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    Surprised I missed this ...

    Mickelson to enter hall of fame

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    Your sure did miss it. That is a week's old new. He's earned his way so it's a deserving honour.

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      It's easy to overlook a golf hall of fame induction. It's the nature of the beast. Because a player like Mickelson can get in while still active, and still one of the top-ranked players in the game (even if he has fallen out of the top 10), it doesn't generate the kind of interest as other sports.

      When a baseball or hockey player goes into the hall of fame, there's usually a waiting period after their retirement, so nostalgia has been built up. (That's why I thought it was a shame when, for example, the Hockey Hall of Fame waived the waiting period for Gretzky. The guy had barely stepped off the ice when he went in. It would have been nice to celebrate him at his retirement, wait a few years, then celebrate him as a hall of famer. But I digress ...)

      It is, unfortunately, how things have to work in golf. Players play on the PGA well into their forties and can be serious contenders. If we waited until their retirement, they could be so far removed from their "glory" years that the nostalgia would be for a far distant past. I think Arnold Palmer played his last round on the Champions Tour five years ago -- imagine if he were only eligible now!

      So, guys go in while still playing. Kills the excitement, but what can you do.

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      • #4
        Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

        Is Tiger in ?
        Should be ahead of Mickelson

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by jimfastcar View Post
          Is Tiger in ?
          Should be ahead of Mickelson
          Only 3 replies to get Tiger into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Tiger ! A new record ?

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          • #6
            Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

            Originally posted by shankuverymuch View Post
            Only 3 replies to get Tiger into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Tiger ! A new record ?
            Better than Phil....

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              Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

              I believe you must be minimum of 40 yrs old to gain entry to Golf Hall of Fame.
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by jimfastcar View Post
                Better than Phil....
                Tiger who? At least Phil will sign an autograph for the kids. Are we discussing golf or being a family man or both?
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                • #9
                  Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

                  Originally posted by TourIQ View Post
                  Tiger who? At least Phil will sign an autograph for the kids. Are we discussing golf or being a family man or both?
                  Golf Hall of Fame, just like Pete Rose should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame

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                    First, let me say that Phil's induction into Golf's Hall of Fame is well deserved. As for Charlie Hustle, he knew that gambling on the game would keep him out of Baseball's Hall of Fame. Yet, he gambled on baseball, and then lied about it. That he's not been inducted should, therefore, come as no surprise. If Pete Rose gets in, then so should Shoeless Joe Jackson.

                    Originally posted by jimfastcar View Post
                    Golf Hall of Fame, just like Pete Rose should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame
                    This isn't a dress rehearsal. Enjoy yourself. There's no do-over.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

                      Ells has been in for a few years now as well.

                      anybody been to the GHoF? Amazing place. Didn't go in, but walked the grounds. really cool

                      I think it's awesome that Phil is being inducted.

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                        Originally posted by mpare View Post
                        First, let me say that Phil's induction into Golf's Hall of Fame is well deserved. As for Charlie Hustle, he knew that gambling on the game would keep him out of Baseball's Hall of Fame. Yet, he gambled on baseball, and then lied about it. That he's not been inducted should, therefore, come as no surprise. If Pete Rose gets in, then so should Shoeless Joe Jackson.
                        I have always had a real hard time equating the morality with the sports proficiency. To me, they are separate. Just my opinion, as it is not called the Baseball and "Good person" Hall of Fame

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                          My initial response to your post was dismissive. However, on reflection, you have a point. The problem, as I have found since looking into it, is that the criteria for induction is open ended. For example, the Baseball Writers Association of American is governed accordingly:

                          "3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:
                          A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
                          B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
                          C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
                          D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
                          E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

                          There is no morality clause included in that criteria. However, clause E is the real kicker. Either the Commissioner of Baseball or a six member screening committee, I am not sure which, may place a person on the ineligibility list. If there are guidelines which govern the exercise that authority, they are not easily located. Even the National Baseball Hall of Fame site does not seem to list them.

                          It would appear that any past or present player may be put on the ineligibility list for having tarnished the baseball's repute. Conduct that could be said to be detrimental to baseball is an open question. One gets a sense of the arbitrary nature of the criteria, when one considers that Mantle and Mays "both retired and both in no way involved in baseball anymore, were banned [by then Commissioner Kuhn] in 1983 after they were hired by casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as greeters and autograph signers." They were later reinstated by Commissioner Peter Ueberroth. Admittedly, this was a question of banishment from baseball by the Commissioner and not an issue of being place on the ineligible list, but the arbitrary nature of the process is similar.

                          If Baseball is going to place individuals on an ineligibility list, then it should do so on the basis on a clearly articulated set of criteria to remove any suggestion of arbitrariness. If they exist, they are so well hidden that even baseball writers are unaware of them. By contrast, the eligibility criteria for Golf's Hall of Fame is very clear.



                          Originally posted by jimfastcar View Post
                          I have always had a real hard time equating the morality with the sports proficiency. To me, they are separate. Just my opinion, as it is not called the Baseball and "Good person" Hall of Fame
                          Last edited by mpare; Dec 3, 2011, 09:44 AM.
                          This isn't a dress rehearsal. Enjoy yourself. There's no do-over.

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                            Awesome. A baseball thread broke out! Anytime I can talk about baseball and golf in the same thread, I'm a happy man.

                            It is correct that Rose is not eligible for the Hall of Fame as long as he is banned from baseball. The question isn't whether he should be in the Hall of Fame, because he's not even eligible. The question is whether his lifetime ban should be lifted.

                            And that depends on how serious we think his offences were. He bet on games involving his own team -- that we know for a fact. How serious is that? It can affect the way a manager manages for individual games -- burning an arm he wouldn't ordinarily, etc. I think that's pretty serious, but not "lifetime ban" serious.

                            However, there has been speculation over the years that the commissioner's office has knowledge or suspicion of dirtier deeds. Specifically, betting against his own team. The chief investigator even said publicly at one point that he believes Rose bet against his own team. That is far more serious, and, in my mind, unforgiveable. I wouldn't let a guy in the Hall if he'd bet against his own team, since, obviously, it gives him motivation to throw a game.

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                              Re: Mickelson to Enter Hall of Fame

                              I don't care WHAT THEY did (while not playing), as an Athlete that I enjoyed watching, if they've got the NUMBERS, they should be IN the Hall of Fame....

                              Tiger Woods
                              Phil Mickelson
                              Pete Rose
                              Barry Bonds
                              Mark McGwire
                              Every great idea starts out as a blasphemy

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