Polygamist in Texas

[Merlot]

This is a terrible situation. What to do with all the children?

It may be happening here in B.C. also. How can this be happening in Canada and the USA?

[nearace]

this is a crazy situation,terriible thing for kids to be in just like the cults the brainwashing starts and people listen to the leader,there are more out there than people know about.:cookoo:

[Merlot]

this is a crazy situation,terriible thing for kids to be in just like the cults the brainwashing starts and people listen to the leader,there are more out there than people know about.:cookoo:

It is really sad and scary. It is happenin gright here in our backyards. Lets fix our problems along with the rest of the worlds.

[mirak]

It may be happening here in B.C. also. How can this be happening in Canada and the USA?

Religious Freeks.... that's it.

We are in the 21st century and people still use their religions to do stupid things (like this)

When are we (as human race) going to grow up??

We are no different now than our ancestors 100's or even 1000's of years ago.

Don't believe me? Look at this, a large % of the American population, the largest and most powerful country in the world believe that earth was created all in one week, about 10,000 years ago and that men walked along with dinosaurs. Silly, yeap, but that's what they believe... these are the guys in power and what they are exporting to world is those believes. If people don't want to believe what they said, they are deemed the enemy. If you think about it, is no different than Muslim extremist, or any other extremist group in the world

[Merlot]

You do make some good points. We have gotten a little better though like abolishing slavery and women/all races having the same rights as men/white men by law.

But we have a long way to go. I think the difference between Muslim extremists and what some might consider extreme christian groups is quite fine.

[leftintherough]

Religious Freeks.... that's it.

We are in the 21st century and people still use their religions to do stupid things (like this)

When are we (as human race) going to grow up??

We are no different now than our ancestors 100's or even 1000's of years ago.

Don't believe me? Look at this, a large % of the American population, the largest and most powerful country in the world believe that earth was created all in one week, about 10,000 years ago and that men walked along with dinosaurs. Silly, yeap, but that's what they believe... these are the guys in power and what they are exporting to world is those believes. If people don't want to believe what they said, they are deemed the enemy. If you think about it, is no different than Muslim extremist, or any other extremist group in the world

Where did you get this? Christians are not the same as muslims. Extreme Muslims are not anywhere near what most Muslims beleive and act. Extreme Christians are not running the USA and are not a large % of the USA population.

[Merlot]

Maybe not running the USA but a large growing part of the population that does believe in 'Evil'.

You are correct as to the comments maybe being overstated a little.:$

[Mule56]

Folks as with any religious conversation there is more than one side, more than one belief and very strong convictions. Lets be sure this discussion stays civil.
Mule

[dan_]

Don't believe me? Look at this, a large % of the American population, the largest and most powerful country in the world believe that earth was created all in one week, about 10,000 years ago and that men walked along with dinosaurs. Silly, yeap, but that's what they believe... these are the guys in power and what they are exporting to world is those believes. If people don't want to believe what they said, they are deemed the enemy. If you think about it, is no different than Muslim extremist, or any other extremist group in the world

:help: I think you need to do a little reading on world religions my friend.

[Merlot]

I was thinking more of the kids and the situation the Texas gov't is in. What do they do now? I don't beleiev they planned on this sort of undertaking.

And the mothers on Larry King the other night.

[dan_]

It's an epic lose-lose situation, for all those involved.

The reality is that freedom of thought, religion, expression, etc leaves leeway for some people to do things that the majority would not feel to be ethically/morally/socially responsible.

This case is especially interesting in that polygamy has been ignored in most cases - but the government is trying to take a different stance now.

Let's be serious - we know that fundamenatlist (note the word fundamentalist) have been taking underage brides for years, and it's been covered by the media before...I'm not saying that ignorance is correct, but I fail to understand why the government has decided to launch a large-scale crackdown with relatively little precedent...and I think that the lack of precendent has led to the necessity of such a broad-scale action (an action that will be VERY difficult to process and successfully resolve).

[Merlot]

:help: I think you need to do a little reading on world religions my friend.

I do too. Though most wars are fought due to religion and land/resources from what I can tell.

Alos, to think certain religions condemn you to hell even though you might be a far better/giving/caring/decent person then many in th religion is disheartening to say the least. For example, the origin of confession with the catholic church.

Anyway, what could be the best scenario for these children in Texas?

It's an epic lose-lose situation, for all those involved.

The reality is that freedom of thought, religion, expression, etc leaves leeway for some people to do things that the majority would not feel to be ethically/morally/socially responsible.

This case is especially interesting in that polygamy has been ignored in most cases - but the government is trying to take a different stance now.

Let's be serious - we know that fundamenatlist (note the word fundamentalist) have been taking underage brides for years, and it's been covered by the media before...I'm not saying that ignorance is correct, but I fail to understand why the government has decided to launch a large-scale crackdown with relatively little precedent...

Yes, very true. Maybe they are just trying to do the right thing and enforce laws for the better of society as a whole. That is more like democracy or atleast how it is practiced in western countries for the most part I believe.

I think also that they were there to get one girl in particular adn found out there were more girls have sex/marriage underage and had no choice but to take all of them? I believe that is the official statment so far or something to that effect.

[Smully]

I think I agree, with whats been said so far ,Obviously, cults exist in our society, hidden under the Umbrella of religion,They have since the beginning of time,Some are more extreme than others,some are designed ,for sexual manipulation,Fortunatley, now with the net in place, information can be exposed to the masses, & hopefully, these,long entrenched societies, will be exposed for what they truly are.Religious Cults that prey on Children, need to be absolved, from society.

[dekker]

was it Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the poor"?

The desire to be a part of any organization is easily manipulated and exploited.
Golf is a religion to some, so watch out.:rofl:

[Cybergolfer]

was it Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the poor"?

The desire to be a part of any organization is easily manipulated and exploited.
Golf is a religion to some, so watch out.:rofl:

Golf is my religion so feel free to donate to my cause, cheques, money order, CC will do so I persue this noble and worthy cause . Tax deductable .

[Merlot]

was it Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the poor"?

The desire to be a part of any organization is easily manipulated and exploited.
Golf is a religion to some, so watch out.:rofl:



Golf is religion to many but the 'working poor' can't really afford it.:(

I think Carl hit the nail dead square with that thought.:(

[mirak]

:help: I think you need to do a little reading on world religions my friend.
Thanks for your comments Dan. I have read a lot about religions during my life; I personally don't follow any (born a catholic, but not a follower) My personal take on religion is the same as my take with any other personal preferences (like sexual orientation). People should be entitle to do what ever they choose to, as long as they don't affect anybody else.
When you do something on the name of "your" religion that affects, even a little bit, somebody else.... I'm against it. When somebody insist that "their religion" is the only one, and that everybody else is wrong.. I'm against it. When somebody becomes wealthy using "religion" as a financial tool.... I'm against it. When somebody abuses others (physically or psicologicaly) using religion as a controling mechanism.... I'm against it. When somebody uses "religion" as a political tool I'm against it. When somebody uses "religion" as a way to deny science... I'm against it.

was it Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the poor"?

I believe he actually said

"Religion is the opiate of the people"

not just the poor....






Where did you get this? Christians are not the same as muslims. Extreme Muslims are not anywhere near what most Muslims beleive and act. Extreme Christians are not running the USA and are not a large % of the USA population.

I know that most muslims are completely different that the extremist. The same as most christians are not extremist, but there are also extreme christians.... see these for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Christian_terrorist_organizati ons

There are extremist that represent almost every religion... Remember the Air India disaster? Or the Subway poisonings in Japan?

[Merlot]

Looks like the original call to the police was a hoax adn now the state of Texas is in a real tough spot due to this illegal searc and siezure. I think something good will come of it all.

[Golf_Goof]

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. - Karl Marx

All I can say is; when are these people (followers) going to wake up? Religions are all basically of the same core myth of immaculate conception, adoration, crucifixion, resurrection, etc. all contrived upon the movement of our sun and the stars. The evil that has been perpetrated in the name of religion!


You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. . . . Dogs do not ritually urinate in the hope of persuading heaven to do the same and send down rain. Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat’s meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough. - Aldous Huxley

[jamesduncan]

Extreme Christians are not running the USA


ahhh...ignorance is bliss.

Take a visit to the Creationist Museum the next time youre in the States.

Tell me GWB sent you.

Everytime Im in Texas, while theres pride in #41, #43 doesnt seem to get mentioned that much.

go figure..

[Bellyhungry]

After reading this thread with all the talks about religion, extremism, America, etc...I feel like catching Harold and Kumar escape from Quantanamo Bay....

[Merlot]

Harold and Kumar will save the day!:rolleyes: :rofl: