Will M. Wie make the cut? [Archive] - Toronto Golf Nuts

Bellyhungry

Jan 11, 2006, 09:19 AM

As much as I'd like to see her play in the weekend, I do not think she will make the cut, not due to her putting, but more because of her GIR % playing on a PGA event. She will have to hit a lot of long irons into the greens while her fellow competitors will be hitting mid or short irons.

I saw on TGC that her mental coach wants her to remember to have fun. I hope she takes that to heart.

On a side notes, the Sony and Nike people are getting their money's worth for the exposure she gets this week. The TV people will pray that she makes the cut this weekend for the sake of rating.

I recall being in a 300+people business event last July in the US, the whole evening itinerary was delayed by one hour due to people staying in their hotel rooms watching Wie attempting to make the cut at the John Deere.

EDSGolf

Jan 11, 2006, 09:42 AM

YUP :cool:

Bellyhungry

Jan 11, 2006, 10:36 AM

Will Michelle Wie have a better score than David Duval this week?

ps: my apologies for hijaaking the thread....

sharkhark

Jan 11, 2006, 02:40 PM

I am Carnac the magnificient, "5 strokes!"
What was the Question?
"What is the number Wie will miss by?".

This is a recent comment on a US sports Site:
Wie - This will be what they say when her career ends in mediocrity: “On the LPGA she could have been a contender!” Or “Can you believe she couldn’t win more with that great swing and all that money?” maybe even “What would she have done against the women, how many of those cups would have been hers?

It is her life and is entitled to live it regardless of how we feel. But I am also allowed to have my own opinion.
I do not respect someone who has done little as an amateur, and decides to try and just make a cut against guys. Even if she does it, what does it prove? She is a female good enough to make a cut but not win.

Since she rakes in the big Dough but has not won against the best women, has not won an amateur event since 2003, i dislike her attitude and will cheer on every failure.

I am a nice guy who I admit is turning into a real jerk in my attitude towards wishing bad things on her. But I will be cheering people who actually compete, prove themselvers, and win, like pressel or creamer.
Cheers, Shark:eek:

Shake99

Jan 11, 2006, 08:24 PM

Nope ---

Golfbum

Jan 11, 2006, 09:55 PM

What do you guys think? I think she makes it if the wind isn't blowing.
NOPE

I have nothing against women golfers, but maybe, just maybe she should learn how to WIN on the WOMEN'S TOUR before she tries to conquer the PGA.

I have the utmost respect for all of the women playing on the LPGA, but I quickly losing respect for a 16 year old who has $10 million in endoresments and has never done a damn thing to earn that money, other than turn Pro.

Annika went out once and tried her luck, missed the cut and stated she would never be back to a PGA Event again. Sure she played in the Skins, but that was not a PGA event with a cut involved. That was all about TV marketing.

You would think that a 16 year old might learn something from the BEST WOMAN GOLFER in the world at the present time.

Like someone said, it is her life, she can do what she wants. I just feel she is wasting her time.

rockwalls

Jan 12, 2006, 12:47 AM

hah! here we go again. i think i've addressed my issues last time around regarding michelle wie and will not revisit that again. my prediction is she will miss the cut and i've had enough of this story. :cool: really, i think its about time she just play in the LPGA and if she's that good, then i'll be expecting her to dust off all the competition there and win the slam....oops i guess we'll never see that happening because she wants to play the men's league:D my apologies to wie fans out there - it makes for good viewership but i don't like pro golf to be a circus.

duffer_devon

Jan 12, 2006, 07:11 AM

abz-pete

Jan 12, 2006, 10:03 AM

Personally, I don't think she'll make the cut, but its all part of the learning process for her, and of course, it's great for the sponsors. Playing against the men certainly helped Annika take her game to a new level. I believe Michelle will be the No.1 player on the LPGA tour before she's twenty, but she'll never compete with the guys on tour.

corchard

Jan 12, 2006, 10:50 AM

She can play against gorillas for all I really care, however, anything that keeps the public at large interested in the game is probably good for golf. If she thinks it will make her game better and get her more money then good on her. She will probably eventually make a cut somewhere but eventually she's realize that there is money to be made in the LPGA tour also. The top 6 money winners on the LPGA earned more than $1M. She would have to crack 78th place on the men's tour to make the same cash (based on 2005). I don't think she's got it in her (yet) to crack the top 78 but I think she could crack the top six on the LPGA.

leftintherough

Jan 12, 2006, 10:55 AM

I have nothing against women golfers, but maybe, just maybe she should learn how to WIN on the WOMEN'S TOUR before she tries to conquer the PGA.

Exactly !!!!!

For her long term success she should learn how to win, which is much different than playing very good golf.

hogannut

Jan 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

I think Michelle should concentrate on making cuts with the girls first. When she has Annika's status then try. If the media keeps treating her the way they have she's going to become the Sidney Crosby of the LPGA. Wie has talent, no doubt, but how much more does she have then the other young guns like Creamer, Nulbis and Pressell. Pressell has already expressed her dismay with the treatment of Wie and things like this will only enhance it. Pressell's record so far is better than Wie's so should Morgan be going?

Golfbum

Jan 12, 2006, 03:22 PM

[QUOTE
Annika went out once and tried her luck, missed the cut and stated she would never be back to a PGA Event again. Sure she played in the Skins, but that was not a PGA event with a cut involved. That was all about TV marketing.

You would think that a 16 year old might learn something from the BEST WOMAN GOLFER in the world at the present time.QUOTE]

This 16 year old has learned, and you hit the nail right on the head, it is all about TV marketing. If Michelle Wie plays in your event, you are guaranteed better crowds and better TV ratings. It is ALL about the money, and that's why her endorsement deals are so much money because NIKE and SONY know that she will make THEM money.
Problem with that is the novelty of seeing her play has worn off with many of us. I for one will not tune into the coverage on TSN tonight just to watch her.

I just do not think she belongs on the PGA, she is not a member, she can't make cuts. She has not won any major JR Girls Amateur events. It is all about the money for her and her family and I think that is wrong for a career move. Sure she could ride off into the sunset with her $10 Mil and be happy, but what does that do to help golf?

But to each his.her own opinions on this matter. Myself, I would prefer to watch Morgan Pressel competing in an LPGA event along side Paula Creamer.

Pingnut

Jan 12, 2006, 03:22 PM

The Kicker of Elves

Jan 12, 2006, 04:12 PM

+7 through 8, yikes...

Par Par Bogey Double Par Double Par Double

Might want to think about getting the deposit back on the hotel room for Friday and Saturday nights...

hogannut

Jan 12, 2006, 04:14 PM

I'm all for letting her try as much as she or any other female wants - they have to start somewhere if they want to find out if they can compete.

As for the cut - it's not looking good. +5 through the first 6 holes.....
She's got a good shot at beating Duval though :D

That's funny.....I'm working hard in the off season and will be looking for Duval for a little Nassau this year. Maybe Duval could play some Great Lake events to get back into game shape.

Shake99

Jan 12, 2006, 07:02 PM

Good thing she lives in Hawaii and has no hotel to pay finished +9 dead last. ooops correction 2nd last to a guy coming off a medical exemption.

Boagz

Jan 12, 2006, 08:16 PM

wie is over rated, she should sick to the lpga where she belongs

Golfbum

Jan 12, 2006, 08:43 PM

wie is over rated, she should sick to the lpga where she belongs
Bottom line there is she doesn't really belong there either. She has no LPGA card, so the only events she gets into are ones she is invited too. She is a PRO Golfer with no tour to play on full time. Not a very good career move as far as her golf career goes.

Copetown Woods

Jan 12, 2006, 10:28 PM

It's not looking so good for Michelle right now..just finished round one PLUS 9 ... not so sure the cut line will be more than par, or at the most 1 or 2 over.

TourIQ

Jan 12, 2006, 11:42 PM

What do you guys think? I think she makes it if the wind isn't blowing.
Hi westbeach

T142rd > 2nd last loser. She only beat Jimmy Walker.

I agree with Golfbum and a few others. Personally I would rather see Paula Creamer or Morgan Pressel get an exemption, at least they know how to win, and perform under pressure.

Michelle Wie was created by her dad and the media circus. I suspect Leadbetter will ruin her swing over time, since he is so 'technical'. Definitely a wrong choice for a coach. She has had everything handed to her on a platinum platter.

In the end, Michelle doesn't drive the ball as far as the media and her inner circle claims. Today she drove it 272 yards, compared to David Toms at 312 yards (+40) and Jeff Gove at 339 yards (+67). She did beat Mike Weir at 268 yards (-4).

Her short game is not up to PGA level par, she isn't very good with the putter, BUT above ALL her mental fitness is not developed to the point where she can hold it together. How many meltdowns has she had over the last few holes, when all she needed were a couple of pars to finish an event and make the cut.

Creamer, Pressel, and Sorensam are not going to roll over and let the new media darling take over. They have the desire to win and rewrite history. $10 million thrown to Michelle + appearance money fees takes a little of the hunger away for Miss Wie.

sharkhark

Jan 12, 2006, 11:54 PM

I am Carnac the magnificient, "5 strokes!"
What was the Question?
"What is the number Wie will miss by?".

It is her life and is entitled to live it regardless of how we feel. But I am also allowed to have my own opinion.
I do not respect someone who has done little as an amateur, and decides to try and just make a cut against guys. Even if she does it, what does it prove? She is a female good enough to make a cut but not win.

Since she rakes in the big Dough but has not won against the best women, has not won an amateur event since 2003, i dislike her attitude and will cheer on every failure.

I am a nice guy who I admit is turning into a real jerk in my attitude towards wishing bad things on her. But I will be cheering people who actually compete, prove themselvers, and win, like pressel or creamer.
Cheers, Shark:eek:
Yessssssssssss!
said wie after round:
http://images1.thegolfchannel.com/images/EventPhoto/U-Z/92797.jpg Michelle Wie has her ball examined by playing competitor Chris Couch for scuff marks.

"It was just a combination of bad shots that turned out to be really bad," admitted Wie, who competed this week under a sponsor's exemption. "It was so darned hard out there with the wind and everything."

So Like ummmm, bad shots r bad
and turn out really bad,like u know
badly!
Thank goodness no wind on LPGA!

Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers,Shark:clap:

rockwalls

Jan 13, 2006, 01:32 AM

Can't help but add...You know, I must say I kinda feel bad for her in a sense that she is not being guided properly by her dad BJ and whoever her other coaches are. We all know her raw talent and power however, this game ain't just about that. She is truly mistaken by thinking she at this age can play at this high a level in the men's league. Not to say that the LPGA is a level lower but there is a big difference between the men and women's tour. It doesn't help either that sponsors and big name companies are endorsing this nonsense. Michelle should truly realize that they are there to make their money and really not care about her game/development while it lasts. Sure she'll get her truckloads of dough but to the detriment of not ever learning how to win and be a great player - the sort of Kournikova of golf.

My message to Michelle: "stop this nonsense. play in the LPGA. your career is on the line. it is insulting to many pros and many other tours to think that you can only challenge yourself by playing in the PGA. you can prove yourself by playing against the likes of Creamer, Pressel and the great Annika and still that is no easy feat. until you do that and win a tournament, you're old news."

sharkhark

Jan 13, 2006, 02:50 AM

My message to Michelle: "stop this nonsense. play in the LPGA. your career is on the line. it is insulting to many pros and many other tours to think that you can only challenge yourself by playing in the PGA. ."
Hi! Michelle here, like umm,don't tell me what to do, you sound like my dad! He's always making me like clean my room, and u know, like play against the boys.

No one tells me what to do, or I will like Call my friend tiger to hurt you.

I don't see why everyone like..you know..umm..wants me to play only against the girls...I can fail against the guys just as well as the girls..so why not?

Signed, wee wee.:(

noback

Jan 13, 2006, 07:54 AM

:eek: Michelle Wie in the TorontoGolfNuts forum???? WOW I'm impressed.:rofl:

Bellyhungry

Jan 13, 2006, 08:00 AM

- Wie plays in PGA events
- Wie talks about wanting to be #1, play in the Masters, blah blah blah; The general public pays attention
- Wie gets lots of publicity and media attention
- Sponsors love it whenshe is carrying their bag and wearing theur hat
- Sponsors pay Wie for the exposure and Wie obliges
- Wie makes lots of money on endorsement deals, Sponsors gets marketing exposure

Most top golfers make more money off the course than on the course. She is making ALL her living off the course at this moment.

Why should she be scrutinized any more than other pro golfers?

AnnikaFan

Jan 13, 2006, 10:51 AM

hahahha lol

sharkhark

Jan 13, 2006, 01:01 PM

- Wie plays in PGA events

Why should she be scrutinized any more than other pro golfers?
She will be looked more closely than any other golfer because it is human nature to judge people.
We can't help it.
Deep down when we hear about any athlete making more in a short time, than most of us will in our life time, we get jealous!
Whether we admit it or not.
The difference is, when we honestly feel that it is warranted by their efforts or skill, we grudgingly accept it.
I don't think anyone here on Annika (whether they like her or not) would not understand the $$$ she makes it, and not accept it.

I continue to hear, on and on, about Wie's unbelievable skills. On what basis? Watching her on a practice range, bombing it? Cuz guess what, I bomb it on the practice range, and hit crisp irons.
When I play that's a different story. Inconsistent, good one day/not next.

Essentially this 'athlete' is being guided by her father (rather poorly vs for example tiger and his father). Good for short term $$$, but not for her development.

If you think about it, if she:
-hasn't won an amateur event since 2003
-hasn't won against the best women i.e. LPGA
-competed vs. men 2003-2006 & is getting worse statistically each time!
-since turning pro in 2 events has disqualified herself and started +9?

I don't really see what she is displaying as an athlete that justifies people continuing to say how talented she is. Results tell you that.

Give me one, even just one, 'result' to explain why she is so good?
There is not even one thing to back her rep up, when compared to all other talent new and old. Annika, creamer, pressel, etc etc.

Cheers, Shark:$

duffer_devon

Jan 13, 2006, 04:37 PM

rockwalls

Jan 13, 2006, 05:06 PM

Hi! Michelle here, like umm,don't tell me what to do, you sound like my dad! He's always making me like clean my room, and u know, like play against the boys.

No one tells me what to do, or I will like Call my friend tiger to hurt you.

I don't see why everyone like..you know..umm..wants me to play only against the girls...I can fail against the guys just as well as the girls..so why not?

Signed, wee wee.:(
And like, I can't stand Morgan Pressel...like, she thinks she's the best and its like..she just got her license and all that....that's why I like playing with the boys instead...:D

mikemakeitso

Jan 13, 2006, 07:10 PM

i think its about time
Ahhhh, No...

sharkhark

Jan 13, 2006, 07:31 PM

Kinda beating this one to death, but...

I just realized that Wie fans say she is trying to play and make cut on mens PGA to challenge herself....
...but if she hasn't won anything...period....isn't anything a challenge?

I'm beginning to think she is doing this once in awhile to keep people talking for months on end while it takes attention off her LPGA performance (or lack therof).

Cheers, Shark:p

Bellyhungry

Jan 16, 2006, 09:19 AM

Give me one, even just one, 'result' to explain why she is so good?
There is not even one thing to back her rep up, when compared to all other talent new and old. Annika, creamer, pressel, etc etc.

Cheers, Shark:$
She won the US Women's Public Link Championship in 2003 when she was 13. Does that suffice?

The Kicker of Elves

Jan 16, 2006, 11:47 AM

She won the US Women's Public Link Championship in 2003 when she was 13. Does that suffice?
And came in 2nd in 3 LPGA events in 05, and 3rd in another.

The media hype for MW causes a lot of resentment and venom (just read the posts above) but I seriously doubt she'll have an unsuccessful career in Women's golf.

To her credit, I haven't heard a lot of bonehead statements from her when they stick a microphone in her face, unlike Pressel (every time she's interviewed on screen or in print she comes across as a spoiled rich brat) or Creamer at the ADT championship.

hogannut

Jan 16, 2006, 12:22 PM

i think its about time
She needs A LOT more experience. If Annika can't then how can Michelle?

YUP :cool:
Everyone is giving her way to much credit. The reality is she has talent but has not proven one thing yet. No LPGA wins. No matter how good of an amatuer you are it means nothing until you win as a pro because it is a totally different situation. Michelle will be dominate player on the LPGA one day, but until she is in Annia's category she should stick to the LPGA, even with a sponsors exempt. It will be better for her in the long run.

- Wie plays in PGA events
- Wie talks about wanting to be #1, play in the Masters, blah blah blah; The general public pays attention
- Wie gets lots of publicity and media attention
- Sponsors love it whenshe is carrying their bag and wearing theur hat
- Sponsors pay Wie for the exposure and Wie obliges
- Wie makes lots of money on endorsement deals, Sponsors gets marketing exposure

Most top golfers make more money off the course than on the course. She is making ALL her living off the course at this moment.

Why should she be scrutinized any more than other pro golfers?
Because she's putting herself in the boat by playing in these tournaments. Unfortunately this is the price you pay when you become a millionaire 10 times over when your 16 years old. May not be fair but I wish I had those kinds of problems. Also, she is NOT making her $ just trying to play because if that was the case she would not have been playing this past weekend. I agree with you she is a great marketing person, probablly the best so far in the history of the LPGA (applogies to Nancy Lopez) but eventually she will need the game to back up the hype. She has the potential but needs to develop on her tour first.

The Kicker of Elves

Jan 16, 2006, 12:45 PM

I totally agree with what hogannut says here...

What will be interesting to see is how she performs on a full LPGA schedule someday. Playing a tournament every month or so is not a clear indication.

As for playing in PGA tournaments, it's purely a PR move, both for her and for the tour events. When she's around on Thursday and Friday they sell a lot of tickets, they get a lot of media exposure, and her galleries are enormous. This makes her sponsor's very happy...

I do wish (like when Tiger is playing) that the TV coverage was spread around a bit more... I don't remember seeing anyone other than Toms, Furyk, Campbell or Wie on Thurs and Fri. If they were going to focus on Wie so much, show Villegas (sp?) and Martin was it? Especially off the tee, as the announcers kept mentioning how, although Wie is long for a female, the other 2/3rds of her group were well past her off the tee.

sharkhark

Jan 16, 2006, 12:53 PM

She won the US Women's Public Link Championship in 2003 when she was 13. Does that suffice?You must not have read back through this thread.
Thats how this comment started. She has not won anything since.
Nothing.
People get a reputation based on winning, she has a reputation of being soooo good, yet there is nothing to base that on.
A junior win three yrs ago, and nothing since.
How can anyone justify the enormous reputation she has.
Cheers, Shark:$

And came in 2nd in 3 LPGA events in 05, and 3rd in another.

To her credit, I haven't heard a lot of bonehead statements from her when they stick a microphone in her face, unlike Pressel (every time she's interviewed on screen or in print she comes across as a spoiled rich brat) or Creamer at the ADT championship.
I guess you didn't hear her after her +9 round this past week, she said "um, like oh my god,like the wind,the wind, like it was so brutal,like it was blowing sooo hard, like its difficult"
You may think I am joking, i am not, its on print in several sites.

I repeat, has not won anything. Who finished second in the superbowl two yrs ago, three yrs ago?
Who are the top 5 non winners on the pga/lpga lifetime?

Nobobdy remembers second.

Second is a first place loser.

Cheers, Shark

ForeontheFloor

Jan 16, 2006, 01:12 PM

Michelle Wie is playing on the PGA Tour for the same reason the no-good, can't hit it straight more than 220 yards, can't break 100 to save their life weekend hackers play the BACK tees.

They want to "challenge" themselves. Even though they stand a better chance beating someone from the forward tees (LPGA Tour).lol...:rofl::rofl::rofl: man that's perfect

Just a thought about Wie needing to "learn how to win first". Maybe she is learning to win, just on the PGA. Look what just playing one event on the PGA did for Annika. If Wie starts making cut on the PGA the rest of the LPGA is in trouble.

Bellyhungry

Jan 16, 2006, 02:40 PM

According to a lot of people's opinions - some expressed here, she certainly could have learned to win by participating in those Drive, Chip, and Putts events instead of playing in LPGA and PGS events.

noback

Jan 16, 2006, 02:46 PM

Just a thought about Wie needing to "learn how to win first". Maybe she is learning to win, just on the PGA. Look what just playing one event on the PGA did for Annika. If Wie starts making cut on the PGA the rest of the LPGA is in trouble.
Annika won tournaments, MANY tournaments on the LPGA BEFORE she played one event on the PGA and is a MUCH BETTER player than the wie girl anyday. How many times has the wie girl beaten Annika? Oh wait, she hasnt beaten her or ANYONE yet. :rolleyes:

When the wie girl wins ALL the tournaments she enters then maybe it's time to move onto the PGA tour but until then, LEARN HOW TO WIN against your own members before you play against the boys.:nono:

dks_34

Jan 16, 2006, 03:36 PM

I agree, if Wie was winning everything in sight on the LPGA tour, then let her try and qualify for the PGA. But she hasn't won anything on the LPGA tour and I think she needs something more than a couple of second place finishes. I also agree that she has lots of talent but she also needs to mature first.

I wish that I could hit it like her or even half as good as her but she just aint' ready.

The Kicker of Elves

Jan 16, 2006, 03:43 PM

I guess you didn't hear her after her +9 round this past week, she said "um, like oh my god,like the wind,the wind, like it was so brutal,like it was blowing sooo hard, like its difficult"
You may think I am joking, i am not, its on print in several sites.

LOL. I assume you added the "likes" for emphasis? "Like :omg: !!!!"

Focker Singh

Jan 16, 2006, 05:08 PM

I was a huge supporter of Wie playing with the guys a couple years ago and last year. I thought it would be great for her to try to achieve her ultimate goal of playing at the Masters and winning in the PGA Tour. Playing with men would give her an experience she would use in her future and what a confidence booster it would be if she did make the cut or finish top 10 or heck...win!

However, after how many tries now? 7? She has failed every single time. Not to say you should give up in life goals but maybe she needs to take 2 steps back to make one step forward. Yes, some may say that she came close or shot a couple rounds of 68 but thats not winning and she hasn't made a single cut. Close doesn't cut it at this level and until she wins elsewhere, she should focus and learn how to win on the LPGA Tour for now. Not to say Wie can't play with the men in the future, just not now. Play a full season and build rivalries with Pressel, Annika and Creamer and learn how to play in the final pairing on Sunday, walking down the 18th fairway knowing you have to make par or birdie to win or tie a tournament.

Bellyhungry

Jan 16, 2006, 05:12 PM

What if you are a high handicapper and get invited to play in Augusta National and Pine Valley (and get paid)? Would you decline the offer and use the reason that your game is not worthy of the courses, while knowing full well that the invite could be a one time offer only?

ForeontheFloor

Jan 16, 2006, 05:49 PM

Just for the record I do not support Wie playing on the PGA tour. My point was that she is learning to win on at the highest level and if she figures that out the LPGA may be in trouble in a few years.

sharkhark

Jan 17, 2006, 12:17 AM

LOL. I assume you added the "likes" for emphasis? "Like :omg: !!!!"
Like umm?...ahhh...umm u...might.umm..ah..like think I did add for emphasis but:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/audio/1005wie.mp3

I particularly like minute 1:40 to 2.00 minutes during which she says umm, eleven times. I am not kidding. That's more than one every 2 seconds.

I counted....
....another sign that..big break hawaiian hoola girls, the daily planet, and another rerun of fred funy playing with the pros's is not going to cut it.

I need help?

Umm...Like...Cheers, Shark

p.s. I wanted to find audio after the first round, it was on GC page but its gone. Will still try, its hilarious, like umm the wind, it was like so windy, she says at one point, no joke.:$

TourIQ

Jan 17, 2006, 05:48 PM

Hi Jents and Guys

I've never disliked Michelle Wie, just the 'D-team' around her. I find it ironic, if you check threads from 6 months ago, before she turned professional, that the vast majority of golfers were behind the girl, and wanted her to do very well for herself. Now I am afraid, the tides have turned, after she pocketed a cool $9.5 USD million. She did give $0.5 million away to the hurracine victims, so great!

The media and her inner circle have made it a circus show. Give some of the other girls a chance to see how they measure up on the PGA. I know they are exemptions, and the sponsors can give them out as they see fit.

I would love to see her win on the LPGA, as I like to see every professional get at least 1 win under their belt. In many press interviews she talks about how 'I want it u know, uhhha like, so bad'. That tells me her mental fitness is shot to play with the big boys. She is preoccupied with the final outcome, instead of staying in the moment, and committing to the shot at hand. Right now Pressel and Creamer have the eye of the Tiger, the confidence and the desire to win, while Michelle does not. Repeated failure could ruin her chance at greatness.

If I were her, the first thing I would do is dump Leadbetter and go back to the coach who helped her in the early days. He lives in Hawaii, but the Wie's dumped him right after her coach left the Leadbetter camp.