiger doodoo... :)

[sloniu260]

Well said! Like I said from the beginning, I'm just tired of all the other players getting pooped on and felt like dishing a little Tiger doodoo... :)

Does this mean you got rid off you TW bed sheets?!:rofl:

[goshawk]

Does this mean you got rid off you TW bed sheets?!:rofl:
I could have sworn I saw him at the last TGN outing with a "Tiger" headcover!!

[kingplayer]

I love how people can pick apart Tiger, it never ceases to amaze me. He's not perfect there is no doubt, but we are all lucky enough to see him play in his prime and accomplish things that may never be matched. Nicklaus was considered enemy number 1 when he came on tour because he beat Palmer. Hogan never said a word but went about his business like no one else.

People enjoy arguably the best player ever to play the game and forgive him for being human. As the saying goes "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" ;)

[Andru]

Well said! Like I said from the beginning, I'm just tired of all the other players getting pooped on and felt like dishing a little Tiger doodoo... :)
That post wasn't well said it was complete BS.

I'll start by smashing this myth that anyone who happens to enjoy watching Tiger Woods is some kind of mindless drone and anyone who doesn't like Tiger is just some reasonable person who happens to think Tiger gets too much attention.

This is so far from the truth it makes the WMD case look credible.

90% of these debates get started because someone starts a negative thread about Tiger Woods. Like this one. I'll paraphrase

You know I'm tired of Tiger throwing clubs and swearing

Translation.

"Crap Tiger won again. I can't beat him on his game so I'll pick some remote event that most ppl missed, talk about how annoying it is"

Then I'll admit. ppl like me step in and fuel the debate by saying

Wait a minute. Let's look at the facts. He's on more than anyone else. A lot of other players curse they just don't get caught and so what if he does it makes him play better

Then it begins to degrade by attempting to cut down the person supporting Tiger as mindless clones by calling them.

Tiger Lover, Tiger Fans, Tiger Whorshipper, blah blah blah

Then some boomer pipes up with a dream like scenerio of the good ole' days when


You know in my day ...... Jack, Arnie and Gary descended from Heaven to play golf. Never getting angry, never swearing, They didn't even make a sour face. Heck they rarely hit bad shots or missed any putts for that matter.
Jack would never do that. Arnie was always a gentleman, It's a different time, in my day golf was for gentleman and people respected each other. Not like Today with all the brawls that break out on golf courses.

Then the guy with kids exaggerates the social effects of the swearing.

Tiger is a role model for kids and this will only degrade their sense of worth and morals. Before you know it they'll be robbing banks and dating Britney Spears!

Ok thread summary complete.

Good Day everyone and happy shoveling or snowblowing if you're lucky enough to own one of these wonderful machines.

[Bwadd]

Andru,

Tiger fans like you are the ones that I target with these discussions!

This is exactly why I do it.... to see the outpoor of rational support for something that is not tolerated with other players... who by the are not on TV as much as Tiger.... hmmmm interesting!

[Golden Bear]

Bwadd is right that Tiger can be a bit of a suck, and that he throws clubs, curses, etc. more than other golfers. Even back in the late 90s when I was a fan of Tiger's, I hated when he got pouty.

But I do think Andru has a point if he's suggesting that these things are exaggerated. True, Tiger gets a bit of a free ride, and for everyone criticizing him there are twenty guys who think Tiger can do no wrong, and if he does do wrong, he's allowed to do so because he's so good. But he's not off-the-chart sucky or pouty. He just has a tendency to vent. I think it stands out more not because he's on TV so much, but because of that ugly scowl -- like an inverted grin. Man, that's ugly. I'd rather let kids listen to f-bombs in "Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip" than subject them to that ghastly scowl.

But as I said before, if this poutiness is his worst characteristic, it's hard to be too damning.

[Andru]

Andru,

Tiger fans like you are the ones that I target with these discussions!

This is exactly why I do it.... to see the outpoor of rational support for something that is not tolerated with other players... who by the are not on TV as much as Tiger.... hmmmm interesting!

Here we go again. I've been branded "Tiger Fan" not golf fan with a different point of view but "Tiger Fan" who can't observe and make logical arguments.

This is the exaggerated claims I'm referring to. No one has actually kept stats on how many times Tiger or any other player has been reprimanded by the media or golf fans in general. Any claim you make is purely anecdotal and subject your interpretation.

I'm not making any claims. I just said from my observations he's on television more than anyone else and it's likely the reason it APPEARS he's the only one who shows emotion on the golf course. I say this because I've been to a few tournaments live in my day and when the cameras are not there I've seen players whine, moan, throw clubs, rag out their caddies in public, sigh at fans who blink while their putting, curse, walk past autograph seekers, and get cranky with Marshalls.

If you posted the same thread about Phil Mickelson I'd say the same thing in PM's defense.

Bwadd is right that Tiger can be a bit of a suck, and that he throws clubs, curses, etc. more than other golfers. Even back in the late 90s when I was a fan of Tiger's, I hated when he got pouty.

But I do think Andru has a point if he's suggesting that these things are exaggerated. True, Tiger gets a bit of a free ride, and for everyone criticizing him there are twenty guys who think Tiger can do no wrong, and if he does do wrong, he's allowed to do so because he's so good. But he's not off-the-chart sucky or pouty. He just has a tendency to vent. I think it stands out more not because he's on TV so much, but because of that ugly scowl -- like an inverted grin. Man, that's ugly. I'd rather let kids listen to f-bombs in "Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip" than subject them to that ghastly scowl.

But as I said before, if this poutiness is his worst characteristic, it's hard to be too damning. I agree the look is a bit unflattering amplifide by the contrast of his smile.

In terms of a free ride? I don't know. I guess it's subject to your definition of a free ride. I say the guys who are off camera get a free ride. They can do just about anything they want. Without being too long I have a quick story. 2003 PGA Champ Oak Hill CC. Jose Maria Olazabal the 5th hole on the tee. He pulls his drive way way left. Only 5 of us there. he takes his driver 2 handed wak on his bag. 1 - 2 -3 then yells DAMMIT!!!. No cameras, hardly any fans ( we all laughed ) no thread on TGN.

[just123123]

Well said Andru! :clap:


:hyper: (Frustrated vanilla golf fan)

[squirrel]

If you think Tiger's hissy fits are okay consider this. When I was young my parents weren't members at the course I played at and I was a dirty rotten spoiled foul mouthed club thrower. However no one dared correct me because they weren't my parent.
To this day there are many acquaintances who think I'm a horse's rear end because they remember my bad behavior. The best thing anyone could have ever done for me back then is give me a good whuppin. I paid a big price for learning the lesson late.
Palmer and Nicklaus were the greatest of their time and didn't show their anger as much as Tiger does. He would do well to imitate them.

[Andru]

If you think Tiger's hissy fits are okay consider this. When I was young my parents weren't members at the course I played at and I was a dirty rotten spoiled foul mouthed club thrower. However no one dared correct me because they weren't my parent.
To this day there are many acquaintances who think I'm a horse's rear end because they remember my bad behavior. The best thing anyone could have ever done for me back then is give me a good whuppin. I paid a big price for learning the lesson late.
Palmer and Nicklaus were the greatest of their time and didn't show their anger as much as Tiger does. He would do well to imitate them.

It's like a record that skips on the worst part of the song.

"Tiger hissy fits" only on the internet can a gross exaggeration like this exist.

[just123123]

If you think Tiger's hissy fits are okay consider this. When I was young my parents weren't members at the course I played at and I was a dirty rotten spoiled foul mouthed club thrower. However no one dared correct me because they weren't my parent.
To this day there are many acquaintances who think I'm a horse's rear end because they remember my bad behavior. The best thing anyone could have ever done for me back then is give me a good whuppin. I paid a big price for learning the lesson late.
Palmer and Nicklaus were the greatest of their time and didn't show their anger as much as Tiger does. He would do well to imitate them.

RU for real? Have you read any of the other posts? Jack and Arnie were'nt saints, far from it.
I'm not sure how old you are but you referenced Arnie and Jack and their behaviour. Their behaviour based on your comments, has'nt helped you on the course. So what's your point?
Go back and read what I posted earlier. (you reference it in your comments re: "whuppin"). It's the parents that raise a well behaved child. Not Jack, or Arnie, or Tiger!:nono:

[Golden Bear]

RU for real? Have you read any of the other posts? Jack and Arnie were'nt saints, far from it."Far from it"? Oh PLEASE elaborate.

[just123123]

"Far from it"? Oh PLEASE elaborate.

You can't be serious!!! :rofl:
Do you believe that Jack and/or Arnie didn't curse, or bang their bag with a club, or walk by a fan that wanted an autograph, or even scowl?

[Golden Bear]

You can't be serious!!! :rofl:
Do you believe that Jack and/or Arnie didn't curse, or bang their bag with a club, or walk by a fan that wanted an autograph, or even scowl?Your word were that they "were not saints. Far from it." You are suggesting they were jerks. That is what the rhetoric of your post implies.

Prove it. Demonstrate that they behaved in a manner that should result in saying they were "far from it". You'll need multiple examples from both players.

Both players displayed class on a regular basis. Two of the classiest to ever play the game. Tiger isn't even in their league in this regard. As I've said, I don't think that Tiger is particularly a jerk, either. He's just not on the level of class that Jack and Arnie are, and frankly, I don't think that's even debatable.

[just123123]

Your word were that they "were not saints. Far from it." You are suggesting they were jerks. That is what the rhetoric of your post implies.

Prove it. Demonstrate that they behaved in a manner that should result in saying they were "far from it". You'll need multiple examples from both players.

Both players displayed class on a regular basis. Two of the classiest to ever play the game. Tiger isn't even in their league in this regard. As I've said, I don't think that Tiger is particularly a jerk, either. He's just not on the level of class that Jack and Arnie are, and frankly, I don't think that's even debatable.


What are you talking about? Your mind is working overtime. I've never suggested or implied either one of them were jerks. :cookoo:
I'll need "multiple examples from both players"? :cookoo:

You're trying to cross a line and you can't. Jack and Arnie had their moments. (curse, bang a club, refuse to sign an autograph, scowl) PLAIN and SIMPLE. Can you disprove that?

[Golden Bear]

What are you talking about? Your mind is working overtime. I've never suggested or implied either one of them were jerks. :cookoo:
I'll need "multiple examples from both players"? :cookoo:

You're trying to cross a line and you can't. Jack and Arnie had their moments. (curse, bang a club, refuse to sign an autograph, scowl) PLAIN and SIMPLE. Can you disprove that?Nice backtracking, but when you say "far from it", you're making an implication.

Both Jack and Arnold worked on keeping their emotions to themselves as much as possible. Even the Samuel Jackson story in another thread demonstrates that with Arnold. Jack's outburst are limited to pushing down a spike mark that got in the way of a put, pressing his lips together, etc.

Can you cite an example of either slamming their club into the ground? Jack threw one club in his life -- when he was fourteen. And his father dragged him off the course and said if he ever did it again, he'd never play golf again. And that was the last time he did it.

Jack also prides himself on signing autographs as much as possible, and even giving people the time if they interrupt him during dinner. I don't think you'll find many -- if any -- stories of Jack refusing an autograph. Or Arnold, though admittedly I'm more familiar with Jack than with Arnold.

The entire reason Jack and Arnold were brought up was because people felt Tiger doesn't show the class that they did. Such is a highly supportable contention. Jack and Arnold were on camera all the time when they played -- how many times were they caught cursing or throwing their clubs? And how many times have you seen Tiger walk up to a competitor who just won a tournament, give them a big smile, put his arm around them and walk off the green with them? Or how often have you seen him wait for a rival at 18 to congratulate him on a win?

I'll repeat -- Tiger is not a jerk, necessarily. But he doesn't have the class of a Jack or an Arnold. "Plain and simple". You may not like it, but it's true.

[Bellyhungry]

Arnie used to smoke on the golf course, I am sure a lot of the younger Arnie Army ended up smoking because they deemed if it is OK for the King, then it is cool with them. These days and age, some people would view that to be a larger crime than cursing in public. Nevertheless, this is just an example that even the King was not immune to doing things he regrets.

For parents who think Tiger's cursing would negatively impact their innocent children, I suggest that they teach their kids not to see sports celebrities as their role models. Secondly, I ask that these parents to look at themselves to see how hard they work to be a exemplary parents and role models to their own kids.

[Golden Bear]

Arnie used to smoke on the golf course, I am sure a lot of the younger Arnie Army ended up smoking because they deemed if it is OK for the King, then it is cool with them. These days and age, some people would view that to be a larger crime than cursing in public. Nevertheless, this is just an example that even the King was not immune to doing things he regrets.At the time, smoking on TV was not considered a big deal. It was the norm, actually. Arnold stopped smoking on camera specifically because he was concerned it set a bad example. He continued to smoke himself, but not publicly. This is an example of Arnold's class.

Jack also smoked on camera -- once. Then he saw himself doing it and was disgusted with himself, and immediately stopped smoking while golfing. Another fine example of class.

It was still normal to smoke on TV long after these two stopped. Frankly, they were ahead of their time by deciding it was a no-no for them.

[just123123]

At the time, smoking on TV was not considered a big deal. It was the norm, actually. Arnold stopped smoking on camera specifically because he was concerned it set a bad example. He continued to smoke himself, but not publicly. This is an example of Arnold's class.

Jack also smoked on camera -- once. Then he saw himself doing it and was disgusted with himself, and immediately stopped smoking while golfing. Another fine example of class.

It was still normal to smoke on TV long after these two stopped. Frankly, they were ahead of their time by deciding it was a no-no for them.

I think you're missing the point.
The thrust from the original post was about behaviour. There are definitely levels of behaviour and how players act or should act on the course. Cursing, thowing a club, refusing to sign autographs, scowling, how ever infrequent, is judged as bad behaviour. i.e.:TIGER isn't alone in that category! GET OVER IT/YOURSELF!

[Golden Bear]

I think you're missing the point.
The thrust from the original post was about behaviour. There are definitely levels of behaviour and how players act or should act on the course. Cursing, thowing a club, refusing to sign autographs, scowling, how ever infrequent, is judged as bad behaviour. i.e.:TIGER isn't alone in that category! GET OVER IT/YOURSELF!No, Tiger isn't alone. But he's below Arnold and Jack on the class scale. Well below. That's the point I'm making. Get over Tiger.

[just123123]

No, Tiger isn't alone. But he's below Arnold and Jack on the class scale. Well below. That's the point I'm making. Get over Tiger.

Maybe, maybe not.
BUT...Even you have to admit, that when you consider the camera count at golf events, the camera count at Tiger events (on and off site), the crowds, the reporters looking for ANY dirt on anybody to sell, sell, sell), one can only imagine the number of "incidents" that would have been caught on tape or the sound bites that would have been recorded from the sophisticated microphones of today, if we compared "apples to apples" 30-40 years ago to today. But we both know you can't.
Even a Jack(or should I say God) lover must have heard stories of what some of the tour players back in the day used to do? (sometimes with the beat reporters on the road with them)
C'mon man, if you still think these guys walk on water you're more naive then I thought.

[Golden Bear]

Maybe, maybe not.
BUT...Even you have to admit, that when you consider the camera count at golf events, the camera count at Tiger events (on and off site), the crowds, the reporters looking for ANY dirt on anybody to sell, sell, sell), one can only imagine the number of "incidents" that would have been caught on tape or the sound bites that would have been recorded from the sophisticated microphones of today, if we compared "apples to apples" 30-40 years ago to today. But we both know you can't.
Even a Jack(or should I say God) lover must have heard stories of what some of the tour players back in the day used to do? (sometimes with the beat reporters on the road with them)
C'mon man, if you still think these guys walk on water you're more naive then I thought.Apparently you're not reading my posts. I said they had more class than Tiger, that's it. And I'm right. And I was counting your "far from it" claim which implied that they were highly flawed. I never suggested they walk on water and I never suggested they were saints. I'm not sure what you want. If you want me to say Tiger had as much class as them, I'm afraid I can't do that. That would be lying.

You seem to think that the assertions that Jack and Arnie were classy individuals is a myth. You are wrong. They both oozed class. I've cited examples of the class they demonstrated, and could cite many more. I could cite the many individuals -- players, media, etc. -- who have gone on and on about the class of these two. Meanwhile, you're coming up empty in demonstrating lack of class on their parts. Heck, I've come up with more examples than you have. I'm afraid if you're going to attack Jack and Arnold when it comes to class, you're going to have to bring a lot more to the table than you have.

[just123123]

[quote=Golden Bear]Your word were that they "were not saints. Far from it." You are suggesting they were jerks. That is what the rhetoric of your post implies.

PS
What is YOUR definition of a Saint?
Do you think Jack is close to a Saint as opposed to far from one?

pss
Keep in mind what the list of requirements deemed necessary to be called a Saint. If you're not sure or would like to see a list of saints, google it.

(This should be good....):D

[Golden Bear]

[quote=Golden Bear]Your word were that they "were not saints. Far from it." You are suggesting they were jerks. That is what the rhetoric of your post implies.

PS
What is YOUR definition of a Saint?
Do you think Jack is close to a Saint as opposed to far from one?

pss
Keep in mind what the list of requirements deemed necessary to be called a Saint. If you're not sure or would like to see a list of saints, google it.

(This should be good....):DOh, please. You're being disingenuous now.

The implication of saying someone is "far from" a saint is that they're greatly flawed. That was your intent. Don't pretend otherwise.

Do me the courtesy of being honest.

Without the "far from it" comment, it wasn't a problem. The "far from it" part is what made it a criticism of these players. You know what your intent was, so don't waste time with backpeddalling.

[just123123]

[quote=just123123]Oh, please. You're being disingenuous now.

The implication of saying someone is "far from" a saint is that they're greatly flawed. That was your intent. Don't pretend otherwise.

Do me the courtesy of being honest.

Without the "far from it" comment, it wasn't a problem. The "far from it" part is what made it a criticism of these players. You know what your intent was, so don't waste time with backpeddalling.

You don't get it.
Read the words, SAINT vs JACK. It was you that attached intent. Remember that.
You can't tell me or anyone else what the intent of words are, unless you ask the writer what the intent was. You just can't assume. If you truly wanted to know what my intent was you would have asked before you commented.
You assumed I was referring to both Jack and Arnie as jerks, how insulting was that?
ps
You're assuming (again) that I'm not being honest or pretending that my comment that Jack and Arnie were'nt close to being Saints was disingenuous. Some of us take the word very seriously and don't toss it around lightly.

Stay on point....

[Golden Bear]

You don't get it.
Read the words, SAINT vs JACK. It was you that attached intent. Remember that.
You can't tell me or anyone else what the intent of words are, unless you ask the writer what the intent was. You just can't assume. If you truly wanted to know what my intent was you would have asked before you commented.
You assumed I was referring to both Jack and Arnie as jerks, how insulting was that?
ps
You're assuming (again) that I'm not being honest or pretending that my comment that Jack and Arnie were'nt close to being Saints was disingenuous. Some of us take the word very seriously and don't toss it around lightly.

Stay on point....Unfortunately, I do get it. You see, what happened is that you made the comment, and then when you were asked to back it up (repeatedly) you realized that you couldn't support your contention and instead decided to pretend it wasn't what you meant. And in so doing, you are the one that has strayed "off point" by deciding to have a sidebar discussion regarding the word "saint". I keep coming back to my point -- that Jack and Arnold had more class than Tiger (while reaffirming that I don't mean that Tiger was classless).

So let's just stick to that point: Jack and Arnold were very classy players, and more classy than Tiger, who, while not being classless, is nevertheless not as classy as Jack or Arnold. Agree or disagree?

[just123123]

Unfortunately, I do get it. You see, what happened is that you made the comment, and then when you were asked to back it up (repeatedly) you realized that you couldn't support your contention and instead decided to pretend it wasn't what you meant. And in so doing, you are the one that has strayed "off point" by deciding to have a sidebar discussion regarding the word "saint". I keep coming back to my point -- that Jack and Arnold had more class than Tiger (while reaffirming that I don't mean that Tiger was classless).

So let's just stick to that point: Jack and Arnold were very classy players, and more classy than Tiger, who, while not being classless, is nevertheless not as classy as Jack or Arnold. Agree or disagree?

Who are you trying to convince? Why do you feel the need for qualification?

Just remember what I have contended all along. The original point (as per staying on point re:Tour behaviour).
Just because you've gone off on some tangent about who's classier...(and I must admit you've sucked me in...), and feel some need to justify who's classier, doesn't take away from the original subject!!!....BEHAVIOUR ON THE TOUR
You really must FOCUS:rofl:

[sloniu260]

The 2 of you should get a room:cookoo:

[Golden Bear]

Who are you trying to convince? Why do you feel the need for qualification?

Just remember what I have contended all along. The original point (as per staying on point re:Tour behaviour).
Just because you've gone off on some tangent about who's classier...(and I must admit you've sucked me in...), and feel some need to justify who's classier, doesn't take away from the original subject!!!....BEHAVIOUR ON THE TOUR
You really must FOCUS:rofl:
Sigh. This entire sub-discussion resulted directly from your objection to a positive comment made about Jack and Arnold by another poster.

Let’s review, shall we?

Palmer and Nicklaus were the greatest of their time and didn’t show their anger as much as Tiger does. He would do well to imitate them.

That was a fair comment and one that I have been supporting in my discussions with you. And why did we get on this discussion? Because your immediate response was to be incredulous at such heresy:
[quote=just1231230
RU for real? Have you read any of the other posts? Jack and Arnie were'nt saints, far from it.
[/quote]
And that’s what I responded to. I defended Palmer and Nicklaus against the “far from it” rhetoric and asked for supporting evidence – which was not forthcoming. Actually, ANY interpretation of “far from it” was left unsupported. It was your tangent. Or squirrel’s. At any rate, if you didn’t want to be asked to back up your statement you shouldn’t have made it.

So, the question posed in my previous post was a relevant one, and returned us to the focus of the discussion we’d been having. That is: Tiger’s relative “classiness” when compared with Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer – the two players who, it was asserted, Tiger would do well to learn from (a contention that you found abhorrent). Would you care to answer that question, or should we just jump to the inevitable conclusion and assume that I’m correct and move on?

[davepratt]

Now who looks classiest?
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[just123123]

Sigh. This entire sub-discussion resulted directly from your objection to a positive comment made about Jack and Arnold by another poster.

Let’s review, shall we?






That was a fair comment and one that I have been supporting in my discussions with you. And why did we get on this discussion? Because your immediate response was to be incredulous at such heresy:
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And that’s what I responded to. I defended Palmer and Nicklaus against the “far from it” rhetoric and asked for supporting evidence – which was not forthcoming. Actually, ANY interpretation of “far from it” was left unsupported. It was your tangent. Or squirrel’s. At any rate, if you didn’t want to be asked to back up your statement you shouldn’t have made it.

So, the question posed in my previous post was a relevant one, and returned us to the focus of the discussion we’d been having. That is: Tiger’s relative “classiness” when compared with Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer – the two players who, it was asserted, Tiger would do well to learn from (a contention that you found abhorrent). Would you care to answer that question, or should we just jump to the inevitable conclusion and assume that I’m correct and move on?

There ya go.... LET IT GO BUDDY:rofl: ....LET IT GO:rofl: .....

Please...Please STAY on POINT.....If you've no longer anything to say on the original subject...why are you here?...What do you want!!!???:eek:

[Golden Bear]

There ya go.... LET IT GO BUDDY:rofl: ....LET IT GO:rofl: .....

Please...Please STAY on POINT.....If you've no longer anything to say on the original subject...why are you here?...What do you want!!!???:eek:Ah, the second option. Wise choice. Thanks for your participation.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

[just123123]

Ah, the second option. Wise choice. Thanks for your participation.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

I do think behaviour in most other sports has significantly changed too. It's a symptom of the times. Golf has been (and is somewhat still) an elitist sport. A sport that has come out of the closet so to speak, and is readily available to every walk of life.
Maybe we'll see a fight or two break out in the future. That'll attract more of those hard core hockey fans!

"Second option"? , "Wise choice"?.......STAY ON POINT....

I can't even imagine the size of the room you keep that ego of yours.

[Golden Bear]

I can't even imagine the size of the room you keep that ego of yours.Well, then you're just not trying very hard. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

[Golf_Goof]

If Jack and Arnold aren't saints in the context of behaviour on /off the golf course - then no one is, was, or will ever be.

Tiger has enough class for someone of his staure in sport. Besides, nobody ever won a tournament because they had/showed more class than the runner-up.

Personally I'd rather my kids see Tiger scowl in disapproval for a poor performance than to watch figure skaters sobbing like babies after a skate.

[Golden Bear]

If Jack and Arnold aren't saints in the context of behaviour on /off the golf course - then no one is, was, or will ever be.

Tiger has enough class for someone of his staure in sport. Besides, nobody ever won a tournament because they had/showed more class than the runner-up.

Personally I'd rather my kids see Tiger scowl in disapproval for a poor performance than to watch figure skaters sobbing like babies after a skate.Agree, agree, and agree.

[just123123]

Well, then you're just not trying very hard. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

YIKES!
:omg: