Tiger or Lorena

[ginrin]

Who in your opinion has a better chance to win the Grand Slam?
I think Lorena since she has already won one but I believe she has less competition.Another 2 and she will have the Tiger slam:p .

[nearace]

I will go with lorena.

[Bellyhungry]

Lorena, simply because the LPGA field is so weak that she could win with her B game. With her A game, she is lapping the field.

Tiger, on the other hand, needs to have at least A-, plus some luck to win. The mrgin of error is measured in milimeter on the PGA whereas on the LPGA, it is measured in meters.

[BowmanvilleJim]

Tiger will never win the Grand Slam. He will retire with all kinds of records and accomplishments but winning the Grand Slam will not be one of them.

[Golden Bear]

Lorena, because she's won the first one. Tiger hasn't won any yet this year.

And I agree with BowmanvilleJim. Tiger will never win the slam. The men's field is just too strong, and in any given major there's someone who can put themself in the same league as Tiger.

[hogannut]

I would have to say Lorena too, but Tiger is Tiger. Everyone talks and debates how TIger may or may not have decent competition, well I would say at this point Lorena is further ahead of the ladies than Tiger is ahead of the men. In Lorena's case there isn't anyone who comes to mind. Annika is simply not at Lorena's level right now and the other young guns are still not there either. I cannot think of anyone right now who could compete with her.

In TIger's case there are a few, although they have yet to show they can do it, but at least some names come to mind like Adam Scott, Phil, Sergio (if his putting could ever get fixed) possibly Ernie.

My point is at least with Tiger you can come up with some names and on the womens side I am struggling to come up with ONE.

[Andru]

Lorena, because she's won the first one. Tiger hasn't won any yet this year.

And I agree with BowmanvilleJim. Tiger will never win the slam. The men's field is just too strong, and in any given major there's someone who can put themself in the same league as Tiger.

HAHA so good, let's not mention that he's already won all 4 majors in a row. And that was stretched out of 10 months. To win the Grand slam he'd have to maintain that level over 5 months. Seems like Tiger has the game for it.

[Golden Bear]

HAHA so good, let's not mention that he's already won all 4 majors in a row. And that was stretched out of 10 months. To win the Grand slam he'd have to maintain that level over 5 months. Seems like Tiger has the game for it.I disagree. I think other players have enough game that someone not named Tiger will win a major this year. Someone has done so every single year that Tiger has been around.

[BowmanvilleJim]

Some people would argue that after he won 3 he had it easier to win that 4th because he had 7 or 8 months to prepare to win the 4th on a course that he plays very well.

[sennawcf1]

Lorena, because she's won the first one. Tiger hasn't won any yet this year.

And I agree with BowmanvilleJim. Tiger will never win the slam. The men's field is just too strong, and in any given major there's someone who can put themself in the same league as Tiger.

Its great to see the Tiger-haters come out !
Tiger has the game to do it and he has already won 4 in a row. It is the modern GRAND SLAM (in deference to Bobby Jones who held all 4 majors of his time. No other professional golfer has owned all 4 simultaneously. Not even the illustrious Jack Nicklaus did that.
SO he has set a precedent for owning all 4. As for statements like it is easier to win the 4th major after a 7 month layoff, that is truly a ridiculous statement. I am not sure how one even begins to justify that statement ! Simply stating something doesn't necessarily make it true.

As for the original question - I would hazard a guess that Lorena because the LPGA fields are not as deep as the PGA tour fields. Her chances are simply better than Tiger's chances. If this was back in the Arnie/Jack/Hogan/Nelson era, it would be much easier for Tiger :)

[Golden Bear]

Its great to see the Tiger-haters come out !Ay carumba, I express an opinion, and because I think Tiger would have a tough time accomplishing something, I'm a Tiger-hater?

If I said, "I don't think Tiger could have a perfect season on the PGA Tour", I suppose I'm automatically a "Tiger-hater"?

How about if I just think the competition is too strong in the men's game for any golfer to win all four Majors in the same calendar year? A five-month stretch of beating the best in the game every time, with no let-up whatsoever?


Tiger has the game to do it and he has already won 4 in a row. It is the modern GRAND SLAM (in deference to Bobby Jones who held all 4 majors of his time.It's not the Grand Slam until it's done in one season. That's the definition of Grand Slam. Even Tiger has said so.

No other professional golfer has owned all 4 simultaneously. Not even the illustrious Jack Nicklaus did that.True.

SO he has set a precedent for owning all 4. As for statements like it is easier to win the 4th major after a 7 month layoff, that is truly a ridiculous statement. I am not sure how one even begins to justify that statement ! Simply stating something doesn't necessarily make it true.Wanting it to be untrue doesn't make it untrue, either.

BJ's comment was valid.

Tiger fans get so-o-o-o-o-o upset when you suggest that there's something Tiger can't do. Heaven forbid that anyone should have an opinion of Tiger's ability that doesn't include the words, "yes, he can do anything he wants."


Tiger can't cure cancer!

Tiger can't fly to the moon by flapping his arms!

Tiger can't win the Grand Slam!


As for the original question - I would hazard a guess that Lorena because the LPGA fields are not as deep as the PGA tour fields. That's interesting. That's pretty much what I said.

Tiger-hater.

[BowmanvilleJim]

Its great to see the Tiger-haters come out !
Tiger has the game to do it and he has already won 4 in a row. It is the modern GRAND SLAM (in deference to Bobby Jones who held all 4 majors of his time. No other professional golfer has owned all 4 simultaneously. Not even the illustrious Jack Nicklaus did that.
SO he has set a precedent for owning all 4. As for statements like it is easier to win the 4th major after a 7 month layoff, that is truly a ridiculous statement. I am not sure how one even begins to justify that statement ! Simply stating something doesn't necessarily make it true.


Shut up when you're talking to me! :D Just kidding. I'm not a tiger hater. I love to watch him play and he is without doubt the greatest player of this era and likely of all time. Having said that I am also of the belief that he has not won the Grand Slam and that he will not ever win the Grand Slam.

Everyone knows that the "Grand Slam" is winning all 4 in the current year. Holding all 4 over 2 seasons is a tremendous accomplishment and should have a special name, it just can't be called the "Grand Slam"

[Cybergolfer]

[quote=sennawcf1]Its great to see the Tiger-haters come out !
Tiger has the game to do it and he has already won 4 in a row. It is the modern GRAND SLAM (in deference to Bobby Jones who held all 4 majors of his time. No other professional golfer has owned all 4 simultaneously. Not even the illustrious Jack Nicklaus did that.
SO he has set a precedent for owning all 4. As for statements like it is easier to win the 4th major after a 7 month layoff, that is truly a ridiculous statement. I am not sure how one even begins to justify that statement ! Simply stating something doesn't necessarily make it true.


It only counts if it's done in the same year

[Merlot]

Shut up when you're talking to me! :D Just kidding. I'm not a tiger hater. I love to watch him play and he is without doubt the greatest player of this era and likely of all time. Having said that I am also of the belief that he has not won the Grand Slam and that he will not ever win the Grand Slam.

Everyone knows that the "Grand Slam" is winning all 4 in the current year. Holding all 4 over 2 seasons is a tremendous accomplishment and should have a special name, it just can't be called the "Grand Slam"

I think they call it a tiger slam.( 4 majors in a row) I think he will do it this year.(the real Grand Slam) Friendly wager? Odds are around 40 to 1 I think but not sure. How about one golfball of your choice and 40 of mine?:rofl:

Tiger overLorena. She is awsome but has to win 5 I gues to be a womens grandslam and not sure if she can stay hot for that long.

[sennawcf1]

Ay carumba, I express an opinion, and because I think Tiger would have a tough time accomplishing something, I'm a Tiger-hater?

If I said, "I don't think Tiger could have a perfect season on the PGA Tour", I suppose I'm automatically a "Tiger-hater"?

How about if I just think the competition is too strong in the men's game for any golfer to win all four Majors in the same calendar year? A five-month stretch of beating the best in the game every time, with no let-up whatsoever?

It's not the Grand Slam until it's done in one season. That's the definition of Grand Slam. Even Tiger has said so.

True.

Wanting it to be untrue doesn't make it untrue, either.

BJ's comment was valid.

Tiger fans get so-o-o-o-o-o upset when you suggest that there's something Tiger can't do. Heaven forbid that anyone should have an opinion of Tiger's ability that doesn't include the words, "yes, he can do anything he wants."


Tiger can't cure cancer!

Tiger can't fly to the moon by flapping his arms!

Tiger can't win the Grand Slam!


That's interesting. That's pretty much what I said.

Tiger-hater.

Well you raise some great points... Tiger cannot do alot of things... I agree.
But lets be clear, when I say that some statements are silly or that one must be a Tiger-hater, then I say that because the reasoning used by some contributors. If I have over-stated the case then I apologize :$

But it seems to me that expressing an opinion on a topic requires a justification for holding that opinion. In each case, when I suggest why Tiger can win the 4 majors in a single calendar year, I only echo what Tiger Woods said earlier this year. Do I think he can do it? I say yes, but the probability is quite low given the depth of the PGA field.

When Tiger was asked about the "Grand Slam" he said he has won it - that he held all 4 trophies at one time. I am not sure where you got the notion that he denied wining the "Grand Slam" per se. The media are the ones who annointed it the Tiger Slam.

Come Sunday evening we shall all see whether Tiger is right or wrong. He has the length, the short game , the putting ability and the strongest mental game. He is the one who claims he can win all 4. :cool:


BTW - I am not a TIGER fanboy... I admire his ability which exceeds all those on tour. I am more of a fan of Adam Scott, Ian Poulter and Geoff Ogilvy. Been following these guys for a while.

[Merlot]

I understand how difficult it is to win the true grand slam. I just don't understand why people think it is impossible for Tiger to do it?

He did hold all 4 at one time. That alone makes it a possibility. Is it easier to be good over 5 months or 10?

He has proven that he is capable of being that good. I hope he does it just to prove it is possible. I am willing to take some small wagers on it for this year. It should e easy money for those who 'know' he can't do it. 40 to 1 or so odds so I guess the odds makers think its pretty tough too.

[Golden Bear]

When Tiger was asked about the "Grand Slam" he said he has won it - that he held all 4 trophies at one time.I believe he said the latter -- that he's already held four titles at once, but he didn't say he'd won the grand slam.

[qutoe] I am not sure where you got the notion that he denied wining the "Grand Slam" per se. The media are the ones who annointed it the Tiger Slam.[/quote]He said this back when he'd completed the Tiger slam.

Come Sunday evening we shall all see whether Tiger is right or wrong.Actually, we'll only see if he's wrong. If he wins, he'll still have three more majors to win.

He has the length, the short game , the putting ability and the strongest mental game. He is the one who claims he can win all 4. :cool: I disagree with him. He got off to a great start on tour last season, then lost three majors and the Players.

Also, he's played in 44 majors, and has won "only" 13. A remarkable record ... but he's more likely to lose any given major than win, statistically. In fact, he's more likely to go 1-3 in majors in any given year (as he did last year) than 3-1.

He says he's better now than he's ever been. Well, that "now" includes 2007, when he had a sensational year, but lost the Masters, lost the U.S Open, lost the Open, and lost the Players against "the best field in golf".

This is why I think it's impossible. Bobby Jones did it, sure, when the configuration was different. But Palmer couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Nicklaus couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Tiger couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Those are the only players who ever got off to a two-major streak, and they all fell two majors short. In other words, none of them came close after they had the ball rolling.

Tiger's the best in the game today, maybe the best ever, but we've got to give the other guys in the field a little bit of credit.

[Merlot]

[qutoe] I am not sure where you got the notion that he denied wining the "Grand Slam" per se. The media are the ones who annointed it the Tiger Slam.He said this back when he'd completed the Tiger slam.

Actually, we'll only see if he's wrong. If he wins, he'll still have three more majors to win.

I disagree with him. He got off to a great start on tour last season, then lost three majors and the Players.

Also, he's played in 44 majors, and has won "only" 13. A remarkable record ... but he's more likely to lose any given major than win, statistically. In fact, he's more likely to go 1-3 in majors in any given year (as he did last year) than 3-1.

He says he's better now than he's ever been. Well, that "now" includes 2007, when he had a sensational year, but lost the Masters, lost the U.S Open, lost the Open, and lost the Players against "the best field in golf".

This is why I think it's impossible. Bobby Jones did it, sure, when the configuration was different. But Palmer couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Nicklaus couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Tiger couldn't do it after winning the first two legs. Those are the only players who ever got off to a two-major streak, and they all fell two majors short. In other words, none of them came close after they had the ball rolling.

Tiger's the best in the game today, maybe the best ever, but we've got to give the other guys in the field a little bit of credit.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you have said.

I just feel he had a four at one time so it is possible for him to do it again but in the same calender year. IMO

You should really take on some wagers if it is impossible. Because it would be impossible for you to lose according to your deductions. Of course on the sly and not here publicly. You could get paid on Sunday evening! A sure thing!

Sorry for the screwed up quoting.

[Golden Bear]

You should really take on some wagers if it is impossible. Because it would be impossible for you to lose according to your deductions. Of course on the sly and not here publicly. You could get paid on Sunday evening! A sure thing!

Actually, I did ... I put up $200 in a charity bet but no one took up the bet, so instead I pledged $200 to my charity if he does win the grand slam. If anyone wants to offer a counter pledge they're more than welcome, but the $200 is all the pledging I'll be doing.

[focal]

last I looked Tiger already won the "slam" before, so shifting the time to one calendar is no different. Is it going to happen this year? no idea, but one step at a time....

[MooreFish]

Lorena :rofl:

[Merlot]

Actually, I did ... I put up $200 in a charity bet but no one took up the bet, so instead I pledged $200 to my charity if he does win the grand slam. If anyone wants to offer a counter pledge they're more than welcome, but the $200 is all the pledging I'll be doing.

Very generous of you.

Lorena :rofl:

Go Lorena!:rofl:


Tiger overLorena. She is awsome but has to win 5 I gues to be a womens grandslam and not sure if she can stay hot for that long.

:nono:

[Big Shooter]

Retitled....Immelman or Lorena! ;)

[Bellyhungry]

Lorena beat the field by 11 strokes this past weekend!

Soon she will be giving strokes to the field when she competes.

[iyell4]

Lorena beat the field by 11 strokes this past weekend!


... and this included a triple on 11 'cuz she was pushing to break the LPGA 72-hole scoring record still held by Annika of -27. She 'settled' for -25 and a 11-shot margin.

i'd say Lorena because (as others have mentioned) of how much better her game is right now than her competition.

[jayda]

Retitled....Immelman or Lorena! ;)

i think the poster means rest of thier carreer, LOL! :D

[Bellyhungry]

Lorea...4 in a row...

She is toying with her fellow LPGA players.

[Carlton]

Will we be saying "Anika who?" in the near future?? :eek:

[Golden Bear]

Just for the hell of it I'm going to say Ochoa won't win all four this year. No reason, except that I think any golfer can have one bad tournament, even in the majors.

[bat1983]

I am going to go out on a limb and say "Tiger will get the Grand Slam" in his career. I am not Tiger-hater nor a fan but I think he "FEELS and BELIEVES" he can accomplish the feat.

Yes, he has a better field but Tiger has shown they're only there to compete for second. Courses are Tiger proofed because of his dominance. So, obviously everyone fears that every tournament he enters, he enters with the mindset that it's his.

And as for Lorena, she should definitely win all four. Like another poster mentioned, she doesn't necessarily need her "A" game to win.

Off Topic: What happens to Tiger's old clubs when he gets a new set from Nike? Auction? Just curious.

[dekker]

I'll say he'll continue to win,but the GrandSlam in the same year will elude him. Playing as badly as he did in the Masters, which sank the prospect immediately, has shaken his confidence level in the project. Even the winning of the remaining Majors will only pad his total.
The GrandSlam is his sole remaining quest. It would put him in a rarified field by himself and seal his golf immortality.

If I were him I'd treat the rest of the tour to a bus trip in Mexico.;)

[laps]

Tiger plays badly and finishes second at the masters - Not bad! I think its premature to say that he is washed-up. We just got spoiled in his winning every time he played.

It looked like Sprenstram was going to dominate women's golf, but she ahs been replaced by Ochoa. Tiger was the best golfer before Sorenstram was the best female golfer and he is liekly to be the best after Ochoa is replaced by someone else.

Tiger has been the best for a very long time.

[nearace]

Everyone hop on the bandwagon. We'll drive.
As golf's most iconic personality continued to rehabilitate a left knee injury this weekend, its most dominant talent was busy clinching her fourth straight victory and fifth this season.
Yup, you read that right. While neither Tiger Woods (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=462) nor Lorena Ochoa will lose the title of No. 1-ranked golfer anytime soon -- not this year, not this decade, maybe not next decade, either -- the torch has officially been passed, as Ochoa is currently the best player on her respective tour. (Now, let's not mince words here. Ochoa isn't a better golfer than Woods, simply better relative to her competition. For those who believe she should tee it up with the men, she recently responded, "I've had a few offers to play, especially in Mexico, in the PGA Tour event that goes to Mayakoba. But right now I have no intentions to do that.")
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http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0421/pga_a_ochoa_200.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/columns/story?columnist=sobel_jason&id=3357069#) AP Photo/Reinhold Matay
Ochoa has won five of her six starts this season.




Comparisons between the top two players come free and easy, and the debate is ripe for public consumption. The numbers can't be ignored, however, and every significant one is pointing in Ochoa's favor. Let's break 'em down:
• Victories: Ochoa: Five wins in six starts this season; Woods: Three wins in five starts. Advantage: Ochoa. Want to go back further than just this year? Ochoa has 19 wins since the beginning of 2006; Woods has 18. Advantage: Still Ochoa.
• Scoring average: Ochoa: 67.87; Woods: 68.44. Advantage: Ochoa. And her average score is nearly two full strokes better than the next best LPGA player (Annika Sorenstam (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=1029) at 69.77), while Woods' differential over No. 2 on the PGA Tour (Stewart Cink (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=78) at 70.03) is "only" 1.59 strokes per round. Again, advantage: Ochoa.
• Rounds under par: Ochoa: 22 of 23; Woods: 12 of 16 (in stroke-play events only). Advantage: Ochoa. Her only blip? An opening-round 76 at the MasterCard Classic that is quickly proving to be a statistical anomaly; that score is five strokes higher than her next-worst total this season.
• Money earned: Ochoa: $1,635,550; Woods: $4,425,000. Advantage: Woods … but in zeroes alone. That's because Ochoa's total is 266 percent of that of the next biggest earner (Sorenstam at $614,281), while Woods' total is "only" 178 percent of that of the second-highest ranked player on his tour (Phil Mickelson (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/players/profile?playerId=308) at $2,488,830). Readjusted advantage: Ochoa.
Asked after Sunday's win at the Ginn Open whether Woods should now be compared to her rather than the other way around, Ochoa simply said, "To be able to put my name next to him is always an honor, and I'm happy with that."
Next to him? That's sooo last week. Sure, Woods can regain the title of Most Dominant Golfer upon his return from injury. But right now, in the incomparable comparison between players of elite levels on different tours, it's Ochoa who is right on top.
this is from golfworld,weekly 18

[Golfing in Ottawa]

Has anybody heard if Lorena has committed to playing this summers LPGA Canadian Open in Ottawa.......??? I know the Pink Panther has said Yes.

Has anybody heard if Lorena has committed to playing this summers LPGA Canadian Open in Ottawa.......??? I know the Pink Panther has said Yes.

Answered my question. Checked Official Website and her calendar indicates "Yes" she is coming to Ottawa. Great News !!
http://www.lorenaochoa.com/calendario_ing.html

[alix488]

Lorena is saving the LPGA right now IMO.

[Golden Bear]

I've heard that said ... but does the LPGA need saving? I don't follow the women's game closely at all, so I wasn't aware that the tour was having troubles. If it was, I'm not sure that Lorena Ochoa would be the one to save it -- I don't think she has the kind of personality that will attract a lot of new fans.

[Bellyhungry]

I've heard that said ... but does the LPGA need saving? I don't follow the women's game closely at all, so I wasn't aware that the tour was having troubles. If it was, I'm not sure that Lorena Ochoa would be the one to save it -- I don't think she has the kind of personality that will attract a lot of new fans.

She is actually a great person with loads of characters. But because she lacks the pin-up look, speaks with a little accent, plus the fact that she is not American, she won't be basking in limelight.

[Merlot]

She is actually a great person with loads of characters. But because she lacks the pin-up look, speaks with a little accent, plus the fact that she is not American, she won't be basking in limelight.

or be your avatar!:eek: :rofl:

[Bellyhungry]

or be your avatar!:eek: :rofl:

I am not that shallow :mad:

[Merlot]

No offense. Usually you have a hot chick. I haven't seen a 'Lorena' before but I don't check you avatars everytime I log on like I used too for the hot chicks.:rofl:

[Bellyhungry]

No offense. Usually you have a hot chick. I haven't seen a 'Lorena' before but I don't check you avatars everytime I log on like I used too for the hot chicks.:rofl:

OK...Maybe somewhat shallow...

[Merlot]

Lorena is pleasant looking I am sure and in great shape if you are not into 'J lo' style rumps.:D

[Bellyhungry]

Lorena is pleasant looking I am sure and in great shape if you are not into 'J lo' style rumps.:D

Ok...just wanna make sure you are not or stalker or something....

[iyell4]

Lorena is pleasant looking I am sure and in great shape if you are not into 'J lo' style rumps.:D

... uh, she is a triathlete. yeah, she's in great shape.
... and she visits and chats with the Mexican groundskeepers at some of the tournaments she plays in, not just the Club Pros and GM and tournamet directors.
very pleasant person indeed.

"Standing 5 feet 6 inches in spikes, Ochoa has become the No. 1 player in women’s golf on the strength of a tee ball that often bounds past her competitors. If Tiger Woods and Vijay Singh are the PGA Tour’s leading exercise buffs, Ochoa (and Annika Sorenstam) might take the honor on the L.P.G.A. Tour.

Ochoa competes in marathons, triathlons and ecothons. She rides horses and climbs mountains.

When she was 17 and the youngest competitor in an ecothon that included biking, trekking, swimming, kayaking and rappelling, she swam five kilometers, against the current, in a chilly lake in Guadalajara, Mexico.

Three teams pulled out with hypothermia. Ochoa, through tears, finished the race."

[Merlot]

... uh, she is a triathlete. yeah, she's in great shape.
... and she visits and chats with the Mexican groundskeepers at some of the tournaments she plays in, not just the Club Pros and GM and tournamet directors.
very pleasant person indeed.

"Standing 5 feet 6 inches in spikes, Ochoa has become the No. 1 player in women’s golf on the strength of a tee ball that often bounds past her competitors. If Tiger Woods and Vijay Singh are the PGA Tour’s leading exercise buffs, Ochoa (and Annika Sorenstam) might take the honor on the L.P.G.A. Tour.

Ochoa competes in marathons, triathlons and ecothons. She rides horses and climbs mountains.

When she was 17 and the youngest competitor in an ecothon that included biking, trekking, swimming, kayaking and rappelling, she swam five kilometers, against the current, in a chilly lake in Guadalajara, Mexico.

Three teams pulled out with hypothermia. Ochoa, through tears, finished the race."

That was my point. Thanks for reiterating it.:)