Michelle Wie (Samsung World Championship)

[chiantibro]

Michelle Wie begins her professional career today at the Samsung World Championship. She seems pretty balanced and calm during her interviews, and I think she can top-ten at this tourny. Interested to see how things shake out over the next few days. Would love to see Wie and Morgan Pressel play in the final group on Sunday...or with Annika.
Thoughts?

[focal]

click to see leaderboard (http://www.lpga.com/leaderboard.html?rf=20051013105448)

she should be fine..finish top 6...

[Ego Woods]

Michelle Wie begins her professional career today at the Samsung World Championship. She seems pretty balanced and calm during her interviews, and I think she can top-ten at this tourny. Interested to see how things shake out over the next few days. Would love to see Wie and Morgan Pressel play in the final group on Sunday...or with Annika.
Thoughts?heh heh, top 10 isn't really a stretch considering there are only 18 players in the field and no cut. Chiantibro, you can make a better prediction than that.:)

Btw, Pressel is not in the field. Limited to major champions and players at the top of the money list. Wie got in thru a sponsor's exemption.

[openflows]

Given that Michelle is getting paid as a marketer, and not really as a golfer, I think part of how we should judge her is as a media star (in comparison to other media stars).

Obviously she has not made any money via her golf, and as many people point out has only won one significant tournament.

She is nonetheless an incredible golfer, and more noteworthy Michelle is magnificently marketable, and this is why she nabbed those 2 contracts with Nike and Sony for $10M/yr. She's a glamourized salesperson, a/k/a a media star, and should be judged accordingly. Once she starts making money as a golfer, and not a marketer, then I'm sure we all agree Wie's legitimacy will increase. However I can't help but wonder if Michelle would not have been a great marketer regardless of golf, given her poise, her looks, and her intelligence. I suppose it's golf that drives her ambition, and helps focus her energies...

[chiantibro]

heh heh, top 10 isn't really a stretch considering there are only 18 players in the field and no cut. Chiantibro, you can make a better prediction than that.:)

Btw, Pressel is not in the field. Limited to major champions and players at the top of the money list. Wie got in thru a sponsor's exemption.
Ouch, I stand corrected. Should have done a little research before posting. I figured that it was similar in standing to the men's WGC, and that Pressel would be there due to her placings in women's amateur and US Open. Too few players here, in my opinion.
But don't forget Ego, I got the Tiger's win total right!
cheers...

[iyell4]

y'all see p.33 in November's GD? power n' flexibility!:)

[Greywolf]

Is it just me or does anyone else think she should not be in this event?

[AnnikaFan]

who cares about wie when you got Annika on the top of the leaderboard!!! wooot!!!

yea..i find it weird how there's sponsor exemption for this event too

from TGC
"The Samsung World Championship has only 18 players and no cut, the field determined by major champions and top players from the money list. Wie was given an exemption, which knocked Inkster out of the field. Not only that, Wie has signed up Inkster's caddie, Greg Johnston."

hahaha...slap in the face....

[Golfbum]

Is it just me or does anyone else think she should not be in this event?
I agree she should not be in this event. However she actually would be 12th on the LPGA money list if she had not been an amateur all summer. Sponsors exemptions can be argued til we are all blue in the face, and we still can't do a damn thing about them!

Let's all face the facts. Wie will be the Woods of the LPGA as far as increasing purses etc. Therefore she will get invites to a lot of tournaments.

MONEY TALKS :)

[iyell4]

Wie was given an exemption, which knocked Inkster out of the field. Not only that, Wie has signed up Inkster's caddie, Greg Johnston."
hahaha...slap in the face....
not a slap in the face ... she did the righteous thing for the caddie ... why should he suffer? he earned the right to be on the bag (a bag) at this event.:)

[mikemakeitso]

I think many of the players are hoping for Wie to faulter... Even if you listen very closely to Annikas words, you'll notice it...

I'm paraphrasing here o'course... but she said something like this...

"...Shes wishes her well, hopes she enjoys the tour as much as she does - and now they are playing on an even level..."

I think she is referring to Wies excemptions to the events based on her previous Amateur status...

I suspect Wie will shine right out of the gates....

[AnnikaFan]

not a slap in the face ... she did the righteous thing for the caddie ... why should he suffer? he earned the right to be on the bag (a bag) at this event.:)
i meant a slap in the face for Julie Inkster :P no? ok:(

[Greywolf]

I agree she should not be in this event. However she actually would be 12th on the LPGA money list if she had not been an amateur all summer. Sponsors exemptions can be argued til we are all blue in the face, and we still can't do a damn thing about them!

Let's all face the facts. Wie will be the Woods of the LPGA as far as increasing purses etc. Therefore she will get invites to a lot of tournaments.

MONEY TALKS :)

I understand what you are saying, $$ do talk, but giving her an exemption when she has not done anything "official" on the LPGA tour is just wrong.
:(

[leftintherough]

Given that Michelle is getting paid as a marketer, and not really as a golfer, I think part of how we should judge her is as a media star (in comparison to other media stars).

Obviously she has not made any money via her golf, and as many people point out has only won one significant tournament.

She is nonetheless an incredible golfer, and more noteworthy Michelle is magnificently marketable, and this is why she nabbed those 2 contracts with Nike and Sony for $10M/yr. She's a glamourized salesperson, a/k/a a media star, and should be judged accordingly. Once she starts making money as a golfer, and not a marketer, then I'm sure we all agree Wie's legitimacy will increase. However I can't help but wonder if Michelle would not have been a great marketer regardless of golf, given her poise, her looks, and her intelligence. I suppose it's golf that drives her ambition, and helps focus her energies...
She has the whole marketing package and drives the excitement needed to grow the LPGA purses. Looks, personality, a great BIG swing, and an intense desire to compete.

I don't think that the others don't want her to compete, but its some of her statements about being the best golfer and already planning to compete with the men when she hasn't yet really earned the right. If she just came out a played and won a few tournaments first as a professional without that..... I think she would get more people on her side and earn the respect of the other LPGA golfers.

Time will tell if she will be the next Woods. But, it sure looks like it so far.

[focal]

-7 for the DAY riight now and is the clear LEADER

[westbeach]

Focal, beat me to it....

M Wie is unbelievable. Can't wait to see how she finishes off her round.

On a side note, when's the last time you guys looked up scores on the internet for the LPGA tour? I know I only do so when MW is in the field.

[Ego Woods]

But don't forget Ego, I got the Tiger's win total right!
cheers...
and I predicted two majors for Tiger! :D

Great day for Wie, she's shooting the lights out right now. Go Wie!

[Golfbum]

Focal, beat me to it....

M Wie is unbelievable. Can't wait to see how she finishes off her round.

On a side note, when's the last time you guys looked up scores on the internet for the LPGA tour? I know I only do so when MW is in the field.
I look at LPGA scores on the net quite often, in fact usually everytime I go to TGC website to check the PGA scores, I check the LPGA, Champions and Nationwide. Also the Euro tour. Wie does not have to be in the field before I will check on the LPGA or watch it on TV for that matter. Sooner or later a lot of people will get tired of watching every move she makes on the course. Same thing has happened with Woods. TV coverage is all over him even if he is not contending, which takes coverage away from guys that are in contention.

[Ego Woods]

Sooner or later a lot of people will get tired of watching every move she makes on the course. Same thing has happened with Woods. TV coverage is all over him even if he is not contending, which takes coverage away from guys that are in contention.
I agree it takes away coverage from other golfers, but I don't know if ppl are getting tired. TV Ratings are still higher when Woods is in contention.

[Whoa Nelly]

On a side note, when's the last time you guys looked up scores on the internet for the LPGA tour? I know I only do so when MW is in the field.I'm with you on this one... IMO MW is going to do to the LPGA like what TW did for golf. I really hope she finishes well this weekend.

[BlackholeGolfer]

Wie-sy is the most exciting thing to happen to the LPGA since Annika played Colonial...

She's going to own that tour and qualify for a men's major in the next 4 years. Then it'll be a whole new ball game.

[focal]

this is an awesome top four...tomorrow is going to be amazing and if they carry it to Sunday it's a ratings dream for the LPGA

Grace Park - my former fav
Anika
Wie
Creamer

[Bellyhungry]

this is an awesome top four...tomorrow is going to be amazing and if they carry it to Sunday it's a ratings dream for the LPGA

Grace Park - my former fav
Anika
Wie
Creamer
I really wish Morgan Pressel got a sponsor invite. For what it's worth, it will make for exciting weekend of golf.

I would also like to know the TV rating of this (I think it is on NBC) tourney vs. the Michelin Open at LV after this weekend.

[AnnikaFan]

i check lpga.com everyday!

hmm...looks like its gonna be an exciting weekend.

oo..nice to see grace getting back...

tho i remember last year..where she gave up 3 shot lead in the back nine and lost to annika..i remember grace blaming herself and saying that she's such a loser for choking..

i didn't like that attitude very much

[Golf 4 Fun]

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PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) -- For a 16-year-old girl, Michelle Wie knows plenty about the birds and bees.
In an awesome display of birdies that shot her into contention Friday with a career-best 65, Wie got a fortuitous ruling at Bighorn Golf Club by getting relief from a desert bush where a few dozen bees were hovering.

She wound up her entertaining afternoon at the Samsung World Championship two shots behind Grace Park, who recovered from a four-putt double bogey to shoot 6-under 66, her lowest score of the year.

Park, who was at 11-under 133, will be paired with Wie in the final group Saturday.

Annika Sorenstam bogeyed her final two holes for an even-par 71 and joined the group at 135 that included Wie and 19-year-old Paula Creamer.

Wie's tee shot on the par-4 15th lodged at the base of a Gold Lantana plant, and it appeared Wie would have to take a one-shot penalty for an unplayable lie. Instead, she recalled a rare golf tournament she watched on TV when a player got relief because of fire ants, and summoned rules official Jim Haley.

"They're just honey bees," Haley said when he stooped to inspect the situation.

"I got bit by a honey bee once," Wie replied, then under her breath muttered, "My foot got all swollen."

Haley gave her a free drop under the "Decisions of Golf," which allows for relief when "it is unreasonable to expect the player to play from such a dangerous situation" such as a rattlesnake or bees' nest.

Wie blasted out of the lie where green grass met desert sand, onto the green and escaped with a par.

She said she is allergic to bees, and later recounted a story from nap time in kindergarten when she rolled out her mat and wound up sleeping on a bee. She also said she was stung during an amateur event in Hawaii when she was 11.

"They seem to like me," Wie said.

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Sorenstam was six shots clear of Wie starting the day, but the Hawaii sensation wasted no time making up ground. She birdied three of the first five holes with crisp iron play, then turned a bogey into birdie on the par-5 seventh. Her 3-wood skirted along the edge of the bunkers and turned into another desert bush -- this one free of bees -- and she had to take an unplayable lie.
Facing a chip over 20 yards of bunker to a green that ran away from her, Wie hit a perfect flop that dropped into the cup for birdie. She followed that with a tee shot into 18 inches on the par-3 eighth, and despite missing a 5-foot birdie on the ninth, went out in 31.

Wie moved into a tie for the lead with a 9-iron into 3 feet on the 11th, and by reaching the 508-yard 12th hole in two for a two-putt birdie.

Then came the tee shot well to the right, into the desert on the 14th.

She stood over the bush with hands on hips when she summoned her caddie, Greg Johnston, and asked if bees constituted her same problem as a bed of fire ants. They called for a ruling, and Wie made her case.

"Michelle studies the 'Decision of Golf.' We look at odd rulings," said her father, B.J. Wie.

This one is so odd that it falls under Rule 1-4: "Points Not Covered by the Rules." In these cases, the decision is to be made "in accordance with equity."

Whether it was the proper ruling -- and it was Haley's call -- Wie showed some savvy by looking for a loophole in the sometimes harsh world of golf rules.

"She did all the talking," Johnston said. "I thought that was good for to learn it."

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(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[Grass Roots Tour]

Just saw on the golf channel, Michelle hit 10.5 fairways today.

Can someone please explain to me how you hit 1/2 a fairway?

This was not an average, it was listed with her GIR stat of 14, I think, GIR's and 10.5 fairways. WTF.

[AnnikaFan]

maybe the ball landed just on the line where the fairway turns into 1st cut ?? lol..i dunno

[Flogger]

I would love to see Wie win in this field. The LPGA is getting better and better.

Did you folks see Annika give that rules official a hard time? Man, that was a classic.

[Ems]

I think it's exciting that MW is making such an impact in LPGA, I hope the other players don't resent her for it, it's better for everyone in the long run.

I'm cheering for her all the way!

[Ego Woods]

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PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) -- For a 16-year-old girl, Michelle Wie knows plenty about the birds and bees.
In an awesome display of birdies that shot her into contention Friday with a career-best 65, Wie got a fortuitous ruling at Bighorn Golf Club by getting relief from a desert bush where a few dozen bees were hovering.
......

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
haha, this is precious. Credit for her for analyzing the rules of golf and using it to her advantage in this case.

She sounded like a lawyer. :D

[Golfbum]

I would love to see Wie win in this field. The LPGA is getting better and better.

Did you folks see Annika give that rules official a hard time? Man, that was a classic.
Annika was jawing that rules official:rofl: She was working him over hard but he stood his ground and made the correct ruling. It was classic all right!

[iyell4]

i hope Ji Eun Park wins this event. she's overdue.
but holy smokes, :eek: what a year that creamer is having right up there in the $-list behind everyone's fave, annika.

[TourIQ]

Is it just me or does anyone else think she should not be in this event?Hi Greywolf

[[Limited to major champions and players at the top of the money list. Wie got in thru a sponsor's exemption.]]

If that is the case, then a big F_A_T NO she shouldn't be in the field. There should be no sponsor's exemptions. If I was 1st Alternate I would be pissed.

I hope Grace Park wins the event this weekend. A very classy lady.
I want Michelle to win down the road, but not this week.

[rockwalls]

Just saw on the golf channel, Michelle hit 10.5 fairways today.

Can someone please explain to me how you hit 1/2 a fairway?

This was not an average, it was listed with her GIR stat of 14, I think, GIR's and 10.5 fairways. WTF.
hahaha!:rofl: GRT, what this stat probably means is that the ball landed in the skinny rough bisecting 2 fairways or half the ball is in the short grass and the other half in the rough!! beats me too!:D

[Greywolf]

Hi Greywolf

[[Limited to major champions and players at the top of the money list. Wie got in thru a sponsor's exemption.]]

If that is the case, then a big F_A_T NO she shouldn't be in the field. There should be no sponsor's exemptions. If I was 1st Alternate I would be pissed.

I hope Grace Park wins the event this weekend. A very classy lady.
I want Michelle to win down the road, but not this week.

I believe that Julie Inkster was the next on the list to get in, I wonder if she is mad! I would also like to see Grace Park win this one, she has had some health issues this year, it would be good to finish off a poor year with a good result.

[EDSGolf]

Wie's got game! Hopefully this is on TV this weekend!

[AnnikaFan]

watching on TV now..NBC :D

uh oh..michelle already +3 in 4 holes...
meanwhile..Annika -3 in 4 holes :D

[Golfbum]

watching on TV now..NBC :D

uh oh..michelle already +3 in 4 holes...
meanwhile..Annika -3 in 4 holes :D
I think Miss Annika is trying to show Miss Wie that even thought Wie got the big bucks when she turned Pro, Annika has the BIG GAME!:)

[TourIQ]

I believe that Julie Inkster was the next on the list to get in, I wonder if she is mad! I would also like to see Grace Park win this one, she has had some health issues this year, it would be good to finish off a poor year with a good result.
Hi Greywolf

Its also reported that BJ Wie snatched Julie Inkster's caddie from her, without first approaching her on this. I guess Julie has a lot not to like about recent events.

[AnnikaFan]

uh oh...grace is in major trouble right now

[Golfbum]

Hi Greywolf

Its also reported that BJ Wie snatched Julie Inkster's caddie from her, without first approaching her on this. I guess Julie has a lot not to like about recent events.Julie Inkster should be HACKED at what happened in this event. I don't understand the logic of the LPGA treating one of it's finer members, Major winner, 20th on this years LPGA Money List. PLUS she is one of the classiest ladies on the LPGA, a stalwart in the Solhiem Cups.
Yeah she has a few good reasons to be p*ssed at the LPGA and Samsung for allowing this to happen. She has been treated with disrespect this week.


You could argue that Morgan Pressell should be here, afterall she did win the U.S.G.A. 2005 WOMEN'S AMATEUR. But she had no OFFICIAL LPGA EARNINGS, hence she is not playing this event.

Hey don't get me wrong, I have all the respect for Michelle Wie and her game. But she has not earned her way into this event anymore than Pressell did. Where as Inkster did earn her way in and she is not there. Now unless Julie Inkster could not be there, (we do not know that for sure) then Carin Koch should be there (21st on the money list)

Little things like this will cause a lot of resenment towards Wie from LPGA members. Sure she will be good for the tour, IF SHE WINS. She has a lot of talent, but what big Amateur Events has she won?

Call me old fashioned but I think people need to earn the right to enter Tour Events.
Yes I know Sponsors have the right to invite who they want, and I am fine with that, but it should not take away a spot from someone who has earned the right to be there, whether it be a LPGA, PGA, Nationwide or any Pro event.

[AnnikaFan]

i agree..

tho...putting myself in Wie's position...it's going to very hard to refuse the exemption...being able to play her pro debut at a tournament that only features the best of the best for the year....being able to earn money without the pressure of missing cuts at the debut...pretty tempting..i must say..

but yea, definately sucks for julie

quadriple bogey for Grace :eek:

[AnnikaFan]

:D:D

man..i'd give anything to meet annika in person :(

never felt anything like this towards an athlete/celebrity...closest ever was John Stockton of the Utah Jazz...but it's not even close compared with annika..

right now i'm just obsessed....not..in..a..weird...sicko..way..:help:

[chiantibro]

Wiesy still in fourth, with a chance tomorrow, but Annika's too good of a front-runner to be seriously challenged. Still, I'll be watching.
Go Annika (for AnnikaFan)!

[iyell4]

i hope Ji Eun Park wins this event. she's overdue.
but holy smokes, :eek: what a year that creamer is having right up there in the $-list behind everyone's fave, annika.
sad to see her slip to 8 strokes back going into the final round.
(what happened to her and Kane today? 76?:eek: )

It's kinda hard to imagine queen annika relinquishing a 4 stroke lead on sunday!

.

[AnnikaFan]

yea..grace got a quadriple on a par 3...i watched it..it was brutal..
she hit her tee shot into the rocky/bushy hill..her first attempt to get it out missed the ball and hit the rocks behind it....the 2nd attempt hit the ball 4 feet forward and lodged under a bush...she has no shot...so has to pick up her ball and goes way back on the the fairway of another hole and hit it from there....and then 2 putted..

[mikemakeitso]

Call me old fashioned but I think people need to earn the right to enter Tour Events.
Yes I know Sponsors have the right to invite who they want, and I am fine with that, but it should not take away a spot from someone who has earned the right to be there, whether it be a LPGA, PGA, Nationwide or any Pro event.
Although I like Wie alot, I feel this way as well. She would earn much more respect if she qualified for these tour events like everyone else.

[iyell4]

one can also argue that she is doing good for the game of golf by accepting the invitation, creating more interest in this event (and golf generally).






why the invitation in the first place?
for the media stakeholder$ (sponsors, advertisers, etc) it is clear to them that the field would draw more attention to the event with wie in the field than inkster. ... and again the might $ rules!

[milhaus]

Did I not see that Wie would have been 12th on the money list, had she been paid over the course of this LPGA season? If this is the case, I don't see why she shouldn't be playing . . . Regardless, a sponsor's exemption is just that - there's no sense debating that. They're there so that the sponsor can put in whoever will bring more media attention to the event. I'm sure Daly - and many others - has benefitted from his share of these during his crappy years, and nobody complained then.

[Greywolf]

Annika is way out in front now, nobody will catch her in the final round.

[AnnikaFan]

oh man, another delay..

arg..

i guess that's somewhat good...now i can finally concentrate on studying for my midterm :P

woot! 9 shot lead!

[iyell4]

oh man, another delay..

arg..

i guess that's somewhat good...now i can finally concentrate on studying for my midterm :P

woot! 9 shot lead!
the only thing i can think that might stop annika from tying mr.hogan for career wins is if she were to be disqualified for, say, signing an erroneous scorecard or having a non-conforming club in her bag?

... but that NEVER happens in professional golf.

[DavidY]

the only thing i can think that might stop annika from tying mr.hogan for career wins is if she were to be disqualified for, say, signing an erroneous scorecard or having a non-conforming club in her bag?

... but that NEVER happens in professional golf. Kevin Stadler just got DQ today for having a non-conforming club in his bag....and he was in the second to last group today, hoping for a decent payday and then getting into the Top 125 rankings. His current rank is like in the 160's or 170's.

Dave

[westbeach]

Kevin Stadler just got DQ today for having a non-conforming club in his bag....and he was in the second to last group today, hoping for a decent payday and then getting into the Top 125 rankings. His current rank is like in the 160's or 170's.

Dave
I heard it was cuz the shaft on his wedge was bent.

[Big Shooter]

Kevin Stadler just got DQ today for having a non-conforming club in his bag....and he was in the second to last group today, hoping for a decent payday and then getting into the Top 125 rankings. His current rank is like in the 160's or 170's.

Dave
Oh yah, you think that's off-topic, how about this...

Dave Barr CHOKED today!!:cool: :rolleyes:

[AnnikaFan]

wooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Annika Wins! 9 shot lead (-19) over Paula Creamer (-10). Michelle Wie finished at -8 for fourth!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good showing by wie and creamer..two young guns...but still...Annika didn't let michelle to overshadow her and used her clubs to do all the talking..

:D:D:D

man..Jim Furyk choked on 2nd playoff hole by putting the ball in the water..

sucks..kinda wish he wins too..but congrats to the winner..

[Big Shooter]

wooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Annika Wins! 9 shot lead (-19) over Paula Creamer (-10). Michelle Wie finished at -8 for fourth!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good showing by wie and creamer..two young guns...but still...Annika didn't let michelle to overshadow her and used her clubs to do all the talking..

:D:D:D

man..Jim Furyk choked on 2nd playoff hole by putting the ball in the water..

sucks..kinda wish he wins too..but congrats to the winner..
Congrats to Annika, she really know how to put the pedal-to-the-metal

as for Jim Furyk, yep he choked, but he's Sooooo Boring to watch, not that Ted Purdy is terribly exciting!

wooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Annika Wins! 9 shot lead (-19) over Paula Creamer (-10). Michelle Wie finished at -8 for fourth!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good showing by wie and creamer..two young guns...but still...Annika didn't let michelle to overshadow her and used her clubs to do all the talking..

:D:D:D

man..Jim Furyk choked on 2nd playoff hole by putting the ball in the water..

sucks..kinda wish he wins too..but congrats to the winner..
Congrats to Annika, she really knows how to put the 'pedal-to-the-metal'

as for Jim Furyk, yep he choked, but he's Sooooo Boring to watch, not that Ted Purdy is terribly exciteable either!

[milhaus]

I heard it was cuz the shaft on his wedge was bent.What the f$%#? He called it on himself? At 167th in cash? Good lord. Clearly, I'm not made of the same moral material than golfers are (at least David Toms and Kevin Stadler - excluding Tiger and Steve Williams ;-))

[DavidY]

TSN has reported that Michelle Wie has been DQed because of a bad drop in the third round. Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. So glad that the LPGA is so decisive and prompt in their actions. :mad:

Dave

[el tigre]

as for Jim Furyk, yep he choked, but he's Sooooo Boring to watch, not that Ted Purdy is terribly exciting! Yeah, right. Furyk shot 65 in the final round to come from 4 shots back (including 2 eagles) and force a playoff. What a choker!

Man, I wish I was that boring!

[AnnikaFan]

TSN has reported that Michelle Wie has been DQed because of a bad drop in the third round. Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. So glad that the LPGA is so decisive and prompt in their actions. :mad:

Dave
woah............are you serious?!?!

[Mule56]

TSN has reported that Michelle Wie has been DQed because of a bad drop in the third round. Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. So glad that the LPGA is so decisive and prompt in their actions. :mad:

DaveLPGA didn't catch it. Armchair golfer called it it. LPGA had to review the tapes from yesterday.
Mule.

[AnnikaFan]

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15104&select=17847
to read about wie's disqualification

why am i reading that annika bogeyed the last in some sources..while other sources said she double bogeyed...so confused..i hope she signed the right score then..

[westbeach]

WOW....betcha there's gonna be a boycott of SI by the Wie camp.

[Mok]

TSN has reported that Michelle Wie has been DQed because of a bad drop in the third round. Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. So glad that the LPGA is so decisive and prompt in their actions. :mad:

Dave
I wonder if the officials knew about the violation but let Wie play the 4th round so that she can draw publicity for the tournament, I mean, I bet a lot less viewers would have tuned into NBC Sunday afternoon if Wie was DQ'd Saturday night.

[Ems]

aw, i feel so bad for her. that must be devastating, but a good lesson to learn now than later. Doesn't sound like she cheated to me though, but was an honest mistake

[Big Shooter]

The problem with Golf is....

...silly rules...in fact too many rules...

...kinda why I don't play for $$$!!!:mad: :( :$ :hush:

Scoring well, is HARD ENOUGH!!

[iyell4]

I wonder if the officials knew about the violation but let Wie play the 4th round so that she can draw publicity for the tournament, I mean, I bet a lot less viewers would have tuned into NBC Sunday afternoon if Wie was DQ'd Saturday night.*BINGO* ... step back look and see ... the truth is where/how the $ flows.:)

Wie, Michelle (http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=19220&select=21888&select2=7488) DQ70657174 not that shootin' 74 on Sunday was gonna move her up the leaderboard anyways.:(

oh yeah, off topic but ... congrats to Annika (and A-fan) joining Mickey Wright as the only players to win the same tournament five times* since the LPGA Tour began in 1950 and clinching the LPGA Tour money title.

*Incredible!

[noback]

Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. Apparently the guy from SI wasnt sure who to bring it up to or if he should even bring it up at all. He used to be a caddy in the pga and other tours, so he asked his editor, and was told to ask an official and it went from there. He thought the MW went through the motions kinda quick and didnt do it properly. He went out 2 times and measured it himself before telling an official. At least this time it wasnt someone sitting at home calling it in from 2000 miles away. This guy was right behind her. If you saw the replays he was wearing the white shorts and pink shirt.:cool:

[EDSGolf]

Good luck to SI getting interviews with her....will SI put her on their next cover "MW DQ'ed!" I feel bad for her, video was inconclusive....they had to use string....some will say the old boys club are out to get her!

[Bellyhungry]

Don't you think the caddy should have alerted her? He was Julie Inkster's caddy before. He ought to have known better because of his experience.

Same goes for Kevin Stadler's caddy - how could he not have inspected the wedge before round. That is an automatic routine for every caddy among other things.

I think both Stadler and Wie's caddies probably should be fired.

[Ego Woods]

In the end it's up to the players to make sure they observe all the rules of golf. I believe in Kevin's case, the caddy was partly to blame since he's the one that does the bag check (I believe?).

In Michelle's case, it was more her fault. Considering she used a ruling in her favour earlier in the tournament, this is a case where the rules come back to bite her. :D Not a great way to start her pro career, but I believe she was very professional in the way she handled herself after she was DQ'd.

[Bellyhungry]

This goes with the age-old argument that good players are always under the spotlight because they are always on TV and under more scrutinies.

Maybe this will make her mad and give her more motivation to make it to the PGA and leave the LPGA behind. Then LPGA can stay in their own little world after they killed the goose which will lay the golden eggs for them (like what Tiger did to the PGA).

[el tigre]

Maybe this will make her mad and give her more motivation to make it to the PGA and leave the LPGA behind. Then LPGA can stay in their own little world after they killed the goose which will lay the golden eggs for them (like what Tiger did to the PGA). Not sure where you are coming from here.

The rules are just as strictly enforced on the PGA (if not more so), so the ruling would have been the same if this was a PGA event. And there would be even more scrutiny there.

[Bellyhungry]

Not sure where you are coming from here.
The rules are just as strictly enforced on the PGA (if not more so), so the ruling would have been the same if this was a PGA event. And there would be even more scrutiny there.
The Tiger rule...Like in the PGA Championship...

[noback]

, but I believe she was very professional in the way she handled herself after she was DQ'd.I heard she acted like a 16 year when initially told then acted more professional after the initial shock wore off. Besides who cares about the %52 grand. She doesnt need to play golf to make money. They already set her up for life no matter what she does. :(

This goes with the age-old argument that good players are always under the spotlight because they are always on TV and under more scrutinies.
Sorry but the video was inconclusive. It was someone standing right ther in the gallery. She should have known better.:nono:

As for Stadler's wedge, does anyone know if he may have bent it with a prior shot?:confused:

[westbeach]

Was this the same rules official who got into a heated debate with Annika on Friday? If MW can bounce back like Annika after this, MW will be doing just fine.

[AnnikaFan]

yea..it was the same one..Robert O.

man..i wish i can see a clip of annika arguing..hehehe

[Da Grape]

Was this the same rules official who got into a heated debate with Annika on Friday? If MW can bounce back like Annika after this, MW will be doing just fine.
No question Wie got talent, 16 yr old placing 4th beating a long list of good players who had much more experience. She's definitely good for the tour, I'm sure she will bounce back.

[Bellyhungry]

yea..it was the same one..Robert O.
man..i wish i can see a clip of annika arguing..hehehe
After seeing it on TV, I think Annika should have gotten full relief rather than partial relief from the scoreboard.

[Just hit it]

This really is unfortunate for MW. It also begs the question what is the statute of limitations regarding infractions? Really the third round was over and she signed and the officials accepted her card. Could you now scrutenize video from any tourney and if you find and infraction call it in???? :hush:

[boo1]

This really is unfortunate for MW. It also begs the question what is the statute of limitations regarding infractions? Really the third round was over and she signed and the officials accepted her card. Could you now scrutenize video from any tourney and if you find and infraction call it in???? :hush: I can't agree more. If a penalty is assessed AFTER the card is signed the player should have the right to adjust her card accordingly and sign the corrected version. Let's face it, the rule broken is a two shot penalty, not a DQ.

[noback]

After seeing it on TV, I think Annika should have gotten full relief rather than partial relief from the scoreboard.It was "line of sight" only situation and they made the right decision on that one TOO. Annika did put up a very verbal argument form what I heard.:eek:

[Bellyhungry]

It was "line of sight" only situation and they made the right decision on that one TOO. Annika did put up a very verbal argument form what I heard.:eek:
I don't doubt the rule official was right. But line of sight is always arguable.

[el tigre]

This really is unfortunate for MW. It also begs the question what is the statute of limitations regarding infractions? Really the third round was over and she signed and the officials accepted her card. Could you now scrutenize video from any tourney and if you find and infraction call it in???? :hush:Yes, there is a statute of limitations on infractions:

34-1. Claims and Penalties
b. Stroke Play
In stroke play, a penalty must not be rescinded, modified or imposed after the competition has closed. A competition is closed when the result has been officially announced or, in stroke-play qualifying followed by match play, when the player has teed off in his first match.

The DQ was applied in the correct time frame.

Personally, I question the motives of the reporter. He could have said something at the time, and Wie would be able to redrop without penalty. He could have reported it during the third round, and the officials could have made a ruling BEFORE she signed her scorecard on Saturday, which would only cost her 2 strokes. But obviously a DQ in her first round as a pro is a MUCH bigger story, so...

[Bellyhungry]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/golf/10/17/wie.dq/tx_wie3.jpg

Yes, there is a statute of limitations on infractions:

Personally, I question the motives of the reporter. He could have said something at the time, and Wie would be able to redrop without penalty. He could have reported it during the third round, and the officials could have made a ruling BEFORE she signed her scorecard on Saturday, which would only cost her 2 strokes. But obviously a DQ in her first round as a pro is a MUCH bigger story, so...I agree with you. A lot of reporters have huge egos, and they want to be part of the story rather than reporting it.

Jim Rome is one such 'journalists' that comes to mind.

[EDSGolf]

Unfortunetely or fortunately, this just more press for MW which is always good!

[iyell4]

the only worse than people talkin' 'bout you is people NOT talkin' 'bout you.
any media exposure is good.

[jmc13golf]

But why do I keep feeling that all this info was "suppressed" in order to help NBC ratings on Sunday?

[Rocknronny]

But why do I keep feeling that all this info was "suppressed" in order to help NBC ratings on Sunday?yes....:nono:

[Focker Singh]

Apparently the guy from SI wasnt sure who to bring it up to or if he should even bring it up at all. He used to be a caddy in the pga and other tours, so he asked his editor, and was told to ask an official and it went from there. He thought the MW went through the motions kinda quick and didnt do it properly. He went out 2 times and measured it himself before telling an official. At least this time it wasnt someone sitting at home calling it in from 2000 miles away. This guy was right behind her. If you saw the replays he was wearing the white shorts and pink shirt.:cool:
This one really blows my mind. I know its not the first time this has happened but why does the PGA and LPGA continue to have the public or anyone outside the officials on course to report rule infractions??? AND why do they make rulings AFTER the round is over? Why not make a time limit such as, "last scorecard of the day to be turned in or 11:59pm the day of the tournament" so that players don't get screwed like this in the future?

This idiot from SI realizes Wie broke a rule and reports it 24 hrs later? Instead of calling in right away and thus making Wie lose only 2 strokes he calls in the day after and gets her DQ's because she's already signed her card. So instead of only losing a few thousand dollars, Wie makes zero now thanks to the stupid rules of the PGA and LPGA. I know the money isn't an issue with Wie but for another player it could be the difference from keeping their card or not for the next season.

I also realize that it is also Wie and her caddy's fault for not understanding the rules clearly but my point here is that the PGA and LPGA have a dumb system if they allow anyone to report any rule infractions outside the players or officials on course and also let them make it 24 hrs after the fact. What if someone called in next week and reported this? Would they then take the 4th place cheque of Wie's and say "sorry, you've been DQ'd for last weeks drop?".

I just can't believe that the PGA and LPGA are the only sports that allow non officials to make a phone call and potentially ruin an athletes outcome for a tournament or even the season. I'm just ticked...my 2 cents. :mad:

[Just hit it]

Imagine if fans could call penalties in other sport say football or hockey?

"That was offside ref - I was sitting at the blue line in the platinums saw the whole thing" ok boys lets bring that play back.

I understand that golf is supposed to be a self regulating sport where players call infractions on themselves and I imagine if you added up the players who penalized themselves vs the ones that were penalized the fomer would greatly outnumber the latter.

SI sucks anyway:mad:

[Ems]

I also realize that it is also Wie and her caddy's fault for not understanding the rules clearly but my point here is that the PGA and LPGA have a dumb system if they allow anyone to report any rule infractions outside the players or officials on course and also let them make it 24 hrs after the fact. What if someone called in next week and reported this? Would they then take the 4th place cheque of Wie's and say "sorry, you've been DQ'd for last weeks drop?".

I just can't believe that the PGA and LPGA are the only sports that allow non officials to make a phone call and potentially ruin an athletes outcome for a tournament or even the season. I'm just ticked...my 2 cents. :mad:
Reading your post, my blood's boiling thinking about it. It does seem extremely unfair and stupid that reporting the incident 24hrs later results in a DQ instead of two stroke penalty. That's just plain dumb and gives people who want to manipulate the situation the upper hand :mad: :mad: :mad:

whether or not that guy did it intentionally, i can completely sympathize with MW, it just isn't fair, to hell with the stupid rules. ARGH! :mad:

[Flogger]

Reading your post, my blood's boiling thinking about it. It does seem extremely unfair and stupid that reporting the incident 24hrs later results in a DQ instead of two stroke penalty. That's just plain dumb and gives people who want to manipulate the situation the upper hand :mad: :mad: :mad:

whether or not that guy did it intentionally, i can completely sympathize with MW, it just isn't fair, to hell with the stupid rules. ARGH! :mad:
Agreed! Stupid, stupid, stupid rule. And why they let "outsiders" officiate this game is completely beyond my comprehension.

[Carlton]

To clarify why Wie was DQed...

Unfortunately Wie had played a ball from the dropped position which was deemed closer to the hole by officials ie. playing from the wrong place which violates Rule 20-7. Penalty for that is 2 strokes.

Believing that she played the ball fairly, she did not record the 2stroke penalty when she signed her scorecard at the end of her round that day. Which means that the score she had on her signed scorecard was technically under by 2 strokes.

Rule 6 states that if a golfer signs their scorecard with a score lower than the actual score made, this results in immediate DQ.

Not that I think Wie would intentionally cheat (why would she? She took her penalty for unplayable lie) but I think they should not allow armchair officials to make calls. Everyone who's a fanatic of the sport thinks that they're the best official there is. Nothing wrong in that but I just don't think that they should be allowed to call penalties etc. in any professional sport. If you're not an official, shut the hell up.

You don't see them announcing a penalty during a hockey game 'cause Billy Bob just called in a hooking he just saw on the tele. Or Juan Montoya should be black flagged 'cause John Smith swears that half his tire was over the pit lane exit line.... gimme a freaking break.

The Sports Illustrated reporter who reported that call on Wie should be flogged. If you witness something, react immediately don't go home, have dinner and a shower, watch some tele, have a good night's sleep and then walk into the officials' tent the next afternoon and file the report. Speak up or shut up.

Golf is a game based highly on honour. You got guys like David Toms who called a DQ on himself for making a bad play. And was it Davis Love III who made a call on himself 'cause he addressed a putt and saw the ball move when nobody else saw it? No tour pro would want the stigma attached to them of being a cheat. Look how long it has followed Monty and Singh? Nobody forgets stuff like that esp. amongst their own peers.

Ack, this topic makes my blood boil. :mad:

[Mok]

Totally agree with the last few posts that golf needs to amend it's rules, pretty ridiculous that:

a non-official called the infraction
it was called after her 4th round was finished
this SI guy reports it the next day rather than immediately


The distant of the ball was so minor that they had to use string to measure whether the ball was closer to the hole or not, give Wie a break for goodness sake...

[TourIQ]

TSN has reported that Michelle Wie has been DQed because of a bad drop in the third round. Not sure why it took another day and a subsequent round to DQ her. So glad that the LPGA is so decisive and prompt in their actions. :mad:
Dave
Hi DavidY

Actually MW had two infractions during the drop
> 1 - ball closer to hole,
> 2 - arm lower than shoulder during the second drop

I personally blame the SI Reporter Bamberger for reporting it 30 hours after the fact. The event is not offically over until the final results are handed to the media, then its a done deal. Any further infractions that are reported cannot change the final outcome.

[noback]

Just think now how long a round will take when she needs to call an official over every time she is taking a drop. This is just great fopr golf. No more 5 hours rounds in professioanll golf. Bring on the 6 hour rounds. :rolleyes:

[noback]

You must catch the newest video on the MW DQ incedent. I just saw it twice on TGC and wow. :eek:

This isnt about SI's timing of reporting it or the why someone else can report it, it's just about how she did her drop. Watch the video, and see how her caddie points the spot, she takes one club length straight back. All good so far. Then takes her second club and actually just dropped it to her left, not even getting behind it to look. It seemed very quick to say the least. :confused:

[Bellyhungry]

I heard it in the FAN Wie's caddy was upset that the SI dude did not alert him during the infraction. Sine the SI reporter had caddied on various tours before, Wie's caddy expected the courtesy because one of the unwritten codes in the caddy community is to help each other out.

No one is disputing the infraction. People just disagree with the manner the incident was handled by the SI dude.
Now the question is: Would they televise Wie's next tournament - the Casio Open in Japan - in North America?

[Golfbum]

After seeing it on TV, I think Annika should have gotten full relief rather than partial relief from the scoreboard.
I watched that ruling while it was being aired live on TGC. Annika's arguement was the fact she could not hit a draw to the pin, since the scoreboard would still be in her way. The official stated she had a clear line of sight to the green, which she did when she took her drop. The rules give you that, they do not give you relief to hit a draw or a fade.
Problem I see here is the damn huge electronic scorebaords in the first place. Put them somewhere that they will not come into play, if at all possible.

[Bellyhungry]

I watched that ruling while it was being aired live on TGC. Annika's arguement was the fact she could not hit a draw to the pin, since the scoreboard would still be in her way. The official stated she had a clear line of sight to the green, which she did when she took her drop. The rules give you that, they do not give you relief to hit a draw or a fade.
Problem I see here is the damn huge electronic scorebaords in the first place. Put them somewhere that they will not come into play, if at all possible.
I really can not count how many times I saw on TV where 'line of sight' is not being enforced....

While we are on this topic, I figure golf is probably the most 'spectator-participation-welcomed' sport: they can report infractions and be the instant-replay guy, they can get hit by a ball and alter where the ball will land; they can kick the ball out to give a favorable break; they can help find lost balls, thus save a stroke for the golfer; they have golf rules written around them; in a good day, you might even get a body check from Steve Williams.

Imaigne your 10-year old go home and say 'Dad! I help (insert name here) win the tournament by stopping the ball from going OB!'

Golf is really spectator-friendly as long as you don't scream too loud.

PGA Tour: These Guys Are Good; And You Can Be Part Of It.

[el tigre]

Imagine if fans could call penalties in other sport say football or hockey?

"That was offside ref - I was sitting at the blue line in the platinums saw the whole thing" ok boys lets bring that play back.

I understand that golf is supposed to be a self regulating sport where players call infractions on themselves and I imagine if you added up the players who penalized themselves vs the ones that were penalized the fomer would greatly outnumber the latter.

SI sucks anyway:mad: Penalties in other sports require JUDGEMENT calls made by a referee, who uses their discretion to decide if an action is against the rules or not. I am a referee and I can tell you that there is definately a "grey area" around what is or is not holding, hooking, interference, etc. It is widely known that each umpire's "strike zone" is slightly different. Most players are fine with that as long as the official is consistent throughout the game.

Very few infractions in golf require a judgement call. The ball is either closer to the hole or it isn't. You can take out a ruler and measure it if you're not sure. The facts are generally known and self-evident, and rules officials are simply there to apply the rules based on their knowledge and experience. If the rules official doesn't see something, other competitors, caddies and yes even spectators are allowed to bring FACTS to the official's attention and he can investigate the matter.

It is worth noting that the reporter did not "make the call". He brought the incident to the official's attention, and the official went to the area in question with Michelle and her caddie and Michelle showed him where the original ball was and where she dropped. IOW, Michelle incriminated herself. In any other sport the player would have lied, because the culture in every other sport is such that it is not a penalty if you don't get caught by the referee. Golf works differently.

[DavidY]

It is worth noting that the reporter did not "make the call". He brought the incident to the official's attention, and the official went to the area in question with Michelle and her caddie and Michelle showed him where the original ball was and where she dropped. IOW, Michelle incriminated herself. In any other sport the player would have lied, because the culture in every other sport is such that it is not a penalty if you don't get caught by the referee. Golf works differently.
I still surprised that NO ONE besides the SI guy noted either of Wie's transgressions (closer to the hole and poor drop technique since arm wasn't exactly at shoulder level). I mean that she was under the spotlight big time by the media and fans.

Dave

[iyell4]

I still surprised that NO ONE besides the SI guy noted either of Wie's transgressions (closer to the hole and poor drop technique since arm wasn't exactly at shoulder level). I mean that she was under the spotlight big time by the media and fans.

Dave
any have a link to a .mpeg of the infamous 'poor drop technique'?
who actually measured the angle her arm made with her body?

[Ego Woods]

It is worth noting that the reporter did not "make the call". He brought the incident to the official's attention, and the official went to the area in question with Michelle and her caddie and Michelle showed him where the original ball was and where she dropped. IOW, Michelle incriminated herself. In any other sport the player would have lied, because the culture in every other sport is such that it is not a penalty if you don't get caught by the referee. Golf works differently.
Amazing how a simple observer has the power to influence an official to actually address the incident.

Then why can this happen in golf and not any other sport?

hmmmmmmmmm something's just not right about this. :confused:

[duffer_devon]

You watch and see if this changes the way the LPGA & PGA Tour handles rules infractions. With all the media attention, I will be surprised if it is not changed in some way.

It is a joke that a spectator, reporter, viewer can call an official the NEXT day to report a rules infraction.

If its not called the same day it shouldn't count. You won't see Tie domi telling a ref, by the way, last game Mats was slashed by Alfredson and Alfredson getting the penalty while playing Philly the next night.

Or, if a rules violation is noted, the player should be able to resign their scorecard with the corrected score and it should still count.

Or have 18 rules officials, one for each hole. Any drop, penalty stroke must have a rules official present and take the player out of the equation all together.

Somebody send this to Votaw and Finchem.

[Just hit it]

Just think now how long a round will take when she needs to call an official over every time she is taking a drop. This is just great fopr golf. No more 5 hours rounds in professioanll golf. Bring on the 6 hour rounds. :rolleyes:
I agree, at least for the first while nobody will risk dropping on their own. I guess we'll have to wait and see...

[Ego Woods]

Pros weigh in their thoughts on Wie's incident:

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=17863

[AnnikaFan]

what suck about all this that...even after Annika schooled the rest of the field by 8 shots (11shots over Michelle).her 8th win this year.. and won her 64th tournament (tying Ben Hogan)...clinched the LPGA money title, secured her 8th player of the year award.....and tied Kathy Whitworth's record of winning the same tournament 5 times......she is STILL overshadowed by Michelle....

Annika is simply a footnote of the championship..-TGC

[Golfbum]

what suck about all this that...even after Annika schooled the rest of the field by 8 shots (11shots over Michelle).her 8th win this year.. and won her 64th tournament (tying Ben Hogan)...clinched the LPGA money title, secured her 8th player of the year award.....and tied Kathy Whitworth's record of winning the same tournament 5 times......she is STILL overshadowed by Michelle....

Annika is simply a footnote of the championship..-TGCCouldn't agree with you more on this AnnikaFan. Why is it that one of the greatest women golfers, one of the best professional golfers of the past 3 years is being forgotten in this mess?
Wie made a bad drop, plain and simple. She broke the rules of golf. Yes it should have been reported before she signed her card, but it was not and she was DQ'd. It was also reported that in two other drops she actually did not drop the ball in the proper manner. Arm held straight out at shoulder length, she had her arm drooped down.:nono:


Get over it people. ANNIKA WON, SHE IS SIMPLY THE BEST WOMAN GOLFER IN THE WORLD, GIVE HER SOME RESPECT!

[iyell4]

oh yeah, off topic but ... congrats to Annika (and A-fan) joining Mickey Wright as the only players to win the same tournament five times* since the LPGA Tour began in 1950 and clinching the LPGA Tour money title.

*Incredible!
... buried in the mud, post#68 of this thread ... re-published for your enjoyment A-fan!:)

[Bellyhungry]

Annika is the greatest female golfer in history. PERIOD. She accomplished all this in a relatively short period of time - 12 years, that is pretty spectacular.

She will be appreciated more by the future generations when they look back in history to see how dominant she is.

[Focker Singh]

The distant of the ball was so minor that they had to use string to measure whether the ball was closer to the hole or not, give Wie a break for goodness sake...
I have to disagree to this, Wie broke the rules, simple as that. She deserved being penalized. I am not defending Wie and saying she did not break any rules, I am rather upset that the outcome of a player can be determined by an outsider who calls in 24hrs after the fact.

[TourIQ]

any have a link to a .mpeg of the infamous 'poor drop technique'?
who actually measured the angle her arm made with her body?
Hi iyell4

The arm angle below level is pretty obvious when you see it on video on tv.

[noback]

Annika is the greatest female golfer in history. PERIOD. She accomplished all this in a relatively short period of time - 12 years, that is pretty spectacular.

She will be appreciated more by the future generations when they look back in history to see how dominant she is.Ohhhhhhhh nooooo here we go again.:rolleyes:

[iyell4]

Hi iyell4

The arm angle below level is pretty obvious when you see it on video on tv.
yup. see the pic now on front page of thegolfchannel.com

[el tigre]

Hi iyell4

The arm angle below level is pretty obvious when you see it on video on tv. The DQ had absolutely nothing to do with her drop technique. It was solely based on the drop location.

Video angles can be notoriously deceiving. I'm not saying her drop was OK, but the arm angle shown on TGC is waaay too close to call based on video evidence only. Since you can't measure that "after the fact", the video evidence would have to be completely incontravertable. It isn't.

[TourIQ]

The DQ had absolutely nothing to do with her drop technique. It was solely based on the drop location.

Video angles can be notoriously deceiving. I'm not saying her drop was OK, but the arm angle shown on TGC is waaay too close to call based on video evidence only. Since you can't measure that "after the fact", the video evidence would have to be completely incontravertable. It isn't.Hi el tigre

I seen the video on TV a few times from a couple of different angles. One angle was dead on, not as subjective as the posted picture that is floating on the net.

It is more cut-and-dry that the drop was illegal based on the available video footage, rather than using a string to measure distances of 70 yards. That to me is a crock. You could never repeat the measurement system using string with any degree of statistical certainy. The drop was illegal but not what was called on for the DQ.

http://www.golfweek.com/ourtake/284508440109520.php

[iyell4]

Harry, we need you down there to do a gage R&R , er ... stat!!! :)

[Bellyhungry]

Heard in the Grey Goose show last night, the Steve Duemig guy mentioned that it was the fault of Wie's playing partner, Grace Park. She is supposed to 'protect the rest of the field' by alerting to officials or Wie of any infractions.

Seeing how well put together Grace Park was. She was probably busy getting her face powdered and her make-up touched up in between shots, I do not expect her to pay attention to Wie.

[iyell4]

Seeing how well put together Grace Park was. .., I do not expect her to pay attention to Wie.
no disputin' that call ... she is well put-together.:)


back on topic ... shouldn't we also hold Park's caddy accountable too?

[AnnikaFan]

i heard that Wie told Grace to go ahead and hit her ball while wie was deciding what to do...

[Bellyhungry]

i heard that Wie told Grace to go ahead and hit her ball while wie was deciding what to do...
I saw Grace being interviewed before. She came across as a bit 'ditzy' valley girl kind of deal. She is obviously a different person on the golf course for all that she has accomplished so far.

She was the It Girl for Nike before they signed Wie. Wonder if she will demand to have her contract renegotiated....

[Grass Roots Tour]

Last year Grace told reporters she wanted a boyfriend for Christmas. I think we should send our local representative from TGN to woo her.
Since Swain is off the market we should send Flakes.

[Bellyhungry]

Last year Grace told reporters she wanted a boyfriend for Christmas. I think we should send our local representative from TGN to woo her.
Since Swain is off the market we should send Flakes.
Grace wanna be stuffed...ahemmmm....sorry....I meant she wanted a stuffed turkey for xMas...

[TourIQ]

Harry, we need you down there to do a gage R&R , er ... stat!!! :)
Hi iyell4

Yes GRR Studies. In the old days we had to crunch the math by hand.
Actually I just finished my 2nd week of Six Sigma Black Belt training.
This is my 3rd time taking the training. I guess I am just a slow learner.
Actually I'll be the Master BB to a few of the BB's who are being trained.

Yes it would be neat to do a GRR using string from 50 to 150 yards out.
My quarter says it would never pass. Of course I would use 3 different
Rules Officials.

Maybe if we do the study, prove a poor GRR, have MW reinstated at 4th,
she gives us the purse to split 50:50. That would be an easy 1 day of work.

[Ems]

Seeing how well put together Grace Park was. She was probably busy getting her face powdered and her make-up touched up in between shots, I do not expect her to pay attention to Wie.
Not sure why being good looking would imply that she was incompetent...

[Bellyhungry]

Not sure why being good looking would imply that she was incompetent...
Not saying she is incompetent. Far from it: Grace was and is a winner both in her college days and her pro career. I was just pointing out that among her priorities on the golf course, 'protecting the field' might be way down the list.

[iyell4]

Not saying she is incompetent. Far from it: Grace was and is a winner both in her college days and her pro career. I was just pointing out that among her priorities on the golf course, 'protecting the field' might be way down the list.
so you question not her skill but rather her integrity.:confused:

Maybe if we do the study, prove a poor GRR, have MW reinstated at 4th,
she gives us the purse to split 50:50. That would be an easy 1 day of work.
TourIQ, I like where you're going with this ... soooo many variables ... string tension, string elasticity, demarkation of drop point and starting point, contour of ground ... and the delta was 3"?!?!?! ... I'm sure LPGA would accept and thoughtfully consider any viewer 'suggestions' with no statute of limitations. :)