Scramble Scores.... I am always skeptical

[Anthony]

I really want to see these "honest" -13's and lower on tough courses in a scramble.... Unless all are under 10 handicappers, bombers on their game I just can't buy some of these scores that are posted in every tourney I attend.

What's the best you've witnessed, where and how good were the golfers?

[Long Ball]

Totally agree with you. I was at a 4 Man Scramble at Brampton. We played well and thought coming down 18 if we could get to 11 under we would have a shot of winning. hahahahhahha yeah right.

2 groups tied at 58, a third at 59 and another 2 at 60's.

The group that won had (no offense to the older golfers) 2 guys in there late 60's and a third in there 50's

Come on.

[Leftygolfer30]

I know of a certain team of TGN'ers that shot a 16 or 17 under last summer!

VERY low scores are possible, especially when a guy holes out twice from the fairway!

[duffer_devon]

I won my company tourney with -10 and we left a couple of shots out there. I thought after the fisrt nine we would have a shot at 59.
It would be easy at a charity event to have someone at all the par threes and record the score for each group going through. Then compare those scores to the one's turned in.

[Golfing in Ottawa]

And you should be skeptical...............

I play some charity tournaments at a course here in Ottawa which has GPS carts and you can enter your score on the screen after you play each hole.
Trouble is you can also see the leader board and what your competitors are doing..............
So as the booze increases during the day the scoring gets "very interesting".........especially some people going back and changing scores...........:nono:

Take these scramble charity tournaments for what they are............

I am sure we all know at least one person who only wants to play scramble tournaments and avoids playing a regular stroke round..............Do you think it might have something to do with the fact his REAL score will be recorded...????? ;)

[SoNgMaN]

only way to make it fair is an 8some keeping the others score. i've seen the creative accounting many times.

[braithwaite]

A couple guys from here, and I, played in a tournament where we shot -14 and missed 2 or 3 birdies from 10 feet. Very low scores are possible in 4 man teams

[The Troll]

A couple guys from here, and I, played in a tournament where we shot -14 and missed 2 or 3 birdies from 10 feet. Very low scores are possible in 4 man teams

I agree....if you put 4 scratch golfers together I would bet they would be in the -13 to -18 range.

Last year at our opening day my group which had two 12's, an 18 and a 30 handi shot -7 to finish second. We were far from a good group but we had complimentary skills and our score was straight up.

That said, I'm only saying it is doable....not doubt there are many who will cheat to get on the prize table.

[3whack]

I used to feel the same way, until I was in two different winning groups. I believe we were about -14 both times.

Were we all scratch golfers? Hardly. Were the scores accurate. Absolutely.

The first time, it was basically a situation in which I played reasonably well from tee-to-green, and one other guy was draining everything.

The other time, none of us played particularly well. However, on every shot and every putt, one of us would manage to hit it well. And, it was never the same person nor was it ever the 4th person hitting, with all of the pressure on their shoulders. Nor were we tearing down the pin. It was basically down the middle, 15 feet from the stick, make the putt. That time, it never really seemed like we were playing that great---until late in the round and we started to really take note of our score.

Does this mean that some others don't cheat? No.

[Anthony]

We shot -11 at Pipers Heath on Saturday and it is not an overly difficult course from the the whites when you play with 2 5-8 handicappers who do it over 300 yards. We too made some putts and left some out there. We did not struggle at all out there. It was a perfect round. I know it can happen, but I do not believe when you have stringent rules (i.e. must use 2-3 tee shots from each golfer) and are playing a tougher course then that how it can be done. Everyone always claims they left some out there and seldom do you stick all shots within 15 feet.

Yesterday my second scramble of the week, the winning score was -13 on a tougher course where there was wind, a number of very tricky greens, at least three of the par 5's were three shot ones.

The past year I have played with some very good golfers and the idea that everyone is shooting down the flag and sinking plenty of 15-20 footers just is not the case.

While there are courses where these low scores are possible and I refuse to believe scores in the 50's are possible @ Angus, Glen Abbey, Lionhead, Eagle's Nest..... are possible. Would love to see it though.

[Bellyhungry]

I played in over 100 scramble corporate/charity scramble tournaments over the years and won 3 times.

It is improbable, but not impossible.

I did encounter a guy in the same business who seem to win consistently for a period of time no matter who else was in his team. Everyone else just assume he cheated.

[davepratt]

I agree with Songman. We use 8 somes and it moves along fine. I played in one where the guy keeping our score was cheating. I told him if he handed in the card I was going to rat him out so he threw it away. More and more charity events are drawing numbers for the prize table so low scores mean nothing but bragging rights.

[luv2golow]

I played in an event at Carrying Place last year. We finished 14 under. Everyone just assumed we cheated until one of the groups in front of us mentioned that he saw me hole out from the fairway twice in 6 holes. That pretty much shut the naysayers up quickily. It's certainly not normal, but do-able.:D

Won another one at the Abbey about 5 years ago, we finished 10 under. At the time I was a 10 hdcp and playing with 3 others that were all single digits. Another team of hackers came in with a round of 8 under. Can't speak for them, but we marked the card as instructed. I guess once the beers start flowing, it's a little easier to embelish the card.

[Anthony]

I played in an event at Carrying Place last year. We finished 14 under. Everyone just assumed we cheated until one of the groups in front of us mentioned that he saw me hole out from the fairway twice in 6 holes. That pretty much shut the naysayers up quickily. It's certainly not normal, but do-able.:D

Won another one at the Abbey about 5 years ago, we finished 10 under. At the time I was a 10 hdcp and playing with 3 others that were all single digits. Another team of hackers came in with a round of 8 under. Can't speak for them, but we marked the card as instructed. I guess once the beers start flowing, it's a little easier to embelish the card.

-10 @ the Abbey with 3 single digits makes sense especially if long hitters and the tees are up. -14 @ Carrying Place with two hole outs practically unheard of but congrats to you..... Don't hole out and you are -12 on an easier course. Sort of proved my point.....;)

[Bellyhungry]

I played in an event at Carrying Place last year. We finished 14 under. Everyone just assumed we cheated until one of the groups in front of us mentioned that he saw me hole out from the fairway twice in 6 holes. That pretty much shut the naysayers up quickily. It's certainly not normal, but do-able.:D

You holed out from the fairway, so that's 2 eagles and -4.

Did they see how your team got the other -10?

[beacher34]

To me its all about strategy and who is on your team. We usually play and we have a 5,7,10 & 15 handicap and we have scored -12 to -15 on quite a few occassions. Its where the strenght lies within the players and with us 4 we all have strengths

[BowmanvilleJim]

We (4 single digit players) finnished second in one scramble to a 3 some (1 quite drunk dude, 1 guy with a swing like Charles Barkley and a woman who had never played before).

That was the last one for me. I detest scrambles. Since many tournaments now just draw for prizes and the scores really mean nothing then they are just a raffle.

[luv2golow]

You holed out from the fairway, so that's 2 eagles and -4.

Did they see how your team got the other -10?

We eagled 2 of the par 5's and made 7 birdies, one bogey, and the rest pars. Strangely enough, we were only one of 3 groups that recorded ANY bogeys on their cards. Kinda makes you think.......:rolleyes:

[Pingnut]

The best solution I've heard to this problem is to make 3 man teams and send 2 teams out together.

I've been burned at the prize table a few times by creative scorekeeping.

[Anthony]

Again I ask what courses??? I believe there are a number of shorter, easier courses where 13-14 is possible. For the "A" List courses I just refuse to believe it (Lionhead, Glen Abbey, Angus Glen)...... On these courses you are saying people are knocking it stiff all day and that I just do not for a second believe.

It's the same as all those golfers who claim to have a chip in and sink a 40 footer every round and you play with them and they do no such thing and are not even close....

[Pingnut]

Again I ask what courses??? I believe there are a number of shorter, easier courses where 13-14 is possible. For the "A" List courses I just refuse to believe it (Lionhead, Glen Abbey, Angus Glen)...... On these courses you are saying people are knocking it stiff all day and that I just do not for a second believe.

It's the same as all those golfers who claim to have a chip in and sink a 40 footer every round and you play with them and they do no such thing and are not even close....

I've shot par at Lionhead in a 2 man scramble with another 10+ handicapper and we missed about 20 putts. I think the odds of going low are MUCH better at courses like (Lionhead, Glen Abbey, Angus Glen). It's not very hard to hit the fairways from the white tees and if you have a couple guys that can putt - those greens are at least going to roll true / -14 isn't unrealistic.

[guitarman]

I know of a certain team of TGN'ers that shot a 16 or 17 under last summer!

VERY low scores are possible, especially when a guy holes out twice from the fairway!

And they do this every tournament?

[Anthony]

I've shot par at Lionhead in a 2 man scramble with another 10+ handicapper and we missed about 20 putts. I think the odds of going low are MUCH better at courses like (Lionhead, Glen Abbey, Angus Glen). It's not very hard to hit the fairways from the white tees and if you have a couple guys that can putt - those greens are at least going to roll true / -14 isn't unrealistic.

It's hitting the green and making tough putts.... Not every putt drops, I don't care how good you are.... You are not always going to be within 15 feet.... Check the stats and you'll see the % of putts made from distances over 10 feet is very low. And please don't tell me you are going to be -6 on the par 5's...

[corchard]

I've shot par at Lionhead in a 2 man scramble with another 10+ handicapper and we missed about 20 putts. I think the odds of going low are MUCH better at courses like (Lionhead, Glen Abbey, Angus Glen). It's not very hard to hit the fairways from the white tees and if you have a couple guys that can putt - those greens are at least going to roll true / -14 isn't unrealistic.

I played at Lionhead legends to a +1 in a 2 man scramble format. I left half a dozen birdies out there. It is doable.

When people start posting -18 or better I'd say they cheated unless you are playing on a very short course where almost every par 4 is drivable

[guitarman]

It's hitting the green and making tough putts.... Not every putt drops, I don't care how good you are.... You are not always going to be within 15 feet.... Check the stats and you'll see the % of putts made from distances over 10 feet is very low. And please don't tell me you are going to be -6 on the par 5's...

Every year at every tournament I go in there is the announcment of the lowest score then everyone else in the room always rolls their eyes.
I guarantee that these scores are mostly bogus. If you go with the stat that less than 5% of all golfers will even break 100 when sticking strctly to the rules I'd have to say there is some liberal cheating going on. Or a very select group of very few golfers is making the rounds to all these tournaments.

[hogannut]

Best score I have ever had in a scramble was a -10. What we did was to let the best playe always shoot last. When you have seen a putt 3 different times before you attempt it, it does give you a big advantage.

I agree though, unless you have at least one really good player who knows how honest these scores are.

At least you have beer at the end of the day.....as long as you keep it at .05 or less!!

[corchard]

If you go with the stat that less than 5% of all golfers will even break 100 when sticking strictly to the rules I'd have to say there is some liberal cheating going on.

I'll agree but it isn't automatic. What Pingnut and I are saying is that a group of low single digits can go very low. In a scramble with single digits HDCP most of the drives are in the fairway and you get to choose the longest one or the one with the best position to the green. 3 of 4 shots are going to be on the green and 1-2 will be in the makable range with one probably <10'.

The main point is that after seeing 1 well struck putt rolling to the hole, the green doesn't have any secrets anymore.

[Anthony]

I played at Lionhead legends to a +1 in a 2 man scramble format. I left half a dozen birdies out there. It is doable.

When people start posting -18 or better I'd say they cheated unless you are playing on a very short course where almost every par 4 is drivable

And what is the two of your's handicap??? +1 is not difficult even on a very difficult course like Legends for single digit handicappers. Leaving birdies out there is all a matter of preception.... Missing a 10 footer or not getting up and down from 20 yards off to a tough pin placement is not "leaving a birdie out there". Check a PGA tour player and I bet they are inside 10 feet for birdie less the 6 holes a round..... and yet in scrambles evryone is draining 30-40 footers, holing out of the fairways and making everything inside 15 feet on these courses with 130+ slopes..... Yep I roll my eyes.

[corchard]

And what is the two of your's handicap???
I'm an 8 and he was a 10
Missing a 10 footer or not getting up and down from 20 yards off to a tough pin placement is not "leaving a birdie out there".

Missing a 10 footer when you know the line and speed is definately leaving a birdie out there.

The best 4 person scramble I ever played to was -12 on an 70.5 index and 125 slope. I played with another single digit and a couple of high teens. We chipped in twice and hit 2 improbable putts of 20' and 30'. The rest of our birdies were 10' or less and I think we missed 2 under 10 feet


Check a PGA tour player and I bet they are inside 10 feet for birdie less the 6 holes a round..... and yet in scrambles evryone is draining 30-40 footers, holing out of the fairways and making everything inside 15 feet on these courses with 130+ slopes..... Yep I roll my eyes.

The pros generally have to play away from pins so they aren't going to get a lot inside 10'. The rest of it I agree is fishy but there will be a few that make the 40 footers.

I guess it depends on who sponsored the scramble. If Hooters is the sponsor and the prize is a trip for 4 to myrtle beach then the winning score is going to be -25 or better.

[duffer_devon]

Next time you play with your regular group, and have the time, everyone play from the best shot. Keep your own ball but play a team scramble ball and you'll see you can shoot -10 and better.
The tee shot will almost always be in the fairway. On Par 5s you should be chipping around the green for a birdie. And on in regulation on the Par 4s. It all comes down to putting then.

[Anthony]

Next time you play with your regular group, and have the time, everyone play from the best shot. Keep your own ball but play a team scramble ball and you'll see you can shoot -10 and better.
The tee shot will almost always be in the fairway. On Par 5s you should be chipping around the green for a birdie. And on in regulation on the Par 4s. It all comes down to putting then.

Sure..... from the whites @ Maples of Ballantrae, Kleinberg, Granite Ridge Oakridge, Lakeridge and a host of 120 slope courses with 470 yard open par 5's, if you all shoot in the mid 80's.... Try that at Glen Abbey, Copper Creek, Eagle's Nest, Lionhead, Angus Glen, Bond Head......

To go from -10 to -14, that is the real test.....

[Golftime]

Sure..... from the whites @ Maples of Ballantrae, Kleinberg, Granite Ridge Oakridge, Lakeridge and a host of 120 slope courses with 470 yard open par 5's, if you all shoot in the mid 80's.... Try that at Glen Abbey, Copper Creek, Eagle's Nest, Lionhead, Angus Glen, Bond Head......

To go from -10 to -14, that is the real test.....

I played a scramble at Glen Abbey with a group that included a 5, 12, 16, and 18 handicap. We played off the back tees on a rainy day and had trouble breaking 80! We were all members so course knowledge was not an issue. On several par 4s making the fairway was a cause for celebration. Drivers with small wooden heads had something to do with it. So on a difficult course -10 seems a bit hard to believe. On a shorter course it is not that difficult for a few groups to go low.

[golf nut]

Totally agree with you. I was at a 4 Man Scramble at Brampton. We played well and thought coming down 18 if we could get to 11 under we would have a shot of winning. hahahahhahha yeah right.

2 groups tied at 58, a third at 59 and another 2 at 60's.

The group that won had (no offense to the older golfers) 2 guys in there late 60's and a third in there 50's

Come on.I likely played that tourney, I have seen better scores on many occasions .

they are true scores.

[Strategery]

I'm been thinking the same for years and finally a thread on it! I've been very suspicious of some winning scores. A few years ago I played in a 3-man and the team paired with us shot -11; they were all scratch-ish and they made a ton of putts. However, I've seen some other 2-man and 3-man scores lower than that and I highly doubt the players were as good.

My brother and I shot -3 on a tough par 70 in best-ball format and finished second; that was sweet. We played in a mixed format tourney last fall and the team paired with us blatantly cheated (ball drop in woods, foot wedge), but they were not close to winning.

[ginrin]

Scrambles are really putting contests esp. 4 man scrambles since you will be on or close to the green on every hole.Low scores really aren't that uncommon if you see pros shooting 62 or better in a 2 man better ball.Remember Floyd and Couples shooting 62 in alternate shots at the Shark Shootout.Someone usually gets hot and the putts fall.

[racmbs]

A couple guys from here, and I, played in a tournament where we shot -14 and missed 2 or 3 birdies from 10 feet. Very low scores are possible in 4 man teams

We shot -16 dude...and I won the putting contest by holing out 3 putts from 40' in the 20 spot. :D

Sometimes in events like this you have to have someone with a good wedge game and a hot putter. We had all 4 guys on fire with the wedges, and my putter was smokin hot that day.....was making everything.

[braithwaite]

We shot -16 dude...and I won the putting contest by holing out 3 putts from 40' in the 20 spot. :D

Sometimes in events like this you have to have someone with a good wedge game and a hot putter. We had all 4 guys on fire with the wedges, and my putter was smokin hot that day.....was making everything.

Oh was it -16?? I don't remember lol All I know is we shot low :p

[Mule56]

I've played scrambles where the group that won couldn't walk after 18.:beer:
One where two of them didn't make the dinner after because they were sick to their stomachs. :beer: Those are real hard to believe.

I have also played when 4 players with less than 5 caps shot -16. There was no doubt in my mind they played honest as I knew them all and not one drink, but water or Gatorade, between them until after the round.
So it can be done, but it also can be cheated.
Mule

[racmbs]

I've played scrambles where the group that won couldn't walk after 18.:beer:
One where two of them didn't make the dinner after because they were sick to their stomachs. :beer: Those are real hard to believe.

I have also played when 4 players with less than 5 caps shot -16. There was no doubt in my mind they played honest as I knew them all and not one drink, but water or Gatorade, between them until after the round.
So it can be done, but it also can be cheated.
Mule

I've played in events where it seems that the main event is how much one can pack back during a round and think it's fun. :cookoo:

Never did understand that....how fun can any sport possibly be, if you can't even put a sentence together.

[Anthony]

I've played scrambles where the group that won couldn't walk after 18.:beer:
One where two of them didn't make the dinner after because they were sick to their stomachs. :beer: Those are real hard to believe.

I have also played when 4 players with less than 5 caps shot -16. There was no doubt in my mind they played honest as I knew them all and not one drink, but water or Gatorade, between them until after the round.
So it can be done, but it also can be cheated.
Mule

As said, when I see four 6' lean, late twenties, mid 30's, wearing slacks on an 85 degree day go up to collect their prizes I am a sucka and believe it;). Usually I don't see that, and will state you better have at least 3 of 4 single handicappers and bombers to get below -11 on the courses I mentioned. BTW what copurse was the -14 and -16 on?

I still continually comment that the prize in any case should be trophies and not ridiculous over the top prizes.

Last week following my first ever win I collected a golf shirt (with a very prominent sponsor logo on the front) and a cooler bag whoopee....

[racmbs]

As said, when I see four 6' lean, late twenties, mid 30's, wearing slacks on an 85 degree day go up to collect their prizes I am a sucka and believe it;). Usually I don't see that, and will state you better have at least 3 of 4 single handicappers and bombers to get below -11 on the courses I mentioned. BTW what copurse was the -14 and -16 on?

I still continually comment that the prize in any case should be trophies and not ridiculous over the top prizes.

Last week following my first ever win I collected a golf shirt (with a very prominent sponsor logo on the front) and a cooler bag whoopee....

Angus Glen North and South.

[Mule56]

As said, when I see four 6' lean, late twenties, mid 30's, wearing slacks on an 85 degree day go up to collect their prizes I am a sucka and believe it;). Usually I don't see that, and will state you better have at least 3 of 4 single handicappers and bombers to get below -11 on the courses I mentioned. BTW what copurse was the -14 and -16 on?

I still continually comment that the prize in any case should be trophies and not ridiculous over the top prizes.

Last week following my first ever win I collected a golf shirt (with a very prominent sponsor logo on the front) and a cooler bag whoopee....

Not sure about the -14 since I never mentioned that one, but the -16 was at Smugglers Glenn.
Mule

[Chambokl]

Well today our score in a Father's Day scramble was -15... 2nd place -13 ans 3rd palce -12.

It is probably the lowest score for a scramble in town in the last 20 years... just one of these days. With the same team last year we were -6...

Like somebody mention it comes down to putting... We made all our putts except 2 from between 12 to 20 feet...

1 eagle, 13 birdies and 4 pars.

It si possible to score low and our combine HDCP was 35 (3, 7, 10 and 15)

[Anthony]

Well today our score in a Father's Day scramble was -15... 2nd place -13 ans 3rd palce -12.

It is probably the lowest score for a scramble in town in the last 20 years... just one of these days. With the same team last year we were -6...

Like somebody mention it comes down to putting... We made all our putts except 2 from between 12 to 20 feet...

1 eagle, 13 birdies and 4 pars.

It si possible to score low and our combine HDCP was 35 (3, 7, 10 and 15)

Yes with the worst golfer being a respectible 15. Are there any long hitters? Also what course?

[caddishack]

need to use that Bill Murray Formula!!!! 2 groups of 3 per tee, each taking the others score.

I think that in scrambles, the winners should win a little memento for their achievement, but by no means give great prizes for the wins as that does encourage cheating. All Prizes should be random so that even the worse golfer stands a chance of winning. The cost of some tourneys is so overpriced I am surprised that high handicappers even enter

[Chambokl]

Yes, there was 2 goups of 4 per tees. Each team keep scores for the other. Long hitters... I was the shortest hitter... Carry about 230 to 240... The 3 hdcp is just nuts... carries 260+ regularly...

6 par 5 between 480 and 520... 4 of them we were inside the 200 yrd marker to the green... makes for an easier game. The other 2 times we were about 235... which I reach the green on 1 of them.

Like I said this was the best score at the club in about 20+ years... if not more.

[neltron3030]

I think low scores are definitely doable...but again you have to look at everyone's complimentary abilities.

I often play with a few friends who are about a 5, 10, 10, (17 - me) and we are always in the running for best score in scramble or best ball tournaments because some of us are inconsistent and streaky players.

I played in an alumni tournament at Braeben and we shot a -10 (had to take two tee shots from everyone) and we ended up with the win. Our group was a golf pro (2-4), me (17), and two others who were probably 30+ handipcappers. The one guy was 65 years old and hit driver on a par 3, 135 yard hole. He also hit 5 clutch birdie putts.

[Anthony]

Yes, there was 2 goups of 4 per tees. Each team keep scores for the other. Long hitters... I was the shortest hitter... Carry about 230 to 240... The 3 hdcp is just nuts... carries 260+ regularly...

6 par 5 between 480 and 520... 4 of them we were inside the 200 yrd marker to the green... makes for an easier game. The other 2 times we were about 235... which I reach the green on 1 of them.

Like I said this was the best score at the club in about 20+ years... if not more.

Congrats.... Great score and certainly with the skill and length of the golfers I see a -15 as doable.

[Magootz]

Guys keep in mind that scrambles are usually played from the whites to get the tourney done faster, that being said, some par 4's can be reached in 1 and all par 5's in two with 4 good golfers. Really low scores are not uncommon from the whites. Huge difference putting for eagle an some par 4's and all par 5's

[Chambokl]

Our tournament are played from the Yellow tees (back). The blue tees are used by ladies, Jr and seniors... but not for tournament.

Par 4 can not really be reach on the drive. 1st/10th hole is 345 (might reach) but trees and bunker protecting the green... about 15 feet wide space to roll your ball to the green. Hole #8/17 is 400 yards again protected in the front by a gulley and #9 is 375 and # 18 is 415 yards...

[The Troll]

There was a club pro 2 man scramble at Hidden Lakes this week. Winning score was 57.

Hate to think of what the score would have been in a club pro 4 man scramble.

[guitarman]

There was a club pro 2 man scramble at Hidden Lakes this week. Winning score was 57.

Hate to think of what the score would have been in a club pro 4 man scramble.


Yes I am always skeptical to but I never say anything. If somebody is so pathetic they have to cheat in a golf tournament, then that is their problem.

[The Troll]

If somebody is so pathetic they have to cheat in a golf tournament, then that is their problem.

Doubtful there would have been any cheating in this event as they are teamed up with other pros. There were many scores in the low 60's as well.

[golf nut]

Played a two man best net yesterday at Brampton. best score was 54, imagine what this could have been if it was a scramble.

[neltron3030]

Played a two man best net yesterday at Brampton. best score was 54, imagine what this could have been if it was a scramble.

Now that is just BS.

[guitarman]

Doubtful there would have been any cheating in this event as they are teamed up with other pros. There were many scores in the low 60's as well.

Then why are you skeptical?

[Bellyhungry]

Played a two man best net yesterday at Brampton. best score was 54, imagine what this could have been if it was a scramble.

Assuming the course is par 72, that is 18 uner.

When I watched the PGA Pros played at the Shark Shootout, they don't even shoot that score over the year. And these are the best players in the world.

54 is definitely BS.

[The Troll]

Then why are you skeptical?

Terry, where did I say I was skeptical? :confused:

(Just trying to wind Anthony up )

[pendlebg]

Out of curiousity, how many of these scrambles have the gimmicks you can buy for charity, like buying mulligans and especially the piece of string to use for short putts for no stroke? I find those can lower a team score by 4 - 6 strokes right there. Then a 16 under is really a 10 or 12 under. Not complaining about them, but they can explain some of the very low scores.

The best I was ever in was a -12, which including 4 "string" putts and the use of mulligans to likely save a stroke on 2 holes that everyone drove poorly. So we should have been somewhere like -6 without the charitable aids. But, everyone at the entire tournament has them, so all the scores go down by roughly the same amount and it is equal for all.

I assume that some of the low scores mentioned in thisthreadr, but likely not all, have had the benefit of free strokes and mulligans that you buy (and also help to raise more money for the charity, which is kind of the main point, no?) ,

[harv]

I am actually frustated at myself for reading too many of these posts on this matter ...
It is not hard to shoot -14 or better in a scramble with 4 players that are less than a 7-10 handicap.
Most players in that range hit a majority of their shots fairly straight, long and hit on or near most greens in regulation. Most scrambles play the tees somewhat forward which would put even a 250 yard drive (not long) with 4 guys having short iron shots at the pin.
I myself, as a young golfer shooting low 70's would shoot -15-16 in all scrambles we entered with similar calibre players ... and even now that our scores have risen to shooting mid-80's it's the bad misses that lead to the higher scores on 4-5 holes. Those are erased in a scramble format and the good shots rewarded.
Tough courses still play 6500 and under in scrambles which takes away the danger off the tee as you can drive over it.

Lock it up.

Assuming the course is par 72, that is 18 uner.

When I watched the PGA Pros played at the Shark Shootout, they don't even shoot that score over the year. And these are the best players in the world.

54 is definitely BS.

Do either of you two know what "net score" is??

An 18 handicapper for example gets a stroke on each hole .... so a par counts as a birdie.
I'd imagine the two guys were higher than 18 handicappers who played well for them.
Doesn't mean they didn't "sand bag" their handicaps, but that's another conversation altogether.

[Anthony]

Found this by accident and find it interesting that with females there is no issue in leveling the playing field and making the round/game fun and equally competitive for all.... But for men (at least some on this site) the indignation that something like this be implemented is laughable.....

http://www.angusglen.com/Whatson/2008_ladies_harvest.pdf

Would love to see all Charity Events adopt something like this.

[Hombre Lefty]

Found this by accident and find it interesting that with females there is no issue in leveling the playing field and making the round/game fun and equally competitive for all.... But for men (at least some on this site) the indignation that something like this be implemented is laughable.....

http://www.angusglen.com/Whatson/2008_ladies_harvest.pdf

Would love to see all Charity Events adopt something like this.

two questions :

1) does anyone know what the "angus glen hidden hole system" is?
2) i know what she was "trying" to say, but the organizer's title made me laugh - "PGA Master and Life Professional" ... so shes both a "pga master" and a "life professional!" - seems yoda-like to me :rofl:

[Anthony]

two questions :

1) does anyone know what the "angus glen hidden hole system" is?
2) i know what she was "trying" to say, but the organizer's title made me laugh - "PGA Master and Life Professional" ... so shes both a "pga master" and a "life professional!" - seems yoda-like to me :rofl:

Yes I got a laugh too.... No idea about the hidden hole and how it can work considering a scramble means 95% of the time a birdie or par (with a very rare bogey). I just love the sexist slant, though I think they have it right for an event such as this......

[neltron3030]

I would assume that it is similar to that of a "day handicap" system where the system sees performance on certain holes based on difficulty. On the other hand, it could be just random.

[Hombre Lefty]

cant possibly be worse than the LMG event I played in where the winner was determined by drawing scores out of a hat. :-)

[Cybergolfer]

cant possibly be worse than the LMG event I played in where the winner was determined by drawing scores out of a hat. :-)

I do not claim responsibility for any of the preceding opinions because I am legally insane - Hombre Lefty
I'm assuming your left handed which means you're in your right mind which means you can't be insane. :)

[Weirfan]

Personally I dont see that 2 pros shooting 57 or 54 in a best ball is all that outragous.

I have played in three 2 man best ball tournaments over the years and I was between a 6 and 9 capper playing 2 times witha sim capper and once with a 15 cap

2 of these rounds were at Glen Eagle from the blues......we shot 68 and 69

with the 15 capper we were at Diamond when it was Chestnutt Hill back and shot 71 in cold rain


Been in 2 four man scrambles this year and won both.....scores were -15 and -14.

Best 4 man scramble score I have got is -18 twice and that was with the same 4 some and with me not really a low capper being the best golfer....once at Station Creek and once at Angus Glen.........the key was we putted the lights out.

The best score in a 4 man scramble I have seen and played in is -19 twice

[Anthony]

Personally I dont see that 2 pros shooting 57 or 54 in a best ball is all that outragous.

I have played in three 2 man best ball tournaments over the years and I was between a 6 and 9 capper playing 2 times witha sim capper and once with a 15 cap

2 of these rounds were at Glen Eagle from the blues......we shot 68 and 69

with the 15 capper we were at Diamond when it was Chestnutt Hill back and shot 71 in cold rain


Been in 2 four man scrambles this year and won both.....scores were -15 and -14.

Best 4 man scramble score I have got is -18 twice and that was with the same 4 some and with me not really a low capper being the best golfer....once at Station Creek and once at Angus Glen.........the key was we putted the lights out.

The best score in a 4 man scramble I have seen and played in is -19 twice

Invite me next time.... I want to see a -15 on a scramble..... Very difficult and I would expect all better be single handicappers who can hit it 280+.....

[golf nut]

Invite me next time.... I want to see a -15 on a scramble..... Very difficult and I would expect all better be single handicappers who can hit it 280+.....
You can expect all you want but don't expect to be invited.

What is it that you don't understand about a scramble that scores like this happen all the time.

[Weirfan]

Invite me next time.... I want to see a -15 on a scramble..... Very difficult and I would expect all better be single handicappers who can hit it 280+.....

I dont know what scrambles you attend but every one that I go to you have to shoot -14 or better to have a chance at placing.

and no in the group that we shot -18 both times we had a 5 capper a 7 capper ( me) a guy who is around 14 and another that is about 18 or 20

we all drive the ball ok, the 5 capper is a big guy and hits it a mile....regularly in the 300 range, have seen him hit it over 350 on a few holes at Station Creek where we had mid to short irons into par 5's , me and the other two guys hit it longer than most but not over 280 very often. we are all very good putters of the ball


I play in an annual scramble ( 4 years straight now) with a pile of friends in Shelby North Carolina.......we are all decent golfers....course is a regulation and good test .........the tournament is sold out every year with 36 teams and there are always 5 or 6 teams that come in at
67 (-15) or better, usually -18 or -17 wins.