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BowmanvilleJim
May 10, 2010, 06:23 AM
I would love to have seen this. :rofl:

http://jacksonville.com/sports/golf/2010-05-07/story/belligerent-fan-tased-sheriffs-deputies-players-championship-friday

goshawk
May 10, 2010, 07:43 AM
Football, baseball game last week (Philly), now golf. What's next? Taser unruly fans at a PBA event? ;)

cobbie_90
May 10, 2010, 08:37 AM
jezzz this is happening like everyday now

Shake99
May 10, 2010, 08:42 AM
Football, baseball game last week (Philly), now golf. What's next? Taser unruly fans at a PBA event? ;)

ROFLMAO better clarify that you mean the Professional Bowling Association not the Professional Bullriding Association.

IMO the police everywhere have gotten carried away with use of Taser's forgetting that they are not non-lethal in may instances. It has become the easy way out of just subding or waiting out the situation. How long do you really think a drunk fan is going to run around a field before exhaustin/alcohol drops them for you. The one in Philly loking t=like the officer was getting embrassed about being outrun.

michaeljreid
May 10, 2010, 09:17 AM
Jeez, I'm curious, at what point did it become ok for people to break the law?

Tired of hearing people whin about police using Tasers. If you are going to break the law, be prepared to deal with what happens.

For some reason people want to blame the cop for not being in shape enough or strong enough or what have you. They are given guidelines on what they can and can't do. Tasering someone for submission is within the standard ops for an officer.

You don't want to get tasered....comply with the officer. Doesn't seem complicated.

guitarman
May 10, 2010, 09:21 AM
Jeez, I'm curious, at what point did it become ok for people to break the law?

Tired of hearing people whin about police using Tasers. If you are going to break the law, be prepared to deal with what happens.

For some reason people want to blame the cop for not being in shape enough or strong enough or what have you. They are given guidelines on what they can and can't do. Tasering someone for submission is within the standard ops for an officer.

You don't want to get tasered....comply with the officer. Doesn't seem complicated.

Running around a sports field drunk = possible death sentence. Yeah that sounds reasonable. Hell why not just shoot em?

Bern
May 10, 2010, 09:24 AM
Jeez, I'm curious, at what point did it become ok for people to break the law?

Tired of hearing people whin about police using Tasers. If you are going to break the law, be prepared to deal with what happens.

For some reason people want to blame the cop for not being in shape enough or strong enough or what have you. They are given guidelines on what they can and can't do. Tasering someone for submission is within the standard ops for an officer.

You don't want to get tasered....comply with the officer. Doesn't seem complicated.


I disagree with this, tasering someone is a last resort, it seems to be way to common place at the moment. It appears that no one was in imminent danger from the man at this time, yes he was drunk and unrully but he was an inconvenience, not a threat. I would suspect he has very good grounds for a lawsuit here.

michaeljreid
May 10, 2010, 09:25 AM
Running around a sports field drunk = possible death sentence. Yeah that sounds reasonable. Hell why not just shoot em?

Why not? The point is, people cry on and on about the police and the military and how they shouldn't be using exessive force or should be fighting some war somewhere, but give me a break, if the unrully fan hurt someone in the process those same people would be crying "where were the police to stop that".

Are they supposed to wait until it gets out of hand? Wait until he hits someone? Or should they just tackle him? Maybe he breaks a wrist or ankle? Maybe someone gets hurt chasing or wrestling someone. Why should the police take that risk? Who are you to question what risks that police officer should have taken? So he chases the person tackles him, separatees his shoulder and can't work for 6 months. Is that better?

So it's better that someone gets hurt so a criminals rights are protected?

That's what we are saying here?

guitarman
May 10, 2010, 10:10 AM
Why not? The point is, people cry on and on about the police and the military and how they shouldn't be using exessive force or should be fighting some war somewhere, but give me a break, if the unrully fan hurt someone in the process those same people would be crying "where were the police to stop that".

Are they supposed to wait until it gets out of hand? Wait until he hits someone? Or should they just tackle him? Maybe he breaks a wrist or ankle? Maybe someone gets hurt chasing or wrestling someone. Why should the police take that risk? Who are you to question what risks that police officer should have taken? So he chases the person tackles him, separatees his shoulder and can't work for 6 months. Is that better?

So it's better that someone gets hurt so a criminals rights are protected?

That's what we are saying here?

Where does it all end. The next thing you know they'll be killing someone with a taser thats ranting a little in an airport because they don't understand his language. Oh wait....
If thats the world you want then don't start whinning when we live in a country where police can do what they want with no one questioning them.

ontario
May 10, 2010, 10:32 AM
Why not? The point is, people cry on and on about the police and the military and how they shouldn't be using exessive force or should be fighting some war somewhere, but give me a break, if the unrully fan hurt someone in the process those same people would be crying "where were the police to stop that".

Are they supposed to wait until it gets out of hand? Wait until he hits someone? Or should they just tackle him? Maybe he breaks a wrist or ankle? Maybe someone gets hurt chasing or wrestling someone. Why should the police take that risk? Who are you to question what risks that police officer should have taken? So he chases the person tackles him, separatees his shoulder and can't work for 6 months. Is that better?

So it's better that someone gets hurt so a criminals rights are protected?

That's what we are saying here?

Giving security forces carte blanche to do whatever they want to control the "criminals" is the very essence of Facism.

pillpickleson
May 10, 2010, 10:42 AM
Why not? The point is, people cry on and on about the police and the military and how they shouldn't be using exessive force or should be fighting some war somewhere, but give me a break, if the unrully fan hurt someone in the process those same people would be crying "where were the police to stop that".

Are they supposed to wait until it gets out of hand? Wait until he hits someone? Or should they just tackle him? Maybe he breaks a wrist or ankle? Maybe someone gets hurt chasing or wrestling someone. Why should the police take that risk? Who are you to question what risks that police officer should have taken? So he chases the person tackles him, separatees his shoulder and can't work for 6 months. Is that better?

So it's better that someone gets hurt so a criminals rights are protected?

That's what we are saying here?

The guy was heckling a golfer, the other guy was running around a football field like come on criminals......I think we are getting a little to freaked out to be tasering guys for heckling or streaking. It has happened forever but no one ever got tasered you escort them out if you can't catch them with you FBI agents and undercover security guards you got the problem. If he was hurt in anyway he could sue their a$$e$

Golden Bear
May 10, 2010, 12:31 PM
Can someone please change this thread title? I recorded Golf Central last night and I haven't watched it yet. The thread title spoiled the news for me.

AjaxGolf
May 10, 2010, 01:32 PM
The guy was heckling a golfer, the other guy was running around a football field like come on criminals......I think we are getting a little to freaked out to be tasering guys for heckling or streaking. It has happened forever but no one ever got tasered you escort them out if you can't catch them with you FBI agents and undercover security guards you got the problem. If he was hurt in anyway he could sue their a$$e$


Yet when the drunken fans attack some one, if you remember the Kansas City Royals, first Base Coach getting pummeled, you would be asking where are the cops and how could they let this happen. Your ticket to an event does not give you the right to enter the field of play, or be an A$$hole to those around you.

Kace
May 10, 2010, 01:37 PM
Can someone please change this thread title? I recorded Golf Central last night and I haven't watched it yet. The thread title spoiled the news for me.

Golf Central was on last night? Thanks a lot...way to ruin the surprise of finding out it was on.

michaeljreid
May 10, 2010, 01:38 PM
Not sure how to do multiple quotes, so I guess I won't.

Im not saying give free reign to security services, or anything of that nature. There are guidelines in place and the officers of both incidents (actually I think there was a 3rd) acted within those guidelines. there are review committees set up for just these situations.

Everyone seems to be pointing at the officer blaming him for not running faster or acting inappropriately. The fact is, looking at the guidelines he did act appropriately.

When is the right time to use a taser? When he is about to seriously injure someone? Isn't that when deadly force should be used?

Can we really ask officers to make a split second decision on whether something is life threatening or not without some forgiveness on non-lethal side?

We don't have much information on what the "heckler" did or said? Only that it got worse towards the police. So when is it appropropriate?

No one is saying free reign for police on any person walking around. I'm saying the guidelines for their actions allow for the use of tasers when someone is being unruly. The guy resisted arrest so he got tasered. I'm missing your arguements here? Resisting arrest is huge issue. He wasn't tasered for heckling. He wasn't tasered for trash talking. He was being asked to leave, he wouldn't so they tried to take him into custody to arrest him and he resisted? If his struggles warrented a taser submission, shouldn't we allow our officers to work within the guidelines?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but resisting arrest is not heckling. So please don't use an arguement that he has been tasered for heckling is just false.

Golden Bear
May 10, 2010, 02:12 PM
Golf Central was on last night? Thanks a lot...way to ruin the surprise of finding out it was on.
Actually, it probably wasn't -- Live from the Players would have been on and I don't think there is a Golf Central when there's a "Live from." But I was being a condescending smartass, and wasn't worried about facts. :D

guitarman
May 10, 2010, 02:18 PM
But I was being a condescending smartass, and wasn't worried about facts. :D

Is that your M.O.?:D

ontario
May 10, 2010, 02:44 PM
Can someone please change this thread title? I recorded Golf Central last night and I haven't watched it yet. The thread title spoiled the news for me.

You're kidding right? Maybe the entire Internet should be edited to suit your viewing habits.

You just had to open Yahoo or CNN or MSN or Google News and you saw the TPC Taser headline.

Bern
May 10, 2010, 02:48 PM
You're kidding right? Maybe the entire Internet should be edited to suit your viewing habits.

You just had to open Yahoo or CNN or MSN or Google News and you saw the TPC Taser headline.


I think Golden Bear is being facetious, it's in reference to the "Clark Wins" thread.

Golden Bear
May 10, 2010, 02:49 PM
You're kidding right?
Yes, I am. See the "Clark Wins" thread.

Golden Bear
May 10, 2010, 02:49 PM
Is that your M.O.?:DOnly when I'm bored.

ontario
May 10, 2010, 02:52 PM
Excellent points made in Calgary Herald on this issue:

"Mounties can now only reasonably use stun guns if the suspect is being physically combative or threatening physical harm."

"Stun guns are not to be used if a suspect is collapsed on the ground or running away from police"

The most important point is the last paragraph:

"Bad policy leads to bad decisions, as the incident at the Philadelphia baseball game so aptly illustrates. Taser use should leave little room for officer judgment, because too often that judgment is clouded."

While I'm sure most cops are sensible and intelligent, I prefer to have clear policies over on-the-fly judgment calls.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/Shocking+Taser/3005226/story.html#ixzz0nYeSx6gc

ontario
May 10, 2010, 02:56 PM
Yes, I am. See the "Clark Wins" thread.

Okay, I just caught up quickly with that thread. Pretty funny, dat.

guitarman
May 10, 2010, 03:02 PM
"Mounties can now only reasonably use stun guns if the suspect is being physically combative or threatening physical harm."

"Stun guns are not to be used if a suspect is collapsed on the ground or running away from police"


Thats great news. Thats exactly the scenario they should be used for.

wlorcb
May 10, 2010, 03:17 PM
Without having actually seen any footage of the golf fan "resisting arrest", I will throw this out there.
The police will routinely add resist arrest and assault police onto any actual charges if you do anything that upsets them. Point your finger at a cop, and get jostled into him, that's assault police. Question why they are taking you away and stand your ground for a nano second and that's resist arrest. The actual charges may be thrown out or acquited on, but they have you on those 2, and they know it.