Harmon dumps Daly

[planet]

Good for Harmon. And probably good for Daly too, all these enablers who tell him how great he is don't do him any favors.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080311.wsptharmon11/GSStory/GlobeSportsGolf/home

[davepratt]

I think Harmon displayed a major lack of class. You don't kick a dog when he's down. I've fired many employees in the past, but I didn't drag their name through the mud and explain to the world why I canned them. Everybody is aware of Daly's troubles and Butch didn't need to go over the details.

[Pingeye2_fan]

I remember Daly was on Jimmy Kimmel a couple of years ago, Kimmel asked him how good he could be if he practiced more.

Daly replied, " Well Jimmy, I could practice more but I believe practice leads to inconsistency"
Thought it was a funny line.

[Samick]

Maybe unfair of Butch...maybe not....the thing is...when is this guy going to wake up and take responsibility for his life?

Butch isnt the first person to let him go. Ely Callaway had Daly put into rehab several times, and the guy just leaves and goes to Vegas on a bender. Ely gave him several chances...and ultimately an ultimatum. Drop the booze and antics, or Callaway drops you....you know the rest.

I have absolutely no sympathy for a man that not only wont help himself, but wont take the help of others. Its a terrible waste of talent. I'm with Butch on this one.

[Mule56]

I think Harmon displayed a major lack of class. You don't kick a dog when he's down. I've fired many employees in the past, but I didn't drag their name through the mud and explain to the world why I canned them. Everybody is aware of Daly's troubles and Butch didn't need to go over the details.

If you have ever known an alcoholic or a drug addict you'll know exactly what Butch means by this statement.
"I'm willing to help the kid, but until he helps himself and makes golf his No. 1 priority, I'm not his guy."
I can speak from personal experience, that Butch is point on and John needs to see it in print. The PGA and it's sponsor need a wake up call also. Until they quit babying John and make him clean up permanently, all they are doing is walking him to an early grave. If he was in any other sport he'd be suspended.
It's to bad. He has the so much potential and it would be nice to have him around for a while more. Any one remember John Belushi. They all kept quiet about him also.
Mule

[sharkhark]

I have to agree with it. I just read a little while ago about a tourney in which daly partied it up. Butch was recorded as saying something to effect "he would give a hall pass to daly for one time only".
That was just a couple weeks ago.
Butch harmon is a high level coach and from what I have read he doesn't charge any of the high profile players he teaches, just accommodations.

At what point does daly's constant second chances run out. You can't be subtle with him. Harmon going public may seem crude and rude but how else do you hit JD over the head. Definitely not sublety.

Lost of people are alcoholics but can you name one occupation where you get to combine your problem with your job? He has walked off courses, gotten drunk and played hung over.
I can't do that in my jobs?



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[Pingeye2_fan]

Good for Harmon. And probably good for Daly too, all these enablers who tell him how great he is don't do him any favors.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080311.wsptharmon11/GSStory/GlobeSportsGolf/home
In my opinion it is the people around him that are not really true friends and help him, maybe an intervention is in order.

[davepratt]

Man I hate to admit this to a bunch of misfits like you guys, but you've changed my mind. Butch probably is trying to send the message that Daly needs to hear. This is the one and only time I'll make an error in judgement so kindly disregard my one slip up.

[JEBS]

Man I hate to admit this to a bunch of misfits like you guys, but you've changed my mind. Butch probably is trying to send the message that Daly needs to hear. This is the one and only time I'll make an error in judgement so kindly disregard my one slip up.

Well done, very big of you !!

I think that JD is on the Belushi/Farley Highway and he is running out of exits. It would be good for the tour and the sponsors to look past his "draw" ability and refuse him exemptions until he is clean and a doctor gives him a good bill of health. I know that some people feel tha others cannot be helped unless they admit they have a problem, but sometimes that revelation comes in the final seconds after a heart attack or stroke.

[The Troll]

I think that JD is on the Belushi/Farley Highway and he is running out of exits.

I think that is a great way to look at it.

The sponsors are just riding him down that highway.

Imo, Butch did the right thing. You can't help someone who won't help themself.

[Big Shooter]

bye bye Butch, who cares!? :confused:

[landlord]

Let's not make Butch Harmon into some kind of altruistic hero, "just doing the right thing" and so on. He may or may not have Daly's best interest in mind by canning him (although I agree it's in Daly's best interest to suffer a few more consequences). I'm not suggesting Butch is unkind either, but it's only half the story.

The other half -- the bigger half, IMO -- is that Butch can't afford to be connected to losers. He's got a big reputation and an even-bigger ego.

This idea that we can "raise the bottom" of addicts by intervention is fairly recent and certainly not a sure thing. It works in some cases, but just as often sends the addict into an even-worse spiral. The main benefit -- and an important one -- is that those who intervened got something off their chest.

We shall see. I for one am not holding my breath.

[Bellyhungry]

Would Winn Grips cancel airing of the commercial featuring Harmon, Daly, and Gulbis?

[Mule56]

Let's not make Butch Harmon into some kind of altruistic hero, "just doing the right thing" and so on. He may or may not have Daly's best interest in mind by canning him (although I agree it's in Daly's best interest to suffer a few more consequences). I'm not suggesting Butch is unkind either, but it's only half the story.

The other half -- the bigger half, IMO -- is that Butch can't afford to be connected to losers. He's got a big reputation and an even-bigger ego.

This idea that we can "raise the bottom" of addicts by intervention is fairly recent and certainly not a sure thing. It works in some cases, but just as often sends the addict into an even-worse spiral. The main benefit -- and an important one -- is that those who intervened got something off their chest.

We shall see. I for one am not holding my breath.

You may be right about Butch's reputation and only Butch knows that for sure. Intervention is not recent and but you correct that it is not a sure thing. As a matter of fact the success rate is less then 15 % for continued recovery in addiction. But that is better then 0. It has worked for me for 20 years.
I'm not sure what you mean by "is that those who intervened got something off their chest" as no one I know has done it for that reason. Most do it because they can't stand to see a waste of a human life they care for.
Butch is fully aware of what it takes. Look at his family history. He has seen this story before, up close, real close.
You may also be right about holding your breath. That is one thing I sure hope your wrong about.
Mule

[cldale]

Man I hate to admit this to a bunch of misfits like you guys, but you've changed my mind. Butch probably is trying to send the message that Daly needs to hear. This is the one and only time I'll make an error in judgement so kindly disregard my one slip up.

Having read a fair number of interviews with Butch, I'd have taken this as a "tough love" move as well. Daly needs to be embarrased and the PGA needs to set an example here. You're supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL...

[hogannut]

Are they still going to make Winn grip commercials?

[Flog]

Harmon is right; there comes a time when you have to separate the wheat from the chaff and Daly just doesn't have the mental goods to keep his eyes on the prize. He's the author of his own demise and Harmon warned him it was coming. You harvest what you sow and Daly ordered his own discontent.

[Golden Bear]

Harmon's right to ditch him. Whether it's "good" for Daly or not ... Well, only if he decides he needs to shape up. Unfortunately John just thinks he's a "good old boy" who's misunderstood. He believes he doesn't have a drinking problem, he just likes to drink a lot, and that that's okay. In his eyes, being drunk all the time and needing to be drunk all the time isn't the same thing as having a drinking problem.

John Daly has absolutely no desire to turn his life around. He just wants people to shut up about it. And that is why I don't believe anything can straighten Daly out. Ever. He's on his way to an early grave, and that's just fine with him, so there's no use hoping he'll change his ways.

[landlord]

Intervention is not recent but you are correct that it is not a sure thing. As a matter of fact the success rate is less then 15% for continued recovery in addiction. But that is better then 0. It has worked for me for 20 years.
I quit 32 years ago, then again (!) 20 years ago. "Intervention" the first time, self-imposed the 2nd. It's true that interventions have always been happening, but I don't recall anybody calling it that back in the day. There is a fairly recent (to me 20 years is recent) style of intervention that has entered contemporary mythology (Oprah?) and become standardized.

I'm not sure what you mean by "those who intervened got something off their chest" as no one I know has done it for that reason.

I can't argue anybody's motives but I think it'd vary person to person. No doubt the primary impulse is one of caring. The thing is, given the lousy success rate, you might still have to say that the surest benefit is to the interveners. If the intervened-on person goes on to continued recovery, well hey, everybody wins.

[Mule56]

but I don't recall anybody calling it that back in the day.
Didn't Bill call it 12 stepping. ;)
Mule

[GQuizzle]

Strong move on Butch's part, but Daly needs to loos everything before he realizes that his personal problems are destroying his life as a whole... all the fan adoration and sponsor perks will encourage his drinking.

[JEBS]

I had a friend who let his "persona" take over his life. In highschool he started out a very bright guy who had an amazing talent for football. As he progressed though HS his grades went south as he became known for being the big "Jock". He had to show up at a party with a 24 for himself because that is what people started to expect from him. He could have had a free ticket to well over a dozen big football schools but he decided that the rugby lifestyle of playing and partying was more to his liking. He got so tied up into being the Big Man in high school he dropped courses in grade 13 and had to go back for grade 14:eek:. The sad thing being that he was a straight A student up until grade 11. He became the "dumb" jock that people expected him to be and found more addictions on the way. He had smoke more dope than anyone else, he had to do more coke than anybody else and if you had 5 drinks he would drink 10 etc.

Eventualy we drifted apart once best friends now we mak talk every 2 years. I remember him coming to TO to "crash" for a couple of days until I found out that he was on the run from a Quebec Biker gang. At that time I had to tell him that he has to turn himself around, get help or at least face his demons or else the next time I would see him would be at his funeral. I do not think my words held any effect on him but luckily his father stepped in and gave him an incredible amount of tough love. Whatever he did it had some effect since my buddy is still alive and seems to find some peace with himself.

I guess my point is Daly is seen as the flag bearer for the common man. He reflects so many people's demons and they love him for it. He makes a heck of alot of money being John Daly and maybe deep down he feels he will betray his fans if becomes what is considered a more "professional athelete" He may see that being who he is is the only way to get the attention he craves.

[Ben Hogans]

Daly doesn’t show up for pro-am round at Bay Hill

One day after being fired by his swing coach, John Daly missed his pro-am time Wednesday at the Arnold Palmer Invitational and was disqualified from the tournament.

Daly, invited to Bay Hill on a sponsor’s exemption, told tournament officials he thought his tee time was 9:47 a.m. instead of 8:40 a.m. He was on his way to the golf course when told there was no point in showing up.

His disqualification wound up knocking two other players out of the tournament.

Ryuji Imada and Nick O’Hern thought they were alternates for the afternoon session of the pro-am. Neither was at Bay Hill when Daly missed his time, so they also were disqualified from playing this week.

Imada was among those who tied for second last week at the PODS Championship, and at No. 68 in the world, he is trying to crack the top 50 to qualify for the Masters.

O’Hern was furious to learn he had been disqualified, especially because he lives only five minutes away at Isleworth.


“When I should have been on the tee, I was giving my girls breakfast,” O’Hern said. “I thought common sense would have prevailed. This is a tough one to take. Unfortunately, we got caught up in John’s snowball effect.”

Daly could not be located for comment, and his agent, Bud Martin, did not immediately return a phone call.

[Bellyhungry]

Daly doesn’t show up for pro-am round at Bay Hill

One day after being fired by his swing coach, John Daly missed his pro-am time Wednesday at the Arnold Palmer Invitational and was disqualified from the tournament.

Daly, invited to Bay Hill on a sponsor’s exemption, told tournament officials he thought his tee time was 9:47 a.m. instead of 8:40 a.m. He was on his way to the golf course when told there was no point in showing up.

His disqualification wound up knocking two other players out of the tournament.

Ryuji Imada and Nick O’Hern thought they were alternates for the afternoon session of the pro-am. Neither was at Bay Hill when Daly missed his time, so they also were disqualified from playing this week.

Imada was among those who tied for second last week at the PODS Championship, and at No. 68 in the world, he is trying to crack the top 50 to qualify for the Masters.

O’Hern was furious to learn he had been disqualified, especially because he lives only five minutes away at Isleworth.


“When I should have been on the tee, I was giving my girls breakfast,” O’Hern said. “I thought common sense would have prevailed. This is a tough one to take. Unfortunately, we got caught up in John’s snowball effect.”

Daly could not be located for comment, and his agent, Bud Martin, did not immediately return a phone call.

OK, Daly is a ticking time bomb, but how are the DQs of Imada and O'Hearn be blamed on him?

[Ben Hogans]

OK, Daly is a ticking time bomb, but how are the DQs of Imada and O'Hearn be blamed on him?

Not really sure. I'll try and look it up.

Not really sure. I'll try and look it up.

I'm guessing....Maybe because they were the next 2 after Daly. After JD was DQ'd, they wer next in line. Because they were not at the course, they too were DQ'd

[The Troll]

After JD was DQ'd, they wer next in line. Because they were not at the course, they too were DQ'd

Yup.

_______________

Fredrik Jacobson (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=540) was the first alternate in the morning but had been excused due to illness. Ryuji Imada (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=214) and Nick O'Hern (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=489) were next on the morning alternate list, but neither was on the property, so both were declared ineligible for the tournament.

(http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=2603)
Michael Letzig (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=2603) is replacing Imada in the field and Peter Lonard (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=277) is replacing O'Hern.





Ian Poulter (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=619), who was the first alternate in the afternoon pro-am, happened to be on the property and took Daly's spot. Tag Ridings (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=982) replaced Daly in the tournament field.


PGA Tour rules require those in the pro-am to participate or risk being ineligible for the event. And it applies to alternates, whose job it is to know where they are on the list and be prepared in case someone drops out.

[MannyR]

Well done, very big of you !!

I think that JD is on the Belushi/Farley Highway and he is running out of exits. It would be good for the tour and the sponsors to look past his "draw" ability and refuse him exemptions until he is clean and a doctor gives him a good bill of health. I know that some people feel tha others cannot be helped unless they admit they have a problem, but sometimes that revelation comes in the final seconds after a heart attack or stroke.
Well said...everyone is turning a blind eye...the signs are all there...multiple failed marriages, drinking, smoking, weight gain, drugs (who knows).

It will be very sad if our worst fears are realized.

[sharkhark]

I had a friend who let his "persona" take over his life. In highschool he started out a very bright guy who had an amazing talent for football. As he progressed though HS his grades went south as he became known for being the big "Jock". He had to show up at a party with a 24 for himself because that is what people started to expect from him. He could have had a free ticket to well over a dozen big football schools but he decided that the rugby lifestyle of playing and partying was more to his liking. He got so tied up into being the Big Man in high school he dropped courses in grade 13 and had to go back for grade 14:eek:. The sad thing being that he was a straight A student up until grade 11. He became the "dumb" jock that people expected him to be and found more addictions on the way. He had smoke more dope than anyone else, he had to do more coke than anybody else and if you had 5 drinks he would drink 10 etc.

Eventualy we drifted apart once best friends now we mak talk every 2 years. I remember him coming to TO to "crash" for a couple of days until I found out that he was on the run from a Quebec Biker gang. At that time I had to tell him that he has to turn himself around, get help or at least face his demons or else the next time I would see him would be at his funeral. I do not think my words held any effect on him but luckily his father stepped in and gave him an incredible amount of tough love. Whatever he did it had some effect since my buddy is still alive and seems to find some peace with himself.

I guess my point is Daly is seen as the flag bearer for the common man. He reflects so many people's demons and they love him for it. He makes a heck of alot of money being John Daly and maybe deep down he feels he will betray his fans if becomes what is considered a more "professional athelete" He may see that being who he is is the only way to get the attention he craves.

IN college I made a new buddy, best friends to this day. He had a friend of his that I loved partying with until I realized he was an angry drunk. Your best friend until someone upset him, then a fight, or fight with you over trying to stop things. Real good looking guy, girls loved him.
I couldn't take it anymore, he wouldn't get help, my buddy tried as well. Gradually we hadn't seen him for two years.

My buddy gets call his/my old friend had thrown himself off a bridge onto the gardiner and got run over by a go bus. Dead.

People with alcohol do not need soft hand approaches, softness leads to what I just described, a dead friend.
The publicity over his dropping jd will in my best guess make no diff as john will continue using up the last of his credit until he is barred from the pga. But it definitely could possibly make a difference, so no ill will towards butch for his decision

[Bellyhungry]

I recall seeing Daly in Golf Digest's money ranking a couple of months ago.

For someone who plays sporatically and nonchalantly, his total earning (mostly off course) was around $8M USD the year the list was compiled.

[tourdeep]

I recall seeing Daly in Golf Digest's money ranking a couple of months ago.

For someone who plays sporatically and nonchalantly, his total earning (mostly off course) was around $8M USD the year the list was compiled.
Money is not an issue for this guy for sure!! I think the problem is what he does with alot of it, well after the wives are paid off that is!!:D

[hogannut]

I see this scenario in the same way I see the Michelle Wie situation. JD has had NUMEROUS opportunities to turn his life around, yet continues to screw up. How many times is this guy going to be given a break.

He's not a 20 or even 30 something anymore, he is now into his 40's. He needs to grow up and decide what his priorities are. IMO....he doesn't have the maturity to play pro tournament golf.

LIke MW with the multuple chances at competing in sponsor exemptions, enough is enough. There are other guys out there who are waaaayyyy more interested in playing tournament golf.

JD.....quit smoking, quit drinking, lose your big fat gut and put some effort into your God given talents. If not, stop playing and using up valuable spots that someone who is truly interested in competing would love to have.

IE.....$hit or get off the pot!!

[Bellyhungry]

New development:


By Norman Dabell

SEVILLE, Spain, April 30 (Reuters) - Coach Butch Harmon has apologised for sacking John Daly over suspicions of heavy drinking, the twice major champion said on Wednesday.

Harmon parted company with his fellow American, who has plummeted to 595th in the world rankings, after media reports that Daly had been drinking in the hospitality tent of one of his charities at last month’s Tampa Bay Championship.

But the player said he was promoting his charity, not drinking.

“I called him (Harmon) the other day and he said he realised he didn’t get his facts right and he felt bad about it,” Daly told a news conference on the eve of the Spanish Open. “He has apologised to me.

“After what Butch said…my marketability went right down. I told him ‘you cost me quite a bit of money through the stuff that you said, I wish you would have called me then you could have got the facts straight.”

Daly said reports of him partying and drinking were “a bunch of lies”.

“When you’re playing badly they want to make up rumours,” added the 42-year-old former British Open and U.S. PGA champion. “People around me know the good I’m doing.”

Daly said he and Harmon, who coaches several top players and used to guide world number one Tiger Woods, would not be working together again in the future.

The Spanish Open and next week’s Italian Open will give Daly a chance to focus on his game again.
After recently undergoing keyhole rib surgery he hopes to turn around his putting fortunes, his malaise for several years, but doubts whether he will try to qualify for the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines in California in June.

[Merlot]

New development:


By Norman Dabell

SEVILLE, Spain, April 30 (Reuters) - Coach Butch Harmon has apologised for sacking John Daly over suspicions of heavy drinking, the twice major champion said on Wednesday.

Harmon parted company with his fellow American, who has plummeted to 595th in the world rankings, after media reports that Daly had been drinking in the hospitality tent of one of his charities at last month’s Tampa Bay Championship.

But the player said he was promoting his charity, not drinking.

“I called him (Harmon) the other day and he said he realised he didn’t get his facts right and he felt bad about it,” Daly told a news conference on the eve of the Spanish Open. “He has apologised to me.

“After what Butch said…my marketability went right down. I told him ‘you cost me quite a bit of money through the stuff that you said, I wish you would have called me then you could have got the facts straight.”

Daly said reports of him partying and drinking were “a bunch of lies”.

“When you’re playing badly they want to make up rumours,” added the 42-year-old former British Open and U.S. PGA champion. “People around me know the good I’m doing.”

Daly said he and Harmon, who coaches several top players and used to guide world number one Tiger Woods, would not be working together again in the future.

The Spanish Open and next week’s Italian Open will give Daly a chance to focus on his game again.
After recently undergoing keyhole rib surgery he hopes to turn around his putting fortunes, his malaise for several years, but doubts whether he will try to qualify for the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines in California in June.

Do you think it's true that Butch apologized? Not to many bigger egos then Butch's around. Can't see him apologizing in public anyway. If it's all true, hopefully he does.

IN college I made a new buddy, best friends to this day. He had a friend of his that I loved partying with until I realized he was an angry drunk. Your best friend until someone upset him, then a fight, or fight with you over trying to stop things. Real good looking guy, girls loved him.
I couldn't take it anymore, he wouldn't get help, my buddy tried as well. Gradually we hadn't seen him for two years.

My buddy gets call his/my old friend had thrown himself off a bridge onto the gardiner and got run over by a go bus. Dead.

People with alcohol do not need soft hand approaches, softness leads to what I just described, a dead friend.
The publicity over his dropping jd will in my best guess make no diff as john will continue using up the last of his credit until he is barred from the pga. But it definitely could possibly make a difference, so no ill will towards butch for his decision

Sad story. It's tough to approach people with problems like that. Getting through to them with one approach for all may not be the answer.

One thing I know doesn't work for many is the hard line 'get lost' approach if you don't change. Presence and understanding but not enabling seems to work best for most. Fine line I guess.

Butch's approach was more for himself then John. He felt disrespected and his ego got the best of him from what I heard he said in public. Definitely didn't do what he did for John's sake. Just wanted to let everyone know once again who he thinks is the boss.

My opinion of course. I have had some problems. Some group therapy helped me realize I am not any better then others. Just took me so long to go to group therapy and not feel embarrased. The more I stop trying to fight my ego, the less it appears for me.

[Richard]

Harmon did cost JD some bucks but if JD cared about his game he would heed his words.

He needs to get his head back in the game and lose a bunch of weight if he really wants to continue on the PGA tour.

That latest video is so over the top I suspect JDs career is over. It is sad to watch.

Given his overall tour performance he likely has capitalized on his talent in monetary terms more so than others with similar stats. How long can he keep his brand in Walmart?

[Merlot]

Harmon did cost JD some bucks but if JD cared about his game he would heed his words.

He needs to get his head back in the game and lose a bunch of weight if he really wants to continue on the PGA tour.

That latest video is so over the top I suspect JDs career is over. It is sad to watch.

Given his overall tour performance he likely has capitalized on his talent in monetary terms more so than others with similar stats. How long can he keep his brand in Walmart?

So sad. He looked terrible in that video. Seemed to relish his gut with no shirt on. His weight is probably a side effect if you will of his real problems.

You would think the cash would stop flowing sooner then later.

[Richard]

Yep, his weight is definitely a side-effect of his real problems. Whatever they are he needs to conquer them.

My guess is he likely had a six pack or two down before the camera rolled.

[Flog]

The media has way more influence then people believe, too. Once a 'suitable replacement' has been found to appeal to the average guy then Daly will be cut loose faster than a flaming turd. I think that's why the media is paying so much attention to Boo Weekly-- he's Daly's replacement. He's the "aw shucks" good ol' boy they've been waiting and searching for. I think Daly's career is over regardless of what he does in the near future because the media will turn on him as soon as they sense the pulse of the country is leaning towards Weekly and away from Daly. Just my 0.02, but it seems like the writing's on the wall.

[Merlot]

John has won 2 majors. Would be great if a guy like Boo could win one or 2 but a long shot at best most likely.

Those majors will still allow him to make some cash albeit not what he is used to, specially in the US. With the way it seems he is going, he may not be with us for much longer.

[Smully]

In my Opinion, Butch Harmon is an oppurtunist,Daly has all the Credentials, to make any ah these so called golf gurus, famous, Lets face it, who was Palmers guru, Nicklausees Guru,Trevinos, Guru, yah no who nobody, These guys are like leaches,prey on talented athleates success, How`s Michelle Wie doin with her Guru, Exactly,Nicklause, made a profound statement yrs, ago when, ask, why he didn`t use a teacher, His answer, at the time was, Why would I hire a guy to teach me that couldn`t break 80 on the tour, CaseClosed, This Harmon Guy, assumes Daly is done, no glory for Him, so he bails ship,Every once in awhile what goes round comes round.

[Merlot]

In my Opinion, Butch Harmon is an oppurtunist,Daly has all the Credentials, to make any ah these so called golf gurus, famous, Lets face it, who was Palmers guru, Nicklausees Guru,Trevinos, Guru, yah no who nobody, These guys are like leaches,prey on talented athleates success, How`s Michelle Wie doin with her Guru, Exactly,Nicklause, made a profound statement yrs, ago when, ask, why he didn`t use a teacher, His answer, at the time was, Why would I hire a guy to teach me that couldn`t break 80 on the tour, CaseClosed, This Harmon Guy, assumes Daly is done, no glory for Him, so he bails ship,Every once in awhile what goes round comes round.

Though I believe teachers can help, if I was a tour player, I would like someone who could truly relate to what I am going thru with the swing and tournamnet play etc...

Being able to relate to a player adn what he feels must be tough. It isn't a broad life experinece thing like an opinion on raising kids etc...

As far as Butch goes specifically, he is his own biggest fan and benefitted and took advantage of the 'old boys club' he was born into.

There was a instructor on the GolfChannel last night. He expalined a drill then hit a drive. He clearly hit it well because he said " If I could do that everytime I would be on tour" :eek: Gotta like that.:)

[nearace]

Golf instructor Butch Harmon spoke to John Daly (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=97) last week, but said he did not offer an apology for parting ways with the troubled golfer after reports that he had been drinking in a hospitality tent at a March PGA Tour event.
Daly, at the Spanish Open in Seville, Spain, told a news conference Wednesday that Harmon had apologized to him after learning that the two-time major champion had "lost quite a bit of money through the stuff that you said."
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/story/design07/dropQuote.gif http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0421/pga_g_harmon_65.jpgI told him that he had no one to blame but himself, that 'until you start realizing that you're the cause of all this and get some help, you're going to continue to have problems.' I told him I would be glad to help. But I wasn't going to retract anything that I said. http://assets.espn.go.com/i/story/design07/dropQuoteEnd.gif

-- Butch Harmon from espn

[ginrin]

In my Opinion, Butch Harmon is an oppurtunist,Daly has all the Credentials, to make any ah these so called golf gurus, famous, Lets face it, who was Palmers guru, Nicklausees Guru,Trevinos, Guru, yah no who nobody, These guys are like leaches,prey on talented athleates success, How`s Michelle Wie doin with her Guru, Exactly,Nicklause, made a profound statement yrs, ago when, ask, why he didn`t use a teacher, His answer, at the time was, Why would I hire a guy to teach me that couldn`t break 80 on the tour, CaseClosed, This Harmon Guy, assumes Daly is done, no glory for Him, so he bails ship,Every once in awhile what goes round comes round.
Jack Nicklaus relied heavily on Jack Grout and after his death McLean,who Jack said help him win the 86 Masters.

[Merlot]

Jack Nicklaus relied heavily on Jack Grout and after his death McLean,who Jack said help him win the 86 Masters.

Maybe it depended what mood Jack was in.:rolleyes: :rofl: