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View Poll Results: When considering the purchase of new clubs, how important is it which pros play them?
Very important 3 3.57%
Somewhat important 11 13.10%
Not important at all 70 83.33%
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Old May 18, 2017, 06:05 PM   #1
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Default How important is it which pros play a brand

Interesting item about a survey on the influence the pros choice of clubs has on an amateurs club purchase

The mind of America is seized by a fatal dry rot - and it's only a question of time before all that the mind controls will run amuck in a frenzy of stupid impotent fear. (In a letter dated 9-26-58)
http://www.geoffshackelford.com/home...ose-clubs.html

So I am going to ask the same question.
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Old May 18, 2017, 06:10 PM   #2
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Utterly unimportant*.

I'm not a pro. I don't have a pro's swing or game or time for practice.

I don't need their equipment. I can't play their equipment.

*Except for sunglasses. At least I can look like a pro in that way...
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Old May 19, 2017, 01:02 AM   #3
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It's not important at all to me, as the assortment of odds and ends in my golf bag attests.
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Old May 19, 2017, 01:32 AM   #4
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In 15 years at Golf Town, not one person has asked me for the club that player X uses on Tour.
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Old May 19, 2017, 02:08 AM   #5
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I voted no.

It doesn't matter to me which pro plays my brand of clubs but it is somewhat comforting to know that at least some pros play the same brand I do.
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Old May 19, 2017, 02:20 AM   #6
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I think the only one time a pro influenced my decision to buy golf-related gear is when I saw Shingo Katayama wearing a pair of Asics golf shoes at the Masters.
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Old May 19, 2017, 02:38 AM   #7
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What really influences me in buying a certain club is what players are using years after its discontinuation (Ping Eye 2s, Lehman and his Superquad (not anymore) and VSteels) One tour player is still using a custom set of Ping i5s with conforming grooves and reduced offset which tells me that those older models can still hold their own against the latest and greatest. If those pros are playing those same clubs without an equipment contract that's even a bigger plus.
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Old May 19, 2017, 03:06 AM   #8
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I probably tried the Nike one platinum because Tiger played it. The only time I consciously made a purchase based on pro usage.
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Old May 19, 2017, 03:06 AM   #9
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Most amateurs would not be able to play the clubs touring pros use. The driver, for example may say TaylorMade M1 but, it is not something you could buy at Golf Town.
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Old May 19, 2017, 03:06 AM   #10
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I think the only one time a pro influenced my decision to buy golf-related gear is when I saw Shingo Katayama wearing a pair of Asics golf shoes at the Masters.
I am more concerned about what a pro may wear, and whether i like their overall style (see mcilroy v spieth) than who swings what club. my swing is my own.
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I echo this statement.


QUOTE=Ignatius Reilly;1663422]Utterly unimportant*.

I'm not a pro. I don't have a pro's swing or game or time for practice.

I don't need their equipment. I can't play their equipment.

*Except for sunglasses. At least I can look like a pro in that way... [/QUOTE]
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Old May 19, 2017, 03:27 AM   #12
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I would bet the farm that if the big names started using Wilson or Topflight clubs more (like Rory/Tiger/DJ) sales would dramatically increase.

I do contend we subconsciously are influenced by what the pro's are using.
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Old May 19, 2017, 03:56 AM   #13
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it's ridiculous to deny the impact that pro's have on what we use because
the majority of us play name brands and wear name brands.
A name brand buys us immunity within the herd, so when you fluff a shot someone is apt to complement your hat.
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Seeing the brand pros play and wear does have influence - manufacturers wouldn't be paying big dollars to players if it didn't.

I started playing when Vijay was on his tear in 2004, I've been a fan of Cleveland clubs ever since - I'll always keep my full bag of Cleveland-Srixon gear, wether it be back-up or main bag.
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Old May 19, 2017, 04:36 AM   #15
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The big brands sure spend a lot of money to have Pros game their products, so they certainly believe what they play influences our decision-making.

I'll admit I've tested an M2 driver more than once over the past 2 years after seeing how widely adopted it's been on tour. I haven't bought one, though I got seduced by watching Sunday afternoon golf!
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Old May 19, 2017, 05:44 AM   #16
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For me I think it comes down to areas of the bag that the general public see as mimic-worthy. For instance, 12 years ago when I first started working in golf retail nobody had a hybrid in their bag and stock sets were 3-Pw. Now, many tour pros are at worst carrying a driving iron thing as a 3 iron and playing their sets 4-PW (I know their are some exceptions to the rule). On the amateur side of things, most people opt for hybrids/easier to hit irons on the long end of the set. You can't even really get a 3-PW set anymore as stock, and many companies have forgone the 3i entirely (M2, G/GMax, and I'm sure there are more).

So amateurs saw that tour pros are hitting easier clubs in the long end and adopted this practice. Same with wedges. Most people would probably benefit from hitting a mega chunky SGI-matching wedge out of the sand/rough. However, tour pros have illustrated how much more finesse you can have with feel and spin and shot flight with a tour-level wedge like a Vokey and Cleveland, which have become a staple in many amateur's bags. Further, putters are an area where the masses mimic the pros. Scotty Cameron built an empire off of Tiger when he was in his prime due to his Newport 2. Every other guy I played with seemed to have a Scotty or at least had given it a fair run. I mean, if the best player ever (or so we thought) was using one, why wasn't I? The only difference was a modified sight dot and the quality of the steel. I bet 9/10 guys wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a GSS and a Studio Stainless in terms of feel unless it was labelled.

We are seeing the same putter trend currently with the Spider Tours. They are selling out like crazy. I can't keep them in stock, and at least 10 people a day try them out. It doesn't hurt that every week you see someone in the final group using one.

While to me it doesn't matter what a player uses, as I play what works best for me, there is definitely some subconscious influence in the style and makeup of a bag that comes from television.
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I probably tried the Nike one platinum because Tiger played it. The only time I consciously made a purchase based on pro usage.
How can a Pingnut play Nike equipment?
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not at all. I don't watch much golf - mostly the majors. I get most of my info on here, wrx, etc. but don't care much of who plays what. Same goes for clothes. I like Puma clothing and shoes, mostly for the fit but wear it in spite of Ricky, since I prefer a little more toned down than what he wears (and nothing orange). And those hightops are goofy.
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I voted "somewhat important"
....not for equipment, but certainly clothing, shoes & balls!!
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Completely unimportant. This was proven by Nike. They had the two most famous players in the world playing their clubs and still couldn't sell their clubs. They subsequently got out of the club-selling business.
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I was speaking to a guy that works at our biggest retailer out here.

He said that when Tiger made the switch to Bridgestone balls, they sold out of their stock almost immediately.

Now that he is back on the shelf, the balls aren't moving at all.
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Old May 21, 2017, 05:23 PM   #22
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I voted "very important" not because I personally care about what clubs in my bag are used by pros (as stated several times...as an amateur I wouldn't be able to use their equipment even if it were given to me for free!).

However, the strong sales and "hype" of a club (or even things like balls and clothes) are directly related to who uses them.

As pointed out earlier, TM Spider Tours are all the rage with DJ, Jason Day and Jon Rahm among others rocking them. TM M1/M2 are a hot commodity on tour and as well, in many amateur bags. Everyone loves and wants to use ProV1 balls as many pros do.

I think money talks and amongst the average consumer, they are saying that what pros play matters.
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Agree. I care more what guy are NOT paid to play. Mizuno irons have a lot of guys playing them not on contract, that tells they produce quality. Also, I check what top NCAA guys use too. Dont really care what guys are paid to play.
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Agree. I care more what guy are NOT paid to play. Mizuno irons have a lot of guys playing them not on contract, that tells they produce quality. Also, I check what top NCAA guys use too. Dont really care what guys are paid to play.
Unfortunately this isn't that reliable either. Most of the top university programs are sponsored by Ping and Titleist. The Oregon team had bags full of Nike gear the last few years too. The players cannot take the equipment for free but probably pay like $50 and get a full bag of gear. Now I don't pay much attention, but it is pretty curious to see college kids, who are on average some of the most broke adults on the planet on average, playing with bags that cost $2,500+ retail while they are in school and not winning any money due to their amateur status.

So, they 100% get sponsored as well. I can't remember the last time someone was using older equipment there. Last time I watched it the players had bags full of 716 AP2/CB irons, s55s, Nike Vapor Pro Combos, etc, and of course all with upgraded shafts too.
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