Course's You Don't Recommend

[Focker Singh]

We have lots of people talking about their favourite courses. How about some not so good courses that you would not recommend? Would be good to know so I don't waste my money there.

[Ego Woods]

Rolling Hills.....any of their courses.....way overpriced for prime time.....

Tam O'Shanter if you live outside of the GTA....too many hackers...doesn't feel like ur having any fun.....course kinda looks ghetto too

[Focker Singh]

Bloomington Downs...very busy as well and full of hackers...fairways aren't that nicely kept and greens are spotty...and I totally agree with Rolling Hills...got to be the worst Club Link course!!

[Mok]

i agree, rolling hills is a definite no-no, there are a couple courses just near by that are in the same price range...

[Ego Woods]

Richmond Hill GC is another one I heard....only a 3-star course, but they charge you as if it was a 4 or 5 star one........

[69_Iron]

The Golf course on Mccowan and 14th avenue. YOu have to hit through power lines the whole time. Not fun.

[Mok]

The Golf course on Mccowan and 14th avenue. YOu have to hit through power lines the whole time. Not fun.
that is Cresthaven my friend...

[Stablefordvet]

Lyndhurst is a course I would rate as below average. Not golfer friendly at all. I've played on courses that have narrow fairways but hearing "fore" at least 4 times a hole is not fun. The conditions weren't not the best and they don't allow beer on the course!:mad:

[Queen of the Beach]

I agree that Cresthaven and Rolling Hills are not good courses to play because everytime I'm there, I am stuck playing behind slow groups and the marshalls don't move things along. I think it all depends on what you want to get out of your golf day though. Do you want value? Do you want to be challenged? Do you want beautiful scenery and well kept greens? I disagree about Lyndhurst though. It is good value for my money because it has enough water and narrow fairways to pose a challenge for me. And the course is much better maintained.

[Stablefordvet]

I must have went on a bad day then cause I had the same problems you experienced at Rolling Hills and Cresthaven. On top of that, the distance markers were confusing at times. I was warned that the fairway conditioned was not the greatest but that the greens were immaculate. Unfortunately even the greens were bad most times.

[Ego Woods]

Unfortunately even the greens were bad most times.
Must've been run into the ground by hackers......pretty much the only thing I was really impressed about was the shape of their greens when I played there......

[LongestDrive]

The Golf course on Mccowan and 14th avenue. YOu have to hit through power lines the whole time. Not fun.

If you just want to play short irons, its a good practice course. Last time I played there, the owner's Jack Russell grabbed one of our balls.

[Mok]

If you just want to play short irons, its a good practice course. Last time I played there, the owner's Jack Russell grabbed one of our balls.
yah, the short irons will get a lot of use at Cresthaven, the thing that bothers me at Cresthaven is the greens actually, they are so badly kept! When you're putting beware!

[Skuller]

I'm not too fond of the 9 hole currather's creek.

[HackNSLice]

Cresthaven is a good practice for irons, but yes their greens are terrible! It's good for after a long day of work and you just want to get a a quick round in! As for Rolling hills I just think its a bit overpriced! But then most of the courses in the GTA have high green fees. BTW 1st post WEE! Too bad I signed up when our golf season is done.

[Mok]

Cresthaven is a good practice for irons, but yes their greens are terrible! It's good for after a long day of work and you just want to get a a quick round in! As for Rolling hills I just think its a bit overpriced! But then most of the courses in the GTA have high green fees. BTW 1st post WEE! Too bad I signed up when our golf season is done.
Welcome to the board HackNSlice,

Cresthaven: definitely good for irons and below standard greens!

Although golf season is winding down, this is a good place to find out new practice tips, hot golf deals and get your list of "must go to" courses!

[alien270]

Cresthaven is a good practice for irons, but yes their greens are terrible! It's good for after a long day of work and you just want to get a a quick round in! As for Rolling hills I just think its a bit overpriced! But then most of the courses in the GTA have high green fees. BTW 1st post WEE! Too bad I signed up when our golf season is done.cresthaven sucks its made for golfers like germaine and jerry
hack jobs

[LongestDrive]

Cresthaven does suck, but if you have nowhere else to play cuz you booked too late, it's better than nothing if you go early in the morning. If you play any later in the day, there's a high chance that you may get pinged off by a hacker.

[chiantibro]

By far, the worst course I have ever played is called Camisle, and it is located north of Burlington. Avoid.

[Andem]

As I said earlier, I lived in an area SURROUNDED by golf courses.. And one I wouldn't recommend is the Thornhill Country Club. Their piddly little course probably wouldn't meet any of your standards :)

[dachopstix]

Ohhh man, has no one played Unionville Golf Course before? It's located at Old Kennedy Sideroad, just South of Highway 7, just West of Kennedy. They also have a driving range there, but the course... Well, let's just say this - you can play it with only a PW and putter...

[Whoa Nelly]

Ohhh man, has no one played Unionville Golf Course before? It's located at Old Kennedy Sideroad, just South of Highway 7, just West of Kennedy. They also have a driving range there, but the course... Well, let's just say this - you can play it with only a PW and putter...
That's a par 3 course i believe... good for your short game i guess... :)

[Golf 4 Fun]

Ohhh man, has no one played Unionville Golf Course before? It's located at Old Kennedy Sideroad, just South of Highway 7, just West of Kennedy. They also have a driving range there, but the course... Well, let's just say this - you can play it with only a PW and putter...
It's a PAR 3, 18 holes. With less than 1900yards in total, it works out to about 105yds/hole. Go there to practice your approach shots. Also good if you only have 2 hours to spare.

[Golftool]

I have to agree with the Richmond Hill Course. Its short - youre dodging balls on most holes and the price is too high - not a spectacular layout. Problem with the price is that it is in a Wealthy neighbourhood so people in the area don't complain like they should.

[pudubny]

I want to defend places like Bloomington Down and Bushwood as great places for beginners to learn how to play. I know my girlfriend and her friends frequented those courses as beginners. Golf needs more places where beginners are welcome, won't loose 10 balls and are easy on the pocketbook. Now if we could keep the beginners on these courses rather than at Angus Glen, we would all be better off.
I have already posted that I don't like the layout at the Rock. I must say I don't care for Lionhead Legends either. I believe many of the holes are poorly designed. The Masters at Lionhead is better but the trendy "island green" par 5 redesign is a source of frustration. Bad! Bad! Bad! Now in defense of Ted Baker his layout at Royal Ontario is very good.
What usually makes me not recommend a course is poor service.
I onced played a 6:45 round at Maples of Ballantrae. I complained politely and was told "that's the way it is". I have heard from several golfers that 5 1/2 hours is not unusual there. Sorry, if I am 45 minutes behind on the tee and it still takes me 6 hours to get around and it is not my fault, you need to do something to get me back. A free bucket, lunch, anything. At least an apology. I don't return and don't recommend it. Shame, I think it is a good course with some interesting holes.
Another wonderful experience I once had was at Nobleton Lakes. A proshop employee interupted our conversaton to make an arogant comment. Our conversation was none of his business. We left immediately, we could not believe several other employees witnessed it and said nothing. Another shame, I think it is also a good course although don't get me started on the cart manditory policy. I have never been back.
If you have a bad experience at a golf course, tell the course. I let the course know in both cases and nothing was done. No apology, nothing.

Golf is a product, but it is also about service, and the courses that treat their customers poorly deserve to loose them.

Now, a good story, we were at Copper Creek when by some freak accident a wedding they had planned moved outdoors on their back patio. Well as we approached the third hole the wedding singer was in full stride and it was an ethnic wedding so the language was not English. It was so loud it became comical. We played through the screaming singer for about nine holes. When we walked off the 18th hole somebody was waiting to talk to us to offer an apology and give us a 9 hole credit. Needless to say we have been back several times. They understand service.
Tell your friends about your good experiences and your bad.
That is what I suggest.
Sorry for being longwinded.

[Golftool]

Pudubny - very good points! I have had similar experiences and would not EVER go back because of them.!

One such episode was at Lakeridge :mad: - We teed off at 2:45PM on June 16 (close to the longest day of the year) so we knew we were able to get 18 holes in. We walked of the 18th green at 9:50PM!!!! 7 hours to play a round of golf???!!!??? The problem was they loaded up the tee blocks. Waiting 10-15 minutes on every shot!! There was one group ahead of us that were true hackers in ever sense of the word. I don't think anyone in the group had less than a ten on any given hole!! We complained and wanted to play through - They refused to let us!!! We finally saw a marshall asked about the hold-up and was told there was nothing he could do - he explained management wants as many rounds as possible and if the wait was a problem too bad. We wanted our money back after 9 holes but pro shop refused:confused: (What??!!??):eek: They do not issue rain cheques. So we played the back 9 - mostly got drunk because there was nothing else to do to pass the time and myself and everyone else in our group & most people we have told have NEVER BEEN BACK IN 7 years!

Thanks Lakeridge for making a wonderful day into one of the most excrusiating moments of my life! You will never get my business again - or that of my friends and family!

Beware all who go there!!!:nono:

[pudubny]

Thanks Golftool.
It is not just because I have a bad experience I never return to a course. Any course or person can have a bad day. But when I take the time to call the following day or email the management, I expect a certain response. An apology, a explanation. When you play often, I played 80 rounds in 2004, you are going to see some funny stuff. It's the response. At least apppologize.
I usually wait until the following day to complain because I worry if I complain while I am still mad, I will not be polite.
Our group is always surprised when some course managers don't even return our calls or emails. Then we don't go back and we tell everyone we meet.
As for Lakeridge, sorry to hear about that. Our group likes Lakeview and have always been treated fairly well there. They have some drainage issues after rain but I like the course. I think #14 is one of the great par 4's in all of the GTA and the short par 3 8th is wonderful as well.
Thanks!
Pud.

[golferboy]

I agree with Richmond Hill....course is too short and too tight, and very overpriced. Last time I played there it was pretty dry.

[SW20 MR2]

I agree with pudubny. I am always amazed when serviced-based businesses are unwilling to make the customer happy. Would it really be a strain in any way to offer the customer another round of golf for free? Surely, the incremental cost of having another 4some on the course is next to nothing. You give the guy a free round to satisfy his complaint, and he will come back. You don't, and he never goes back and spreads the complaints around to friends/family. It's a no-brainer to me.

[malarky]

Another vote for Richmond Hill. It's a shame because it could have been a lot better.

The lack of length and the tightness don't bother me, but the few times I played there it was 4.5 hours+. Anywhere with consistently slow play = bad.

Plus, what's up with the driving range mat tee box? That's surely not a sign of a quality golf course.

Another place that always has slow play (probably because of heavy corporate usage) is Glen Cedars. I actually left after 3 hours ... had enough when we got to the 11th tee with 3 other groups waiting to hit before us. Ugh.

[East Coast Golfer]

in the Kingston are I say stay away from Glen Lawrence. On the net it advetises as one of the top 10 courses to play in EAstern Ontario. But it is horible. Has such potential, but the fairways where cut like the ruff at any ohter course. greens were slow as piss.

almost 40$ for that is so not worth it.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Mandatory carts are a joke for sure. What ever happened to golf being a gentleman's game and service being important. It seems as though every course is riding a high of the new popularity of the sport and they think service isn't necessary and they can charge whatever they want. Golf has become sooo expensive that everyone I know is playing less and less golf. Don't the course owners remember that 20 years ago they NEEDED members to survive. With the advent of ticket track and packages instead of memberships no one can afford to play as much as they used to and courses are full of hackers with no ettiquette. Courses all ram everyone in and stick a marshall up your *** all day to really bugger up your day.

[Grass Roots Tour]

Willow Valley is a great course ruined by the preople who run it. Way overpriced and they ram players through. My group went down to play a practice round for a Great Lakes Tour event. There were three of us that day and we chose to walk. We really never waited for the group in front of us but they never got out of sight either. A threesome with carts were up our butts and after 8 holes a marshall (looking wat more like a biker from Satan's choice) came over and rudely told us we were 5 minutes out of position. Here we are playing a course we've never seen before, trying to get the lay of the land for a tournament, walking, and keeping up with the group in front of us, and they have to complain rudely about being 5 minutes out of position??? Not my idea of a great place to play!! Too bad, nice course run by the greedy. I'll never go back!

[Golftool]

I thought I might give Willow Valley a try this year - It looks like a nice course and they have all kinds of coupons and discounts out there - are things really as bad as they sound there.???

Is it your advise to avoid this place Grassroots? Are there better times to play - or better days to go there?

Let me know
Thanks!

[wigler]

Golftool
Don't let another's experience stop you from trying a certain course. Give it a try and make your own decisions.
I am sure some people may be put off on a certain days, but overall the course must be doing something right.

I agree, it looks like a great course.

I am also in Newmarket. If you are looking for a partner, lets go (in a couple months..lol)

[dixongolfer]

in the Kingston are I say stay away from Glen Lawrence. On the net it advetises as one of the top 10 courses to play in EAstern Ontario. But it is horible. Has such potential, but the fairways where cut like the ruff at any ohter course. greens were slow as piss.

almost 40$ for that is so not worth it.ECG,

That claim has always been a bone of contention with me. I will tell you how it happened and you will get a kick out of it. I think it amounts to fraud when they state "Top ten course in Eastern Ontario as rated by Golf Digest."

Here's the deal - Golf Digest put's out a Place To Play publication. Every year they provide a list of courses and solicit golfers to write in and comment about courses. Well one year a few years back, some dude writes a comment that "Glen Lawrence is one of my top ten courses to play in Eastern Ontario." It gets in as part of the comments on the course and gradually the Ferguson clan who owns the Glen morph that into "Golf Digest rates it as one of the top 10 courses in Eastern Ontario." What a joke. IT WAS ONE GUYS COMMENT NOT GOLF DIGESTS!! And who knows, he may have only played ten courses in all his life and all in Eastern Ontario.

The course has an amazing piece of property an although the conditoning can be suspect I would still send people there to play in the fall or in the early morning. Still worth it but certainly NOT Top 10 in Eastern Ontario!!!

As for courses to avoid, Westbrook near Kingston (hard hats needed) and a real gem called Hamilton Bay:thumbs_do near Peterborough should be avoided.

[pudubny]

I tend to agree with Dixongolfer. Try it yourself, but keep in mind the experiences of others. I don't think we can expect every course to be on top of it's game every day. What I do expect is an appropriate reaction when I complain to the management.
If I get the brush-off, well then I don't go back.
As for Willow Valley, I have played it a few times and enjoyed it. Every green is at least two-tiered. Premium on putting.
Not everyone is going to like those greens, but I think it brings the course in balance.
Enjoy!

[Dormie]

uplands

don valley..........too busy........poor course conditions
parkview...........too busy.........poor design

[East Coast Golfer]

ECG,

That claim has always been a bone of contention with me. I will tell you how it happened and you will get a kick out of it. I think it amounts to fraud when they state "Top ten course in Eastern Ontario as rated by Golf Digest."

Here's the deal - Golf Digest put's out a Place To Play publication. Every year they provide a list of courses and solicit golfers to write in and comment about courses. Well one year a few years back, some dude writes a comment that "Glen Lawrence is one of my top ten courses to play in Eastern Ontario." It gets in as part of the comments on the course and gradually the Ferguson clan who owns the Glen morph that into "Golf Digest rates it as one of the top 10 courses in Eastern Ontario." What a joke. IT WAS ONE GUYS COMMENT NOT GOLF DIGESTS!! And who knows, he may have only played ten courses in all his life and all in Eastern Ontario.

The course has an amazing piece of property an although the conditoning can be suspect I would still send people there to play in the fall or in the early morning. Still worth it but certainly NOT Top 10 in Eastern Ontario!!!

As for courses to avoid, Westbrook near Kingston (hard hats needed) and a real gem called Hamilton Bay:thumbs_do near Peterborough should be avoided.
:rofl:

hilarious.. Yeah that course with a little TLC could be really nice. I like the layout, just the fariways were so thick and full of weeds and the greens were so bad. I thought 40$ was a little much on that day. I may go back though as they were sort of nice there.

The back 9 @ Loyalist in Bath is stupid as well. I feel like I am have a BBQ with 50 families. One erant tee shot and your lying 2 from someones front porch.

[laxgolf]

Willow Valley is a great course ruined by the preople who run it. Way overpriced and they ram players through. My group went down to play a practice round for a Great Lakes Tour event. There were three of us that day and we chose to walk. We really never waited for the group in front of us but they never got out of sight either. A threesome with carts were up our butts and after 8 holes a marshall (looking wat more like a biker from Satan's choice) came over and rudely told us we were 5 minutes out of position. Here we are playing a course we've never seen before, trying to get the lay of the land for a tournament, walking, and keeping up with the group in front of us, and they have to complain rudely about being 5 minutes out of position??? Not my idea of a great place to play!! Too bad, nice course run by the greedy. I'll never go back!
I've played Willow Valley a bunch of times and never had any problems whatsoever. You should give it another shot.

[snafu]

Annandale.. goat track
Seaton.. Waay over priced in relative comparison to other courses in the area.

[Greywolf]

Rolling Hills for sure, poor drainage, very slow play!!:( The company I work for has a tournament there each year, this year I won't play, that course sucks.

Century Pines, not worth $65 on weekends, better to go down the road 2 miles and play Flamborough Hills or Copetown Woods.

Cambridge Golf club, especially if there is a tournament going on, last time I was there they had a tournament go off both the 1st and 10th tees, we had to follow the tournament on the first nine. Got to the back nine and would have had to wait 1 hour before teeing off again.:(

[boss of the moss]

As I said earlier, I lived in an area SURROUNDED by golf courses.. And one I wouldn't recommend is the Thornhill Country Club. Their piddly little course probably wouldn't meet any of your standards :)
The Championship Course at Thornhill is almost 7000yds from the tips. You talking about the short course?

[Jaydog]

hy hope farm golf course...talk about cow pasture...literally. the price has actually gone down tho (m-th $14). if you can play during the week. it's an executive course.

[backnine39]

Pheasnat Run. They were too busy prepping the course for a tournament in the afternoon, they wouldn't stop for golfers who were currently playing. I have not been back there since this event happened 4 years Ago.

[962B]

In my books, Angus Glen is one of the biggest dumps you'll ever play. Take away the guy that's licking your boots before you pop your trunk and you're left with a golf course that is unimpressive.

Hello....you can hit your ball ANYWHERE there and still find it. Is that golf?

Another dump in the 962B Hall of Shame is Silver Lakes. Sure, it's in great shape, but it's boring as @#!!**^+!!. Why do I care that I had great lies if every par 4 looked the same? Slight dogleg, tree lined, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Want to hit some iron shots from every angle and lie? Go play Westviews back nines (27 holes) from the tips and cry to your Mama when you can't raise it from the middle of the fairway. They have the worst Pro shop reception in Southern Ontario, but the course is challenging.

I wouldn't play Angus Glen for $50. I wouldn't play Silver Lakes if somebody paid me $50. Is that too critical?:rolleyes:

[boss of the moss]

^^^^^Is Watson' s Glen still taking members for the 2005 season? You should join. If you need a sponsor let me know.

[pudubny]

In my books, Angus Glen is one of the biggest dumps you'll ever play. Take away the guy that's licking your boots before you pop your trunk and you're left with a golf course that is unimpressive.

Hello....you can hit your ball ANYWHERE there and still find it. Is that golf?

Another dump in the 962B Hall of Shame is Silver Lakes. Sure, it's in great shape, but it's boring as @#!!**^+!!. Why do I care that I had great lies if every par 4 looked the same? Slight dogleg, tree lined, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Want to hit some iron shots from every angle and lie? Go play Westviews back nines (27 holes) from the tips and cry to your Mama when you can't raise it from the middle of the fairway. They have the worst Pro shop reception in Southern Ontario, but the course is challenging.

I wouldn't play Angus Glen for $50. I wouldn't play Silver Lakes if somebody paid me $50. Is that too critical?:rolleyes:
962B,
Angus Glen a dump? Is their garbage all over the place? That may be a little harsh. While I don't think many people regard it as a beautiful golf course I do think it has several merits. Carrick created a balanced set-up, wide fairways giving golfers options off the tee but difficult around the greens. This is the same concept Mackenzie used when designing another famous course we worship every April. In fact Carrick has been very inspired by Makenzie. Make the golfer make a choice and use strategy to make it interesting. Holes 1, 4, 9, 10, 17 and 18 are all good examples of that concept and they are very interesting golf holes. The pros managed only -15 after 4 days. Because you can easily find your ball off the tee does not make it a bad course. Their is more than one way to make a course difficult and I strongly prefer the Augusta model Carrick tries to emulate on many of his designs.
As for Silver Lakes I agree that it can get a little dull after hole no. 13. I prefer some elevation and Silver lakes has none but it is a little tough on them to criticize them for having flat land. It was built over a swamp, which also explains why they have some of the greenest grass anywhere. I don't think you would like golf in Florida or southern Ontario. These areas also feature very flat terrain. That being said I think holes 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11, 13 and 18 are very good designs where a well executed strategy can reward players.
I don't love either course and I think both are overpriced at their regular rate. But I don't think they warrant the degree of criticism you have levelled against them as designs.
What makes a course interesting? What makes for good course design? What does challenge mean?
If you think Lionhead is a great course, I strongly disagree with you. If you think Augusta's back nine is the greatest stretch of nine holes anywhere, we have something to talk about.
Pud.

[Focker Singh]

Rolling Hills, Championship Course

Not worth two ****! Another cow pasture. The conditions are horrible there and I wouldn't pay to play there again. For a Clublink owned course I'm surprised its kept so poorly. The tee boxes are bare, muddy and uneven. The fairways are patchy and greens are bumpy with patches of clay with no grass. They should be charging $20 fee's and not $60.

[Mok]

I agree with you Focker Singh on the conditions of Rolling Hills...pretty crappy, especially for a Clublink owned course.

As for the price, I'm pretty sure they charge that much because there is always a demand for tee times there. If enough of us gets the word out about the ridiculous price of that course out then maybe when less people play there we'll get lowered green fees, until then, I'll stay away!

[backnine39]

In my books, Angus Glen is one of the biggest dumps you'll ever play. Take away the guy that's licking your boots before you pop your trunk and you're left with a golf course that is unimpressive.

Hello....you can hit your ball ANYWHERE there and still find it. Is that golf?

I wouldn't play Angus Glen for $50. I wouldn't play Silver Lakes if somebody paid me $50. Is that too critical?:rolleyes:
First off, I would like to know where you normally play to make such a claim that Angus Glen is a dump. Second, You probably played the North course where it's more of a links style course and wind was down when you played it, which you should consider yourself lucky. The South course is much tighter and more of a shotmakers course compared to the North. Third, you probably played from the wrong set of tees for your playing abilities, too far forward. Maybe you should have played from the Championship Tees.

So now I'm really curious, where do you normally play? Must be a great course to call AG a dump. You a member of The National Golf Club of Canada? St George? Tell us, I gots to know.

[GolfaLicious]

In my books, Angus Glen is one of the biggest dumps you'll ever play. Take away the guy that's licking your boots before you pop your trunk and you're left with a golf course that is unimpressive.

Hello....you can hit your ball ANYWHERE there and still find it. Is that golf?

Another dump in the 962B Hall of Shame is Silver Lakes. Sure, it's in great shape, but it's boring as @#!!**^+!!. Why do I care that I had great lies if every par 4 looked the same? Slight dogleg, tree lined, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Want to hit some iron shots from every angle and lie? Go play Westviews back nines (27 holes) from the tips and cry to your Mama when you can't raise it from the middle of the fairway. They have the worst Pro shop reception in Southern Ontario, but the course is challenging.

I wouldn't play Angus Glen for $50. I wouldn't play Silver Lakes if somebody paid me $50. Is that too critical?:rolleyes:First off, I would like to know where you normally play to make such a claim that Angus Glen is a dump. Second, You probably played the North course where it's more of a links style course and wind was down when you played it, which you should consider yourself lucky. The South course is much tighter and more of a shotmakers course compared to the North. Third, you probably played from the wrong set of tees for your playing abilities, too far forward. Maybe you should have played from the Championship Tees.

So now I'm really curious, where do you normally play? Must be a great course to call AG a dump. You a member of The National Golf Club of Canada? St George? Tell us, I gots to know.:owned: :clap: I wanna hear his answer also!

[Focker Singh]

In my books, Angus Glen is one of the biggest dumps you'll ever play. Take away the guy that's licking your boots before you pop your trunk and you're left with a golf course that is unimpressive.

Hello....you can hit your ball ANYWHERE there and still find it. Is that golf?


How is Angus Glen a dump? I played the North course last Wednesday and I thought it was in great condition considering they only opened a week and a half ago. Also, with the amount of rain last week the greens were still pretty fast and fairways dry. Yes, you could probably find your ball even if you duck hook your tee shots into the fescue but wait till the summer when it grows another 6 inches and then you'll think differently. It may not be a true links style course as some of the par 3's are rather short but that wind can really play some mean tricks on you. Like others said, where do you normally play to say that AG is a dump? Its not ranked top 15 in Ontario for no reason. :confused:

[Ems]

Foxbridge: the greens were not green! they were patchy with holes everywhere. I can see my line thanks to the grid that's created from all the holes!

[Queen of the Beach]

Gotta agree with Ems. I was very disappointed because the 10th hole (start of the South course) had a lush and green fairway. I was certain that the rest of the course would be beautiful. But the North course was patchy everywhere. At least a quarter of the fairways were GUR. The greens were so dry they were yellow. And the sand traps were hard as rock. If this course were well maintained then it would have been a beautiful course. The scenery around the holes were pretty sweet. Service was friendly at the Pro shop but the nice attitude and lousy conditions are not worth the price of $40 on a weekend.

[hahababa]

I really don't recommand Bloomington Downs, the courses are soso, but the people there totally don't have any manners!!! bad experience!:mad:

[wayland]

Foxbridge: the greens were not green! they were patchy with holes everywhere. I can see my line thanks to the grid that's created from all the holes!
Ems, that is what they do to maintain the greens. It's called aerating the greens. Every course does this at some point and it's effect is temporary. Only thing I hate is when they don't tell you about it when ur booking a time.

[wayland]

Regarding people's complaints about the high cost of Richmond Hill.

I don't think you'll find another comparable public course within the boundaries of GTA. It has nothing to do with being in a wealthy neighbourhood where the resident's don't care, it has to do with the fact that is on prime land and they charge a premium because you don't need to drive 35mins to get there. If you are getting off work and want to get an 18 in, good luck driving out to uxbridge, etc.

It's funny to hear ppl complain that it's short and too tight. Well doh! How else do you make up for the length and keep it challenging? The 18th (uphill par 5) finishing hole is killer though. Haven't played there in 3yrs at least b/c I also find it too pricey.

To not recommend this course based on price is inappropriate when you consider it's close proximity to the city.

[flitemedic911]

Angus Glen was and is built for tournaments not tour players. Soft slow greens, generous fairways. The last thing the owner wants is 7 hour rounds of golf on their over rated golf course.

Score magazine rates AG in the top twenty every year. Guess how many times Bob Weeks and staff play there every year? More than enough, with royal treatment I might add. Great advertising. Just because the price is outrageous doesn't make it a great golf course.

If you have $180 to burn.....play Royal Ontario twice!

[mikemakeitso]

Angus Glen was and is built for tournaments not tour players. Soft slow greens, generous fairways. The last thing the owner wants is 7 hour rounds of golf on their over rated golf course.

Score magazine rates AG in the top twenty every year. Guess how many times Bob Weeks and staff play there every year? More than enough, with royal treatment I might add. Great advertising. Just because the price is outrageous doesn't make it a great golf course.

If you have $180 to burn.....play Royal Ontario twice!
Good tip... ty

[pudubny]

Angus Glen was and is built for tournaments not tour players. Soft slow greens, generous fairways. The last thing the owner wants is 7 hour rounds of golf on their over rated golf course.

Score magazine rates AG in the top twenty every year. Guess how many times Bob Weeks and staff play there every year? More than enough, with royal treatment I might add. Great advertising. Just because the price is outrageous doesn't make it a great golf course.

If you have $180 to burn.....play Royal Ontario twice!
I wouldn't want to speak for Bob Weeks, but he is a member at Weston Golf Club so I am pretty sure he doesn't need to play Angus for free although he and Kevin Thistle are friends no doubt. I myself would rather play Weston than Angus, although I enjoy both.
I agree that Angus is overated by Score golf and others but I do not agree that the greens are slow or that the voting is manipulated by Bob Weeks. It's a good course and for all the talk about it being easy, how many people beat their handicap at Angus South? Very few. The course is absolutely typical Doug Carrick design.
As for Royal Ontario, when in good condition, I think it's a pretty good layout and easily Ted Baker's best work. But like all cart manditory tracks, I dislike the business plan.
Just think we can make our points with slamming the integrity of Bob Weeks and the people at Score Golf.
Call Angus Glen overpriced and overrated but it is not a BAD golf course.
Good luck.
Pud.

[flitemedic911]

I wasn't saying A.G. is a BAD course.

But bang for your buck Angus isn't worth it. If money's no object then courses like A.G. are a great day with great facilities.

Speaking for most of us who aren't members at private clubs....you might be disappointed at the end of the day and $200 out of pocket.

Personally I don't mind driving an hour to play a hidden gem for a quarter of the price.

[pudubny]

I wasn't saying A.G. is a BAD course.

But bang for your buck Angus isn't worth it. If money's no object then courses like A.G. are a great day with great facilities.

Speaking for most of us who aren't members at private clubs....you might be disappointed at the end of the day and $200 out of pocket.

Personally I don't mind driving an hour to play a hidden gem for a quarter of the price.
If you want to play a very similar course to AG for 1/3 the price, buy a package a Ballantrae.
$60.00 with a warm-up bucket for every ticket, three weeks advanced booking, good practise facility, fully transferable. Course looks easy but unless you can chip and putt very well, it will beat you. Best deal in the GTA. Where else can you play a very well conditioned course and get a bucket of balls for $60.00.
They treat everyone well and the pace of play is usually 4:30.
Pud.

[Flogger]

Took my young son and a friend to Eldorado golf course at hwy 7 & Thickson last night. It's a beginners course. which is what I was looking for since the kids are 9 & 12.

Unless you want to get hit in the head by golf balls all day, I strongly recommend you keep your children away from this dangerous little course.

Just about every tee block is within 10yds of a green. Balls wizzing by all over the place. Being a beginners course, nobody know better to yell fore and if even if they did, that's all you'd hear.

It's more like a shooting gallery. Stupid, stupid, stupid layout :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: .

Even the clubhouse is not safe from strays shots.

Very bad.:thumbs_do :thumbs_do :thumbs_do

[Big Shooter]

Streetsville Glen:mad: ...hated it 6 years ago, someone (I better not remember who) told me they 'fixed it up'...yah, shortened the course, lengthened the time it takes to play it.

*Note fo Iggy Kaneff...bulldoze-it, and build more houses!!!:rofl:




I like Silver Lakes & Willow Valley btw
...agree that Angus Glen is waaaaay overrated,
as are another two much-lauded courses: Peninsula Lakes & Whirlpool.:eek:

[tjhayko]

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I like Silver Lakes & Willow Valley btw
...agree that Angus Glen is waaaaay overrated,
as are another two much-lauded courses: Peninsula Lakes & Whirlpool.:eek:

I like Silver Lakes. Good condition, nice feel. Yes, some of the par 4's look similar, but I still like the course.

I agree about Whirlpool though. Highly over rated. Feels and plays like at $60 course to me. It's okay, but definitely not anything outstanding.

[mikemakeitso]

I like Silver Lakes. Good condition, nice feel. Yes, some of the par 4's look similar, but I still like the course.

I agree about Whirlpool though. Highly over rated. Feels and plays like at $60 course to me. It's okay, but definitely not anything outstanding.
Agreed. I'm thinking in stead of takingthe boys to Niagara for a Golf weekend... the Musoka's is probably a better plan.

[Big Shooter]

Agreed. I'm thinking in stead of takingthe boys to Niagara for a Golf weekend... the Musoka's is probably a better plan.Don't give up on Niagara so quick...there's more than just GOLF, which 'the boys' will like
(check out Mints in Niagara Falls, if y'all are into that!;) )...not to mention the Casino(s) (win back what you lose on the course, or vice-versa)

As for the courses in the area that I recommend:

1. Peninsula Lakes (not my fave, but a lot of people LOVE it!)
2. Twenty Valley
3. Hunters Pointe
4. Royal Niagara
and last, but not least: The Legends...both Battlefield and Ussher's Creek are OUTSTANDING!!!!

...and if you cross-the-border, check out Glen Oak in Amherst (the NICE part of Buffalo!)

[Flogger]

Don't give up on Niagara so quick...there's more than just GOLF, which 'the boys' will like

I'm one of the boys, I mean men, in this group :) . We love going to Niagara, but we've been there the last two years. We've also been to Blue Mountain. Just looking for something different that's all.

I'd highly recommend Niagara as well. Thanks for the info though.

[backnine39]

If you want to play a very similar course to AG for 1/3 the price, buy a package a Ballantrae.
$60.00 with a warm-up bucket for every ticket, three weeks advanced booking, good practise facility, fully transferable. Course looks easy but unless you can chip and putt very well, it will beat you. Best deal in the GTA. Where else can you play a very well conditioned course and get a bucket of balls for $60.00.
They treat everyone well and the pace of play is usually 4:30.
Pud.
I agree with you if you are comparing Ballantrae to AG North. The South Course however, is such a beauty, that once in a while, i'll bite and splurge to play the course. Each hole is picturesque with no throwaway hole. I'd have to drive to the Muskokas to play a nicer course and about the same price (The Rock, Taboo, Lake Jo).

[247golfing]

If you want to play a very similar course to AG for 1/3 the price, buy a package a Ballantrae.
$60.00 with a warm-up bucket for every ticket, three weeks advanced booking, good practise facility, fully transferable. Course looks easy but unless you can chip and putt very well, it will beat you. Best deal in the GTA. Where else can you play a very well conditioned course and get a bucket of balls for $60.00.
They treat everyone well and the pace of play is usually 4:30.
Pud.
Minor correction. 4 weeks advance booking. Also, you need to master those collection areas, unless you always hit the green in regulation.

[Ike Trane]

Without a doubt Rolling Hills... both times I've been there has been a complete waste of a day.

The first time there was pleanty and pleanty of garbage left on the fairways, it was extremely annoying. And when we told the management about it, they just gave us BS about it... I got to say they were good at it too, maybe they should consider getting into politics.

The second time was a problem that was only a slight bother the first time. Once you play your shot, MOVE ALONG! The two groups ahead of us were taking their merry time, wobbling back and forth across the fairways, and it just created for a mass back-log. The officials were completely useless, they didn't do squat to help things along.

Oh, and here's a tip for people who are stuck in the back-log situations... DON'T BLAME THE GROUP DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU, WITHOUT CHECKING FIRST. You could at least have the decency to come up and find out what's going on before you start swinging your mouth across the fairway.

[b_kim777]

I am also going to defend Bloomington Downs.

Same discount price range as Rolling Hills (which is the worst course ever) and a way better value:

1. Holes are spread out (unlike rolling hills where 3-4 fairways are in play for every shot)
2. Greens are in very respectable shape (compared to rolling hills where you need to battle craters and ditches)
3. Great practice beginners course.

Highly recommend Bloomington downs for beginners and just for practice.

Rolling Hills - somebody please turn that place into a parking lot.

[brian]

Seaton Golf Club in Pickering is really bad. Not just for the money, it's just bad. I know this sounds harsh, but they should be ashamed to call this a full size course. The staff is unfriendly and the marshalls don't know what they're doing. I left after the 13th hole--after 4 hours!!. My score was great, I was even par from the tips after 13, but on a course like that you don't feel very proud!! Avoid this one.

[mikemakeitso]

Seaton Golf Club in Pickering is really bad. Not just for the money, it's just bad. I know this sounds harsh, but they should be ashamed to call this a full size course. The staff is unfriendly and the marshalls don't know what they're doing. I left after the 13th hole--after 4 hours!!. My score was great, I was even par from the tips after 13, but on a course like that you don't feel very proud!! Avoid this one.It's a cow pasture... forsure! If I can shoot a 39 on the front... You know there's a problem with the golf course :D

[tjhayko]

It's a cow pasture... forsure! If I can shoot a 39 on the front... You know there's a problem with the golf course :D

Funny how I've never seen that game when we play at men's courses ;).

[Grass Roots Tour]

I do NOT recommend going to Paris Grand any time soon. This is my home course so I'm not pleased by having to admit I've not ever seen a course in worse shape in July.
I've seen a lot of courses in better shape in March.
They have lowered rates drastically. They are rumoured to have hired the superintendant from The National to bring the course back from the dead.

I hope this is true and I hope this man is some kind of miracle worker. If he can't part the seas I'm not certain he can save this cow pasture.

What a waste of a good layout.

[Maple City Smitty]

Ingersoll golf and country club located just off the 401 is a decent track condition wise, but the way the greens on the back are positioned are absolutely rediculous....if you like 3 putting from 5 feet then go ahead but if you want to have an enjoyable round head to craigowan (Oxford G&CC), host of this years Canadian Junior