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Bluefan75
Mar 10, 2009, 02:54 PM
There was a recent thread that linked me to another one, and a post elsewhere reminded me about the topic.

Anyway, what was posted here was a guy who worked at a course, who ripped on people who tee off early, play "too fast" on the front, and complain about people being sent off the back nine and running up to them. His thought was that they were faster than their expected time, so tough luck.

I would argue that I don't get up super early to tee off first to run into people and have them hold things up. That if I wanted people in front of me, I would have booked an 8:30 tee time.

I guess I'm just really jonesing for the courses to open, and coming up with just about anything, but what are your guys' thoughts on that?

cldale
Mar 10, 2009, 03:09 PM
He must be playing awfully fast or the course is really pushing the times they are letting people off the back9.

This seems like something that shouldn't happen though. If I play a sunrise 9 off the back, it generally means I am myself tight for time, so I am probably playing quick as I can.

There was a recent thread that linked me to another one, and a post elsewhere reminded me about the topic.

Anyway, what was posted here was a guy who worked at a course, who ripped on people who tee off early, play "too fast" on the front, and complain about people being sent off the back nine and running up to them. His thought was that they were faster than their expected time, so tough luck.

I would argue that I don't get up super early to tee off first to run into people and have them hold things up. That if I wanted people in front of me, I would have booked an 8:30 tee time.

I guess I'm just really jonesing for the courses to open, and coming up with just about anything, but what are your guys' thoughts on that?

Qball
Mar 10, 2009, 03:11 PM
I agree with you Blue, if I have dragged my sorry carcus out of bed to make that first tee time, other than the course maintenance and greenskeeper, I don't want to see anyone! Usually if I have booked that time I am doing it becauseI have a limited time to get my round in and know that if I try to push it I won't be able to complete my round!

just my .02

Q

slider
Mar 10, 2009, 06:29 PM
I agree with you Blue, if I have dragged my sorry carcus out of bed to make that first tee time, other than the course maintenance and greenskeeper, I don't want to see anyone! Usually if I have booked that time I am doing it becauseI have a limited time to get my round in and know that if I try to push it I won't be able to complete my round!

just my .02

Q

It is pruely an economic issue with the clubs. The faster they can fill the golf course the more people it holds over the course of the day.

Personally, I hate it. I have always waited on the turn no matter when I tee off and I literally get teed off.

Bellyhungry
Mar 10, 2009, 06:34 PM
I don't like it if I have to wait at the turn, but I understand why golf courses do it, and won't lose sleep over it.

whopgolf
Mar 10, 2009, 06:37 PM
If its me - YES
If its other people - NO

Richard
Mar 10, 2009, 06:43 PM
I don't like it if I have to wait at the turn, but I understand why golf courses do it, and won't lose sleep over it.

*** +1

bobby Jones
Mar 10, 2009, 06:50 PM
Last year at Legends in Myrtle, we booked our getaway round early so we could play and fly out. When we arrived at the proshop we were told there was a crossover. My friend and I aren't wickedly fast players but I guess with a cart early in the morning we can pick it up. We got to number seven and decided to see how far back we could go before we came close to anyone behind us. We went back three holes where we still had a hole in between and replayed them. We went and played 8 and 9 twice. When we got to number ten we were still the third group in line! I think we played two holes got in our 18...sort of...then decided to go catch our flight.

It was a little infuriating for a Sunday morning at a resort course to do that especially when it seemed they hadn't filled up the front nine. If it happens again and I see no one right behind us on the first tee, I will go 1,1 2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6......

bobby

LowPost42
Mar 10, 2009, 07:51 PM
I'm OK with it as long as they have some idea on if I'm gonna be held up. Like has been said, if I'm out stupid early already, I expect to speed around.

The only other caveat is that, if I understand the rules correctly, starting on the back 9 means you aren't playing a 'stipulated round'.

Leftygolfer30
Mar 10, 2009, 08:07 PM
I'm OK with it as long as they have some idea on if I'm gonna be held up. Like has been said, if I'm out stupid early already, I expect to speed around.

The only other caveat is that, if I understand the rules correctly, starting on the back 9 means you aren't playing a 'stipulated round'.

I'm no rules official but I don't see how that would be true. PGA tournaments routinely have groups tee off 1 and 10 all the time. I'm pretty sure the first two rounds of most tournaments is done this way.

sharkhark
Mar 10, 2009, 08:13 PM
I'm no rules official but I don't see how that would be true. PGA tournaments routinely have groups tee off 1 and 10 all the time. I'm pretty sure the first two rounds of most tournaments is done this way.
Yep, they do that all the time. Especially useful when bad weather comes and they for the most part get around without big backlogs.
ps speaking of bad weather...make sure you batten down the hatches tomorrow...50km/hr winds..

Onin3
Mar 10, 2009, 08:19 PM
Your looking for things to complain about already? :rofl:
I understand there will be people out there in 2009 playing some of them will be within your eyesight.

There was a recent thread that linked me to another one, and a post elsewhere reminded me about the topic.

Anyway, what was posted here was a guy who worked at a course, who ripped on people who tee off early, play "too fast" on the front, and complain about people being sent off the back nine and running up to them. His thought was that they were faster than their expected time, so tough luck.

I would argue that I don't get up super early to tee off first to run into people and have them hold things up. That if I wanted people in front of me, I would have booked an 8:30 tee time.

I guess I'm just really jonesing for the courses to open, and coming up with just about anything, but what are your guys' thoughts on that?

Bluefan75
Mar 10, 2009, 08:54 PM
Your looking for things to complain about already? :rofl:
I understand there will be people out there in 2009 playing some of them will be within your eyesight.

LOL....actually, it's part of the reason I won't go back to Tarandowah, based on what happened last year(had the early tee time, zipped around the front, only to find out afterwards that the Mulligan tour was using split tees...I only had to wait for four more groups to tee off and I would have been ok!!....:cookoo: )

I just saw a link to a thread where a kid made the comment a person was out of line to complain about that since "they played too fast".

And I have no problem with other people being on the course. If I make a tee time besides the first one, I expect there to be people in front. But I make the first one to avoid that exact situation, and don't like being surprised halfway through that that is no longer the case.

plus the first tee time allows me to walk and not have to complain about the marshals getting on my a$$ to try to get me to rent a cart next time.

LowPost42
Mar 10, 2009, 09:07 PM
I'm no rules official but I don't see how that would be true. PGA tournaments routinely have groups tee off 1 and 10 all the time. I'm pretty sure the first two rounds of most tournaments is done this way.

I thought about that but PGA Tournaments also employ the 1 ball rule and lift clean and cheat through the course.

The definition is as follows:

The "stipulated round" consists of playing the holes of the course in their correct sequence unless otherwise authorised by the Committee.

I guess on the Tour the Committee authorises back 9 starts. :eek: :help: :D

Pingeye2_fan
Mar 10, 2009, 09:10 PM
Happened to me at Glen Cedars years ago, 90 minutes to play the front, get to the 10th tee and somehow were the 10th group in line.
3+ hours plus to play the back.

Onin3
Mar 10, 2009, 09:15 PM
True Point about the cart and the marshall, hee, hee.....



LOL....actually, it's part of the reason I won't go back to Tarandowah, based on what happened last year(had the early tee time, zipped around the front, only to find out afterwards that the Mulligan tour was using split tees...I only had to wait for four more groups to tee off and I would have been ok!!....:cookoo: )

I just saw a link to a thread where a kid made the comment a person was out of line to complain about that since "they played too fast".

And I have no problem with other people being on the course. If I make a tee time besides the first one, I expect there to be people in front. But I make the first one to avoid that exact situation, and don't like being surprised halfway through that that is no longer the case.

plus the first tee time allows me to walk and not have to complain about the marshals getting on my a$$ to try to get me to rent a cart next time.

chrisw
Mar 10, 2009, 09:23 PM
if its me yay
if it anyone else no

this is because i play very very fast. and i hate waiting on the middle of the fairway on number 10 when old ladies never let u through and its a long 600 yard par 5 which the ladies take 15 shots to get to the green, so u have to keep smokin balls up there arse to make them move...:rofl: :rofl:

for example. last season i played 18 holes in 1hr and 15 mins alone.. and many times its only taken me 1hr and a half or so.

cobbie_90
Mar 10, 2009, 11:13 PM
if its me yay
if it anyone else no

this is because i play very very fast. and i hate waiting on the middle of the fairway on number 10 when old ladies never let u through and its a long 600 yard par 5 which the ladies take 15 shots to get to the green, so u have to keep smokin balls up there arse to make them move...:rofl: :rofl:

for example. last season i played 18 holes in 1hr and 15 mins alone.. and many times its only taken me 1hr and a half or so.


They prob like that lol.... but im gonna have to say the same a chris. im a very fast player and hate when people jump infront of you on the back nine. but its ok if they let you play through

BowmanvilleJim
Mar 11, 2009, 08:01 AM
A few years back I took some work associates to the course the cobbie and I where members at. We played the front 9 in a standard length of time. When we arrive on the 10th tee there is a group half way down the fairway already. This group was not ahead of us on the front 9.

When we finally got to the 10th green I was able to ask the group ahead of us how they got to tee off on the back and they told me the clubhouse had told them to go tee off on 10.

I wasn't too happy but what the heck, I was enjoying the day anyway. This group was slow and ofcourse that backed things up. As we waited on the 11th tee the marshall comes along and starts hacking on us and is saying we are holding everyone up.

At that point i snapped and ripped a strip off him and told him to go speak to the clubhouse about them letting people out on the 10th instead of hassling us.

My vote is NO, never let people out on the 10th.

lelyflamingo
Mar 11, 2009, 09:27 AM
I do not like it. Depending on the course and which nine they send you off can have a small impact on your scores, thus your handicap

guitarman
Mar 11, 2009, 09:32 AM
I don't like it if I have to wait at the turn, but I understand why golf courses do it, and won't lose sleep over it.


This is how I feel about it.

Lefty17
Mar 11, 2009, 09:41 AM
I'm no rules official but I don't see how that would be true. PGA tournaments routinely have groups tee off 1 and 10 all the time. I'm pretty sure the first two rounds of most tournaments is done this way.

The morning group goes off on both nines....then there's a two hour give our take of no times then the afternoon group off both nines.

just123123
Mar 11, 2009, 09:52 AM
A few years back I took some work associates to the course the cobbie and I where members at. We played the front 9 in a standard length of time. When we arrive on the 10th tee there is a group half way down the fairway already. This group was not ahead of us on the front 9.

When we finally got to the 10th green I was able to ask the group ahead of us how they got to tee off on the back and they told me the clubhouse had told them to go tee off on 10.

I wasn't too happy but what the heck, I was enjoying the day anyway. This group was slow and ofcourse that backed things up. As we waited on the 11th tee the marshall comes along and starts hacking on us and is saying we are holding everyone up.

At that point i snapped and ripped a strip off him and told him to go speak to the clubhouse about them letting people out on the 10th instead of hassling us.

My vote is NO, never let people out on the 10th.

Sorry, but I don't see a problem between courses having groups start at 1 and 9.
When you play a course expect to play in 4 hours. Finishing earlier than that should feel like a bonus. i.e.: If you tee off at #1 and you're in quicker than two hours (as my buds and I often are), expect to wait at #10. If your front is two hours and your 10th in line at #10, it's a problem and a different issue.
Given the economy for golf course owners, understand they have to maximize their profit. Having said that, owners must have smart people managers(marshalls) keeping golfers focused on their golf day. If they don't, constructively complain about the speed of play to management and better yet volunteer to marshall for half a day and see how you do.
If you're just flat out pissed that a course might start groups on #1 and #9, call before you book a time.

Bluefan75
Mar 11, 2009, 10:22 AM
Sorry, but I don't see a problem between courses having groups start at 1 and 9.
When you play a course expect to play in 4 hours. Finishing earlier than that should feel like a bonus. i.e.: If you tee off at #1 and you're in quicker than two hours (as my buds and I often are), expect to wait at #10. If your front is two hours and your 10th in line at #10, it's a problem and a different issue.
Given the economy for golf course owners, understand they have to maximize their profit. Having said that, owners must have smart people managers(marshalls) keeping golfers focused on their golf day. If they don't, constructively complain about the speed of play to management and better yet volunteer to marshall for half a day and see how you do.
If you're just flat out pissed that a course might start groups on #1 and #9, call before you book a time.

If I have the first tee time, why should i expect to play in 4 hours? I would expect to play in the amoutn of time it takes me to play, since I made the first tee time to have no one in front.

You're not suggesting courses are so clueless they think that people who make 6:30 or 7 am tee time are just making a tee time same as someone at 9 am, and are not making that tee time for a specific reason, are you?

I've yet to play with anyone that early in morning who didn't a)have to be somewhere, or b)wants to play quickly and doesn't want someone in front of them holding them up. At a bare minimum the course should tell people what they are doing. When the phone call to make the tee time ends, the customer should know, short of weather, exactly what they will be dealing with that day(aeration, groups off the back, drink-and-hit(sorry, "coroporate outing"), etc.).

mirak
Mar 11, 2009, 10:41 AM
If you tee off at #1 and you're in quicker than two hours (as my buds and I often are), expect to wait at #10.

Sorry dude, but I think you are WRONG !!! If I'm there at 6:30 it's because I want to finish EARLY... I do understand the logic about the courses needing to make some money by accommodating as many early tee times as they can (including letting people on the back nine) The problem with some of them is that they book TWO HOURS solid of tee times on the back nine, if the groups that teed up on the front do the PREDICTABLE thing and finish early... then it's a guaranteed DELAY. Maybe booking only the average time that takes the majority of those early groups do the turn (about 90 minutes) would satisfy the business requirement without Turning off early golfers (I have stopped playing at some places because of this issue... So these courses got my money then, but will not any more...)

My two cents ....

cdnputter
Mar 11, 2009, 10:45 AM
Sorry, but I don't see a problem between courses having groups start at 1 and 9.
When you play a course expect to play in 4 hours. Finishing earlier than that should feel like a bonus. i.e.: If you tee off at #1 and you're in quicker than two hours (as my buds and I often are), expect to wait at #10. If your front is two hours and your 10th in line at #10, it's a problem and a different issue.
Given the economy for golf course owners, understand they have to maximize their profit. Having said that, owners must have smart people managers(marshalls) keeping golfers focused on their golf day. If they don't, constructively complain about the speed of play to management and better yet volunteer to marshall for half a day and see how you do.
If you're just flat out pissed that a course might start groups on #1 and #9, call before you book a time.

You mean start on #1 and #10 right? If a course started someone on the last hole of 9 and it wasn't a shotgun start for a tournament, I'd be po'd big time.

Courses need to be more proactive in informing golfers of their time expectations or if there's a crossover in the morning or afternoon. If I went somewhere and that wasn't explained I would be looking for some recompense.

ScrambleforDoubleBog
Mar 11, 2009, 11:31 AM
My preference is to golf earlier in the day so that I don't have to have a long round. I agree with those who would be po'd to see groups starting on the 10th tee. Especially if the course staff didn't make it known before the round started.

just123123
Mar 12, 2009, 09:42 AM
[quote=Bluefan75]If I have the first tee time, why should i expect to play in 4 hours? I would expect to play in the amoutn of time it takes me to play, since I made the first tee time to have no one in front.

You're not suggesting courses are so clueless they think that people who make 6:30 or 7 am tee time are just making a tee time same as someone at 9 am, and are not making that tee time for a specific reason, are you?

You can't be serious:rofl: :rofl: ...that must be it, it's conspiracy specific. I can play 18 in two hours, as I'm sure other people can. But the point is, not everyone (whether your first or last)...I'll even go as far as saying most people don't feel the need to play in two hours. Most people (golf club owners included) don't expect to play more than 4 hours. Finishing under that time is a bonus. Over that time can be problematic.
It's only a "me" (as you mention in your first paragraph) game when you book the entire course. Jack Nicholson buys 5 tee time places before and 5 tee times after his tee time....Try that.
If you play golf with that as your understanding, you'll enjoy your day more.


I've yet to play with anyone that early in morning who didn't a)have to be somewhere, or b)wants to play quickly and doesn't want someone in front of them holding them up. At a bare minimum the course should tell people what they are doing.
If this back/front is huge for you, you should make it an automatic ask when you call for a tee time.

When the phone call to make the tee time ends, the customer should know, short of weather, exactly what they will be dealing with that day(aeration, groups off the back, drink-and-hit(sorry, "coropora