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Fore Play
Jul 22, 2010, 09:52 AM
The giant headline on the cover of today's Toronto Sun says "Is Mike Weir Washed Up?"

Wow

I am one of the first people to take shots at the Weir apologists who feel he should never be criticized for anything...............but in my opinion the Sun went a bit too far today in an attempt to sell newspapers

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 09:58 AM
That's a bit much, I'm harsh on Mike but saying something in Convo and calling out a Great Canadian on the front page of a tabloid masquerading as a newspaper is a little different.

It is about time some of the media started questioning Mike, but that is going way over and above realistic in my opinion.

froghammer
Jul 22, 2010, 10:20 AM
Leave it to the Sun to do something ridiculous and harsh like that. Cripes.

Golden Bear
Jul 22, 2010, 10:26 AM
The Sun is a reprehensible paper. They don't have a large readership (dead last in Toronto), so they try to shout at people with their front page. It's the only part of their crummy paper that gets read.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 10:28 AM
That and the sunshine girl....which I do not understand at all...

In the internet era where porn is literally throw at us...what skeezies wait for that crappy picture of some not very attractive girl in jean shorts?

Malibook
Jul 22, 2010, 11:45 AM
Weir is 118 on the money list and sinking fast and he could easily lose his card.

I think it is a very legitimate question.

The title is not, Mike Weir Is Washed Up. :rolleyes:

Ignatius Reilly
Jul 22, 2010, 12:09 PM
That's a bit much, I'm harsh on Mike but saying something in Convo and calling out a Great Canadian on the front page of a tabloid masquerading as a newspaper is a little different.

It is about time some of the media started questioning Mike, but that is going way over and above realistic in my opinion.

"I feel like I'm close..." HA
"Nice to see someone other than Rubinstein still drinking weirsy's cool-aid"
"in his prime when he was as good an iron striker as anyone, he was a headcase and couldn't win from the lead"

Given what you said in the other Weir thread (above), I'm surprised you find the Sun's headline harsh. "drinking weirsy's cool-aid"? You're implying that Weir is being dishonest or deceitful in some way.

For sure he has peaked and his best years are past - but I don't get why some people take this as a personal insult. He is what he is.

From what I see, he's the best Canadian golfer in our history - with 3 wins in one season, a major to his name, number 11 in career earnings. And was 5th and 6th in his two best years in an era where 1st place wasn't available to mortals...

Regardless, the Sun is awful in every way.

CUBSFAN
Jul 22, 2010, 12:14 PM
Leave it to the Sun to do something ridiculous and harsh like that. Cripes.

Agreed, not surprised.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 12:15 PM
Yea...he still says he is at that point or close. If you believe that you are crazy.

That does not diminish that he is the only Canadian to ever win a major. I take issue with Mike Weir's lack of responsibility for his diminishing game then I do take issue with it. He was a really great player there for a few years, now he is not. He has done more to grow the game in Canada than anyone, but he has also taken alot back from it and possibly could have made more of his talent had he not been focusing so much on other ventures.

That being said in the history of the PGA tour he will go down as a very average player and one of the one major wonders.

froghammer
Jul 22, 2010, 12:20 PM
Agreed, not surprised.

Us hogan iron guys think alike. Haha.

"The Toronto Sun. Keeping it classy at a grade 3 reading level since 1971"

Golden Bear
Jul 22, 2010, 02:29 PM
Weir is 118 on the money list and sinking fast and he could easily lose his card.

I think it is a very legitimate question.

It's a legitimate question in the context of an article about Weir or the Canadian Open.

It's an a-hole question for the front page of a newspaper. The Sun doesn't pose the question on the front page because they think it's the most important news item of the day. They do it because they lack integrity.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 02:35 PM
+1 on this. But then again Journalistic integrity is not the sun's forte.

Weir just chipped in for Eagle on 9 to go back to even par after an uninspiring front....excellent chip from pin high short side though.


It's a legitimate question in the context of an article about Weir or the Canadian Open.

It's an a-hole question for the front page of a newspaper. The Sun doesn't pose the question on the front page because they think it's the most important news item of the day. They do it because they lack integrity.

CUBSFAN
Jul 22, 2010, 03:36 PM
Us hogan iron guys think alike. Haha.

"The Toronto Sun. Keeping it classy at a grade 3 reading level since 1971"

LOL :D

froghammer
Jul 22, 2010, 03:41 PM
It's a legitimate question in the context of an article about Weir or the Canadian Open.

It's an a-hole question for the front page of a newspaper. The Sun doesn't pose the question on the front page because they think it's the most important news item of the day. They do it because they lack integrity.

That's it exactly. I think you've nailed what we're all thinking but can't put into words quite like you did.

RobertThompson
Jul 22, 2010, 05:46 PM
What other "ventures?" I call BS on this because I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

Yea...he still says he is at that point or close. If you believe that you are crazy.

That does not diminish that he is the only Canadian to ever win a major. I take issue with Mike Weir's lack of responsibility for his diminishing game then I do take issue with it. He was a really great player there for a few years, now he is not. He has done more to grow the game in Canada than anyone, but he has also taken alot back from it and possibly could have made more of his talent had he not been focusing so much on other ventures.

That being said in the history of the PGA tour he will go down as a very average player and one of the one major wonders.

Bentley01
Jul 22, 2010, 05:53 PM
What other "ventures?" I call BS on this because I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

I'm of the same mind. It's not like he stomps on the grapes to make the wine. His charitable ventures would be no more onerous than any golfer's sponsorship responsibilities.

Who knows what has disrupted his game? It could be the growing length of courses, which puts a bit more pressure on Mike to hit the ball farther. Maybe that extra oomph is making him a bit more erratic than he was in his prime. Hope he figures it out. He's a heck of a nice guy!

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 06:01 PM
Ya you are right, his only income is golf. We have all read about your love of Mike, Robert...we get it.


What other "ventures?" I call BS on this because I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

dekker
Jul 22, 2010, 06:14 PM
live and learn, and I heard it was only the Aussies that crap all over their bright stars in order to keep them humble and ordinaire:rofl:

I think the Sun is attempting Reverse Psychology 101 and hoping to fire him up.
I could be wrong because its difficult to tell with a headline as subtle as a brick between the eyes.

sharkhark
Jul 22, 2010, 06:22 PM
very unclassy and just to get attention, which it did. i passed a box and locked onto the headline..so i guess mission accomplished...but if i was mike..would i even speak to a to Sun reporter in future?
no

do i think he is washed up? well...yeah...i do. he could win a washed out LA course...some day in future..but contend? not really...just earn a paycheque...etc.

but that is still not the way to promote your paper and he is the most visible cdn golfer and its a sad way to get a reaction.

RobertThompson
Jul 22, 2010, 07:41 PM
Nope, that's a cop out. You made the comment -- back up your words. What distractions are you talking about?

Do I think he's playing well. No. Was he pissy with the reporters tonight? Yes. But who do you think is more disappointed about his play -- you or him?

I think you can make a lot of remarks about a person, but to question their work ethic is a bit much. I know a lot about him -- he's a lot of things and far from perfect. But he does work hard. Family and golf, and some occasional fly fishing. There isn't much more.

So, once again, instead of throwing it back at me -- explain yourself or apologize and move on.

Ya you are right, his only income is golf. We have all read about your love of Mike, Robert...we get it.

hogannut
Jul 22, 2010, 07:55 PM
It's a legitimate question in the context of an article about Weir or the Canadian Open.

It's an a-hole question for the front page of a newspaper. The Sun doesn't pose the question on the front page because they think it's the most important news item of the day. They do it because they lack integrity.

Exactly......what does the "average" guy do in a variety store when they see a copy of The Sun? Turn to the last page and check out the girl, that is all the paper is worth IMO, unless you are looking for a sale on electronic equipment, then it is better than Craig's List.

Agree too GB, whether Mike has seen his best years or not, you don't ask the question on the front page of the paper when your national open is going on, and we are all rooting for Mike to do well.

You wonder why the guys snap at reporters these days, it is because the questions being asked and the articles being written are 90% sensationalism and 10% journalism. I'd tell the a$$holes too that I am not going to contribute to their tabloid rag paper.

Ignatius Reilly
Jul 22, 2010, 08:04 PM
Yea...he still says he is at that point or close. If you believe that you are crazy.

That does not diminish that he is the only Canadian to ever win a major. I take issue with Mike Weir's lack of responsibility for his diminishing game then I do take issue with it. He was a really great player there for a few years, now he is not. He has done more to grow the game in Canada than anyone, but he has also taken alot back from it and possibly could have made more of his talent had he not been focusing so much on other ventures.

That being said in the history of the PGA tour he will go down as a very average player and one of the one major wonders.

It doesn't really matter whether I believe he is at that point or not. I think he believes he is still competitive - which is a key mindset to be in before a competition.

I don't agree with your assertion of his "lack of responsibility for his diminishing game". Has he blamed others for his decline? He IS aging, you know.

Finally - your final sentence is really... just pissy. To call him a very average player, and a one major wonder is just wrong. 11th on the career money list isn't average. And the average player has less than one major. He's done more than you or I have in golf. I think he comes out to win every time - but there is only one winner per tournament - are the other 139 or so players all losers?

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 08:10 PM
Fair enough Robert, I am sorry If I did not want to totally address your point while on the bus on my iphone. Perhaps in my haste to make my type my comment, I used the wrong wording(unfortunately I am not paid to talk golf, I am jealous of you there). I did not mean to imply he was so much distracted by other ventures as propped up. I agree with everything that Bentley01 said regarding his involvement, but through his immense popularity he was able to become financially stable and his place in canadian golf history so secure, that in my opinion he lost his mental strength, which was not his strong point in the first place. I hope I have clarified my point, but I wont apologize since I feel like all he had to do was say "listen guys im not playing great" and treat you in the media and the fans with respect. Honestly Robert, how many times have you heard from his own mouth how close he was and did it get tiring to hear?

P.S. I as well have met Mike numerous times in relatively Personal settings, he's a very nice guy and great ambassador for Canadian golf. If I implied otherwise i'm sorry for that.



Nope, that's a cop out. You made the comment -- back up your words. What distractions are you talking about?

Do I think he's playing well. No. Was he pissy with the reporters tonight? Yes. But who do you think is more disappointed about his play -- you or him?

I think you can make a lot of remarks about a person, but to question their work ethic is a bit much. I know a lot about him -- he's a lot of things and far from perfect. But he does work hard. Family and golf, and some occasional fly fishing. There isn't much more.

So, once again, instead of throwing it back at me -- explain yourself or apologize and move on.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 08:16 PM
Ignatius, there are hundred of tour players that play every year, most of them to be forgot in the history of Golf. As far as the money list comment that is misleading. Purses have risen like crazy over the years and those statistics do not last very long once a player stops playing. When people tlak about the great tour players, or people across the world hear the name Mike Weir 20 years from now they will think "that guy was pretty good for a few years"

Jambo
Jul 22, 2010, 08:20 PM
Look... Arnold Palmer is washed up, Jack Nicklaus is washed up... but do you think Americans would spend any time embarassing and tearing down their greatest players ever? Or would they celebrate their accomplishments and applaud them everytime they tee it up, even if their skills have diminished.
No Canadian has ever accomplished what Mike Weir has in the game of golf, none have really come close (maybe Knudson and Streit). And no Canadian may ever match Mike Weir's record. The fact is, Mike Weir has been one of the top 10 to 15 players in the world in the Tiger Woods era, he's 12th all-time on the money list.
Maybe it's a Toronto media thing, rip the best player Canada has ever produced. Maybe that's why their pro teams are such perenniel losers and no pro athlete wants to play in Toronto. The Leafs all-time leading scorer was reviled by Toronto fans for not waiving his no trade clause and the Raptors all-time leading scorer is reviled for leaving town to try and actually win, despite playing well for 7 years in Toronto. Loyalty is a two way street and Toronto media and fans treat the great athletes like dirt once they have no use for them any more. And that's why Toronto remains loserville in the world of sports.

northernpro
Jul 22, 2010, 08:21 PM
the assumption that he is finished is a fair statement but not respectful
on the front page

WILL
Jul 22, 2010, 08:23 PM
It would be a shame to see MW not win a Cdn Open at some point. I often wonder if he wouldn't charish a Cdn Open as much as his Masters.

That said, I think there are some Canadian players today that are amazing. It suprises me a lot that they don't contend in this championship.

Do they just want it too much ?? Cause I know first hand ... that wanting it too much can ruin your chances.

WILL
Jul 22, 2010, 08:25 PM
Look... Arnold Palmer is washed up, Jack Nicklaus is washed up... but do you think Americans would spend any time embarassing and tearing down their greatest players ever? Or would they celebrate their accomplishments and applaud them everytime they tee it up, even if their skills have diminished.
No Canadian has ever accomplished what Mike Weir has in the game of golf, none have really come close (maybe Knudson and Streit). And no Canadian may ever match Mike Weir's record. The fact is, Mike Weir has been one of the top 10 to 15 players in the world in the Tiger Woods era, he's 12th all-time on the money list.



Well said. :clap:

golfer437
Jul 22, 2010, 08:34 PM
The sun makes me laugh. Not only a stupid front page, but usually an ugly or close to ugly Sunshine girl.......

As for the greatest Canadian Golf= Moe Norman.....Hands down

Jambo
Jul 22, 2010, 08:40 PM
You can e-mail Steve Buffery here...

steve.buffery@sunmedia.ca <steve.buffery@sunmedia.ca>

You can e-mail Toronto Sun editorial here...

torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca <torsun.editor@sunmedia.ca>

These guys have embarrassed and insulted the best golfer Canada has produced on the opening day of the Canadian Open... presumably to sell a few extra papers.

RobertThompson
Jul 22, 2010, 08:56 PM
Fair enough. Didn't mean to be harsh.

I think Mike says he's close because in order to compete at that level, he has to believe that. If he doesn't believe it he may as well pack it in. Even when he knows it not to be true, I think he has to try to convince himself it is true.

You are right -- he has made a lot of money off the course.

Today he said his round was lousy. There was no discussion of being close -- he had the hooks and blocks. It didn't look like much fun.

Fair enough Robert, I am sorry If I did not want to totally address your point while on the bus on my iphone. Perhaps in my haste to make my type my comment, I used the wrong wording(unfortunately I am not paid to talk golf, I am jealous of you there). I did not mean to imply he was so much distracted by other ventures as propped up. I agree with everything that Bentley01 said regarding his involvement, but through his immense popularity he was able to become financially stable and his place in canadian golf history so secure, that in my opinion he lost his mental strength, which was not his strong point in the first place. I hope I have clarified my point, but I wont apologize since I feel like all he had to do was say "listen guys im not playing great" and treat you in the media and the fans with respect. Honestly Robert, how many times have you heard from his own mouth how close he was and did it get tiring to hear?

P.S. I as well have met Mike numerous times in relatively Personal settings, he's a very nice guy and great ambassador for Canadian golf. If I implied otherwise i'm sorry for that.

ace in the hazard
Jul 22, 2010, 08:58 PM
Look... Arnold Palmer is washed up, Jack Nicklaus is washed up... but do you think Americans would spend any time embarassing and tearing down their greatest players ever? Or would they celebrate their accomplishments and applaud them everytime they tee it up, even if their skills have diminished.
No Canadian has ever accomplished what Mike Weir has in the game of golf, none have really come close (maybe Knudson and Streit). And no Canadian may ever match Mike Weir's record. The fact is, Mike Weir has been one of the top 10 to 15 players in the world in the Tiger Woods era, he's 12th all-time on the money list.


+10. I like watching him play and will always cheer for him. His short game is still great and he's good canadian content in the skins game...even if his wine does suck :)

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 09:06 PM
I think if maybe he had leveled with himself a little more...instead of sometimes blaming other forces, he could have made some mental changes and probably swing changes to stay at the level(or close to it) that he was in 03. I was not commenting about today, I didn't hear what he said since I was not in the scrum:( lol. From what I saw of his round, other than a good stretch, he really struggled and seemed to be in pain. I thought he was lagging with his upper body all day...but that is probably due to the injury. Glad we have cleared up that misunderstanding.



Fair enough. Didn't mean to be harsh.

I think Mike says he's close because in order to compete at that level, he has to believe that. If he doesn't believe it he may as well pack it in. Even when he knows it not to be true, I think he has to try to convince himself it is true.

You are right -- he has made a lot of money off the course.

Today he said his round was lousy. There was no discussion of being close -- he had the hooks and blocks. It didn't look like much fun.

Bellyhungry
Jul 22, 2010, 09:42 PM
Weir can say whatever he wants, you can choose to follow along or not.

He does not owe you, you do not owe him.

Is this another one of those 'because-Weir-is-a-public-figure-and-built-his fortune-on-his-'public-persona', therefore-the-'public'-are-entitled-to-know-the-truth' businesses?

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 09:46 PM
Nope, just my opinions. Not sure where I implied he owed me.

Not delving into his personal life, questioning his mental strength on the golf course.

Do you think that is unfair?

Bellyhungry
Jul 22, 2010, 10:00 PM
Nope, just my opinions. Not sure where I implied he owed me.

Not delving into his personal life, questioning his mental strength on the golf course.

Do you think that is unfair?

No, not unfair. Just putting things into perspectives.

Weir is the most accomplished professional golfer this country have ever produced. He single-handedly put Canada on the map of professional golf in the last 10 years. I think he deserve our support rather than be put on a hot seat.

Without him, we will be asking questions of 'Why can't Canada produce a winner on the PGA Tour', let alone a Major winner in the last decade.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 10:06 PM
no worries. I have a ton of respect for his accomplishments on the course. For the first part of 2003, he was as good as anyone in the world and has been a very consistent pga tour top 50 player for a decade. That doesn't mean he's won nearly as much as he could or maybe should have or played up to his total potential. To also put things in perspective, there are few players without a handful of majors that have the fan base, marketing reach or off course earning potential that Mike does. Or the bank account for that matter. I enjoy the discussion and these forums are the perfect place for it :)

Bellyhungry
Jul 22, 2010, 10:11 PM
no worries. I have a ton of respect for his accomplishments on the course. For the first part of 2003, he was as good as anyone in the world and has been a very consistent pga tour top 50 player for a decade. That doesn't mean he's won nearly as much as he could or maybe should have or played up to his total potential. To also put things in perspective, there are few players without a handful of majors that have the fan base, marketing reach or off course earning potential that Mike does. Or the bank account for that matter. I enjoy the discussion and these forums are the perfect place for it :)

Now you lost me.

What does his earning have to do with this?

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 10:16 PM
Can't speak for Mike, but some guys lose interest once their financial future is secure and some guys just lose that edge that was driving them all those years. I'd even say there were players whose decided to focus on business more then playing towards the end of their careers..Greg Norman for one. Just a theory. Like I have said all along...I feel like he has lost his mental edge.


Now you lost me.

What does his earning have to do with this?

Ignatius Reilly
Jul 22, 2010, 10:21 PM
Ignatius, there are hundred of tour players that play every year, most of them to be forgot in the history of Golf. As far as the money list comment that is misleading. Purses have risen like crazy over the years and those statistics do not last very long once a player stops playing. When people tlak about the great tour players, or people across the world hear the name Mike Weir 20 years from now they will think "that guy was pretty good for a few years"

Ha! - I was afraid you'd link Mike's total earnings to Tiger's influence on purses. Because, of course, it's true. Inflation too...

You are right in many ways - he will be a guy that was pretty good for a few years. So what's wrong with that? I inferred that you were saying he was deceitful, or not trying - and that's what I had trouble with. He is a very good golfer, the best in our history. But he's no match for Tiger, or Jack, or phil or even Vijay for that matter. He is who he is - and that's pretty damned good.

par72
Jul 22, 2010, 10:35 PM
purses risen like crazy=tiger+inflation

deceitful only with himself and standoffish with fans and media.

no problems with what you say, although people will argue knudson or norman as greatest canadian golfer. his legacy is his and whether it could or should have been better is for him to live with. He was/is a great golfer. All the maple leafs are great hockey players...the team still sucks and ill still complain about them lol :rofl:

i'm tired...hope i didnt offend anyone and weir gets healthy and finds his form.

Ha! - I was afraid you'd link Mike's total earnings to Tiger's influence on purses. Because, of course, it's true. Inflation too...

You are right in many ways - he will be a guy that was pretty good for a few years. So what's wrong with that? I inferred that you were saying he was deceitful, or not trying - and that's what I had trouble with. He is a very good golfer, the best in our history. But he's no match for Tiger, or Jack, or phil or even Vijay for that matter. He is who he is - and that's pretty damned good.

PingGolfer
Jul 22, 2010, 11:04 PM
The giant headline on the cover of today's Toronto Sun says "Is Mike Weir Washed Up?"
Wow


I think most people think of the Toronto Sun as a Low Brow article rag.
This is the type of article I think highlights the low brow nature of the commentary. Newspapers are in decline and lame headlines such as this are a crude tool to try to sell papers. Lame. Will never buy Toronto Sun.

http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files/2008-october/ThumbsDown.jpg

Here's the NationalPost's comment on the horrible article (not that they are a reliable source either but).

And that was that, and it made for a lousy day for Canadian golf’s patron saint. He had awoken to find the Toronto Sun had taken a perfectly reasonable article noting his recent decline in play — he is 118th on the PGA money list this year, his driving distance numbers continue to erode in an era of bombers, he has missed the cut in four of his last six events, he hasn’t won a tournament since 2007 — and torqued it all the way up to 11.
Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/watching+Weir+rough/3311195/story.html#ixzz0uTUMt2Dj



I am one of the first people to take shots at the Weir apologists who feel he should never be criticized for anything...............but in my opinion the Sun went a bit too far today in an attempt to sell newspapers

For sure.

ace in the hazard
Jul 22, 2010, 11:19 PM
the sun doesn't report the news, they sell soap.

Bentley01
Jul 22, 2010, 11:23 PM
the sun doesn't report the news, they sell soap.

I thought they sold electronics!:confused::D

PingGolfer
Jul 23, 2010, 01:01 AM
I thought they sold rub and tugs.

Albert Hacker
Jul 23, 2010, 02:35 AM
Talent-wise no, but the guy wakes up in the morning and what's his focus? It's on the latest label for his next bottle of wine, it's a call to marketing for new distribution areas etc... I think golf has gone to the back-burner.

grasbunkers
Jul 23, 2010, 08:16 AM
his driving distance and driving accuracy are both ranked over 100th on tour, your going to struggle with those numbers

however not much different than steve stricker about 4-5 yrs ago, he has a chance to be back,

Malibook
Jul 23, 2010, 12:31 PM
Weir down but not out

Sun golf columnist Hutchinson says Beezer had it all wrong yesterday


Stats and numbers very often fail to recognize the intangible qualities that make somebody such as Mike Weir the Canadian icon that he is today with proceedings underway at the 2010 RBC Canadian Open.
Three years ago, I made the same mistake as Beezer, the crusty curmudgeon of the sports department, where they dusted him off and sent him out to St. George’s Golf and Country Club on Wednesday. Beez thought he had a pearl when he revealed something yesterday that Weir has been discussing for months.
The “diminishing results and deteriorating statistics” that he wrote about are all part of a struggle this season, which Weir readily admits, but as Beez is known to do, he took it a hop, skip and jump beyond that by predicting that Weir is fading, apparently because he’s now 40 and feeling the effects of tendinitis.
There was no hint of the end of Weir’s storied career by Canadian standards when I suggested that he had not earned his way on to the International team for the 2007 Presidents Cup, even though captain Gary Player had made Weir a pick to play at Royal Montreal.
In theory, I was correct because the numbers clearly stated that Weir was struggling then just as he is now, but he had played a role in getting one of golf’s premier events to Canada and Player had recognized the importance of his presence to the home town crowd, so the naming of Weir had some politics to it.
Then, Weir showed that numbers can be deceiving as he became arguably the best player on either team in Montreal and capped off that performance with a great Canadian sporting moment, his memorable Sunday singles victory over the pre-scandal Tiger Woods.
If that wasn’t enough to indicate that Weir hadn’t faded at that point, he won his first event in over three years that fall at the Fry’s Electronics Open. Suddenly, his career was back on track and there really is no reason why deja vu can’t occur despite the predictions of Armageddon for his career by Beezer.
Here we sit in the same situation three years later and Beez is being sucked into the same traps I did back then by taking too much stock in the numbers, especially 40, as if that age is a magic bullet that strikes down PGA Tour players.
Tell that to Vijay Singh, who has won 22 times since turning 40, Jack Nicklaus who won the 1986 Masters at the age of 46, Tom Watson who nearly stole the British Open last year at 59, or Fred Couples, who was sixth at this year’s Masters at the age of 50.
It’s not as if Weir is denying his advancing years, but as time goes on, he is more dedicated to fitness and continues to try new things as he works on his game, which Beez sees as a desperation move. From here, that looks like doing what you have got to do to stay competitive.
Weir may not be a contender each week, but it isn’t outlandish to suggest he could go beyond the eight wins that ties him for the all-time lead among Canadians that he shares with the late George Knudson. Whether he’s able to play in the 2016 Olympics, one of his stated goals, let’s talk about that in four years.
As long as Weir is motivated, he has the credentials to be out there and, unlike team sports, he isn’t affecting anybody else but himself when he isn’t playing well.
So, I come not to bury Beez and definitely not to praise him because the fact is I have made the same mistake of going by the numbers only to have Weir rebound in spectacular fashion, which he is still capable of doing past his 40th birthday.
Motivation and desire are intangibles that will decide his fate over the black-and-white statistics that Beez used and everything that Weir has discussed this week indicates that he still has a full tank.


http://www.torontosun.com/sports/golf/2010/07/22/14798716.html

Bossman
Jul 23, 2010, 12:42 PM
No doubt Weir has accomplished wonderful things in the past, but at this point it seems he's not able to put four good rounds together. Has complacency taken over? Maybe he just doesn't have the fire in his belly any more. Perhaps the thought of Q School looming will motivate him (if in fact a lack of hunger is his problem). Not trying to be negative here - I'd love to see him return to his old form. Mikey, we miss you!

moneyjism
Jul 23, 2010, 12:49 PM
I thought they sold rub and tugs.

:rofl: