What a moron!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Troll]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- PGA Tour golfer Tripp Isenhour (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=217) was charged with killing a hawk on purpose with a golf shot because it was making noise as he videotaped a TV show.

http://assets.espn.go.com/golfonline/img/profiles/217.jpg Isenhour

Isenhour was with a film crew for "Shoot Like A Pro" on Dec. 12 at the Grand Cypress Golf course. The 39-year-old golfer, whose real name is John Henry Isenhour III, was charged Monday with cruelty to animals and killing a migratory bird.
The charges carry a maximum penalty of 14 months in jail and $1,500 in fines.
According to court documents, Isenhour got upset when a red-shouldered hawk began making noise, forcing another take. He began hitting balls at the bird, then 300 yards away, but gave up.
Isenhour started again when the hawk moved within about 75 yards, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officer Brian Baine indicated in a report.
Isenhour allegedly said "I'll get him now," and aimed for the hawk.
"About the sixth ball came very near the bird's head, and was very excited that it was so close," Baine wrote.
A few shots later, witnesses said he hit the hawk. The bird, protected as a migratory species, fell to the ground bleeding from both nostrils.
Isenhour's agent, John Mascatello with SFX World Sports Management, did not immediately return an e-mail or telephone message Thursday.
"He just kept saying how he didn't think he could have hit it, which I think is a stupid thing for a PGA Tour golfer to say," said Jethro Senger, a sound engineer at the shoot. "He can put a ball in a hole from hundreds of yards away, and here he is hitting line drives at something that's, I don't know, a couple hundred feet away?"
Senger said it was "basically like a joke to [Isenhour]." He said no one in the roughly 15-person crew intervened, and many later regretted it.
"It was one of those cases where there's some trepidation on whether or not they should speak up and do something," Senger said.
Senger said the killing was not captured on video. The bird was buried at the golf course and later dug up by Florida investigators.
Isenhour, of Salisbury, N.C., turned pro in 1990. He had two wins on the Nationwide Tour in 2006.
[I]Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

[akrus]

will they charge those around him with being accessories to the crime for the fact they didn't stop him??

I know I've curtailled plenty of my friends' antics that were much less ignorant than this.

I hope he gets the max from the law, but I also hope the PGA can take some steps in punishing him as well.

[BowmanvilleJim]

I agree. That was just plain stupid and immature.

[golf nut]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- PGA Tour golfer Tripp Isenhour (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=217) was charged with killing a hawk on purpose with a golf shot because it was making noise as he videotaped a TV show.

http://assets.espn.go.com/golfonline/img/profiles/217.jpg Isenhour

Isenhour was with a film crew for "Shoot Like A Pro" on Dec. 12 at the Grand Cypress Golf course. The 39-year-old golfer, whose real name is John Henry Isenhour III, was charged Monday with cruelty to animals and killing a migratory bird.
The charges carry a maximum penalty of 14 months in jail and $1,500 in fines.
According to court documents, Isenhour got upset when a red-shouldered hawk began making noise, forcing another take. He began hitting balls at the bird, then 300 yards away, but gave up.
Isenhour started again when the hawk moved within about 75 yards, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officer Brian Baine indicated in a report.
Isenhour allegedly said "I'll get him now," and aimed for the hawk.
"About the sixth ball came very near the bird's head, and was very excited that it was so close," Baine wrote.
A few shots later, witnesses said he hit the hawk. The bird, protected as a migratory species, fell to the ground bleeding from both nostrils.
Isenhour's agent, John Mascatello with SFX World Sports Management, did not immediately return an e-mail or telephone message Thursday.
"He just kept saying how he didn't think he could have hit it, which I think is a stupid thing for a PGA Tour golfer to say," said Jethro Senger, a sound engineer at the shoot. "He can put a ball in a hole from hundreds of yards away, and here he is hitting line drives at something that's, I don't know, a couple hundred feet away?"
Senger said it was "basically like a joke to [Isenhour]." He said no one in the roughly 15-person crew intervened, and many later regretted it.
"It was one of those cases where there's some trepidation on whether or not they should speak up and do something," Senger said.
Senger said the killing was not captured on video. The bird was buried at the golf course and later dug up by Florida investigators.
Isenhour, of Salisbury, N.C., turned pro in 1990. He had two wins on the Nationwide Tour in 2006.
[I]Copyright 2008 by The Associated PressThats's one more moron off my xmas list.

[MickDuff]

Jail time and loss of his tour card sounds about right.

[TourIQ]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- PGA Tour golfer Tripp Isenhour (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=217) was charged with killing a hawk on purpose with a golf shot because it was making noise as he videotaped a TV show.

http://assets.espn.go.com/golfonline/img/profiles/217.jpg IsenhourConsidering the accuracy of his last shot .... These Guys are Good :rofl:

[esidirop]

I wonder what people think of hunters???
i dont see uproars about people hunting bears/deer/ etc.....and thats with a intent to kill not hit...

How many of you would love to do this to those dreaded seaguls that $hit on your nice car or swarm you while eating your lunch outdoors/??

This was just a prank gone wrong.. yes stupid... but what are the odds of hitting a target about 1 foot tall, 75 yards away??...

This is really no big deal...

[Mule56]

The judge will have to let him off. :rolleyes: Based on his World Golf Ranking of 548 and his earning of $3,912.00 he couldn't possibly have been aiming at the hawk. He was probably trying to hit a fairway two over to the left. :p Idiot!:cookoo:
Mule

[esidirop]

The judge will have to let him off. :rolleyes: Based on his World Golf Ranking of 548 and his earning of $3,912.00 he couldn't possibly have been aiming at the hawk. He was probably trying to hit a fairway two over to the left. :p Idiot!:cookoo:
Mule
LOL so true:p

[Samick]

I wonder what people think of hunters???
i dont see uproars about people hunting bears/deer/ etc.....and thats with a intent to kill not hit...

How many of you would love to do this to those dreaded seaguls that $hit on your nice car or swarm you while eating your lunch outdoors/??

This was just a prank gone wrong.. yes stupid... but what are the odds of hitting a target about 1 foot tall, 75 yards away??...

This is really no big deal...

I beg to differ. As a hunter, you hunt for food, and not and protected migratory species either. Some hunters do hunt for the sport, but the animal is not gone to waste, it is used to feed ones family. The animal has not died in vane or for nonsense like we have here. There are also licenses and a season for hunting.

[jayda]

I must remember this one to tell my non-golfer friends (as a joke), LOL!

[goshawk]

This is just plain idiotic. Who the hell does he think he is? Just because a bird is making noise when he's trying to do a film shoot doesn't give him anywhere close to a valid reason to start hitting balls at it. Send one of the sound guys to the tree and try to run it off! No respect for anyone who does something to animals like that. Hunting is one thing....you're putting food on the table. But this is just malicious.
And, being a former falconer, he's doubly on my $hit list. It's also possible that it was a nesting bird and was screaming to run unwanted visitors away from it's nest. If that's the case, now the other bird will have to fend for the whole clutch of babies alone......not a good chance for survival. There's a nest on the 7th hole at Cresthaven that a pair of red-tail hawks use every year. You can walk by within about 20 feet before the nesting female starts screaming because you're getting too close. But people don't hit balls at her! Just walk on by, admire the nesting hawk and keep going.

[VBall]

Please refrain from personal attacks. Thanks.

[Big Shooter]

Reminds me of this....

On August 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_4), 1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_in_baseball), Dave Winfield, while warming up before the 5th inning of a game at Toronto's Exhibition Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibition_Stadium), accidentally killed a seagull with a thrown ball. He doffed his cap in mock sorrow. Fans responded by hurling obscenities and improvised missiles. After the game, he was brought to the Ontario Provincial Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Provincial_Police) station on charges of cruelty to animals and was forced to post a $ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar)500 bond before being released. Quipped Yankees manager Billy Martin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Martin), "It's the first time he's hit the cutoff man." The charges were dropped the following day. For years afterward Winfield's appearances in Toronto were greeted with loud choruses of boos, but he later became a fan favourite.

[Tyger]

Remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZh92YtaBs

an explosion of feathers:rofl:

[Benny]

Great video. He couldnt time that anybetter :D

[akrus]

I wonder what people think of hunters???
i dont see uproars about people hunting bears/deer/ etc.....and thats with a intent to kill not hit...

How many of you would love to do this to those dreaded seaguls that $hit on your nice car or swarm you while eating your lunch outdoors/??

This was just a prank gone wrong.. yes stupid... but what are the odds of hitting a target about 1 foot tall, 75 yards away??...

This is really no big deal...

You're off mark by a mile with your above comments.

He was NOT hunting.
He took numerous attempts at hitting the bird.
It's a hawk - I don't believe you can hunt them even if you wanted to.

it wasn't a "prank" - he purposely fired at the bird because it was making noise.

[Smully]

If,he`d ah hit the bird, 1st, shot, accident, numourous shots,Deliberate, needs to suffer consequences, Dave Winfield,seagull,Bluejays 1st, shot, with baseball, Daves the better shot, shoulda been a golfer,,,CHEERS

[goshawk]

You're off mark by a mile with your above comments.

He was NOT hunting.
He took numerous attempts at hitting the bird.
It's a hawk - I don't believe you can hunt them even if you wanted to.

it wasn't a "prank" - he purposely fired at the bird because it was making noise.
Albert, you're correct on all 3 counts.

1&3 - Hunting is a licensed/controlled activity involving local, state and federal government rules and regulations. Whether someone agrees with hunting or not, it is legal. As far as birds of prey, not a single one of all the species is on the "legal" hunting list. They are ALL federally protected in the US, from the smallest (kestrel) to the biggest (golden eagle). The only time you'll "get away" with accidentally killing one is hitting it with your vehicle on the highway.
2. Intentionally "aiming" at one with numerous golf balls is no ACCIDENT. Hitting a pigeon with a 95mph fastball in a game is totally accidental. And I'm sure the "Big Unit" felt terrible when it happened.

There are very stiff penalties for intentionally killing birds of prey. Just ask the farmer in Maryland that I turned in for putting traps on his fence posts. These little traps were attached with wire so when they grabbed the bird's foot it couldn't fly away. They would just try to fly until they got tired, then just hang upside down until they died. The farmer got 1 year and a $20k fine. I got a thank you letter for the Audobon Society.

[BowmanvilleJim]

And you're getting a thank you from me. I'm an avid hunter and I have no use for poachers, thrill killers and people who kill protected species for some stupid reason.

[Golden Bear]

Mindblowing.


By the way, is Tripp actually a "PGA Tour player", as the article says? I thought he had to go back to Q-School last year, and failed to qualify for his card there. I see that he's not listed on the PGA tour's site, but is on the Nationwide site.

[goshawk]

By the way, is Tripp actually a "PGA Tour player", as the article says? I thought he had to go back to Q-School last year, and failed to qualify for his card there. I see that he's not listed on the PGA tour's site, but is on the Nationwide site.
He is on the Nationwide Tour, not making it through Q-school last year.

BTW, here's a 2-page article on TGC's site.

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=25204

[golfnutz]

Reminds me of this....

On August 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_4), 1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_in_baseball), Dave Winfield, while warming up before the 5th inning of a game at Toronto's Exhibition Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibition_Stadium), accidentally killed a seagull with a thrown ball. He doffed his cap in mock sorrow. Fans responded by hurling obscenities and improvised missiles. After the game, he was brought to the Ontario Provincial Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Provincial_Police) station on charges of cruelty to animals and was forced to post a $ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_dollar)500 bond before being released. Quipped Yankees manager Billy Martin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Martin), "It's the first time he's hit the cutoff man." The charges were dropped the following day.For years afterward Winfield's appearances in Toronto were greeted with loud choruses of boos, but he later became a fan favourite.

Yes he was arrested but is was by Toronto Police.

[Bellyhungry]

It is a flipping bird....Many more birds - endangered or otherwise - die daily because of our high rise building and our love of air travel.

Don't get me started on chicken...

[akrus]

It is a flipping bird....Many more birds - endangered or otherwise - die daily because of our high rise building and our love of air travel.

Don't get me started on chicken...

you don't see planes circle back, taking another crack at killing a bird...

accidents are accidents, this act was intentional.

[Samick]

In case anybody is wondering for reference...this is what he killed. Puts it into perspective a little if you can actually see what the bird is instead of just a name.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2143/2074805290_8fa61144c1.jpg?v=0

[Golden Bear]

you don't see planes circle back, taking another crack at killing a bird...

Planes, no. Buildings ... I'm not so sure.

There has been many a night after drinking soda pops at a pub that I've been sauntering home and have walked into buildings that seemed to have just jumped in my way. I always wondered why that happened, but now I know. The buildings were just after birds.

[goshawk]

Nice find Samick. It's a little smaller (about 3/4 the size and weight) than a Redtail Hawk that's seen in this area in trees near the highway.

[Bellyhungry]

I think he killed something like the one below...

Not so majestic and cute now, is it? :rofl:

http://www.tucsonazrealestateblog.com/images/uglyuglybird.jpg

[Golden Bear]

He could have hit that one with a putter.

[Samick]

I think he killed something like the one below...

Not so majestic and cute now, is it? :rofl:

http://www.tucsonazrealestateblog.com/images/uglyuglybird.jpg

Oh geezz....:cookoo: :p My pic is alot prettier than that, and a protected species. Some people say I should be as well...not sure what thats supposed to mean..

Hard to imagine 'thats whats for dinner' huh? Ugly lookin thing.

[goshawk]

Just for the record, here's a pic of me with my Redtail Hawk in Maryland. He was immature at the time (less than a year old), so his tail wasn't red but barred grey. It was the first day I released him after training for 3 weeks. He came back immediately.

[Samick]

Just for the record, here's a pic of me with my Redtail Hawk in Maryland. He was immature at the time (less than a year old), so his tail wasn't red but barred grey. It was the first day I released him after training for 3 weeks. He came back immediately.

Beautiful bird there goshawk. We used to have an Eagles Nest on the 8th hole at my home course, back on The Rock. Stunning to see a bird of prey in the same next year after year. Especially when you walk accross the bridge and see the eagle picking a salmon out of the river.

[davepratt]

Just for the record, here's a pic of me with my Redtail Hawk in Maryland. He was immature at the time (less than a year old), so his tail wasn't red but barred grey. It was the first day I released him after training for 3 weeks. He came back immediately.

I'm not impressed. I was expecting something better looking. The bird looks nice though.:rofl:

[goshawk]

I'm not impressed. I was expecting something better looking. The bird looks nice though.:rofl:
There's a medical procedure that can fix you Dave!!:p :rofl: :rofl:

[Bjmcisaac]

you don't see planes circle back, taking another crack at killing a bird...

accidents are accidents, this act was intentional.

I think his point was that because we (people in general) are killing off way more birds by flying in airplanes and living in high rises then any golfer could ever kill in a lifetime if he was shooting them for sport daily. He's right too. Our need to build things higher, fly faster, drive to work every morning, etc. DOES kill protected species every day and nobody gives it a second thought. That's no accident.

[goshawk]

I think his point was that because we (people in general) are killing off way more birds by flying in airplanes and living in high rises then any golfer could ever kill in a lifetime if he was shooting them for sport daily. He's right too. Our need to build things higher, fly faster, drive to work every morning, etc. DOES kill protected species every day and nobody gives it a second thought. That's no accident.
I do understand both sides. If we didn't have aircraft or tall buildings or cars/trucks, etc. etc. we wouldn't be causing the deaths of innumerable animals. But those aircraft/cars/trucks/buildings weren't "aimed" at those animals, and in all my experience in the Air Force I never heard a single fighter pilot complain that he missed a bird strike through his front windshield and turned around to try again. I don't remember anyone on a highway in Newfoundland complaining that they missed a moose and turn around for another try. But I also agree that firing golf balls at an animal on purpose is no accident either. I could almost understand firing one ball at it out of frustration, but continuing to do so is not just irresponsible, it's criminal. If that hawk was bothering him that much, send his caddie or a sound man to the tree with a handful of balls and toss them. At least their aim will be better from 10 feet away and they could hit a branch nearby making the bird fly away for a while. But firing a golf ball at 130+ mph at a defenseless bird.......c'mon!

[Bjmcisaac]

I do understand both sides. If we didn't have aircraft or tall buildings or cars/trucks, etc. etc. we wouldn't be causing the deaths of innumerable animals. But those aircraft/cars/trucks/buildings weren't "aimed" at those animals, and in all my experience in the Air Force I never heard a single fighter pilot complain that he missed a bird strike through his front windshield and turned around to try again. I don't remember anyone on a highway in Newfoundland complaining that they missed a moose and turn around for another try. But I also agree that firing golf balls at an animal on purpose is no accident either. I could almost understand firing one ball at it out of frustration, but continuing to do so is not just irresponsible, it's criminal. If that hawk was bothering him that much, send his caddie or a sound man to the tree with a handful of balls and toss them. At least their aim will be better from 10 feet away and they could hit a branch nearby making the bird fly away for a while. But firing a golf ball at 130+ mph at a defenseless bird.......c'mon!

I completely agree that what he did was idiotic and beyond defense (I'm not defending him here). I am an animal lover and consider what he did reprehensible. I am merely playing devil's advocate and saying that in reality we are killing far more protected species every day via pollution from vehicles, cutting down their habitats to to build cozy cul-de-sacs and condos (and golf courses for that matter), and other modern-era "necessities" and no one really does, or even says, too much about it.

However, when one person kills one protected animal it causes an uproar. If only people channelled that energy to changing their daily lives (such as taking public transportation to work rather than sitting in gridlock) perhaps there would be less protected species in the first place.

[akrus]

I completely agree that what he did was idiotic and beyond defense (I'm not defending him here). I am an animal lover and consider what he did reprehensible. I am merely playing devil's advocate and saying that in reality we are killing far more protected species every day via pollution from vehicles, cutting down their habitats to to build cozy cul-de-sacs and condos (and golf courses for that matter), and other modern-era "necessities" and no one really does, or even says, too much about it.

However, when one person kills one protected animal it causes an uproar. If only people channelled that energy to changing their daily lives (such as taking public transportation to work rather than sitting in gridlock) perhaps there would be less protected species in the first place.

But tell me, which is preventable:

- an idiot golfer taking pot shots at a bird on a golf course;

or:

- the fact that humans need a place to live?

It's generally the extremist that is portraying the West as being materialistic and telling us we should go back to living in caves. The argument presented about buildings is not applicable in this conversation as architechts are trying to find ways that are more humane, yet balance the need for people to live in densely populated areas. Isenhour was out to kill - period.... that can be stopped.

[landlord]

Surely we can distinguish between (a) willful killing and (b) collateral deaths due to our being alive. Especially if the willful killling was for a trivial reason.

Apples and oranges.

Any 13-year-old boy can tell you a lot of stuff just gets wasted. :$

[nearace]

the golf channel will interview tripp on tonights show at 11:30 pm

[Pingnut]

the golf channel will interview tripp on tonights show at 11:30 pm

He's nuts to go on TV. At this point you or I couldn't pick him out of a line-up. After going on TV to lie about his intentions.. Ouch. Good luck with your future sponsors and sponsors exemptions there PRO..

[goshawk]

On the TGC page that I posted earlier, there was a short (30 sec) video interview where he was asked about it and tried to explain how sorry he was. I suppose they're going to show the entire interview tonight.

I just checked the GC website and the interview is on their front page.

[Frank101]

O.M.G....are we serious with this?

GET OVER IT!

Why do you think they are endangered in the first place? It's definitely not all Trip's fault. You should all take a good look in the mirror!

you don't see planes circle back, taking another crack at killing a bird...

accidents are accidents, this act was intentional.

how is a plane any less intentional? It is a known fact they will kill birds. Its just as deliberate.

People need to focus on more important things.

[Bjmcisaac]

Surely we can distinguish between (a) willful killing and (b) collateral deaths due to our being alive. Especially if the willful killling was for a trivial reason.

Apples and oranges.

Any 13-year-old boy can tell you a lot of stuff just gets wasted. :$

If you consider a trivial reason another mall or condo being built in the suburbs then bully for you...

Any 13-year-old boy can tell me a lot of stuff gets wasted, yes. A 13-year-old boy (or my 7-year-old nephew, who has told me) can also tell me that people in this city are contributing to the death of hundreds of species of animals. That certainly is wilfull and certainly is preventable. Carpooling, taking public transportation, not buying cottages or homes that are being built on obviously destroyed wildlife land - those, my friend, are all preventable and certainly not trivial.

But tell me, which is preventable:

- an idiot golfer taking pot shots at a bird on a golf course;

or:

- the fact that humans need a place to live?

It's generally the extremist that is portraying the West as being materialistic and telling us we should go back to living in caves. The argument presented about buildings is not applicable in this conversation as architechts are trying to find ways that are more humane, yet balance the need for people to live in densely populated areas. Isenhour was out to kill - period.... that can be stopped.

It's odd that you're portraying the extremist as a non-materialistic person from the East.

I'm not sure where you're getting the "cave" idea. Perhaps less urban sprawl, yes. It would probably make hundreds, if not thousands, of people more pleasant each day and would save more protected species.

My point, at any rate, was not HOW the buildings were built (or that the birds may fly into them) but that we keep destroying these protected species' habitats via urban sprawl and killing them via pollution, construction, etc. THAT is fact and that is preventable.

[landlord]

Nice rant, bjmcisaac, and I'm always glad to play the straight man, but the "trivial" in my post referred to the killing of a bird just to shut it up. I don't disagree that some housing developments and most humans can be a little rapacious and unmindful of non-human nature, but we have to live. There's no black-and-white answer that I can see, and no one without a little blood on his/her hands.

Golf courses -- I assume you like golf -- are one of the most wasteful uses of land and water I can think of. I can live with that. Stuff dies because I live and that's a fact, but I like to minimize the killin' and be respectful of all that lives, at the least.

I get particularly offended when I see an aerial view of Arizona. The place is a frickin' desert, designed by nature to support a sprinkling of humanity at best, but I see houses and golf courses all over the place. Now I don't see how anyone can argue that golf isn't trivial (and what better reason to like it?). But let's at least build courses in places that have water. That's my little rant (from which nothing will come).

FWIW, Tripp sounded fairly contrite on the Golf Channel. I'll give him a pass on the moral-judgment meter even though I bet he was, er, crowing when he hit the bird. Heckuva shot, you have to admit.

[Bellyhungry]

My original point about high-rise buildings is to point out that a lot of birds fly into glass-covered buildings and kill themselves, yet there's little efforts, if any, to make them 'safer for birds' (I feel silly typing this).

[caddishack]

I say we string the good ol boy up and see how many shots it takes to peg him in the head!!! A Head for a head lol

[milhaus]

how is a plane any less intentional? It is a known fact they will kill birds. Its just as deliberate.

Wow. I don't even know what to say to this. Even a 5 year old child could see the difference.

[goshawk]

how is a plane any less intentional? It is a known fact they will kill birds. Its just as deliberate.

Frank, how can you possibly say this? Are you really saying that airline pilots, civil aviation pilots, military pilots, etc. really AIM their aircraft at birds? If that is what you're saying, I think you may need some professional help. Falconers around the world have worked with both civil and military airports to chase birds away from runways to prevent bird encounters. They generally use peregrines to fly around the airports because a circling falcon really drives birds away from the area.
Have you ever seen the result of a bird strike on a fighter plane? I've seen first-hand what was left of a pilot's face from hitting a pigeon. Are you saying he intentionally commited suicide by hitting this pigeon? Have you seen what happens to a piston engine after being hit by a bird? The plane generally flies like a brick after that. Do you think that pilot went looking for a bird to hit?

[FOREman]

Go back to Vegas frank...

So, in your eyes, Isenhour could take pot shots at a school yard full of children, because cruel as life is, some children will get hit by cars...

Get a grip and ease off the pills. This was an intentional act that could have been prevented - keywords there, pay attention to them.

For all you people out there trying to justify Isenhour's actions based on civilizations need/desire to travel and live somewhere - get some focus.

I agree with akrus he took many attempts to hit bird. What about if he did not hit bird would he of still continued of course now did he want to kill the bird probably not but you know what he should of had better jugement it is like driving a vehicle if you stick to speed limit and traffic laws the chances of you getting in an accident are very minor not to mention putting other lives in danger but the second you start to drive careless and ignore traffic laws you cannot tell me that you have the same chances sooner or later someone is going to get hurt the only time that person will be cautious is if something happens ask the moron now if he hears another bird making noise in a tree if he is going to aim a golf ball at it now, not now unfrtunately many of us have to hit the wall before we realize that it is there i think he has what is coming for him and agree 110% he should be punished

[Bellyhungry]

From what I know, Italfrank is perfectly capable in defending his own points...

Nevertheless, I want to point out that while the airlines are not established to kill birds, they and many air travellers know full well that airplanes kill birds albeit unintentionally. Does that make these group of people less responsible for the dead birds?

Also, drug dealers don't sell drug to kill because then they would lose their client base, even though they know their drug can cause death.

Additionally, many of us when growing up have thrown things at frogs, birds, house pets etc, I don't that constitute cruelty to animal because the intend is more mischievous than to kill.

I will stop before I get carried away...

Disclaimer: Just some perspectives, not meant to defend Isenhauer's action.

[akrus]

From what I know, Italfrank is perfectly capable in defending his own points...

Nevertheless, I want to point out that while the airlines are not established to kill birds, they and many air travellers know full well that airplanes kill birds albeit unintentionally. Does that make these group of people less responsible for the dead birds?

Also, drug dealers don't sell drug to kill because then they would lose their client base, even though they know their drug can cause death.

Additionally, many of us when growing up have thrown things at frogs, birds, house pets etc, I don't that constitute cruelty to animal because the intend is more mischievous than to kill.

I will stop before I get carried away...

Disclaimer: Just some perspectives, not meant to defend Isenhauer's action.

Ok, I'm not even going to address your comments here as I think you're just going out of your way to be difficult, HOWEVER, I will say that I can understand the overall gist of what you and frank (and others) are trying to convey. Thing is - this thread was started to discuss:

- the fact that Trippy took repeated shots at a bird because he wanted to "shut it up" be that by scaring it or killing it... we'll never know. In my eyes, it's no different than a father or mother that shakes a newborn so violently that it dies. Next day in the paper, we'll read all about how "it wouldn't stop crying" or whatever;

This thread wasn't started to take on the entire eco-conciousness of our lifestyle. Stick to the topic people.

I bet many of you "grander view" types don't fair well in meetings...

[The Troll]

While both would be tragedies, there is a big difference between hitting a child with your car after they run out from between parked cars and going up on the sidewalk on purpose to run them down.

From what I'm reading the later wouldn't be a big deal 'cuz the former happens??????

[Golden Bear]

I'm a little surprised to see some posters actually defending Tripp.

But I'm glad they are. Now, I know that it's okay for me to hit into a group of golfers ahead of me, because people get hit by stray balls anyway, so what's the difference if it's intentional or not.

This is great. It's really going to help speed up play. Well, except for the times I have to bury someone on the course, but what can you do? These things happen. Especially if we make them happen.

[Bellyhungry]

Ok, I'm not even going to address your comments here as I think you're just going out of your way to be difficult, HOWEVER, I will say that I can understand the overall gist of what you and frank (and others) are trying to convey. Thing is - this thread was started to discuss:

- the fact that Trippy took repeated shots at a bird because he wanted to "shut it up" be that by scaring it or killing it... we'll never know. In my eyes, it's no different than a father or mother that shakes a newborn so violently that it dies. Next day in the paper, we'll read all about how "it wouldn't stop crying" or whatever;

This thread wasn't started to take on the entire eco-conciousness of our lifestyle. Stick to the topic people.

I bet many of you "grander view" types don't fair well in meetings...

It is a forum, I am just providing perspectives. I don't mean to be extra difficult but nor would I go with the popular opinions....

I myself is not passing judgement on Isenhauer's action and his defense, I gather it is up to the judge to decide.

I'm a little surprised to see some posters actually defending Tripp.

But I'm glad they are. Now, I know that it's okay for me to hit into a group of golfers ahead of me, because people get hit by stray balls anyway, so what's the difference if it's intentional or not.

This is great. It's really going to help speed up play. Well, except for the times I have to bury someone on the course, but what can you do? These things happen. Especially if we make them happen.

As for you Sir....I heard that a Guatemalan newspaper is questioning Jack's status in the history of golf ;)

[Samick]

Personally, and my last post on the matter, I think he should get a pretty good fine, maybe some repercussions from the tour for actions 'unbecoming of a professional', but no jail time. I would think that jail time is a bit unrealistic. :D

[Golden Bear]

As for you Sir....I heard that a Guatemalan newspaper is questioning Jack's status in the history of golf ;)WHAT?!?!

Excuse me for a few days ... I'm off to Guatemala. Anyone know if we have an extradition treaty with Guatemala? Just curious.

[akrus]

I don't mean to be extra difficult but nor would I go with the popular opinions....


Bizarre statement really. I think what you're trying to say is that you form your own opinion on a matter and take the stance that you feel comfortable with.

Otherwise, the way you put it, you would place an argument against topics such as the following:

- rape;
- child abuse;
- animal cruelty;
- etc

I do believe that the "popular opinion" out there on the above topics are against. Are you saying you would argue "for"?

Am I missing something, BH?

[Big Shooter]

You mean this isn't the Rob Ford thread?!!!