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    If someone could explain the weight effect of the club head after cutting down the shaft? I've been hearing you must counter balance by adding weight to head after you cut the shaft... no one ever mentions why? what happens if one doesn't? weight distribution is off which does what?

    Just want to get a little more understanding on the subject.
    In the bag:
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  • #2
    Re: Cutting down driver shaft

    I am no expert but I did wonder the same before. In my novice explanation would be that when you do butt trim a shaft the swing weight is lost... So in my words would be its a little more headlight when you cut down the shaft much like a hammer with a shorter handle. If you want the hammer head to feel the same you would want to add the weight back on the head to counteract the effects of a shorter handle. If the weight distribution is off ie. the head is going to feel lighter maybe you will just swing it through even faster? (not 100% on that)

    Thats just what I had in my head. I am not really good at explaining things so maybe some other nuts with more knowledge and are better with words can help you clear it up a little more. just my 2cent

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    • #3
      Re: Cutting down driver shaft

      I think I read (and people who really know please chime in) but for every inch you butt trim a shaft you lose 6 swing weight points. I've trimmed shafts as much as 3/4 inch with no issue and the club felt the same. I have added lighter grips which helps even things out some.
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      • #4
        Re: Cutting down driver shaft

        Ok so for argument sakes it's 6 swing weight points.. but what does that mean and translate to.

        In my mind if I find the ballance point of my club and cut the butt end, it will tip forward towards the head meaning you have to add weight to the butt, not the head.

        But again, I'm more concerned with the why.. why should we counter balance after cutting, what are the effects.. what does it throw off, would the face react different etc.
        In the bag:
        -TaylorMade R15 driver/ aldila nv 2kxv 65g x-stiff
        -Cleveland Classic 3 Wood strong 14*
        -TaylorMade Burner 2.0 5-PW irons
        -Nike Vr 58, 54, 52 deg. wedge
        -Custom milled putter from 303SS

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        • #5
          Re: Cutting down driver shaft

          mainly feel I believe and if you trim too much... shaft stiffness.
          Bag: PING Hoofer Camo / Moonlite Floral
          Driver: TM SIM2 MAX @ 10.5*
          Wood: TM SIM2 MAX @ 15*
          Hybrids: TM SIM2 22*
          Irons: Wishon Sterling SL 6-SW
          Wedge: KZG Forged TRS Grind 60*
          Putter: SGC WB Northwood
          Lovingly built by: Dan's Custom Golf

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          • #6
            Re: Cutting down driver shaft

            I actually read butt trimming affects stiffness marginally, it's tip trimming that has more effect. But that isn't the same as balance.

            The feel will change simple from shaft being shorter.. if that's all it was then no biggie
            In the bag:
            -TaylorMade R15 driver/ aldila nv 2kxv 65g x-stiff
            -Cleveland Classic 3 Wood strong 14*
            -TaylorMade Burner 2.0 5-PW irons
            -Nike Vr 58, 54, 52 deg. wedge
            -Custom milled putter from 303SS

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            • #7
              Re: Cutting down driver shaft

              It will have a swing weight effect, and have some effect on stiffness. Generally 1 inch or less you are fine, more than an inch and it will play noticeably stiffer even from butt trimming. However if you add back weight to the head to maintain swingweight it will generally have a net softening effect on the shaft, or the shaft will play outside of its designed parameters. I say go for it, nothing to lose really unless its a really expensive shaft.
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              • #8
                Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                I've had countless shafts trimmed down and never concerned myself with stiffness or swingweight. While there will be changes, unless you are significantly concerned with these things, it likely won't matter much to you.
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                • #9
                  Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                  It all depends if you can feel it or not.
                  For me I cut my shaft once like 4 years ago. While i wasn't all that good of s golfer back then and couldn't really "feel" the difference in weight results were horrible.
                  I was missing all over. I then added weight to the head and instantly like instantly shot dispersion became normal again, however like I said with or without the 3 grams that I added I couldn't feel any different but results were night and day.
                  Having said all of this. I did not gain any consistency in hitting fairways, so went back to 45 inch driver.
                  I actually feel more comfortable with a longer driver I feel like it's easier to make a bigger shoulder turn.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                    Originally posted by Doba View Post
                    I actually read butt trimming affects stiffness marginally, it's tip trimming that has more effect. But that isn't the same as balance.

                    The feel will change simple from shaft being shorter.. if that's all it was then no biggie
                    yes you will change very little else other than the balance point, which will be closer to the clubhead now.
                    The only major effect of a weight change will be on your swing timing. You'll have to muck with that.
                    things change

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                      If you have a TM or Titleist or Ping driver you can buy weights from a seller on ebay located in the GTA. I have several weights for my 915 driver & fairway & hybrid, and also a roll of lead tape in the bag.

                      Even different shafts weighted in the same weight class ( say 65gr ) may feel different in the same head ( depending on flex, torque, and shaft construction).
                      2gr + / - can aid in dialing in your desired feel.
                      Last edited by ARL67; Jul 7, 2016, 05:41 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                        As you cut down the length of a shaft - the head is no longer heavy enough for the new length.

                        So let's cut down a driver by 1 inch hypothetically.
                        The driver head is 200g for a 45 inch total length club. As clubs get shorter the head gets heavier to maintain - lets say a D2 swing weight. One swing weight point is 2g of head weight. So we need to increase the head weight by 12g to maintain a D2 swing weight.

                        So cutting the driver by 1 inch the head is now 12g too light for its new length, and it will feel head light to most. Now during the swing you start to loose the ability to feel the head at the top of your swing. By adding back in the 12g the feel will return.

                        All that being said, many players will experience very little difference in the feel, where a good player will pick up on this quickly.

                        Your big long driver is the lightest club in your bag and your short little sand wedge is the heaviest (by 100g in head weight alone).

                        Try swinging a shaft with no head on it and you will get what I mean.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                          Perfect, thanks Dan for that great explanation.

                          I do have that issue with the head being a little too light for me, my other daily driver..lol.. is heavier and works better for me.. i'd like to experiment furthermore with lead tape see how my swing reacts with different weight distributions.
                          In the bag:
                          -TaylorMade R15 driver/ aldila nv 2kxv 65g x-stiff
                          -Cleveland Classic 3 Wood strong 14*
                          -TaylorMade Burner 2.0 5-PW irons
                          -Nike Vr 58, 54, 52 deg. wedge
                          -Custom milled putter from 303SS

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                          • #14
                            Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                            and ....

                            Swingweight is an old method that attempts to balance out a set of golf clubs that all have different lengths using static weight.

                            Another option is moment of inertia that attempts to balance out a set of clubs using the force required to swing a club. Using moment of inertia a standard length / weight driver requires too much force and reducing its length helps lower the moment of inertia to bring it more in line with the rest of the clubs.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cutting down driver shaft

                              Originally posted by ctv1 View Post
                              a standard length / weight driver requires too much force and reducing its length helps lower the moment of inertia to bring it more in line with the rest of the clubs.
                              AAAHHH, maybe this is why DeChamboe took weight off from the bottom of his driver head ?
                              Thanks and cheers !

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