Put an **** next to Phils name

[Rule35]

Sorry guys and gals, but if there was no storm yesterday, everyone of the guys still on the course would have finished behind Tiger

1. the heat
2. the pressure
3.the choker factor

none of them were ready to handle the pressure of closing out a Major under those conditions
not Phil
not DL III
not Elk
not Bjorn

[mirak]

:omg: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[under4hrs]

I disagree - I think the shot from the gnarly rough tunred things around for Phil. Eventhough he made par, it took the pressure off of him a wee bit.

I think the delay hurt Elkington - rythm gone, snap hooks two drives...Love III was living on a dream already...

That tourney was Phil's to lose, and he closed it in style I thought. the little tap on the Nicklaus plaque was classic...

Tiger didn't deserve it, but it is awesome how he can score when his game is still off...

[Rule35]

I respectfully disagree, to win a major you need XL ProV's, and I think that the Monday finish makes it less about the atmosphere and the extreme pressure that would have been there Sunday. Not everyone has the stones to hit the shot when it counts. The world is full of great golfers who threw up their Lucky charmes when it was on the line. If you dont think so, I present to you


EXHIBIT A

ask the following list of players how hard it is to close the deal on Sunday afternoon

Scott Hoch
Jean Vandevelde
Greg Norman
Len Mattice

feel free to add to the list!!

my opinion, you are entitled to yours also!
make it a great day!

[milhaus]

My opinion is that you're an **** idiot. Like you said, I'm entitled to my opinion. Have a great day yourself.

[Grass Roots Tour]

My opinion is that you're an **** idiot. Like you said, I'm entitled to my opinion. Have a great day yourself.

Slow down Milhaus.... I'm no Rule35 fan either but chill out. Who really gives a flying flipper sandwich what he thinks anyway.

Achem ... I'm no Mickelson fan either BTW. He can shove the sheepish grin where the sun won't peel the skin off it like a tractor trailor on roadkill. :D

[milhaus]

Dude, chill. I was just using the same **** he wanted to put beside Phil's name. Ridiculous comment though. But I guess it could be interpreted as "fcuking." Humor doesn't always translate well in text.

[Rocknronny]

:rofl: :rofl: Slow down Milhaus.... I'm no Rule35 fan either but chill out. Who really gives a flying flipper sandwich what he thinks anyway.

Achem ... I'm no Mickelson fan either BTW. He can shove the sheepish grin where the sun won't peel the skin off it like a tractor trailor on roadkill. :D:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[under4hrs]

If this had been another Micheel or Curtis or Hamilton winning, I'd agree...but Mickelson wasn't choking Sunday...neither was Elkington or Love. The course was simply kicking their asses!


I am sure it was nice to get a breather and go shower, think about a 2.5 foot putt for par all night, and get your head straight - big advantage to be sure. But I am not convinced he would have thrown it away. I do think somebody (Elkington, Singh, Love, Bjorn) might have caught him and forced a playoff - I wanted the four man, 3 hole playoff...bring it on!

[mirak]

as I said


:omg: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pudubny]

I respectfully disagree, to win a major you need XL ProV's, and I think that the Monday finish makes it less about the atmosphere and the extreme pressure that would have been there Sunday. Not everyone has the stones to hit the shot when it counts. The world is full of great golfers who threw up their Lucky charmes when it was on the line. If you dont think so, I present to you


EXHIBIT A

ask the following list of players how hard it is to close the deal on Sunday afternoon

Scott Hoch
Jean Vandevelde
Greg Norman
Len Mattice

feel free to add to the list!!

my opinion, you are entitled to yours also!
make it a great day!
As GRT has said, I'm not a huge Phil Phan but I respect his game. I think he is entertaining. But your statements do not make sense Rule 35. I mean the heat, the pressure on Sunday certainly was not there last April when he needed to make a 12 footer to capture the Masters. Did he not show he had XL Prov1's at that time or does that not apply? Certainly could not have been effected by the biggest monkey on anyone's back in the history of golf. You assume sleeping on the lead makes it easier for him. Would it not make it easier for guys like VJ, Elk or DLIII to catch him in your thinking? They are all former major winners who have the balls to win?
Winners deserve credit. Plain and simple. Your post sounds like sour grapes.
Milhaus, while uncharitable, is perhaps factual. Well, that just my opinion.
Pud.

[Rule35]

As GRT has said, I'm not a huge Phil Phan but I respect his game. I think he is entertaining. But your statements do not make sense Rule 35. I mean the heat, the pressure on Sunday certainly was not there last April when he needed to make a 12 footer to capture the Masters. Did he not show he had XL Prov1's at that time or does that not apply? Certainly could not have been effected by the biggest monkey on anyone's back in the history of golf. You assume sleeping on the lead makes it easier for him. Would it not make it easier for guys like VJ, Elk or DLIII to catch him in your thinking? They are all former major winners who have the balls to win?
Winners deserve credit. Plain and simple. Your post sounds like sour grapes.
Milhaus, while uncharitable, is perhaps factual. Well, that just my opinion.
Pud.
sour grapes,, no
I will give Hefty props for winning his first one. I actually admire his talent. My thing is that it was effectively a timeout, where guys who were getting beat up by the course all had a chance to regroup, meet with their swing coach, mental coach, nutritionist, physiotherapist, dog walker, and Dr Ruth if need be.

We will never know, but I feel that we may have had a different winner if the boneheads at CBS let them tee it up earlier.

Good thing we have forums for opinions!!

[Grass Roots Tour]

I actually agree with RULE here. Thats about as weird as it gets... agreeing with him. :eek:

Everyone was getting chewed up and spit out by the course Sunday afternoon. I wanted ANYONE but fruity phil to win and I FULLY expected him to miss that short putt, which he would have had they continued.:rofl:

Man I love watchng him miss 2 footers.

[Rule35]

I actually agree with RULE here. Thats about as weird as it gets... agreeing with him. :eek:

Everyone was getting chewed up and spit out by the course Sunday afternoon. I wanted ANYONE but fruity phil to win and I FULLY expected him to miss that short putt, which he would have had they continued.:rofl:

Man I love watchng him miss 2 footers.
we agree?? man the planets are aligning. Next thing you know the US will pull out of Iraq, Tommy Lee and Pam will get married, the coyote will catch the roadrunner.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Don't you mean the US will nuke Iraq and the gas prices will go back to .50 cents a litre. :eek: :D Then turn the desert they created into another Las Vegas. :hush:

[Rule35]

Don't you mean the US will nuke Iraq and the gas prices will go back to .50 cents a litre. :eek: :D Then turn the desert they created into another Las Vegas. :hush:
gas at .50 would be nice, another Vegas with less than $100 greenfees would be even better.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Don't even get me started on the middle east. You may not like where it leads.

[mikemakeitso]

Although Tiger did not win... But a fellow lefty did... Life isn't all that bad now is it...

AT least that Putz Davis did not win... Tiger spotted him 10 stokes in the 1st round and he still could not beat him... :D

Another close one for Tiger... with any luck, he could have WON ALL 4 majors this year... Unbelievable! How lucky everyone else is... A x-mas gift from the Tiger... again...

[AnnikaFan]

if Tiger wanted to win, he would have shot -4/-5...or at least, don't suck on the first day.
he can't expect to shoot -2 on sunday (knowing where he stands with his score) to only hope that others will choke. That's not a true winner. A true winner is when s/he beat out the fellow competitors fair and square. Not because others choke.

I would much rather see Tiger go out, beat everyone else and actually earn the trophy rather than the likely winner choke during the final round/holes and practically handing Tiger the trophy.

I don't like watching club house leaders win (when they are not the actual leader after their round)...

just my opinion

congrats phil, well deserved

[hammer]

I'm not a big fan of Phil either but I have to agree with annikafan on this one. Unfortunatly these types of delays happen in golf and we will never know what would have been but it doesn't make his win any less of an feat. He was in front most of the tournament and it was his time. I hate woods and the worst thing in the world is to see someone crack under pressure because he is closing in and hand it to him.

[Greywolf]

Sorry guys and gals, but if there was no storm yesterday, everyone of the guys still on the course would have finished behind Tiger

1. the heat
2. the pressure
3.the choker factor

none of them were ready to handle the pressure of closing out a Major under those conditions
not Phil
not DL III
not Elk
not Bjorn


Pure speculation but I think you are wrong, Lefty would have hung in there.

[EDSGolf]

Sorry guys and gals, but if there was no storm yesterday, everyone of the guys still on the course would have finished behind Tiger

1. the heat
2. the pressure
3.the choker factor

none of them were ready to handle the pressure of closing out a Major under those conditions
not Phil
not DL III
not Elk
not Bjorn
We'll never know. Just like maybe if they would have started the final round earlier due to possible thunderstorms, maybe someone else would have won.

[noback]

Unbelievable! How lucky everyone else is... A x-mas gift from the Tiger... again...You need help.:help: :D

And the bad thing is you actually beleive yourself :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pudubny]

sour grapes,, no
I will give Hefty props for winning his first one. I actually admire his talent. My thing is that it was effectively a timeout, where guys who were getting beat up by the course all had a chance to regroup, meet with their swing coach, mental coach, nutritionist, physiotherapist, dog walker, and Dr Ruth if need be.

We will never know, but I feel that we may have had a different winner if the boneheads at CBS let them tee it up earlier.

Good thing we have forums for opinions!!
If it was "effectively a timeout" which supposedly helped Phil, why did it not help Elk, VJ and Bjorn? Does the theory of Rule35 selectively apply to only Phil? The other three guys went downhill after the break. Phil birdied the easiest hole on the course to win, everyone knew the tournament would be decided on the last three holes. No surprises here.
"Breaks help Phil, hurt everyone else!" - Rule35.
IF...IF...IF...IF...IF...IF.
If Mark Lye does not withdraw from the 1991 PGA Championship, John Daly would not have been in the field. Put an asterisk beside his name as well?
The asterisk beside Maris' name was a dumb idea, so is this!
Pud.

[focal]

I have to agree that the timeout did effect the outcome....doesn't make less of Phil's win...it was always his to loose, but there was momentum (up and down) with some players and the outcome or final standings would have changed.

just like when we play 36 in a day or twilight followed by an early morning round the next day...the swing changes.

[AG ROOK SM]

Rule 35,

You must be like the U.S. Media.....Tiger, tiger, tiger !!!! I'm suprised they didn't show Tiger on Monday for 2 hours instead of watching the golf finish. Maybe you would have enjoyed that more.

What's your feeling on Tiger fans moving a 500lb boulder and classifying it as a "loose impediment" ??? Maybe there should be a ********** beside that victory.

[laxgolf]

I agree that there should be an astrisk next Phil's name, but it should be to indicate that he lead wire to wire at a major tournament and had to sleep on the lead an extra night. The stoppage in play didn't seem to help Love, Bjorn, Elk or Vijay did it? Maybe Tiger should have put himself in a position to take advantage of the stoppage in play instead. He got to play the course throughout the week in softer conditions than the leaders did.

[awoon]

what's with all the phil haters?? granted he's been known to "choke" here n there but with the masters and NOW PGA, there's no doubt he's absolutely CLUTCH!!
it seems ppl see the "time out" as an advantage which is true but it can also be a DIS ADVANTAGE...players have to re-group, get out of the moment n back in, and i think many ppl will agree...most players would rather finish the round than carry the pressure and anxiety for one more nite.
I think we should give Phil some credit, he was the only player able to re-focus and make the clutch shot when it counted.

[Rule35]

If it was "effectively a timeout" which supposedly helped Phil, why did it not help Elk, VJ and Bjorn? Does the theory of Rule35 selectively apply to only Phil? The other three guys went downhill after the break. Phil birdied the easiest hole on the course to win, everyone knew the tournament would be decided on the last three holes. No surprises here.
"Breaks help Phil, hurt everyone else!" - Rule35.
IF...IF...IF...IF...IF...IF.
If Mark Lye does not withdraw from the 1991 PGA Championship, John Daly would not have been in the field. Put an asterisk beside his name as well?
The asterisk beside Maris' name was a dumb idea, so is this!
Pud.read a little closer, I never said the break helped Phil and hurt everyone else. I said that everyone in the field "potentially benefitted from the chance to regroup. They were all spitting the bit, and maybe,just maybe Tiger would have won??

No need to appologize, I accept!

the beauty of this is it is all speculation, all hypothetical, something we will never know.

Oh yeah, now that you brought it up
Maris, no **
Bonds**
Macgwire**
Sosa**
and for that matter baseball 1994-2005 ***

[pudubny]

read a little closer, I never said the break helped Phil and hurt everyone else. I said that everyone in the field "potentially benefitted from the chance to regroup. They were all spitting the bit, and maybe,just maybe Tiger would have won??

No need to appologize, I accept!

the beauty of this is it is all speculation, all hypothetical, something we will never know.

Oh yeah, now that you brought it up
Maris, no **
Bonds**
Macgwire**
Sosa**
and for that matter baseball 1994-2005 ***
Let's try to understand your position or positions shall we,
Re-read my post and you'll see that's not what I am inferring, I am inferring that your points do not make sense. You selectively apply your argument.
Your original post is not unclear, you said without the break the outcome would be different, that is clear in your first post.
Phil won, which logically means the break helped him avoid the choke you refer to in you original post. If not why bring it up?
Now you revise your statements to say "maybe, just maybe".
So you original statement is absolute, and now it's "maybe" it helped him or "potentially". Which is it? I am having a hard time nailing down your vague position.
Without the break does Tiger win, your first post is "yes", now it's "maybe."
Our point is clear, your posts don't make sense.
Thanks!
Pud.

[Rule35]

Let's try to understand your position or positions shall we,
Re-read my post and you'll see that's not what I am inferring, I am inferring that your points do not make sense. You selectively apply your argument.
Your original post is not unclear, you said without the break the outcome would be different, that is clear in your first post.
Phil won, which logically means the break helped him avoid the choke you refer to in you original post. If not why bring it up?
Now you revise your statements to say "maybe, just maybe".
So you original statement is absolute, and now it's "maybe" it helped him or "potentially". Which is it? I am having a hard time nailing down your vague position.
Without the break does Tiger win, your first post is "yes", now it's "maybe."
Our point is clear, your posts don't make sense.
Thanks!
Pud.
OK this time I will type slow, so you can follow
1. without the break the outcome is different
2. maybe= open for discussion, in my "vague" opinion.
3. I guess I have a hard time typing my opinion so that all of the members of Mensa on this site can understand. Sometimes it is hard for someone like me who didnt finish 6th grade to type with 1 finger.

and let me try to be clear on this point.
I am responding to you with one finger!!

[milhaus]

Give me a break, Rule35. Everyone knows that Tiger's -2 should have **** beside it as well, for signing an inaccurate score card. If he were David Toms, he would have DQed himself.

[Da Grape]

Give me a break, Rule35. Everyone knows that Tiger's -2 should have **** beside it as well, for signing an inaccurate score card. If he were David Toms, he would have DQed himself.
inaccurate score card?? please explain.

[mikemakeitso]

Give me a break, Rule35. Everyone knows that Tiger's -2 should have **** beside it as well, for signing an inaccurate score card. If he were David Toms, he would have DQed himself.
O'course... only the Tiger does things incorrectly... everyone else is perfect including Monty... Wy do you think he should have been disqualified?

btw... Not related to this comment....
...if it wasn't for Tiger you really think the Tour would have the payouts like the enjoy now??? The Tour guys love him... for that smiple reason alone....

[milhaus]

I would have thought that "golf nuts" would have known about the controversy over the weekend. But for those who didn't, here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050813/PGASIDE13/TPSports/?query=tiger

Yes, there was uncertainty. He "wasn't sure." Well, David Toms would have DQed himself.

I'm being facetious here. . . . I don't really think Tiger should have DQed himself, but frankly, I'm sick of the fans stuck on Tiger's jock.

On Sunday, Phil would have made his 4 footer. After that he has a par 3, par 4, and two par 5s. Do you really think he would have gone 2 over in those four holes? Even is about as bad as he could have possibly done. It wasn't like he was playing the front nine.

[pudubny]

OK this time I will type slow, so you can follow
1. without the break the outcome is different
2. maybe= open for discussion, in my "vague" opinion.
3. I guess I have a hard time typing my opinion so that all of the members of Mensa on this site can understand. Sometimes it is hard for someone like me who didnt finish 6th grade to type with 1 finger.

and let me try to be clear on this point.
I am responding to you with one finger!!
SO will I,
1/ You say put an asterisk beside Phil's name because the outcome would CERTAINLY be different without the break.
2/ We, that is many, say that it is in no way a certainty the outcome would be different. We all easily realize that we will never know, as you say.
3/ Not only that but your strong stance ("put an asterisk") does not make sense. Your assertion that the break helped Phil, or prevented a choke does not make sense for reasons listed in my posts and MANY others. We acknowledge it could have made a difference, but we do not assert it changed the outcome for certain. That is our argument, you say it changed it for certain, we say that does not make sense to say that, for certain!
4/ Clearly presented with opinions and ideas that contradict your own strong views, your reactions are less than flattering. :(
5/ Try expressing less absolute views if you do not want to have these discussions. You presented a strong view, we reacted equally strong.
6/ Perhaps if your thread stated "Did the break change the outcome of the PGA"? the reaction would be different. But you stated your view.
7/ When making potentially controversial statements, do not be surprised when people actually enjoy engaging you in debate. ;)

I enjoy a good debate, I do appologize if I seem to enjoy it too much but I'll stand by my views and enjoy the discussion.

.....we now return you to our regularly scheduled program....:D
Pud.

[Da Grape]

I would have thought that "golf nuts" would have known about the controversy over the weekend. But for those who didn't, here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050813/PGASIDE13/TPSports/?query=tiger

Yes, there was uncertainty. He "wasn't sure." Well, David Toms would have DQed himself.

I'm being facetious here. . . . I don't really think Tiger should have DQed himself, but frankly, I'm sick of the fans stuck on Tiger's jock.

On Sunday, Phil would have made his 4 footer. After that he has a par 3, par 4, and two par 5s. Do you really think he would have gone 2 over in those four holes? Even is about as bad as he could have possibly done. It wasn't like he was playing the front nine.
Oh that incident.

Really couldnt tell ya if Steve Williams did or anyone else for that matter. Unfortunately, someone did accidentally step on it but we will never know who.

[noback]

Really couldnt tell ya if Steve Williams did or anyone else for that matter I heard on the golf channell that sir williams "flinched" at one point during the search and seconds later, he found the ball. Someone who saw this up close and in the area, saw his reaction. The cat stood by his caddie and the PGA stood by it's meal ticket, therefore no DQ:rolleyes:

[AnnikaFan]

from the video, it did look like as if Steve William stepped on the ball.

the video didn't show him stepping on the ball per se, but as soon as he walked passed the area the ball was roughly at, he immediately turned back and pointed to the ground showing that he found the ball. He would have continued to search in that direction if he didn't "step on the ball"

[Boagz]

Grass roots tour and rule35 dont seem to know their ***' from page 5!, how could you guys even attempt to say those things regarding phils win, tiger had all the chances in the world to come back, but did he?....NO!, you too are fools, and perhaps a little jealous that you arent playing on the PGA....and grass roots tour....u seem to me to be a little fruity yourself...im not one to make comments, but u are a joke...talk big about your game...what game... all you are is an amateur...and u will always be one....i always sit back and listen too you yap and write your 150 messeges a day...thinking too myself...this guys a moron....stop talking ish on this forum unless u have something decent to say...and go work on your maturity...idiot!Boagz

[Rocknronny]

Grass roots tour and rule35 dont seem to know their ***' from page 5!, how could you guys even attempt to say those things regarding phils win, tiger had all the chances in the world to come back, but did he?....NO!, you too are fools, and perhaps a little jealous that you arent playing on the PGA....and grass roots tour....u seem to me to be a little fruity yourself...im not one to make comments, but u are a joke...talk big about your game...what game... all you are is an amateur...and u will always be one....i always sit back and listen too you yap and write your 150 messeges a day...thinking too myself...this guys a moron....stop talking ish on this forum unless u have something decent to say...and go work on your maturity...idiot!BoagzAnd you are who????? We just try to have some fun.Its you that needs to lighten up its all in good fun.As for whos the IDIOT maybe you should look in the mirror..:hush:

[pudubny]

Grass roots tour and rule35 dont seem to know their ***' from page 5!, how could you guys even attempt to say those things regarding phils win, tiger had all the chances in the world to come back, but did he?....NO!, you too are fools, and perhaps a little jealous that you arent playing on the PGA....and grass roots tour....u seem to me to be a little fruity yourself...im not one to make comments, but u are a joke...talk big about your game...what game... all you are is an amateur...and u will always be one....i always sit back and listen too you yap and write your 150 messeges a day...thinking too myself...this guys a moron....stop talking ish on this forum unless u have something decent to say...and go work on your maturity...idiot!Boagz
Mok,
Better shut er down! It's gettin ugly.
Even I think that was a bit harsh! Me, of all people.

Can't we all just get along?
Pud.
P.S. I like GRT, even if he is a curmudgeon.

[mikemakeitso]

Grass roots tour and rule35 dont seem to know their ***' from page 5!, how could you guys even attempt to say those things regarding phils win, tiger had all the chances in the world to come back, but did he?....NO!, you too are fools, and perhaps a little jealous that you arent playing on the PGA....and grass roots tour....u seem to me to be a little fruity yourself...im not one to make comments, but u are a joke...talk big about your game...what game... all you are is an amateur...and u will always be one....i always sit back and listen too you yap and write your 150 messeges a day...thinking too myself...this guys a moron....stop talking ish on this forum unless u have something decent to say...and go work on your maturity...idiot!Boagz
...Now, now kids - is this really called for?

You talk about maturity - take a look at your post again - I think there are other ways of expressing your opinion and making your point while still geting along with everyone here... Believe me, you'll learn to appreciate GRT... the long your on this forum...

Any opinion, even yours - is food for thought... Keep that in mind... Before you make a bigger donkey out of yourself than greenie has...

[Rocknronny]

...Now, now kids - is this really called for?

You talk about maturity - take a look at your post again - I think there are other ways of expressing your opinion and making your point while still geting along with everyone here... Believe me, you'll learn to appreciate GRT... the long your on this forum...

Any opinion, even yours - is food for thought... Keep that in mind... Before you make a bigger donkey out of yourself than greenie has...OTFLMAO:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Boagz]

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everybody make love to GRT, ahahahahahahha



STOP TALKING ON THE INTERNET AND GO PLAY SOME REAL GOLF

[Rocknronny]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAA



everybody make love to GRT, ahahahahahahha



STOP TALKING ON THE INTERNET AND GO PLAY SOME REAL GOLFAnd you are doing WHAT????????

[Flogger]

...Now, now kids - is this really called for?

You talk about maturity - take a look at your post again - I think there are other ways of expressing your opinion and making your point while still geting along with everyone here... Believe me, you'll learn to appreciate GRT... the long your on this forum...

Any opinion, even yours - is food for thought... Keep that in mind... Before you make a bigger donkey out of yourself than greenie has...

:rofl: Who needs television for entertainment anymore when you've got TGN :D

[mikemakeitso]

:rofl: Who needs television for entertainment anymore when you've got TGN :D
Yeah Baby - Who's your daddy...

btw Flogger, what gives with the new Avatar... I don't care how good he is with the guitar or how well he sings... He's just NOT doing it for me...:eek:

[Rocknronny]

:rofl: Who needs television for entertainment anymore when you've got TGN :DUntil MOK puts a padlock on it..:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[noback]

Think maybe one the moderators might want to step in now?:rolleyes:

Before someone makes an http://forum.ottawagolf.com/images/smilies/shakin.gif (http://forum.ottawagolf.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=4#)of themselves and gets http://forum.ottawagolf.com/images/smilies/banned2.gif (http://forum.ottawagolf.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=4#):D

[Flogger]

what gives with the new Avatar... I don't care how good he is with the guitar or how well he sings... He's just NOT doing it for me...:eek:
this from a guy who's favourite musican is Barney the dancing dinosaur :rofl: .

[Rule35]

SO will I,
1/ You say put an asterisk beside Phil's name because the outcome would CERTAINLY be different without the break.
2/ We, that is many, say that it is in no way a certainty the outcome would be different. We all easily realize that we will never know, as you say.
3/ Not only that but your strong stance ("put an asterisk") does not make sense. Your assertion that the break helped Phil, or prevented a choke does not make sense for reasons listed in my posts and MANY others. We acknowledge it could have made a difference, but we do not assert it changed the outcome for certain. That is our argument, you say it changed it for certain, we say that does not make sense to say that, for certain!
4/ Clearly presented with opinions and ideas that contradict your own strong views, your reactions are less than flattering. :(
5/ Try expressing less absolute views if you do not want to have these discussions. You presented a strong view, we reacted equally strong.
6/ Perhaps if your thread stated "Did the break change the outcome of the PGA"? the reaction would be different. But you stated your view.
7/ When making potentially controversial statements, do not be surprised when people actually enjoy engaging you in debate. ;)

I enjoy a good debate, I do appologize if I seem to enjoy it too much but I'll stand by my views and enjoy the discussion.

.....we now return you to our regularly scheduled program....:D
Pud.
Sing it with me everyone,
"we are the world, we are the golf nuts, we are the ones who like to play the game so lets start playing""

Thanks for engaging in the lively debate, to me thats what this site is all about. While its nice to read that Golf town has tees on sale for $3.99.'
I'm here to give opinions, and receive criticism (and there certainly is lots of that)

I can take it boys,

and as my good pal Pud says, back to the regularily scheduled program!!

[Rocknronny]

this from a guy who's favourite musican is Barney the dancing dinosaur :rofl: .Thats to funny.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Grass roots tour and rule35 dont seem to know their ***' from page 5!, how could you guys even attempt to say those things regarding phils win, tiger had all the chances in the world to come back, but did he?....NO!, you too are fools, and perhaps a little jealous that you arent playing on the PGA....and grass roots tour....u seem to me to be a little fruity yourself...im not one to make comments, but u are a joke...talk big about your game...what game... all you are is an amateur...and u will always be one....i always sit back and listen too you yap and write your 150 messeges a day...thinking too myself...this guys a moron....stop talking ish on this forum unless u have something decent to say...and go work on your maturity...idiot!Boagz

First time for everything I guess. Never been called an amatuer by a 25 handicap chopper before. Thats a new one on me.

Bring your wallet next time you want to something stupid like that. We'll see for sure who the "amatuer" is.

[Boagz]

25 handicap, hahahah ....please buddy, u talk to much...say u have all this game, ahahhaha, chopper......fool!

this all from the guy who comes home from work..(if he does even work...judging by your messeges per hour rate, id say doubtful) and posts about everything even when he has no clue

anytime pal, anytime,....u bring your wallet

[tjhayko]

...Now, now kids - is this really called for?

You talk about maturity - take a look at your post again - I think there are other ways of expressing your opinion and making your point while still geting along with everyone here... Believe me, you'll learn to appreciate GRT... the long your on this forum...

Any opinion, even yours - is food for thought... Keep that in mind... Before you make a bigger donkey out of yourself than greenie has...

Wow, Mikemakeitso the calming voice of reason. I like it. Never thought I'd see it, but I like it :rofl: :rofl:

[Rocknronny]

Can I play too?????????

[tjhayko]

this from a guy who's favourite musican is Barney the dancing dinosaur :rofl: .

Barney's awesome, but not as good a Freddi Fish:

I'm a little fishy, swimming to and fro,
I always eat my seaweed, 'cause it helps me grow!
One day I'll be big and strong, and I'll never have to fear,
but for now I'm just a little fishy hiding under here!

Awesome tunes!

I gotta agree with Mikemakeitso, Flogger's new avatar just doesn't do it for me.

[Rocknronny]

25 handicap, hahahah ....please buddy, u talk to much...say u have all this game, ahahhaha, chopper......fool!

this all from the guy who comes home from work..(if he does even work...judging by your messeges per hour rate, id say doubtful) and posts about everything even when he has no clue

anytime pal, anytime,....u bring your walletYou do no that GRT has a tourny this saturday and Im sure he could fit you in.....

[Grass Roots Tour]

25 handicap, hahahah ....please buddy, u talk to much...say u have all this game, ahahhaha, chopper......fool!

this all from the guy who comes home from work..(if he does even work...judging by your messeges per hour rate, id say doubtful) and posts about everything even when he has no clue

anytime pal, anytime,....u bring your wallet
Clownshoes!

[Rule35]

25 handicap, hahahah ....please buddy, u talk to much...say u have all this game, ahahhaha, chopper......fool!

this all from the guy who comes home from work..(if he does even work...judging by your messeges per hour rate, id say doubtful) and posts about everything even when he has no clue

anytime pal, anytime,....u bring your wallet"Hi my name is Boagz, I play blades, and a balata neon golf ball. I still use persimmon.

Stay in the shadows, ya gimme takin improve your lies in the fairway hack.

[Mok]

Hey guys, calm down here! Geez, couple hours away from the computer for dinner and wham!

Everyone can make a statement or state their opinion about their favourite golfer or most hated golfer, but please respect other members of the forum and keep the rude comments to yourself.

Try and keep the talks about betting to private messaging. If the other party does not respond then you know the answer, no need to persist, no need to announce to the forum, no need to send another message.

Thanks, and have a good night gentlemen.