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mpare

Dec 3, 2011, 08:53 PM

The latest issue of Golf Digest contains an extract from Feinstein's next book. The extract is entitled No One Tells Tiger Woods What To Do. The author, a well respected golf writer, provides a unique and sonewhat saddening insight into Tiger Woods. Whether you like, dislike or are indifferent to Mr. Woods, it's well worth the read.

Leftygolfer30

Dec 3, 2011, 09:44 PM

The latest issue of Golf Digest contains an extract from Feinstein's next book. The extract is entitled No One Tells Tiger Woods What To Do. The author, a well respected golf writer, provides an unique and sonewhat saddening insight into Tiger Woods. Whether you like, dislike or are indifferent to Mr. Woods, it's well worth the read.

Anything golf related written by Feinstein is worth reading.

Wish i could putt

Dec 3, 2011, 09:56 PM

Anything golf related written by Feinstein is worth reading.

Agree prints some good things..

4wedges

Dec 4, 2011, 08:53 AM

I love his work.

cuonthe1t

Dec 4, 2011, 09:00 AM

The article in golf digest was very enlightening--- book should be out soon

longirons

Dec 4, 2011, 10:18 AM

mpare

Dec 4, 2011, 10:27 AM

Leftygolfer30

Dec 4, 2011, 10:45 AM

Bellyhungry

Dec 4, 2011, 01:44 PM

Is there an online link ? Don't seem to be able to find it

I have to say that everything I read/see on the golf channel and its website by Feinstein shows nothing but bias against Tiger and shows no objectivity whatsoever...

Feinstein has been making his living the last two years parlaying his hate-on on TW.

If you watch his segments on Golf Central regularly, you probably have a good idea what is going to be in the book and therefore save your money.

My theory is that he tried to get TW involved for his book on the '08 US Open but got turned down and has been holding a grudge since.

longirons

Dec 4, 2011, 04:21 PM

There is no link to the article as yet. GD's site still has the December issue featured. I assume that the January issue will appear in the near future.

As for John Feinstein, my understanding is that he is well-respected by the guys on the Tour. Given that he is not easily cowed (as is evident in this extract) and blunt, that says a lot about their respect for him and his candour, honesty and objectivity. If you're looking for a Tiger sycophant, then you're right, you should look elsewhere. Recall that years ago he made comments in writing that were not laudatory of Tiger's dad. However, he was man enough to talk to Tiger face to face as to why he came to that conclusion. For my part, I'm looking forward to the release of his book.

what do you base your understanding that he's respected by the guys on tour on (not questioning just asking) ..

I don't want a sycophant but I don't want the opposite either (interestingly doesn't seem to be an opposite word for sycophant)

I'm with belly that every article feinstein writes on golf channel website doesn't hide what seems like (to me) obvious actual dislike of woods

even the quote from the excerpt that says 'nobody tells tiger woods what to do' ... my 1st thought is why should they and why should he listen ?

I'm not sure anyone on tour/here/etc particularly likes someone telling them what to do (of course I have to read the article since I'm stabbing in the dark here)

To me its telling that when so many players are asked how they like playing with tiger (just this week kucher/stricker/johnson) who from what I can see are all well liked and considered 3 of the 'nice guys' on tour they all have nothing but good things to say about them... if they didn't like/respect/whatever him they could always just say nothing but instead I find almost to a man players say nothing but good things about him (well.. except jesper maybe) ;)

I honestly find I have trouble getting through one of Johns articles on the golf channel and if you read the comments (yes I know.. maybe not a great barometer for intelligent discussion/reasoning) it seems that most people there comment with things like 'yet another biased article from feinstein' etc etc

anyhow... look forward to reading the new one in any case.. maybe I'll get the book for my dad for xmas

mpare

Dec 4, 2011, 06:48 PM

This is one occasion on which I will have to disagree with you. If you read the extract you will see that there is more than enough justification for his thesis. No doubt there will be plenty of his supporters who will not bother to read it, on the assumption that anything critical of Mr. Woods is inaccurate. That would be a mistake, but to each his own.

...
My theory is that he tried to get TW involved for his book on the '08 US Open but got turned down and has been holding a grudge since.

Weirfan

Dec 4, 2011, 07:01 PM

Feinstein is a Great Golf writer.

He is thorough and objectivein his writings and why he has such respect and a loyal following.

He also won't kiss Tiger's arse or any one else's ( like most do on TGC) and will set the goods out there for all to read........if this makes him not likeable by some Tiger fans then they are trying to be immune from the truth.

I think all fans of golf should read his writings as they will enlighten you and make you more knowledgeable about the game and it's players.

I too look anxiously forward to his next book.

Bellyhungry

Dec 4, 2011, 07:09 PM

If Feinstein is so objective and so forth right, I wonder what kept him from writing his expose prior to the scandal? Was he protecting his meal ticket as well at that time just like others?

This is one occasion on which I will have to disagree with you. If you read the extract you will see that there is more than enough justification for his thesis. No doubt there will be plenty of his supporters who will not bother to read it, on the assumption that anything critical of Mr. Woods is inaccurate. That would be a mistake, but to each his own.

I am willing to bet the general theme is similar to this writeup from GC's website:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/john-feinstein/tiger-not-a-changed-man/

But since you are always fair and balance in your viewpoints, I will take a look-see.

mpare

Dec 4, 2011, 07:26 PM

I don't know the answer to your question, and quite frankly I could care less about the timing of the book's release. I'll leave the speculating to you. For my part, I'll read it and make my own judgment as to what insights, if any, it provides about Mr. Woods. If he was so interested in protecting his meal ticket, he would have cow-towed to Mr. Woods' handlers early in the game when they attempted to compromise him with the golf magazine for whom he was writing. He didn't. He told them, nicely I am sure, that they were not going to intimidate him.

If Feinstein is so objective and so forth right, I wonder what kept him from writing his expose prior to the scandal? Was he protecting his meal ticket as well at that time just like others? ...

pix40

Dec 4, 2011, 08:26 PM

Anything golf related written by Feinstein is worth reading.

+1 .. i agree with everything you say too..

Leftygolfer30

Dec 4, 2011, 08:27 PM

+1 .. i agree with everything you say too..

As you should! :wink:

Wish i could putt

Dec 4, 2011, 08:28 PM

+1 .. i agree with everything you say too..

Don't agree with everything..but this I do..

gbrgolf

Dec 4, 2011, 09:28 PM

This is the easiest book any golf writer has ever written..... It's just taken a while for someone to have the guts to do it!!!
Anyone who has spent any time on Tour could write a chapter.....
Facts are, we can all respect Tiger for his wonderful talents, but there has never been a less approachable star in any sport!
I'm really looking forward to see how deep Feinstein is willing to go? most writers bail before they really get to the good stuff!!

Joe Backyard

Dec 4, 2011, 10:09 PM

Leftygolfer30

Dec 4, 2011, 10:17 PM

For all of the Feinstein lovers out there, I'm sorry but all I see and hear is some fat guy scorned by the Tiger man and holding a grudge for far too long for us to care. Sorry he hasn't written anything different since A Good Walk Spoiled ...

Really now???

- One on One: Behind the Scenes With the Greats in the Game (2011).[4]
- Moment of Glory: The Year Underdogs Ruled Golf, a profile of the four relatively obscure golfers who won the men's majors in 2003. ISBN 0-316-02531-3
- Living on the Black: Two Pitchers, Two Teams, One Season to Remember: A look at the seasons of two veteran pitchers, Mike Mussina of the New York Yankees and Tom Glavine of the New York Mets, as they chase success and another World Series in their long careers. ISBN 0-316-11391-3
- Tales from Q School: Inside Golf's Fifth Major: The story of the players who compete for coveted positions on the PGA Tour in the 2005 Q School. ISBN 0-316-01430-3
- Last Dance: Behind the Scenes at the Final Four: Tales of plays, coaches, and refs in the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament Final Four. ISBN 0-316-16030-X
- Next Man Up: A Year Behind The Lines in Today's NFL: The story of the 2004-2005 Baltimore Ravens. ISBN 0-316-00964-4
- Let Me Tell You A Story (with Red Auerbach): An audio collection of Feinstein's interviews with the legendary coach of the Boston Celtics. ISBN 0-316-73823-9
- Caddy For Life: The Bruce Edwards Story: The story of Bruce Edwards, the longtime caddy for golf great Tom Watson, and his ultimately losing battle with Lou Gehrig's disease. ISBN 0-316-77788-9
- Open: Inside the Ropes At Bethpage Park: A look at the 2002 US Open golf tournament, held at the Black Course at Bethpage State Park on Long Island. ISBN 0-316-77852-4
- The Punch: Deals with the infamous punch thrown by Kermit Washington that nearly killed Rudy Tomjanovich during an NBA game in 1977, and its impact on both men and the league. ISBN 0-316-73563-9
- A Good Walk Spoiled: Days And Nights on the PGA Tour: Winner of the William Hill Sports Book of the Year in 1995. ISBN 0-316-27737-1
- The Last Amateurs: A look at the 1999-2000 basketball season in the Patriot League, a low-ranked Division I basketball conference. "Amateurs" refers to the fact that when Feinstein wrote this book, the conference had a policy against the granting of athletic scholarships, and even today strongly emphasizes the "student" in "student-athlete." ISBN 0-316-27842-4
- The Majors: In Pursuit of Golf's Holy Grail: A look behind the scenes at a season's worth of majors, and what players do to win their sport's biggest prizes. ISBN 0-316-27795-9
- First Coming ISBN 0-345-42286-4
- A March to Madness: An inside look at the 1996-97 basketball season in the Atlantic Coast Conference, featuring segments on each of the nine schools then in the conference. Notably, this was the last season for North Carolina coaching legend Dean Smith. ISBN 0-316-27712-6
- A Civil War: Army vs. Navy: A look at the 1995 football season at Army and Navy, culminating in the Army–Navy Game. ISBN 0-316-27824-6
- Running Mates
- Play Ball ISBN 0-679-41618-8
- Hard Courts: An inside look at one year (1990) on the men's and women's professional tennis tours. ISBN 0-679-74106-2
- Forever's Team: A look at the Duke team that lost in the NCAA final game in 1978. Because many of its stars were freshmen and sophomores, it was widely expected that the team would win a national title, but this group of Duke players never did so. ISBN 0-394-56892-3
- A Season Inside: In his follow up to Brink, Feinstein took an inside look at the 1987-1988 college basketball season, including teams, players, coaches and officials from throughout the country. ISBN 0-394-56891-5
- A Season on the Brink: A look at the 1985-86 basketball season at Indiana University, especially famous for its treatment of legendary coach Bob Knight. ISBN 0-671-68877-4

Looks to me like he's written a few books since "A Good Walk Spoiled..." :rolleyes:

mpare

Dec 5, 2011, 05:21 AM

There you go again, Terry, resorting to facts. Have you no shame? ;)

Weirfan

Dec 5, 2011, 06:42 AM

There you go again, Terry, resorting to facts. Have you no shame? ;)

LOL !.....

after the past 2 year media drubbing , many Tiger fans don't want to hear any more negatives on their idol.....mind you even the non idols are fed up with some topics

Books by guys like Feinstein are extremely important ...they shed light on the things behind the star(s)......

By all accounts Tiger is and has always been a very secretive man, a very angry man who's every press conference and appearance is or was carefully calculated and scripted to be in line with the image he that "they" wanted him to portray.

sure on course performance is what matters for golfers but understanding what makes him tick, why he went and threw everything away and why like GBR states he is so unapproachable is intriguing to some of us......

despite being one on my fav sports, golf is one of the most boring sports in the world .....it needs characters like Tiger and the stories around him to make it more interesting ....

dekker

Dec 5, 2011, 12:28 PM

I agree, but Golf is very internal and a glimpse into the "reality" of a secretive personality often fails to match fancied expectations.
Couples known reluctance to answer the phone still hounds his image today and having to explain himself is not only a bold invasion but totally unnecessary.
The private nature of the sport does not seem suited for the media whore type.

laxgolf

Dec 5, 2011, 12:36 PM

sharkhark

Dec 5, 2011, 10:01 PM

I love his writing.can't wait to read. If tiger can fire a loyal caddy then steal
A fellow peers caddy...he can handle a book on this subject.

Leftygolfer30

Dec 5, 2011, 10:01 PM

There you go again, Terry, resorting to facts. Have you no shame? ;)

Sorry Mike. :D

Bellyhungry

Dec 6, 2011, 06:49 AM

First, we have someone copy-righted his post, now we have Lefty needing to include ISBN #s while listing book titles.

What's this board become?

mpare

Dec 6, 2011, 06:51 AM

I wondered about that copyright claim as well. ;)

First, we have someone copy-righted his post, now we have Lefty needing to include ISBN #s while listing book titles.

What's this board become?

dekker

Dec 6, 2011, 09:19 AM

First, we have someone copy-righted his post, now we have Lefty needing to include ISBN #s while listing book titles.

What's this board become?

Not a board issue.Wiki copy and paste.

Ignatius Reilly

Dec 6, 2011, 09:24 AM

I wondered about that copyright claim as well. ;)

What really struck me about that was the post chosen to copyright.

A true gem, and one I'm sure others wish they had the rights to use.

But that particular discussion seems to have died down although I ended up confused as to its resolution as we had both a post about a deaf percussionist and another post which deemed a point mute. ;)

sunshiNee

Dec 7, 2011, 10:09 AM

John Feinstein needs to lighten up. Sure he's stating the facts --- but the facts are through his eyes. I can only quote , "“I am not who you think I am; I am not who I think I am; I am who I think you think I am" .

Tiger's behaviour in the future will not matter. Feistein has already pegged him as such a person already and I'm sure he's more than willing to sell books with his many anecdotes. There are probably a ton of other tour players that are arrogant and sit atop an ivory tower. But he will never bash them because the articles and books will not most likely not sell.

The latest issue of Golf Digest contains an extract from Feinstein's next book. The extract is entitled No One Tells Tiger Woods What To Do. The author, a well respected golf writer, provides a unique and sonewhat saddening insight into Tiger Woods. Whether you like, dislike or are indifferent to Mr. Woods, it's well worth the read.

cmsgerr

Dec 7, 2011, 02:17 PM

John Feinstein needs to lighten up. Sure he's stating the facts --- but the facts are through his eyes. I can only quote , "“I am not who you think I am; I am not who I think I am; I am who I think you think I am" .

Tiger's behaviour in the future will not matter. Feistein has already pegged him as such a person already and I'm sure he's more than willing to sell books with his many anecdotes. There are probably a ton of other tour players that are arrogant and sit atop an ivory tower. But he will never bash them because the articles and books will likely not sell.

Couldn't agree more! Is an objective account of Tiger's life, or any individual of his notoriety, even possible? I'm not saying it won't be a good read, but I'm not foolish enough to believe Feinstein's personal experience with Tiger won't factor into his account of the guy.

golfnguru

Dec 7, 2011, 02:58 PM

I think the extract is from this book One on One: Behind the Scenes with the Greats in the Game

Would think there would only be a chapter about Tiger. From GD article, it appears Earl really disliked Feinstein for articles he wrote about Earl (e.g. in one he compared Earl to Capriatti's father)

mpare

Dec 7, 2011, 03:41 PM

Of course Feinstein's personal experiences with Tiger and his handlers, as well as with Tiger's dad, would factor into his account. Why wouldn't they? Those encounters have meaning. They provide context and they tell us something about each an every one of those persons, including the author himself. No writer, even a historian, can completely divorce himself from the events or the personalities he writes about. So long as the factual foundation for his descriptions and conclusions are evident, then I have no problem with that. Were it otherwise, then all one would be left with are bare facts (assuming one can speak meaningfully about "bare facts"), devoid of colour and meaning, or the sanitized or authorized story of Tiger. Many of us would have no interest in reading an homage to Tiger.

Couldn't agree more! Is an objective account of Tiger's life, or any individual of his notoriety, even possible? I'm not saying it won't be a good read, but I'm not foolish enough to believe Feinstein's personal experience with Tiger won't factor into his account of the guy.

mpare

Dec 7, 2011, 03:43 PM

On that score, I think that Feinstein's comparison is apt.

... Would think there would only be a chapter about Tiger. From GD article, it appears Earl really disliked Feinstein for articles he wrote about Earl (e.g. in one he compared Earl to Capriatti's father)

cmsgerr

Dec 7, 2011, 04:15 PM

Of course Feinstein's personal experiences with Tiger and his handlers, as well as with Tiger's dad, would factor into his account. Why wouldn't they? Those encounters have meaning. They provide context and they tell us something about each an every one of those persons, including the author himself. No writer, even a historian, can completely divorce himself from the events or the personalities he writes about. So long as the factual foundation for his descriptions and conclusions are evident, then I have no problem with that. Were it otherwise, then all one would be left with are bare facts (assuming one can speak meaningfully about "bare facts"), devoid of colour and meaning, or the sanitized or authorized story of Tiger. Many of us would have no interest in reading an homage to Tiger.

My point was directed at those who believe Feinstein is an objective journalist; and yes, completely separating himself and his personal experience with Tiger would make for a dull book. The problem is, people will read his biased account and pass judgement on Tiger. I'm not defending Tiger (it'd be hard to even try), and could not care less for what people think of him, but I'm not going to read a book by a 'journalist' who has only had a negative relationship with him, to try and get an inside look at him.

I think non-fiction writer is a more appropriate title for Feinstein, than journalist... but that might be generous.

northernpro

Dec 7, 2011, 04:24 PM

when you treat a journalist badly..sometimes it comes back to haunt you..
Tigers dad seems like he was the main problem..jmo

Buzzy

Dec 7, 2011, 08:19 PM

For all of the Feinstein lovers out there, I'm sorry but all I see and hear is some fat guy scorned by the Tiger man and holding a grudge for far too long for us to care. ...

I'll second that. After reading this thread, I looked forward to reading this article, but oh what a fluffy yawn fest it is....where's the beef?

I don't like Tiger much as a person, but I'm glad he stood up for his Dad.

mpare

Dec 7, 2011, 08:52 PM

What's not obvious to me is what is meant by those who claim that Feinstein is biased against Tiger. If that which he wrote was based on facts or reasonable inferences drawn on those facts, then it can hardly be said to have been the product of bias. Conversely, it is wrong to assume that one who sees Tiger, his dad and Tiger's handlers in less that a favourable light is necessarily biased against him. To the contrary, the less than complimentary portrayal may be the result of the writer's actual knowledge of Tiger, his father and Tiger's handlers. Do any of Feinstein's detractors have actual knowledge of Tiger's universe that contradict that which he has written?

golfnutz

Dec 7, 2011, 09:04 PM

Having just read the GD article, I see Feinstein in a different light. He had seen Tiger do some negative things to fans and reporters. He also turned down The President of the United States who asked him to join him and Jackie Robinson's wife just after he won the 97 Masters. Apparently Tiger was tired and needed a vacation. Feinstein called him on his transgressions and wrote about it. From the article, Tiger years later wrote a letter of apology to Robinson's wife. Maturity is a wonderful thing.

Tigers lackies approached Feinstein who walked away pissed off by their tactics.

Tiger eventually had a man to man (4 hour meeting) with Feinstein and while they agreed to disagree on a few things, they were cordial with each other.

Feinstein is not one of the usual Tiger reporters and doesn't owe Tiger any loyalty.

He doens't pretend to know Tiger personally, just what he see's from his own perspective and I think in my opinion he does a fair job.

Richd

Dec 7, 2011, 09:09 PM

Feinstein is not one of the usual Tiger reporters and doesn't owe Tiger any loyalty.

expand on this a bit..who are some of the "usual Tiger reporters"? and why do they owe him loyalty?

cmsgerr

Dec 7, 2011, 10:21 PM

He won’t begin 2012 at Torrey Pines in San Diego, where he has started most years during his career, has won seven times and was the host of his last major title, the 2008 U.S. Open. Instead, he will go to Abu Dhabi for a $3 million appearance fee. That money will replace the money he received in the past to go to Dubai.

Why did he choose Abu Dhabi over San Diego and Dubai? His website says it is because he likes to travel to different places. If you believe that, you will be trying to stay awake waiting for Santa Claus to arrive on Christmas Eve. The change was simple: Dubai is sponsored by Omega. Woods just signed a new deal with Rolex. Woods may not be loyal to many people but he is loyal to those who pay him.

Good lord, a professional athlete who goes where the $ is at... unbelievable! How dare he skip on Torrey Pines, that course has been so good to him. :rolleyes:

Sarcasm over; I can't read stuff like that and take a writer like Feinstein seriously. He acts like Tiger owes him something; perhaps Tiger should consult with him before deciding his schedule. He obsesses over the idea of 'transparency' with Tiger's life, as if Tiger should be an open book to everyone. How about he argue for more transparency from big name players like Phil? Feinstein is not fair, objective or balanced... I don't see him ranting over other players and their personal lives. Is it only fair game with Tiger because he's as big as he is?

mpare

Dec 7, 2011, 10:35 PM

Did you actually read the article?

Good lord, a professional athlete who goes where the $ is at... unbelievable! How dare he skip on Torrey Pines, that course has been so good to him. :rolleyes:

Sarcasm over; I can't read stuff like that and take a writer like Feinstein seriously. He acts like Tiger owes him something; perhaps Tiger should consult with him before deciding his schedule. He obsesses over the idea of 'transparency' with Tiger's life, as if Tiger should be an open book to everyone. How about he argue for more transparency from big name players like Phil? Feinstein is not fair, objective or balanced... I don't see him ranting over other players and their personal lives. Is it only fair game with Tiger because he's as big as he is?

cmsgerr

Dec 7, 2011, 10:47 PM

Did you actually read the article?

Yes, Tiger promised us he would change, but he didn't... :sad: He has no respect for the game. While everyone else is playing for the love of it, he's only playing for the $ :rolleyes:

I like how Feinstein writes 'There is, of course, nothing wrong with making a business decision,' just after the point he makes of his decision to play in Dubai. :rolleyes:

Did something pass right over my head while reading the article? Tiger was a jerk, promised to change, but didn't... boo hoo.

mpare

Dec 7, 2011, 10:51 PM

That's one interpretation of what was written.

Yes, Tiger promised us he would change, but he didn't... :sad: He has no respect for the game. While everyone else is playing for the love of it, he's only playing for the $ :rolleyes:

I like how Feinstein writes 'There is, of course, nothing wrong with making a business decision,' just after the point he makes of his decision to play in Dubai. :rolleyes:

Did something pass right over my head while reading the article? Tiger was a jerk, promised to change, but didn't... boo hoo.

dekker

Dec 8, 2011, 01:43 AM

I admit I'm starting to change my mind on Mr. Woods. Most of us would have called it a day already had we been subjected to the same vitriol.His money is a great insulator, but it can't protect him from print or worse anyone who feels outraged for no reason other than they think they are entitled.
Mr Feinstein was offended by events in the past and has used his hurt to inspire him. It's mostly interesting to those who want to stay current on the layers of garbage heaped on Woods already.
Feinstein has a gift, and as a deserving and respected writer fails to put past events behind him. I think with the renewed expectations on Woods this book is easy money for him, but it will do nothing to ease his mind.

mpare

Dec 8, 2011, 05:45 AM

Dekker, if I understand you correctly your objection to Mr. Feinstein's article is that it tells us nothing about Tiger today. Rather, it is a snapshot of a Tiger who was. You may be right. My question is "What evidence is there to suggest that Tiger is a changed man?"

I'm assuming as well that those who rail against his portrayal of Tiger do so, in part, on the basis that even if Feinstein is right, he still shouldn't have published the piece presumably because either it is of no consequence to most people or simply because the frailties of our public heroes should be off limits. Am I right? I ask because I am trying to understand why his article has generated so much antipathy. You yourself have referred to it as "vitriol." It wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong, and it won't be the last.

longirons

Dec 8, 2011, 07:16 AM

ok.. my internet searching skills must be lacking today becuase I can't seem to find the entire excerpt... but here's one quote I found..

"Here’s hoping, seriously, that at some point in his life he can find joy in something other than stepping on people’s necks and filling his pockets"

honestly doesn't sound like the most objective analysis ..

But then I guess all the Feinstein lovers can't handle the truth and whenever anyone disagrees with their chosen one they can't take it (see what I did there... hopefully you did)

I know I'd have to read the whole thing to really get a fair idea but I still think every article I read from feinstein on Tiger is so full of sarcasm and vitriol that I can't possibly take feinstein at his word ...

mpare

Dec 8, 2011, 07:40 AM

As I said in an earlier post, this article, which appears in the January, 2012 issue of Golf Digest is not yet available on its internet site. I assume that it will be in the near future. As for the quote that you did manage to find, I agree with you that it is a harsh comment, but it is but one line in an otherwise enlightening article. More to the point, the comment is not made without some justification. Would most of us have expressed ourselves similarly? Probably not. But that still does not diminish the legitimacy of the failings of Tiger's character that Feinstein exposes. Having said that, many golf fans can and do distinguish between Tiger the golfer and Tiger the man. Do I admire him as a man? No. Do I enjoy watching him play great golf? Absolutely.

ok.. my internet searching skills must be lacking today becuase I can't seem to find the entire excerpt. ...

lelyflamingo

Dec 8, 2011, 08:23 AM

This shows everyone's weakness , and indicates why we have the National Inquirer etc. Who cares about Tiger the man. I applaud him for his golf greatness, and couldn't care a less about him as a person. He never was and never will be a role model