Question regarding Match Play

[nuffstyle]

Hello all! I was hoping that someone here might be able to clear up something that I've been wondering about for a while, but have never thought to ask anyone.

I'm not sure if I'm even starting this thread in the right forum...

When people talk about Match Play, they'll sometimes say that so-and-so beat whats-his-name in match play 4 and 3. (I don't know if those numbers are even possible because I don't understand what it means).

I've seen the games themselves, and I understand how it ends, but I just can't seem to make sense of the numbers!

Can someone please help me out?:help:

And please, I've got a feeling I'm going to feel stupid when I hear the answer, so please try not to laugh!

[aaagc]

This expression means that the player is leading by four holes but that there only 3 left to play. Therefore he has won.

Say he is three up before they start the 15th. He is 3 up with 4 to play.
He then wins the 16th. He is now 4 up with 3 to play. He can't draw or lose.

[corchard]

nuffstyle. Great post. I've been wondering for a couple of decades. (too Lazy to find out).

There is no such thing as stupid questions... just stupid answers.

[iyell4]

whilst we're on the match play topic, what does it mean to have a 'dormie' (sp)? (or be a 'dormie'? or be 'dormie'?)

[chiantibro]

whilst we're on the match play topic, what does it mean to have a 'dormie' (sp)? (or be a 'dormie'? or be 'dormie'?)
During events like the Ryder Cup, and the Presidents Cup, where a tie in matchplay is an accepted part of the result, dormie refers to this: Player A is up by two holes with two to play; player A is dormie because the best player B can do is win the last two holes for the tie.
Of course, dormie doesn't apply at the WGC MatchPlay because they play holes until there is a winner. Hope I've explained this okay.

[iyell4]

During events like the Ryder Cup, and the Presidents Cup, where a tie in matchplay is an accepted part of the result, dormie refers to this: Player A is up by two holes with two to play; player A is dormie because the best player B can do is win the last two holes for the tie.
Of course, dormie doesn't apply at the WGC MatchPlay because they play holes until there is a winner. Hope I've explained this okay.i think i get it ... if a player is 'dormie', based on his lead and the # of holes left to play he will end the match with at least a tie . Right?:)

... as a corollary to that ...
in Ryder Cup .. if a team is up 2 points with only two matches left to conclude, is the entire team 'dormie'??

[aaagc]

1) Dormie is commonly used during the first 18 even if the result may be decided by extra holes

2) Dormie is normally only used in respect of an individual match.

Historically, the term 'dormie' is derived from the French/Latin "dormir", meaning "to sleep", suggesting that a player who is 'dormie' can relax (literally, go to sleep) without fear of losing the match.

[Focker Singh]

So now you can understand how badly Tiger beat Ames on Wednesday!! 9 & 8!!
Thats the largest margin of victory in match play history. Imagine that, shaking hands on the 10th green. OUCH!

[nuffstyle]

Thanks all!!

Now I can go sound hoity toity to my friends...

"Did you see Tiger beat Ames 9 and 8 on Wednesday??"

Seriously though...thanks for clearing that up!:D

nuffstyle. Great post. I've been wondering for a couple of decades. (too Lazy to find out).

There is no such thing as stupid questions... just stupid answers.
Thanks Corchard! I'm glad I found out as well...

I don't think I could've lasted another couple decades in the dark about this one. It's been bothering me for a while, but I just didn't know who to ask!

(not too many stupid answers on this forum methinks!)

[Faemow]

So now you can understand how badly Tiger beat Ames on Wednesday!! 9 & 8!!
Thats the largest margin of victory in match play history. Imagine that, shaking hands on the 10th green. OUCH!- 'and I was just warmed up to play better, time to pack the bags. That was a good investment of $10Gs'

Hey was Ames trash talking Tiger the day before? I heard rumours about it but wasnt' too sure.

[aaagc]

So now you can understand how badly Tiger beat Ames on Wednesday!! 9 & 8!!
Thats the largest margin of victory in match play history. Imagine that, shaking hands on the 10th green. OUCH!But there's more !

If after the second hole a player had been found to be carrying more than 14 clubs he would have been penalised 1 hole for each hole played (upto a maximum of 2 holes). Rule 4-4a.

If he had already lost the 1st two holes, he would now be 4 down. If he continued to lose holes in normal play, after 9 holes he would be 11 down with 9 to play. :(

And even more

If a Condition of Competition forbids the use of a relation (eg) as a caddy and if after the second hole a player had been found to have an illegal caddy he would have been penalised 1 hole for each hole played (upto a maximum of 2 holes). CoC Use of Caddie Prohibited

If he had already lost the 1st two holes, he would now be 6 down. If he continued to lose holes in normal play, after 8 holes he would be 12 down with 10 to play. :mad:

And the killer

If a Condition of Competition specifies that the players use only one type of ball and if after a few holes a player had been found to have used different types he would have been penalised 1 hole for each hole played (upto a maximum of 2 holes). CoC One Ball Condition

If he had already lost the 1st two holes, he would now be 10 down. If he continued to lose holes in normal play, after 7 holes he would be 13 down with 11 to play. :eek:

AAARGH !

If a Condition of Competition forbids the use of a cart and if after the second hole a player had been found to have been using a cart he would have been penalised 1 hole for each hole played (upto a maximum of 2 holes). CoC Transportation

If he had already lost the 1st two holes, he would now be 8 down. If he continued to lose holes in normal play, after 6 holes he would be 14 down with 12 to play. :help:

And one more


If after sacking his father as a caddy he hires two replacements for the remaining holes, he would have been penalised 1 hole for each hole played (upto a maximum of 2 holes). Rule 6-4 Caddie

If he continued to lose holes in normal play, after 5 holes he would be 15 down with 13 to play :rofl:

[Bellyhungry]

This expression means that the player is leading by four holes but that there only 3 left to play. Therefore he has won.

Say he is three up before they start the 15th. He is 3 up with 4 to play.
He then wins the 16th. He is now 4 up with 3 to play. He can't draw or lose.
I always thought the score indicates how many beers the two players drink before they become too intoxicated to continue the match.

Hmmm...I guess I have been wrong all along...

[aaagc]

I always thought the score indicates how many beers the two players drink before they become too intoxicated to continue the match.

Hmmm...I guess I have been wrong all along...
At my previous club we used to play a 12 hole, five person team Saturday night wine shotgun scramble. Stay overnight in adjacent hotel.

Team of 5 goes to their starting hole, each with a bottle of wine.
Each consumes a glassfull on the tee and takes their glass with them but not the bottle.
At the next hole, same again ...............

After six holes everyone reckoned they were playing their best golf of the year -
until the cards were checked the next morning.

[Focker Singh]

- 'and I was just warmed up to play better, time to pack the bags. That was a good investment of $10Gs'

Hey was Ames trash talking Tiger the day before? I heard rumours about it but wasnt' too sure.
Ames wasn`t trash talking Tiger, I dont think anyone would be that stupid to right before a Match Play against him but Ames was asked something about playing against Tiger and Ames said something about his driving accuracy. Get this part...when Tiger was interviewed after the match and asked what he thought about Ames`s comments Tiger just kept repeating "9 and 8....9 and 8..." :rofl: Love it!

[sharkhark]

Too bad tiger couldn't get himself up for more than one round. Barely beating the aussie who is isn't exactly one of the top tens and losing to chad campbell. Needs to work on his emotional levels.

As far as as the ames comments. Its funny how he originally complimented tiger on saying that his game is so strong. He is amazed that even when one part of his game, driving, is not quite there, he still scrambles and gets it done.

Somehow that has been shortened since then to "tigers driving sucks, I am going to beat him bad";) :p :rolleyes:

[Jaydog]

Too bad tiger couldn't get himself up for more than one round. Barely beating the aussie who is isn't exactly one of the top tens and losing to chad campbell. Needs to work on his emotional levels.

As far as as the ames comments. Its funny how he originally complimented tiger on saying that his game is so strong. He is amazed that even when one part of his game, driving, is not quite there, he still scrambles and gets it done.

Somehow that has been shortened since then to "tigers driving sucks, I am going to beat him bad";) :p :rolleyes:

thanks for putting ames comments in context. i didn't believe it when i first heard it then the commentator qualified the comment. however, they continued like that part never existed and made a big deal about it.

soooooooooo confused. :dunno: