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    Big Bay Point Golf and Country Club president protests a designation blocking future expansion plan

    Big Bay Point Golf ClubJanis Ramsay/Metroland

    The Big Bay Point Golf Club is hoping for a nine-hole expansion, but won't be able to develop if the land is rezoned as natural environmental area.Feb. 28, 2017

    Innisfil Journal

    By*Janis Ramsay*

    Innisfil's desire to create more environmentally-protected land isn’t making everyone happy.

    A public meeting March 1 addressed a few changes in the town’s zoning map, converting agricultural land to either rural residential or natural environmental area.

    “The map amendments impact approximately individual 133 properties,” town planner Michelle Banfield said in her note to council. “Most of the mapping amendments are to correct inconsistencies between agricultural (AG) and environmental protection (EP) zones. In these instances, the proposed mapping change is intended to be consistent with a Natural Environmental Area designation in the Town Official Plan.”

    The bulk of the changes are happening off Big Bay Point Road, just south of Barrie.

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    Re: Innisfil zoning change could sink golf course expansion

    I wonder if the Friday Harbour development put a stop to it?

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      I have played this course soo many times. I actually live just up the road and I find this funny because BBP golf club and its members were strongly opposed to any development in the big bay point area siting environmental impact. Now that friday harbour is there whether they like it or not its funny how their attitudes are changing.
      They are put little money into the course or facilities and have blocked pretty much every effort to due so up until now. in my opinion, they need all new irrigation, a new clubhouse, some sort of practice facility, new equipment probably a larger equipment storage facility all while sitting on an extremely wet area.
      For decades they over charged for what they had because they could as they were the convenient option for the wealthy cottages owners and unfortunately instead of updating with the times which they refused now they are stuck with their back up against the wall.
      Even up until a few years ago their attitude was our members will never leave us etc etc. I guess now they finally excepted the reality.
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        Originally posted by hammy1983 View Post
        I have played this course soo many times. I actually live just up the road and I find this funny because BBP golf club and its members were strongly opposed to any development in the big bay point area siting environmental impact. Now that friday harbour is there whether they like it or not its funny how their attitudes are changing.
        They are put little money into the course or facilities and have blocked pretty much every effort to due so up until now. in my opinion, they need all new irrigation, a new clubhouse, some sort of practice facility, new equipment probably a larger equipment storage facility all while sitting on an extremely wet area.
        For decades they over charged for what they had because they could as they were the convenient option for the wealthy cottages owners and unfortunately instead of updating with the times which they refused now they are stuck with their back up against the wall.
        Even up until a few years ago their attitude was our members will never leave us etc etc. I guess now they finally excepted the reality.
        This sounds a bit harsh I'd say, though I don't know decades worth of their history.

        Overcharge? Maybe they did, but currently at $650 (and yes I know this includes no weekends during the summer) for an annual membership, doesn't seem like very much to me. Not sure how much they could have possibly charged in the past but even double would seem reasonable when golf was a lot more in demand.

        Were they opposed to Friday Harbour the golf course or Friday Harbour the resort community? It would still make sense to be against developing a resort community even if BBP wants to expand with another 9 holes. I'm not sure how that would point to "attitudes are changing."

        BBP is a 9-hole course, I wouldn't ever imagine requiring any sort of practice facility other than a small putting green and maybe a net.

        At $650 for annual dues, if the clubhouse is functional, not sure what more they need.

        Anyway, everyone sees things as they seem them.

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          Re: Innisfil zoning change could sink golf course expansion

          Lots of other options in the area
          Every great idea starts out as a blasphemy

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            Re: Innisfil zoning change could sink golf course expansion

            Originally posted by nearace View Post
            Big Bay Point Golf and Country Club president protests a designation blocking future expansion plan

            Big Bay Point Golf ClubJanis Ramsay/Metroland

            The Big Bay Point Golf Club is hoping for a nine-hole expansion, but won't be able to develop if the land is rezoned as natural environmental area.Feb. 28, 2017

            Innisfil Journal

            By*Janis Ramsay*

            Innisfil's desire to create more environmentally-protected land isn’t making everyone happy.

            A public meeting March 1 addressed a few changes in the town’s zoning map, converting agricultural land to either rural residential or natural environmental area.

            “The map amendments impact approximately individual 133 properties,” town planner Michelle Banfield said in her note to council. “Most of the mapping amendments are to correct inconsistencies between agricultural (AG) and environmental protection (EP) zones. In these instances, the proposed mapping change is intended to be consistent with a Natural Environmental Area designation in the Town Official Plan.”

            The bulk of the changes are happening off Big Bay Point Road, just south of Barrie.
            I have no knowledge of this issue whatsoever or the land involved, but converting an area currently designated as agricultural (used as agricultural?) to either rural residential OR a Natural Environmental Area seems rather odd. Those objectives are quite contrary, especially if agricultural land is sacrificed.

            It would also require converting an existing commercial land use and reclaiming it as a natural space. If the potential natural values of this land are so important as to be considered for such designation and reclamation, why limit any such future use of that land for that purpose, by considering rural residential, instead of just leaving it as agricultural?

            Would be interesting to understand the reasoning here.

            Fortunately there are no rules limiting the number of golf balls you can carry during a match!

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              Re: Innisfil zoning change could sink golf course expansion

              Originally posted by AverageJoe View Post
              This sounds a bit harsh I'd say, though I don't know decades worth of their history.

              Overcharge? Maybe they did, but currently at $650 (and yes I know this includes no weekends during the summer) for an annual membership, doesn't seem like very much to me. Not sure how much they could have possibly charged in the past but even double would seem reasonable when golf was a lot more in demand.

              Were they opposed to Friday Harbour the golf course or Friday Harbour the resort community? It would still make sense to be against developing a resort community even if BBP wants to expand with another 9 holes. I'm not sure how that would point to "attitudes are changing."

              BBP is a 9-hole course, I wouldn't ever imagine requiring any sort of practice facility other than a small putting green and maybe a net.

              At $650 for annual dues, if the clubhouse is functional, not sure what more they need.

              Anyway, everyone sees things as they seem them.

              It might sound harsh but its the truth. The 650 membership just started and the full time members were not happy about it. I'm not sure what initiation fees were but I know annual member dues were around 3500 about 6 years about.
              The clubhouse is outdated with no real kitchen facilities which is fine for the course it is but expand to 18 and trying to compete with friday harbour you are going to need a lot more. Its important to note they never wanted to expand or improve prior to friday harbour.

              Originally posted by Fore Warned View Post
              I have no knowledge of this issue whatsoever or the land involved, but converting an area currently designated as agricultural (used as agricultural?) to either rural residential OR a Natural Environmental Area seems rather odd. Those objectives are quite contrary, especially if agricultural land is sacrificed.

              It would also require converting an existing commercial land use and reclaiming it as a natural space. If the potential natural values of this land are so important as to be considered for such designation and reclamation, why limit any such future use of that land for that purpose, by considering rural residential, instead of just leaving it as agricultural?

              Would be interesting to understand the reasoning here.
              It is odd. from my understanding the reason it was done is because BBP G&CC and its wealthy members were one of the biggest groups opposed to friday harbour. In return Innisfil said FH could go ahead but had to adhere to added environmental protects as well as include x amount of green space and to make the opposed happy, more area in BBP will be converted to green space.
              I hope both course survive and do well in the area. My point is BBP G&CC spent so much time opposing FH that it didnt focus on what they should have which is BBP G&CC.
              Last edited by hammy1983; Mar 8, 2017, 07:41 AM.
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