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  • #31
    Re: Driver Fitting Cost

    Originally posted by Jasonp View Post
    again I say..tour pros do not use this process. They are in the business of winning.
    PARDON ?

    2 billion dollars won by tour pros who use shaft alignment technology .

    "Almost $2 Billion Has Been Made On The PGA Tour By Players Who Have Had SST PURE Their Shafts. Innovation on the PGA Tour simply doesn’t stand the test of time unless it delivers a tangible improvement to players. SST PURE is available to players on-site at each week’s Tour events. The SST PURE Tour staff typically PUREs clubs for more than a dozen players each week. "

    In 2016 the following PGA pros used it, including notables such as Tiger, DJ, JR, Adam Scott , Rickie Phil, Kuch and the list goes on

    Appleby
    Tommy Armour III
    Ricky Barnes
    Charlie Beljin
    Jonas Blixt
    Jason Bohn
    Craig Bowden
    Steven Bowditch
    Scott Brown
    Chad Campbell
    Paul Casey
    KJ Choi
    Eric Compton
    John Daly
    Brian Davis
    Bryson DeChambbeau
    Luke Donald
    Ken Duke
    Ernie Els
    Bob Estes
    Nick Faldo
    Bradley Farmer
    Derek Fathauer
    Ricky Fowler
    Fabian Gomez
    Andres Gonzales
    Jason Gore
    Rateif Gossen
    James Hahn
    Padraig Harrington
    Jim Herman
    Wes Homan
    Charles Howell III
    John Huh
    Freddie Jacobson
    Dustin Johnson
    Sung Kang
    Whee Kim
    Matt Kuchar
    Anirban Lahiri
    Bernhard Langer
    Danny Lee
    Lucas Lee
    Frank Lickliter
    Andrew Loupe
    Shane Lowry
    Jarrod Lyle
    Will MacKenzie
    Ben Martin
    Hideki Matsuyama
    Troy Merritt
    Phil Mickelson
    Seung Yul Noh
    Sean O’Hair
    Greg Owen
    Ryan Palmer
    Carl Patterson
    Carl Paulson
    Scott Piercy
    D.A. Points
    Tom Purtzer
    Patrick Reed
    Wes Roach
    Patrick Rogers
    Justin Rose
    Rory Sabbatini
    Adam Schenk
    Adam Scott
    Vijay Singh
    Brandt Snedeker
    Brandon Steele
    Chris Stroud
    Hudson Swafford
    Michael Thompson
    Nicolas Thompson
    DJ Trahan
    Omar Uresti
    Stan Utley
    Dawie Vander-Walt
    Jonathan Vegas
    Camilo Villegas
    Mike Weir
    Steve Wheatcroft
    Will Wilcox
    Tim Wilkinson
    Garrett Willis
    Gary Woodland
    Tiger Woods


    As Tintin correctly states :Why they use it:
    "shafts aren’t perfectly straight or perfectly round. Studies have shown that irregularities in a shaft’s structure cause off-line bending and twisting during the golf swing. This causes an increase in shot dispersion or, in irons, inconsistent performance from club to club"
    Last edited by Weirfan; Jan 11, 2017, 03:12 PM.
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    • #32
      Re: Driver Fitting Cost

      Originally posted by Gridiron View Post
      Do you honestly believe that Tour players are provided with the same quality shafts that are shipped out to the masses?
      I'd include clubheads as well. They probably hit a whole bunch of them until they find the right one.

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      • #33
        Re: Driver Fitting Cost

        Originally posted by Laicha View Post
        It's an add-on service that would immediately add to profits, they could offer it, but they don't.
        It would add to the cost. Production time, training,labour et al. Moreover the process gets complicated with the various adjustments. I for one found the right loft setting on my F6. Once I found it I removed the adapter and aligned the shaft with the setting.

        Weapons of mass production

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        • #34
          Re: Driver Fitting Cost

          Whether you believe in it is up to you. SSTPuring can add to the cost of fitting.
          The cost of informing yourself to the benefit of FLO is free.
          Things change.

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          TA 845s GDs300
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          • #35
            Re: Driver Fitting Cost

            Originally posted by Tintin View Post
            It would add to the cost. Production time, training,labour et al. Moreover the process gets complicated with the various adjustments.
            Exactly !

            It's for the same reasons that for off the rack they lean to using taper tipped shafts , don't measure /confirm and adjust shaft flex, clubhead loft or lie on every club ......if they did all these things that would contribute to a more consistent and better perfroming set of clubs it would cost the end user twice as much for a set of irons.

            Tour Edge did offer puring as an upgrade at $25 a club. That adds up in a hurry,
            Last edited by Weirfan; Jan 11, 2017, 05:12 PM.
            "Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it happened "

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            • #36
              Re: Driver Fitting Cost

              Originally posted by Weirfan View Post
              PARDON ?

              2 billion dollars won by tour pros who use shaft alignment technology .

              "Almost $2 Billion Has Been Made On The PGA Tour By Players Who Have Had SST PURE Their Shafts. Innovation on the PGA Tour simply doesn’t stand the test of time unless it delivers a tangible improvement to players. SST PURE is available to players on-site at each week’s Tour events. The SST PURE Tour staff typically PUREs clubs for more than a dozen players each week. "

              In 2016 the following PGA pros used it, including notables such as Tiger, DJ, JR, Adam Scott , Rickie Phil, Kuch and the list goes on

              Appleby
              Tommy Armour III
              Ricky Barnes
              Charlie Beljin
              Jonas Blixt
              Jason Bohn
              Craig Bowden
              Steven Bowditch
              Scott Brown
              Chad Campbell
              Paul Casey
              KJ Choi
              Eric Compton
              John Daly
              Brian Davis
              Bryson DeChambbeau
              Luke Donald
              Ken Duke
              Ernie Els
              Bob Estes
              Nick Faldo
              Bradley Farmer
              Derek Fathauer
              Ricky Fowler
              Fabian Gomez
              Andres Gonzales
              Jason Gore
              Rateif Gossen
              James Hahn
              Padraig Harrington
              Jim Herman
              Wes Homan
              Charles Howell III
              John Huh
              Freddie Jacobson
              Dustin Johnson
              Sung Kang
              Whee Kim
              Matt Kuchar
              Anirban Lahiri
              Bernhard Langer
              Danny Lee
              Lucas Lee
              Frank Lickliter
              Andrew Loupe
              Shane Lowry
              Jarrod Lyle
              Will MacKenzie
              Ben Martin
              Hideki Matsuyama
              Troy Merritt
              Phil Mickelson
              Seung Yul Noh
              Sean O’Hair
              Greg Owen
              Ryan Palmer
              Carl Patterson
              Carl Paulson
              Scott Piercy
              D.A. Points
              Tom Purtzer
              Patrick Reed
              Wes Roach
              Patrick Rogers
              Justin Rose
              Rory Sabbatini
              Adam Schenk
              Adam Scott
              Vijay Singh
              Brandt Snedeker
              Brandon Steele
              Chris Stroud
              Hudson Swafford
              Michael Thompson
              Nicolas Thompson
              DJ Trahan
              Omar Uresti
              Stan Utley
              Dawie Vander-Walt
              Jonathan Vegas
              Camilo Villegas
              Mike Weir
              Steve Wheatcroft
              Will Wilcox
              Tim Wilkinson
              Garrett Willis
              Gary Woodland
              Tiger Woods


              As Tintin correctly states :Why they use it:
              "shafts aren’t perfectly straight or perfectly round. Studies have shown that irregularities in a shaft’s structure cause off-line bending and twisting during the golf swing. This causes an increase in shot dispersion or, in irons, inconsistent performance from club to club"


              I think these players would win regardless of the Puring. It's not like they went from not winning, to winning after discovering shaft alignment. I'm also sure that none of them had to pay to have it done, so it's a case of "why not?".

              I'm positive tons of players that don't use it have won just a much, so winning is really more a matter of how good they are, not the aligning of shafts.

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              • #37
                Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                Originally posted by Weirfan View Post
                Exactly !

                It's for the same reasons that for off the rack they lean to using taper tipped shafts , don't measure /confirm and adjust shaft flex, clubhead loft or lie on every club ......if they did all these things that would contribute to a more consistent and better perfroming set of clubs it would cost the end user twice as much for a set of irons.

                Tour Edge did offer puring as an upgrade at $25 a club. That adds up in a hurry,
                I'm not sure if it is or isn't worth it for a player, but an added service would be worth it to the company if they are charging for it. It's not like it's a donation by them, you pay for it andoesn't they do the work. You don't pay and you get your club as is.
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                • #38
                  Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                  Originally posted by Kessly Snipes View Post
                  I'm not sure if it is or isn't worth it for a player, but an added service would be worth it to the company if they are charging for it. It's not like it's a donation by them, you pay for it andoesn't they do the work. You don't pay and you get your club as is.
                  correct, you will see on my custom clubfitters pages that alignment etc are upgrade charges. in some instances that is also accomplished via custom shop orders.

                  I was speaking generally to off the rack sets , consistency and one would expect they are getting what they advertise and pay for from a specifications point of view but as has been discussed here over and over, it's not the case and to do it would price the clubs out of what most would be willing to pay.

                  Ideally, if somebody is serious about golf and wants exacting equipment they need to see a good club builder/fitter.
                  "Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it happened "

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                  • #39
                    Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                    Originally posted by Laicha View Post
                    I think these players would win regardless of the Puring. It's not like they went from not winning, to winning after discovering shaft alignment. I'm also sure that none of them had to pay to have it done, so it's a case of "why not?".

                    I'm positive tons of players that don't use it have won just a much, so winning is really more a matter of how good they are, not the aligning of shafts.
                    We can also drive a car with unbalanced tires In any sports competitors will do all they can to gain that extra edge.

                    Even my man Tom Brady will tell you so

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                    • #40
                      Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                      Originally posted by Laicha View Post
                      I think these players would win regardless of the Puring. It's not like they went from not winning, to winning after discovering shaft alignment. I'm also sure that none of them had to pay to have it done, so it's a case of "why not?".

                      I'm positive tons of players that don't use it have won just a much, so winning is really more a matter of how good they are, not the aligning of shafts.
                      This is not a new phenomena, it's been around for a while. SST just took it to the big market.

                      There is no denying that these guys are good. However, winning golfers don't make changes easily and without purpose. They are certainly not going to allow changes to their clubs without reason. They tend to be resistant to change and highly sensitive to minor fluctuations in feel or performance. That tells me that they wouldn't do it simply for the sake of doing it. They can play whatever ball and clubs they want too , free.


                      Jack's personal clubmaker for 40 years thinks it makes a difference:

                      "I'm embarrassed to think about how many Majors the boss would have won if I knew about PUREing when he was playing.
                      Jack Waulcotte, personal club maker for Jack Nicklaus for more than four decades, a Master club builder and member of the Club Builders Hall of Fame"

                      Not everyone will believe in it , and that is fine. I've been aligning shafts for a long time so have seen up close the variability within a shaft and between shafts. It can be significant, in terms of flex alone can be a whole flex just based on how a shaft is aligned, repeatable and consistent bend plane amongst other things.
                      Last edited by Weirfan; Jan 11, 2017, 06:44 PM.
                      "Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it happened "

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                      • #41
                        Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                        Originally posted by Jasonp View Post
                        again I say...tour vans and tour pros do not use this process. They are in the business of winning matches.
                        Originally posted by Weirfan View Post
                        PARDON ?

                        2 billion dollars won by tour pros who use shaft alignment technology .

                        "Almost $2 Billion Has Been Made On The PGA Tour By Players Who Have Had SST PURE Their Shafts. Innovation on the PGA Tour simply doesn’t stand the test of time unless it delivers a tangible improvement to players. SST PURE is available to players on-site at each week’s Tour events. The SST PURE Tour staff typically PUREs clubs for more than a dozen players each week. "

                        In 2016 the following PGA pros used it, including notables such as Tiger, DJ, JR, Adam Scott , Rickie Phil, Kuch and the list goes on

                        Appleby
                        Tommy Armour III
                        Ricky Barnes
                        Charlie Beljin
                        Jonas Blixt
                        Jason Bohn
                        Craig Bowden
                        Steven Bowditch
                        Scott Brown
                        Chad Campbell
                        Paul Casey
                        KJ Choi
                        Eric Compton
                        John Daly
                        Brian Davis
                        Bryson DeChambbeau
                        Luke Donald
                        Ken Duke
                        Ernie Els
                        Bob Estes
                        Nick Faldo
                        Bradley Farmer
                        Derek Fathauer
                        Ricky Fowler
                        Fabian Gomez
                        Andres Gonzales
                        Jason Gore
                        Rateif Gossen
                        James Hahn
                        Padraig Harrington
                        Jim Herman
                        Wes Homan
                        Charles Howell III
                        John Huh
                        Freddie Jacobson
                        Dustin Johnson
                        Sung Kang
                        Whee Kim
                        Matt Kuchar
                        Anirban Lahiri
                        Bernhard Langer
                        Danny Lee
                        Lucas Lee
                        Frank Lickliter
                        Andrew Loupe
                        Shane Lowry
                        Jarrod Lyle
                        Will MacKenzie
                        Ben Martin
                        Hideki Matsuyama
                        Troy Merritt
                        Phil Mickelson
                        Seung Yul Noh
                        Sean O’Hair
                        Greg Owen
                        Ryan Palmer
                        Carl Patterson
                        Carl Paulson
                        Scott Piercy
                        D.A. Points
                        Tom Purtzer
                        Patrick Reed
                        Wes Roach
                        Patrick Rogers
                        Justin Rose
                        Rory Sabbatini
                        Adam Schenk
                        Adam Scott
                        Vijay Singh
                        Brandt Snedeker
                        Brandon Steele
                        Chris Stroud
                        Hudson Swafford
                        Michael Thompson
                        Nicolas Thompson
                        DJ Trahan
                        Omar Uresti
                        Stan Utley
                        Dawie Vander-Walt
                        Jonathan Vegas
                        Camilo Villegas
                        Mike Weir
                        Steve Wheatcroft
                        Will Wilcox
                        Tim Wilkinson
                        Garrett Willis
                        Gary Woodland
                        Tiger Woods


                        As Tintin correctly states :Why they use it:
                        "shafts aren’t perfectly straight or perfectly round. Studies have shown that irregularities in a shaft’s structure cause off-line bending and twisting during the golf swing. This causes an increase in shot dispersion or, in irons, inconsistent performance from club to club"
                        And to expand on this further, Scott Garrison is the go-to guy on the PGA Tour for custom builds and he %100 uses the SST PURE'ing unit on almost all of them. So not sure where you get information that they don't use SST Pure because it's not correct.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                          Originally posted by racmbs View Post
                          And to expand on this further, Scott Garrison is the go-to guy on the PGA Tour for custom builds and he %100 uses the SST PURE'ing unit on almost all of them. So not sure where you get information that they don't use SST Pure because it's not correct.
                          Wow just wow

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                          • #43
                            Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                            Originally posted by grasbunkers View Post
                            Wow just wow
                            Just stating the WOW factor baby.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                              Originally posted by Jasonp View Post
                              again I say...tour vans and tour pros do not use this process. They are in the business of winning matches.

                              Again the process and demo is cool...but we are human not machines we do not swing a shaft in perfect plane with the face every single time.

                              I have had shafts (completely built OEM drivers - no grip) that when I oscillate on my frequency machine - they immediately went 90* and spun in a circle. If this is the state of shaft that is desirable, so be it, but it will never find its way into a club that I build.

                              If within 1 cycle of oscillation - with never any chance of FLO - it has left its intended line (down the line of the swing path) - and this is perceived as a quality build then I have been wasting my time for years, working on proof of concept. The frequency machine cannot even get a reading, so there is no way of even knowing what flex this shaft is.

                              Shafts like this will promote all over the face contact. There is no consistency. There is no quality. This is a sloppy build in every sense.

                              By removing every possible discrepancy is the only way to build a quality product. Sorry I cannot disagree more about the value of FLO.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Driver Fitting Cost

                                Originally posted by Laicha View Post
                                If you've got a shaft that bad, it belongs in the trash not your club. I don't know if I agree on your point with Titleist though.

                                Sure, they're not a shaft maker. But isn't it in their best interests to understand shaft dynamics in the production of golf clubs? They're saying that after investing money into R&D, they haven't been able to find any real performance advantages from shaft alignment. It's an add-on service that would immediately add to profits, they could offer it, but they don't.
                                Consider this.
                                a big reason Titleist disavows the need to Pure their mass produced "for Titleist" shafts is that the licence fee to Pure is more than Titleist pays someone to produce the "made for" shaft.
                                Things change.

                                Ping i25, PWR75 s
                                Ping i25 3w Tour65 s
                                Miz 21Fli-Hi Gblue s
                                TA 845s GDs300
                                Clev588 53,57
                                Cal i-Trax

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