I'm a bit confused why so many are surprised at a putt fading. My buddy and playing partner for years before he moved put a slice stroke on every putt he made and they all spun to the right. In scrambles I would account for this and if the putt was 2 balls outside left, I would tell him 4 balls. And I should add, he was a very decent putter.
I'm a bit confused why so many are surprised at a putt fading. My buddy and playing partner for years before he moved put a slice stroke on every putt he made and they all spun to the right. In scrambles I would account for this and if the putt was 2 balls outside left, I would tell him 4 balls. And I should add, he was a very decent putter.
Completely agree... one of my friend (5 hdcp) does this all the time. He basically cut the ball... outside in path... ball will have a bit of spin on it and fade at the end...
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Completely agree... one of my friend (5 hdcp) does this all the time. He basically cut the ball... outside in path... ball will have a bit of spin on it and fade at the end...
Sorry...can't see it. The ball will be rolling end over end within the first foot of the putt. Probably 8" actually. The ball is airbourn for a half dozen inches but then it hits the ground and begins to roll. To cut a ball and have it spin where it affects the path late in the putt would blow putts way past the hole.
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Sorry...can't see it. The ball will be rolling end over end within the first foot of the putt. Probably 8" actually. The ball is airbourn for a half dozen inches but then it hits the ground and begins to roll. To cut a ball and have it spin where it affects the path late in the putt would blow putts way past the hole.
Have to agree there. I doubt very much that anyone could hit a real putt (i.e. on a green to a specific distance) such that there was 'spin' on the ball.
The ball can miss even on off center hits and has been proven with robotics. We did testing at Ralph Maltby's and it does happen. Toe up or down can also influence the initial direction as putters have loft. We tested this on 22 foot putts and the robot missed every time.
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The ball can miss even on off center hits and has been proven with robotics. We did testing at Ralph Maltby's and it does happen. Toe up or down can also influence the initial direction as putters have loft. We tested this on 22 foot putts and the robot missed every time.
But that's a straight push or pull. You have to start the ball on the right line, but spin on the ball due to putter stroke causing late breaks?
The friction when the ball skips (usually at the beginning of the putt) is affected by the kinetic coefficient of friction which is lower than the static coefficient of friction that occurs on the part of the putt where the ball is rolling end over end. So the answer is YES, you can impart a slice putt or a draw putt but it looks a little different than the ball flight in air.
The best example I can give is to watch a pro bowler impart a spin on a bowling ball. In golf, the off axis putt due to a non orthogonal stroke is less pronounced but over 20', it is enough for you to miss the hole.
What's in my ClicGear-3.5 or Turf Chopper cart?
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TM R5 3FW w/Nunchuk shaft
TM Rescue Mid 3, 4, 5 w/E-21 Eagle One shafts PXG Gen 1 0311 6 - PW w/E-21 Eagle One shafts
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The friction when the ball skips (usually at the beginning of the putt) is affected by the kinetic coefficient of friction which is lower than the static coefficient of friction that occurs on the part of the putt where the ball is rolling end over end. So the answer is YES, you can impart a slice putt or a draw putt but it looks a little different than the ball flight in air.
The best example I can give is to watch a pro bowler impart a spin on a bowling ball. In golf, the off axis putt due to a non orthogonal stroke is less pronounced but over 20', it is enough for you to miss the hole.
I have an economics degree. You obviously have something else so I won't get into that discussion with you, but a bowling ball spins while it glides down the lane. My guess is the weight and speed of the ball and how little friction there is between the ball and lane are the reason why. I'm still not convinced you can put enough spin on a putt to make it break late.
Yes, I have an engineering degree but it was the guys at The Golf Lab in Vaughan that pointed this phenomenon to me. I was stunned at the notion but the SAM Putting rig can capture my stroke in 3 dimensions and I can purposely skew the putt to make it break. As for when it breaks, it depends on the point at which the skipping part of the roll converts to the end over end roll. This point occurs based on many factors related to the friction between the grass and the ball (turf make up, moisture/dew content, etc). Once a putt is a rolling with no slippage, it has to roll in the axis of rotation however. I don't believe that occurs at the end of a putt but more at the first third to the midpoint of the putt but again, there many factors that come into play.
What's in my ClicGear-3.5 or Turf Chopper cart?
TM SIM2 Max Driver, 10.5 R shaft
TM R5 3FW w/Nunchuk shaft
TM Rescue Mid 3, 4, 5 w/E-21 Eagle One shafts PXG Gen 1 0311 6 - PW w/E-21 Eagle One shafts
'09 Vokey SM 52, 56, 60
Scotty Cameron Studio Select 2.0 Putter
Pro-V1x
I've tried to follow the logic of the points being made here.
If I have a PING putter (purchased on BST, BTW) with a strong arc, and I've been fitted for a slight arc, do I put the lead tape on the heel or the toe to address this problem? Or does lead tape not fix my problem?
Why did I buy this specific putter? It was improperly labelled with the nice shiny PING tag on the shaft and I didn't check the balance.
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