The $100,000 club

[BowmanvilleJim]

Does the number of public employees making more than $100,000 bother you?
Is $100,000 an appropriate cut off number?
Do you even think that publicly listing those people is fair to them?
Does it serve and real purpose at all?

[cldale]

Does the number of public employees making more than $100,000 bother you?
Is $100,000 an appropriate cut off number?
Do you even think that publicly listing those people is fair to them?
Does it serve and real purpose at all?

Not at all, public employees should always be paid a salary which is competitive to ensure that the public sector attracts high quality talent, and to eliminate potential conflicts of interest and corruption.

Also, $100k isn't what it used to be. Its not really enough to own a home and raise a family of 4 inside Toronto.

[esidirop]

Also, $100k isn't what it used to be. Its not really enough to own a home and raise a family of 4 inside Toronto.

Couldnt agree more!...

I dont know how most people survive with a) mortgage's, car payments, kids sports and enrolments, groceries, taxes, cable, luxuries like golf, mistressess:eek:, commuting and gas etc.

Honestly.. i employee a team of twelve, who make about 65k each, plus there significant others make 40 ish... and I dont know how they do it, and thats not bad!!!!

Both Parties need to work to survive these days...

Most families in canada make a combined 65g's.. and they make ends meet somehow or live a life of Debt...

I need to get into an underground business i think??:hyper:

[cldale]

It depends on where you choose to live i guess. 65k/yr is decent if you're living outside of Toronto, two people making $65k are in good enough shape. The fact that most decent government jobs are in Toronto though means they need to pay Toronto wages.

I know a couple people who work for the government, and they are all very smart, very qualified people, and I don't think they are remotely overpaid for their level of skill, underpaid if anything.

Couldnt agree more!...

I dont know how most people survive with a) mortgage's, car payments, kids sports and enrolments, groceries, taxes, cable, luxuries like golf, mistressess:eek:, commuting and gas etc.

Honestly.. i employee a team of twelve, who make about 65k each, plus there significant others make 40 ish... and I dont know how they do it, and thats not bad!!!!

Both Parties need to work to survive these days...

Most families in canada make a combined 65g's.. and they make ends meet somehow or live a life of Debt...

I need to get into an underground business i think??:hyper:

[kookie]

When I read some of the salaries on the list, almost all of the jobs deserve the salary listed...but a couple salaries kinda surprised me and thought it was a high for that position(s).

[BowmanvilleJim]

Which jobs do your feel are overpaid?

[ginrin]

The problem with gov. workers is the stigma of not working too hard.I'm sure the benefits they get is probably adding 30% to that salary.Having said that I believe garbage collectors.and some TTC ticket collectors making $26 an hour and then complaining about wages irks me to no end.

[skt07]

The problem with gov. workers is the stigma of not working too hard.I'm sure the benefits they get is probably adding 30% to that salary.Having said that I believe garbage collectors.and some TTC ticket collectors making $26 an hour and then complaining about wages irks me to no end.

I personally wouldn't be a garbage collector for $26 an hour! I don't think I would do it for even twice that! Whatever they are paid, it's worth it and I'm glad they do it.

As for the ticket collectors, you could probably replace most of them with machines for what they are paid in salary and benefits in a year.

And $100k certainly doesn't go as far as it used to. They should have been increasing the threshhold for getting on the list with inflation from the time the list started. It would probably be up to well over $110k if they started the list 5 years ago (I don't know when the list started).

[BowmanvilleJim]

I believe the list was started in 1996 and the $100,000 mark hasn't been changed since it started.

[leftintherough]

I believe the list was started in 1996 and the $100,000 mark hasn't been changed since it started.

If they indexed it for 3% each year, the correct total for 2008 would be around $142,000. This would make more sense.

[BowmanvilleJim]

It would be a better number but I just don't see what positive purpose it serves. All it does is give ammunition to those who think no public employee should be paid a decent wage.

It's a political stunt only.

[cldale]

Agreed, its kind of indignant to have your Salary posted to everyone, and it only serves to raise discontent amongst people who think that nobody should make that much.

[Flog]

The problem with gov. workers is the stigma of not working too hard.I'm sure the benefits they get is probably adding 30% to that salary.Having said that I believe garbage collectors.and some TTC ticket collectors making $26 an hour and then complaining about wages irks me to no end.

Garbage collection is a hard job with no regard to weather or daylight. The trash has to be picked up and if they don't get it done, they don't go home. Taking a holiday only means playing catch-up when they get back, too.
I'm not a garbage-man but I had a friend who was and it's not an easy job at all. Well worth $26/hour and likely a lot more than that. Comparing that to a ticket collector is just wrong.

[mikejb]

Speaking with one individual who works in governement, as interesting as it is for us to chat about who is on the list, government employees circle the date this list comes out.

They love it, and it is all part of some employees mentality that they cannot beleive so and so makes that much money.

I think the list is a hoot. Some of these guys would be making a lot more money in the private sector than they do in governemt. We should be thankful they are even there working for a few yerars at the pay they make.

[guitarman]

Garbage collection is a hard job with no regard to weather or daylight. The trash has to be picked up and if they don't get it done, they don't go home. Taking a holiday only means playing catch-up when they get back, too.
I'm not a garbage-man but I had a friend who was and it's not an easy job at all. Well worth $26/hour and likely a lot more than that. Comparing that to a ticket collector is just wrong.

There are lots of jobs that are harder than garbage collection with less money. They should quite whining and be thankful they have a job.

[cldale]

There are lots of jobs that are harder than garbage collection with less money. They should quite whining and be thankful they have a job.

Name a few.

My wife's uncle was a garbage collector (Recently retired) and I haven't seen anyone with a tougher, nastier job. This was the first year he was with his family for Christmas (being Catholic, the family celebrates on the evening of the 24th, before mass).

Working in the elements is tough on the body, even if the work itself isn't particularly physical. Add to that a physically demanding job, and its not something i'd ever want to do, thats for sure.

[Cybergolfer]

The problem with gov. workers is the stigma of not working too hard.I'm sure the benefits they get is probably adding 30% to that salary.Having said that I believe garbage collectors.and some TTC ticket collectors making $26 an hour and then complaining about wages irks me to no end.

Out in Etobicoke where I live garbage collection is private. I don't recall them complaining so much in wages but more a safety issue.

There are lots of jobs that are harder than garbage collection with less money. They should quite whining and be thankful they have a job.

Name a few will you that are in the GTA.

[guitarman]

Name a few.

My wife's uncle was a garbage collector (Recently retired) and I haven't seen anyone with a tougher, nastier job. This was the first year he was with his family for Christmas (being Catholic, the family celebrates on the evening of the 24th, before mass).

Working in the elements is tough on the body, even if the work itself isn't particularly physical. Add to that a physically demanding job, and its not something i'd ever want to do, thats for sure.

In the early 1980's I worked on billboards in the city of London for a company called gould. Barely above minimum wage. I was out there in all the elements I worked on catwalks anywhere from 2 to 5 stories off the ground. While carrying metal panels for billboards I've had wind gusts knock them in to my head. While crawling in between double sided billboards I've had my clothing shredded and my skin shredded. I could go on and on. I would have given my left nut to haul garbage away for the money they are making. We have to make sure the garbage bags arent over a certain weight because it might make it too heavey for the whiners. Which brings me to my next worse than garbage collecting job.
Working at a company called Techincan Pacific in the early 1990s. We built swimming pools. I worked in the stees shop. Carrying around 150 pounds of weight all day. 12 hour days all summer to keep up with the orders. I was continually cut open on parts of my body from the sharp metal and have a scar on my shoulder. No unions to protect us from lifting too much or working too hard. If you didn't like it you didn't work. I would have given both my nuts to get out of that job and collected garbage. It would have felt like a holiday. The elements didn't kill you until the summer when you couldn't breathe in the shop and you still had to do all that lifting. Pay was about 10 bucks an hour.

[Cybergolfer]

[quote=guitarman]In the early 1980's I worked on billboards in the city of London for a company called gould. Barely above minimum wage. I was out there in all the elements I worked on catwalks anywhere from 2 to 5 stories off the ground. While carrying metal panels for billboards I've had wind gusts knock them in to my head. While crawling in between double sided billboards I've had my clothing shredded and my skin shredded. I could go on and on. I would have given my left nut to haul garbage away for the money they are making. We have to make sure the garbage bags arent over a certain weight because it might make it too heavey for the whiners. Which brings me to my next worse than garbage collecting job.


Nobody put a gun to your head

[ScrambleforDoubleBog]

In the early 1980's I worked on billboards in the city of London for a company called gould. Barely above minimum wage. I was out there in all the elements I worked on catwalks anywhere from 2 to 5 stories off the ground. While carrying metal panels for billboards I've had wind gusts knock them in to my head. While crawling in between double sided billboards I've had my clothing shredded and my skin shredded. I could go on and on. I would have given my left nut to haul garbage away for the money they are making. We have to make sure the garbage bags arent over a certain weight because it might make it too heavey for the whiners. Which brings me to my next worse than garbage collecting job.
Working at a company called Techincan Pacific in the early 1990s. We built swimming pools. I worked in the stees shop. Carrying around 150 pounds of weight all day. 12 hour days all summer to keep up with the orders. I was continually cut open on parts of my body from the sharp metal and have a scar on my shoulder. No unions to protect us from lifting too much or working too hard. If you didn't like it you didn't work. I would have given both my nuts to get out of that job and collected garbage. It would have felt like a holiday. The elements didn't kill you until the summer when you couldn't breathe in the shop and you still had to do all that lifting. Pay was about 10 bucks an hour.

Sounds like a tough gig, but I still wouldn't bash garbage collectors.

Hours for them are long and get's pretty rank during the summer heat. I appreciate all the garbage collectors out there.

[guitarman]

[quote=guitarman]In the early 1980's I worked on billboards in the city of London for a company called gould. Barely above minimum wage. I was out there in all the elements I worked on catwalks anywhere from 2 to 5 stories off the ground. While carrying metal panels for billboards I've had wind gusts knock them in to my head. While crawling in between double sided billboards I've had my clothing shredded and my skin shredded. I could go on and on. I would have given my left nut to haul garbage away for the money they are making. We have to make sure the garbage bags arent over a certain weight because it might make it too heavey for the whiners. Which brings me to my next worse than garbage collecting job.


Nobody put a gun to your head

And the same thing should be said of a garbage collector that whines.

[Smully]

When services, out weigh,product, producers, aka, teachers, postal, fireman, cops, politicions, etc,etc, Does the TITANIC, ring a bell, cause we will sink.

[Cybergolfer]

[quote=Cybergolfer]

And the same thing should be said of a garbage collector that whines.

True why pick on them why not pick on those who make obsence amounts that whine.

[guitarman]

[quote=guitarman]

True why pick on them why not pick on those who make obsence amounts that whine.

I'll pick on anyone who whines no matter what they make. As someone in this thread said; "no ones holding a gun to your head".

[kookie]

Which jobs do your feel are overpaid?

One that caught my eye was "Technical Support Analyst". There are 4 listed at: $100K, $102K, $104K and $111K.

Now, I don't know if overtime is added and what the job duties are. So maybe that person(s) work extra hours or the job involves lots of stress???

I figured "Technical Support" jobs in the hi-tech industry was $60K-$75K

I just checked Monster.ca and a "Technical Support Analyst III" makes between $50K - $60K ($60K top tier) in Toronto (which is what I thought).

Anyways, that great for them! I may have to send my resume over if I ever loose my job!

There were a couple of others that got my attention, but again good for them...

As for listing people's salary to the public, well to me since it is the government I would like to know where my tax dollars are being spent. If it was a private company, I could care less...they can do what ever they want.

Maybe it would have been better if they didn't list the names of people and just the job title and salary.

I don't mind paying higher/more taxes but as long as it is spent well.

[Tyger]

I know how much my bosses make now:rolleyes:

[Merlot]

There are lots of jobs that are harder than garbage collection with less money. They should quite whining and be thankful they have a job.

Wow, I was surprised by your thoughts on Garbage collectors. Its really not that much money. I have read past posts and thought it was unusual but what the hell do I know.

The private contractors pay less and just a few people get wealthy and the employees along with all the people working in retail stores wlamart are below the poverty line.

I do alright but I am single and my money goes along way. But I pay the people that work for/with me pretty well as compared to others in the same busines. I could chisel them down but I feel like **** after. Plus the job site turns into a soap opera. Seen it many times. An ugly, vile soap opera.

$20 an hour is $800 a week x 47 or 48 weeks? For people who don't get paid on holidays or little to know benefits which seems apply to most low wage earners, it doesn't add up to that much.

[owenmxz600]

Who gives a **** how much someone else makes, I don't know why it would bother anyone... other then being jealous that their not making that much:cool:

[kookie]

Who gives a **** how much someone else makes, I don't know why it would bother anyone... other then being jealous that their not making that much:cool:

Yeah I usually don't care...I don't really care that Tiger makes $100+ million, McCabe making $6 million or Oprah makes $250 million per year.

But in this case it's tax dollars...

I like to see it spent on things like hospital beds (since there doesn't seem to be enough beds to go around), education (OSAP), helping the low-income families etc.).

As I stated in earlier, most of the salaries listed are justified. But having redundant positions and/or paying double the salary of what the going rate is kinda raises my eyebrows.

[Chris]

Who gives a **** how much someone else makes, I don't know why it would bother anyone... other then being jealous that their not making that much:cool:

Do not think it has to do with jealous, but more a fact that it is tax payers money..ie. 'our money'. That being said I don't see anything wrong with ppl in the public sector making 100k, as it has already been pointed out 100k isn't too much these days especially living in an urban centre. Also why, should a garbage man not make $26/hr..remember this is the person's living, they are needed and as such should be paid an avg wage that allows them to live on. Think list should be increased to 250k and not be given such media attention.

In some cases I think public employees are under paid, police wages came out the other day and chief makes somewhere around 230k, the same amount of employees he is managing and responsibility in the private sector would pay how many millions? Definite case of being under paid.

[Merlot]

Do not think it has to do with jealous, but more a fact that it is tax payers money..ie. 'our money'. That being said I don't see anything wrong with ppl in the public sector making 100k, as it has already been pointed out 100k isn't too much these days especially living in an urban centre. Also why, should a garbage man not make $26/hr..remember this is the person's living, they are needed and as such should be paid an avg wage that allows them to live on. Think list should be increased to 250k and not be given such media attention.

In some cases I think public employees are under paid, police wages came out the other day and chief makes somewhere around 230k, the same amount of employees he is managing and responsibility in the private sector would pay how many millions? Definite case of being under paid.

Superb point.

The problem with people earning a fair wage is that it will cut directly into the bottom line of their own cash. They spin it around and say they can't afford to have the minimum wage raised. They will have to raise prices adn that will cost the consumer in the end.

I believe the end of capitalism as we know it will happen within this century.. I am not saying we will all be socialists but with the dawn of the true 'information age' is just beginning, things are going to change.

[MP33]

While I agree that 100K is not what it use to be, people need to take into account what is expected of the civil servant for earning that salary compared with someone who earns the same amount of $$ in the private sector. I started my career in the public sector years ago and still get together with ex-peers who still work as civil servants. Based on their experiences alone, there is a night and day difference of what is expected from a Finance Analyst (as one example) type at a Municipality and the same at a private company. They make around the same $$ on paper but you can bet that the public sector FA is leaving consistently at 4:30 pm 5 days a week for 48 of the 52 weeks in a year. On the private sector side, FAs work like dogs each month trying to close the books for month end. They are typically 60 hour weeks the last two weeks of the month and that goes on each month year round. Same money and title, completely different work load and expectations.

[Andru]

Yeah I usually don't care...I don't really care that Tiger makes $100+ million, McCabe making $6 million or Oprah makes $250 million per year.

But in this case it's tax dollars...

I like to see it spent on things like hospital beds (since there doesn't seem to be enough beds to go around), education (OSAP), helping the low-income families etc.).

As I stated in earlier, most of the salaries listed are justified. But having redundant positions and/or paying double the salary of what the going rate is kinda raises my eyebrows.
It's not how much money McCabe makes that erks me. It's how much space he takes under the cap system that erks me. If he made 10 million i wouldn't care about the money.

[Bellyhungry]

Everyone always thinks they work harder and deserves money than the next person. When they see someone else making more money, they automatically think 'why can't that be me?' and then find ways to rationalize and/or complain about why these other people do not deserve the money.

I much rather whine about why I was not born into wealth or why my 6/49 bet don't pan out.

[davepratt]

I have friends on this list and so much of the income is overtime. That's not their fault. It is however mismanagement on someone's part because with the massive volumes of overtime at double and triple pay rates, shouldn't they be hiring more people? I thought there were labour laws that forced companies to restrict overtime or be forced to hire more people. Am I wrong?

[leftintherough]

My Wife's uncle is a garbage guy working for a private firm, Miller Waste. He loves his job and thinks we're nuts for working in an office inside all day long. So it can't be that bad and he does not make the kind of money that the City of T. garbage folks do.

[Cybergolfer]

I have friends on this list and so much of the income is overtime. That's not their fault. It is however mismanagement on someone's part because with the massive volumes of overtime at double and triple pay rates, shouldn't they be hiring more people? I thought there were labour laws that forced companies to restrict overtime or be forced to hire more people. Am I wrong?


You're right but wasn't a law paased under the Consevative Gov't that your employer could force you to work up to 60hr a week.

[cldale]

Who gives a **** how much someone else makes, I don't know why it would bother anyone... other then being jealous that their not making that much:cool:

Bingo.

While I agree that 100K is not what it use to be, people need to take into account what is expected of the civil servant for earning that salary compared with someone who earns the same amount of $$ in the private sector. I started my career in the public sector years ago and still get together with ex-peers who still work as civil servants. Based on their experiences alone, there is a night and day difference of what is expected from a Finance Analyst (as one example) type at a Municipality and the same at a private company. They make around the same $$ on paper but you can bet that the public sector FA is leaving consistently at 4:30 pm 5 days a week for 48 of the 52 weeks in a year. On the private sector side, FAs work like dogs each month trying to close the books for month end. They are typically 60 hour weeks the last two weeks of the month and that goes on each month year round. Same money and title, completely different work load and expectations.

I started off working for TD Bank as an FA and I can tell you point blank that what you're saying just isn't true. I was in at 8:30am and left pretty consistently at 5pm, M-F. The week after a quarter end might be dicey, but not in the extreme. A friend of mine who worked for the Ontario Ministry of Finance worked longer hours than I did, for about the same pay.

Its not a question of private vs. public sector so much as the size of the corporation/organization.

Superb point.

The problem with people earning a fair wage is that it will cut directly into the bottom line of their own cash. They spin it around and say they can't afford to have the minimum wage raised. They will have to raise prices adn that will cost the consumer in the end.

I believe the end of capitalism as we know it will happen within this century.. I am not saying we will all be socialists but with the dawn of the true 'information age' is just beginning, things are going to change.

First, I think the minimum wage should be raised since it's fallen behind inflation and cost of living increases. $12/hour is probably a fair minimum wage at this point, perhaps lower for kids.

As for your comments regarding capitalism, I don't really think you understand what you're saying...

[johnthegolfer]

...No unions to protect us...

Maybe not, but there are labour laws. Unions do (usually) help when you have to complain when an employer expects you to flout those laws. With a union, you are not likely to lose your job because you refuse to do something illegal or dangerous, it is unlikely to ever get to that situation. In a non-unionsed job you still have the law on your side (if you know what is legal, which is another issue).

[iyell4]

Does the number of public employees making more than $100,000 bother you?
Is $100,000 an appropriate cut off number?
Do you even think that publicly listing those people is fair to them?
Does it serve and real purpose at all?

no, gov't needs to be offerin' big $$$ to attract the appropriate talent from the private sector to fix all the problems!!!!

i like how this list is called "The Sunshine Club" :-)

as an aside, i thot by the title that this thread was about a Golf Club in GTA that had a high (but not unreasonable) initiation fee.

Some of these guys would be making a lot more money in the private sector than they do in governemt. ....
or not. which is why they stay.:$

[skt07]

as an aside, i thot by the title that this thread was about a Golf Club in GTA that had a high (but not unreasonable) initiation fee.



I thought it was going to be about a solid gold putter...

[Cybergolfer]

Just watched Global News and the ticket collector worked over 1000 hr OT.

[BowmanvilleJim]

I can't imagine putting in that kind of OT.

[sharkhark]

The bulk of my friends make half the 100k and stress all the time, pull their hair out, travel for work on holidays, basically work their a** off. If this is true that a garbage guy can make 100k then explain to me why it is so hard to get these jobs. If they really are that tough to do.
Someone I knew tried out for postal worker, city garbage guy etc for the decent pay and benefits and was told unless you have a high up friend or family member you are going to have a hard time getting the job.

I really do not think it is that tough otherwise all of us here could in theory go out tomorrow and get one of these positions...but we can't...because no-one wants to give it up.

100k....ticket taker in a booth.....sheesh........:confused:

[Chambokl]

100k....ticket taker in a booth.....sheesh........:confused:

The guy worked 421 shifts (8 hour per shift).

guest what... the guy didn't golf once last year. He didn't go to any hockey game, actually I think he didn't do anything except work... When did he sleep?

Basically, say he had 2 weeks of holiday (which I doubt), he had to work 67+ hours per week... wow... like somebody said they should had hired more staff and cut overtime.

The problem for me is the brains running the TTC and making $200000+ and they let things like this happening. The TTC is losing money and the people in charge and getting more $$, for me this is the travestis...

[MP33]

Bingo.



I started off working for TD Bank as an FA and I can tell you point blank that what you're saying just isn't true. I was in at 8:30am and left pretty consistently at 5pm, M-F. The week after a quarter end might be dicey, but not in the extreme. A friend of mine who worked for the Ontario Ministry of Finance worked longer hours than I did, for about the same pay.

Its not a question of private vs. public sector so much as the size of the corporation/organization.



First, I think the minimum wage should be raised since it's fallen behind inflation and cost of living increases. $12/hour is probably a fair minimum wage at this point, perhaps lower for kids.

As for your comments regarding capitalism, I don't really think you understand what you're saying...

If you are talking about size, I suspect you are talking about the # of staff as it's hard to compare top line (revenue) when comparing private/public sector organizations. If it is # of staff, then a comparison of the municipal office where I worked years ago and the CPG company where I worked recently would be valid.

When I worked for this Municipality back in the day, Finance Analysts, planners, Public works people and whoever else for that matter were usually running for the hills at 4:30 pm. I even remember the lineups to get into the elevators and rows of cars trying to exit the underground parking lots at 4:30pm. It was nuts - reminded me of Lemmings. Having said that, the FAs that worked at the same Canadian based CPG company I worked at (within the last five years) were essentially glued to their seats during month end. This is especially true during week 4 in the cycle when everything had to close. WE would always buy Pizzas for the team as a small token of appreciation. I can't recall once in 5 years at the municipality where it was even considered that we should buy food for people because they had to stay late for work. Why?? Nobody stayed late.

Based on my experience, your claim is wrong. I am not saying that the situation you point out is inaccurate but if your point is that there is typically no difference between the hours worked for civil servants versus private sector employees and that the size of the company is the only thing that matters, than you should really go work for the government (I am assuming you haven't because of your comments) and see for yourself. It is night and day.

[sharkhark]

100k....ticket taker in a booth.....sheesh........:confused:

The guy worked 421 shifts (8 hour per shift).

guest what... the guy didn't golf once last year. He didn't go to any hockey game, actually I think he didn't do anything except work... When did he sleep?

Basically, say he had 2 weeks of holiday (which I doubt), he had to work 67+ hours per week... wow... like somebody said they should had hired more staff and cut overtime.

The problem for me is the brains running the TTC and making $200000+ and they let things like this happening. The TTC is losing money and the people in charge and getting more $$, for me this is the travestis...

Yes...but you cannot force overtime. That guy either wanted that money i.e. was greedy or someone else would have been hired. He saw an opp to make more and took it.

Just for giggles I went into workopolis and monster and searched terms like postal worker, garbage, waste, waste management, bus, bus driver etc.

Zip, nada, no jobs. Because the people who have them won't give them up.

[MP33]

100k....ticket taker in a booth.....sheesh........:confused:

The guy worked 421 shifts (8 hour per shift).

guest what... the guy didn't golf once last year. He didn't go to any hockey game, actually I think he didn't do anything except work... When did he sleep?

Basically, say he had 2 weeks of holiday (which I doubt), he had to work 67+ hours per week... wow... like somebody said they should had hired more staff and cut overtime.

The problem for me is the brains running the TTC and making $200000+ and they let things like this happening. The TTC is losing money and the people in charge and getting more $$, for me this is the travestis...

This kinda stuff happened all the time when I worked in government. We had a guy we called the "Great One". This was not because he was particularly good at what he did, he was just good at working just enough overtime so that his annual salary would come as close to 100K without going over. Why did he do this, to remain off the sunshine list to stay under the radar screen so he could keep doing it year in year out. It was rumored that he made 99k for years on end. Hence the name the "Great One". One would say that he deserved the money as he worked all that overtime. Well, there is more to this than meets the eye. Let's just say he was pretty good at working the flex hour policy.:D

I suspect if you dropped the floor limit on the list to say 95K, the number of people on the new list would be significantly greater than it is now.