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  • Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

    Congrats to a week of members breaking 70.... No easy feat... So I posted what I thought is necessary to break 70 and repeating it below.

    Breaking 70

    1. Must be accurate off the tee
    2. Have to hit GIR's (probably 14 minimum)
    3. No loose shots
    4. Make 1-2 bombs
    5. Don't miss anything under 5'
    6. Make an up and down or two....
    7. Take advantage of par 5's (-2 I imagine)

    Now for me Breaking 80 would require

    1. Off the tee and no lost balls - 1-2 can be loose, but can't ground them 50-100 yards or hit into the woods
    2. All shots must be in direction of green, no shanks or hooks or slices
    3. Par 3 of the par 5's (6's really hurt the scorecard)
    4. +2 at worst on par 3's
    5. At least 1 birdie
    6. Stay out of traps (at least get out of them and on to the green)
    7. 9 GIR's (Collar or right by the green, within 20'-30' of hole in fairway counts)
    8. No doubles
    9. No more then two 3 putts
    10. Make those 5'
    11. Make at least one long putt
    12. 2 Up and downs
    13. No penalties
    14. Good leaves if you do make a bad swing

    Anything else???

    And you wonder why it is so hard....

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    Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

    Originally posted by Anthony View Post
    Now for me Breaking 80 would require

    1. Off the tee and no lost balls - 1-2 can be loose, but can't ground them 50-100 yards or hit into the woods
    2. All shots must be in direction of green, no shanks or hooks or slices
    3. Par 3 of the par 5's (6's really hurt the scorecard)
    4. +2 at worst on par 3's
    5. At least 1 birdie
    6. Stay out of traps (at least get out of them and on to the green)
    7. 9 GIR's (Collar or right by the green, within 20'-30' of hole in fairway counts)
    8. No doubles
    9. No more then two 3 putts
    10. Make those 5'
    11. Make at least one long putt
    12. 2 Up and downs
    13. No penalties
    14. Good leaves if you do make a bad swing

    Anything else???

    And you wonder why it is so hard....
    I got under 80 for the first time this year and this is how my round compared to your list.

    1. Had a few loose tee shots, one went into the woods but gave me a wide open spot to chip it out, no lost balls off the tee.
    2. Most shots were in 'direction' of the green, two approach shots missed long and left, both were wide open areas, both also resulted in a bogey.
    3. Made par on both par 5s on the back 9, played them 3 over on the front 9.
    4. Played the par 3s in 1 over, and really should have been 1 under.
    5. Had 2 birdies, lipped out a 6 footer and blatantly missed a 3 footer for bird as well.
    6. 2 traps all day, both resulted in a bogey.
    7. 9 GIRs, 1 or 2 more on the fringe.
    8. Had one double bogey.
    9. Had 2 three putts.
    10. Didn't really make a lot of putts, a 10 footer and 5 footer for birdie were the only ones.
    11. Never really made a long one, think I was 32 or 33 putts on the day.
    12. Did get up and down twice I think.
    13. Put one ball in the creek, same hole I made a double on.
    14. Almost always had a good leave. This is I think one of the most important things, not getting into trouble with your poor shots. Making sure you miss in the right spot is a key in keeping your score low.

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    • #3
      Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

      Originally posted by JR59 View Post
      I got under 80 for the first time this year and this is how my round compared to your list.

      1. Had a few loose tee shots, one went into the woods but gave me a wide open spot to chip it out, no lost balls off the tee.
      2. Most shots were in 'direction' of the green, two approach shots missed long and left, both were wide open areas, both also resulted in a bogey.
      3. Made par on both par 5s on the back 9, played them 3 over on the front 9.
      4. Played the par 3s in 1 over, and really should have been 1 under.
      5. Had 2 birdies, lipped out a 6 footer and blatantly missed a 3 footer for bird as well.
      6. 2 traps all day, both resulted in a bogey.
      7. 9 GIRs, 1 or 2 more on the fringe.
      8. Had one double bogey.
      9. Had 2 three putts.
      10. Didn't really make a lot of putts, a 10 footer and 5 footer for birdie were the only ones.
      11. Never really made a long one, think I was 32 or 33 putts on the day.
      12. Did get up and down twice I think.
      13. Put one ball in the creek, same hole I made a double on.
      14. Almost always had a good leave. This is I think one of the most important things, not getting into trouble with your poor shots. Making sure you miss in the right spot is a key in keeping your score low.
      It mirrors my list almost to a tee.... Well done.... Can I ask if you are a long hitter and/or was it a short course? You also had 2 birdies and hit two others to under 6'.... That means you were on fire....

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      • #4
        Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

        I woulnd't call myself a long hitter, nor a short hitter. A good drive for me is about 260-265. Average around 250 I'd say.

        The course was not long, wet though, 6200 yards only.

        The shots I hit close were with a 6-iron, 8-iron, PW, and 60* wedge.

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        • #5
          Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

          Originally posted by JR59 View Post
          I woulnd't call myself a long hitter, nor a short hitter. A good drive for me is about 260-265. Average around 250 I'd say.

          The course was not long, wet though, 6200 yards only.

          The shots I hit close were with a 6-iron, 8-iron, PW, and 60* wedge.
          I hope you didn't take my questions negatively, I just am always curious. Great round, nice iron play......
          Last edited by Anthony; Jul 3, 2009, 11:27 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

            Agreed with your list.
            I've only broken 80 once, and it was a 75!?
            ...one thing for sure is, ya gotta "scramble" better than usual.
            Every great idea starts out as a blasphemy

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            • #7
              Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

              Originally posted by Anthony View Post
              Congrats to a week of members breaking 70.... No easy feat... So I posted what I thought is necessary to break 70 and repeating it below.

              Breaking 70

              1. Must be accurate off the tee
              2. Have to hit GIR's (probably 14 minimum)
              3. No loose shots
              4. Make 1-2 bombs
              5. Don't miss anything under 5'
              6. Make an up and down or two....
              7. Take advantage of par 5's (-2 I imagine)

              Now for me Breaking 80 would require

              1. Off the tee and no lost balls - 1-2 can be loose, but can't ground them 50-100 yards or hit into the woods
              2. All shots must be in direction of green, no shanks or hooks or slices
              3. Par 3 of the par 5's (6's really hurt the scorecard)
              4. +2 at worst on par 3's
              5. At least 1 birdie
              6. Stay out of traps (at least get out of them and on to the green)
              7. 9 GIR's (Collar or right by the green, within 20'-30' of hole in fairway counts)
              8. No doubles
              9. No more then two 3 putts
              10. Make those 5'
              11. Make at least one long putt
              12. 2 Up and downs
              13. No penalties
              14. Good leaves if you do make a bad swing

              Anything else???

              And you wonder why it is so hard....
              Nice post Anthony...do you have a simular list for breaking 90...because thats where I am at present

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              • #8
                Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                Breaking 70

                1. Must be accurate off the tee
                2. Have to hit GIR's (probably 14 minimum)
                3. No loose shots
                4. Make 1-2 bombs
                5. Don't miss anything under 5'
                6. Make an up and down or two....
                7. Take advantage of par 5's (-2 I imagine)
                I still have my scorecard for my 67 shot way back in 1980 at Markland

                - 12 GIR
                - 30 putts
                - 2 eagles (short par 5's ~480ish, reached 1 putted both "bombs" ~20 footers)
                - 3 birdies
                - 3 bogeys (missed 4 foot par putt, miss 2 foot par putt, miss 10 foot par putt

                Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                Now for me Breaking 80 would require

                1. Off the tee and no lost balls - 1-2 can be loose, but can't ground them 50-100 yards or hit into the woods

                2. All shots must be in direction of green, no shanks or hooks or slices
                Those requirements sound more to me like what is needed to break 90.

                Frankly since day 1 of being on a golf course, I've rarely every "grounded" / dubbed a shot, as I've always based my swing on ... well a swing, and not a HIT. And swinging at a 75-80% max tempo also is a big factor in achieving consistent contact.

                Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                4. +2 at worst on par 3's
                Avoiding doubles (or worse), is fundamental to breaking 90 or lower. The easiest way, is to avoid falling for the temptation of the "miracle" shot, and instead pitching out / short , etc, playing for a fairly certain bogey.

                Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                6. Stay out of traps (at least get out of them and on to the green)
                "At least get out of them on the green", is a 90-100 shooter mentality.

                It's been said countless times before, short game is the biggest stroke saver area. To break 80 consistently, your sand game needs to be better than just "get on the green". 10-20 feet from the hole out of an "average" bunker is within anyone's ability with "average" amount of practice.


                Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                7. 9 GIR's (Collar or right by the green, within 20'-30' of hole in fairway counts)
                Good / great putting and chipping can make up for missing greens Tour pros have broken 70, hitting less than 10 gir.

                I have broken 80 many times hitting 7-10 GIR or less.

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                • #9
                  Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                  Many good points. Not hitting GIR isn't too bad a problem as long as your short game saves you ie. chips into 4-5 foot circle and make those putts.

                  Another big factor is not wasting shots, again, no chips that leave you with 10 footers for par, and if you get in trouble no 'hero' shots that end up hitting trees and worsening your situation leading to doubles/triples.(one recalls Duval plugged on 1 recently who ended up with a triple vs. Mickelson who took an unplayable) If you get into the woods or bush, pitch it out and take the bogey, or if you hit a nice recovery, par.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                    Originally posted by tywl View Post
                    Nice post Anthony...do you have a similar list for breaking 90...because thats where I am at present
                    How long have you been playing?

                    How often do you play / practice ?

                    Where are you losing shots?

                    How many "disaster" (>= double bogeys) do you have a round? Playing for a bogey instead of trying the "hero" shot is often the cure.

                    1) Do you strike the ball (reasonably) squarely all the time?.
                    I.e. No dub/flub/extreme fat/thin shots - best achieved by a smooth tempo using 75-80% of your effort.

                    2) Do you have a predictable shot "shape" (draw, fade, straight) ? If not, either your setup or tempo or swing mechanics have a flaw to be worked out.

                    3) Are you keeping the ball in play off the tee ?,( edge of rough, avoiding hazards ?)near the greens in 2

                    - 4-5 l GIR, more is better . Gir can be increased by :
                    --- 1) taking one more club, and swinging easier, instead of relying on your all time best yardage
                    ----2) on shots longer than ~150 yards, aim for the "fat" part of the green, avoiding "short siding yourself"
                    --3 ) Sometimes on shots >200 yards might be be better to lay up short if a green is severely bunkered / water hazard etc.

                    The driver is just another club, and shouldn't be swung any harder than a smooth 6 iron.

                    How far are your average chips / pitches / sand shots finishing from the hole?

                    How many putts / round are you taking ?

                    Trying "impossible" shots is often a problem for higher handicap players.

                    Jack Nicklaus wrote in his book "Golf My Way" ... "When a high handicap golfer tries to hit a 3wood out of a downhill lie in deep rough over a 30 foot tree that's just in front of them, they just don't realize that the shot can't be done"

                    If you kept every tee shot in play, landed every second shot near the green, hit the green in 3, two putted all but one green there's 89 . Get up and down a few times, hit 4-5 greens and you're in the mid 80's.

                    Get up and down a LOT, and hit 6-12 greens, make a few putts and you're in the 70's (sort of describes my game !)

                    Go to a tour event and watch a pro shooting ~par. :

                    1) Ball always hit "pure" or close to it. (consistent tempo) (compared to the avg AM anyway)

                    Hit ~60% of the fairways, avoid the "nasty" spots off the tee. Hit 9-14 GIR, most of the them ~15-20 feet from pin, few or no three putts, make a couple putts, there's par or a couple under. Easy game

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                    • #11
                      Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                      Anthony...here's a real simple tip on how to break 90.

                      Play every hole like it's one stroke more. Put away the driver if it is the cause of problems or you are on a tight hole.
                      With this mindset all you need is one PAR and the rest bogeys and you have broken 90.
                      Keep it simple.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                        Originally posted by tywl View Post
                        Nice post Anthony...do you have a simular list for breaking 90...because thats where I am at present
                        Okay here goes..... Many will disagree.....

                        1. Learn to hit a driver.... Short hitters need it as far out as possible
                        2. Hope your bad shots are on holes you can get away with it on. For instance if there is trouble right off the tee try and hit it left away from trouble.
                        3. Use the right club. If you are inconsistent with your SW and you have a shot where you can hit a safer pitch with a 9 or 7I instead, use those clubs.
                        4. This is exactly opposite of Harvey Penick.... If you are between clubs, always choose the longer club and an easier swing, as opposed to a full swing, muscling the shorter club. 80-85% of the time average golfers come up short, so you probably need that longer club in any case.
                        5. Try and get as close to the green as possible, which means learn to hit fairway woods from the fairway and as said Driver off the tee. Only caveat is when there is too much risk (i.e. going for the green, with hazards, when you can actually lay up.
                        6. Play from the right tee box. Again I say as a shorter hitter, you want to play a game where a good tee shot rewards you with a short iron, a so-so tee shot, you still have a chance to hit the green, if you have to hit a wood to make the green on your second shot after a good drive on 7 of 10 par 4's (or off the tee on a par 3), you are playing the wrong tee.
                        7. Practice lag putting and really concentrate (my biggest problem) on short putts.
                        8. Aim for the middle of the green or to the safe side of the green on a tucked pin. Ie. if Sand is to the right of the pin, try and aim left left of the pin, not right at it, where there is a bigger chance you end up in the bunker.
                        9. Try and miss putt on pro side, which means the high side of the hole..... At least those putts have a chance to be made. Low side putts have no chance.
                        9. Just play smart.....
                        10. I call it the 6/6/6 game, 6 pars, 6 bogeys,6 doubles and you have shot 90.... Should be able to reduce the doubles by 1-2 and get lucky with a birdie and an extra par and you're there.


                        Just some of my suggestions......

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                        • #13
                          Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                          Another good mental trick is to consider every hole is a par 5.

                          It is easier to play under par when your not thinking about 72, if breaking 90 is the goal you would be surprised how it changes your mindset.

                          A par on a par 3 can erase a double on a par 5 for example.

                          5 x 18 = 90
                          D: Adams XTD ti 10.5*
                          F: Adams XTD ti 15*
                          H: RBZ TP 18.5*
                          H: RBZ TP 21.5*
                          I: ????
                          W: PING MB 52*(bent to 50*)
                          W: PING MB 54*
                          W: PING MB 60*(bent to 58*)
                          P: ????

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                          • #14
                            Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                            Originally posted by Pingeye2_fan View Post
                            Another good mental trick is to consider every hole is a par 5.

                            It is easier to play under par when your not thinking about 72, if breaking 90 is the goal you would be surprised how it changes your mindset.

                            A par on a par 3 can erase a double on a par 5 for example.

                            5 x 18 = 90
                            I used to think like that too. I still try to in a way, just a little different though.

                            When it was my goal to break 90 I would always tell myself to just make a 5 on every hole, all of a sudden you make a few 4s and maybe a par on a par 3 and the game gets much more relaxed.

                            I'm now at the point where I'm trying to give myself a chance to be in the 70s every round, the numbers have changed a little bit but the attitude hasn't. My goal now is to give myself a reasonable chance at par on every hole. Reasonable being that I'm unlikely to make worse than a bogey, obviously reasonable also depends on the situation I am in, for example if I'm in the forest my goal would be to chip out and get on the green, then I'd have a putt for par and a 2 putt for bogey. When you're 20 feet out putting for birdie the focus changes towards getting down in 2, likewise when you've got a 10 footer for birdie up the hill, this is where I get aggressive and try to get a stroke back.

                            The biggest thing I've found to breaking the various numbers is how to approach the game. It really is amazing what course management and mental approach can do for you. If you are being reasonable with your goals relative to your skill and experience level, there is no reason that you can't beat them with some practice and smart play.

                            I always used to try the hero shot, then that becomes another hero shot, now all of a sudden you've got a really tough up and down for double. It's hard to score well playing that way.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Breaking 90, 80 or 70....

                              Originally posted by Anthony View Post
                              Now for me Breaking 80 would require
                              1. Off the tee and no lost balls - 1-2 can be loose, but can't ground them 50-100 yards or hit into the woods
                              2. All shots must be in direction of green, no shanks or hooks or slices
                              3. Par 3 of the par 5's (6's really hurt the scorecard)
                              4. +2 at worst on par 3's
                              5. At least 1 birdie
                              6. Stay out of traps (at least get out of them and on to the green)
                              7. 9 GIR's (Collar or right by the green, within 20'-30' of hole in fairway counts)
                              8. No doubles
                              9. No more then two 3 putts
                              10. Make those 5'
                              11. Make at least one long putt
                              12. 2 Up and downs
                              13. No penalties
                              14. Good leaves if you do make a bad swing
                              Great list. I scored 83 today at Remington-Parkview's Valley course, and if it weren't for the double and a bogey on two par-5s (nothing peeves me more than bogeying a par5.) and if I had hit more greens, I'd have broken 80.
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