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    Below is a report from the USGA and R&A that concludes that driving distances haven't changes much in the last 10 years. Seems hard to believe when you see of these guys bombing it 300+ yards routinely. Thoughts?



    FAR HILLS, N.J., and ST. ANDREWS, Scotland (June 2, 2016) – The USGA and The R&A have published a research document that reports important facts on driving distance in professional golf. Supporting data comes from seven tours, including PGA TOUR data beginning in 1968.

    Key facts noted in the paper include:

    · Between 2003 and the end of the 2015 season, average driving distance on four of the seven tours increased about 1%, or 0.2 yards per year.

    · For the same period, average driving distance on the other three of the seven tours studied decreased about 1%.

    · Looking at all of the players who are ranked for distance on the PGA TOUR and PGA European Tour, the amount by which players are “long” or “short” is virtually the same – for instance, the 10 shortest players in that group are about 6% shorter than average, while the 10 longest players in the group are about 7% longer than average. The statistics are not skewed toward added distance.

    · The average launch conditions on the PGA TOUR – clubhead speed, launch angle, ball speed and ball backspin – have been relatively stable since 2007. The 90th-percentile clubhead speed coupled with the average launch angle and spin rate are very close to the conditions that the USGA and The R&A, golf’s governing bodies, use to test golf balls under the Overall Distance Standard.

    In 2002, the USGA and The R&A co-authored the Joint Statement of Principles, which confirmed their commitment to the fundamental notion that skill, not technology, should be the primary determinant of success in the game. The Joint Statement acknowledged the benefits of equipment technology for golf, but noted that any further significant increases in hitting distances at the highest level were undesirable.

    Since that time, the USGA and The R&A have continued to monitor equipment technology’s effect on the game, and considered the effects of other factors, such as course setup, athleticism and coaching. When appropriate, new Rules have been introduced after discussions with equipment manufacturers and other stakeholders, in accordance with the Equipment Rulemaking Procedures produced in 2011.

    “Hitting distance is, and has long been, a constant subject of healthy and spirited debate in golf,” said Mike Davis, executive director/CEO of the USGA. “We want everyone in the game to have access to the facts, to better understand the decision-making process and the research we use to ensure that our game is both enjoyable and sustainable for future generations.”

    “I believe it is important in terms of good governance and healthy for the sport to achieve greater transparency on key issues such as driving distance,” said Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive of The R&A. “We have decided to publish this report on distance data and will do so each year in the future. This is clearly a frequently debated topic in golf which elicits strong views. By publishing the data we can help to inform the debate and ensure reliable information is available.”

    The report is available at www.usga.org
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    Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

    Always useless when they bring out these stats. Case in point, Jason Day, who is sitting in a disgusting 22nd place with an average of 300.8. Guy can pump it 380 if needed... But he isn't even in the top 10 to count as only being 7% longer then average

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      Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

      Originally posted by Gwelfgulfer View Post
      Always useless when they bring out these stats. Case in point, Jason Day, who is sitting in a disgusting 22nd place with an average of 300.8. Guy can pump it 380 if needed... But he isn't even in the top 10 to count as only being 7% longer then average
      There's just no pleasing some people.
      When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.

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        Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

        Originally posted by LobWedge View Post
        There's just no pleasing some people.
        Sure there is, don't make up articles like this about how people aren't getting any longer and then cry about how courses are becoming obsolete because people are hitting it further

        Shouldn't be hard.

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          Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

          Originally posted by Gwelfgulfer View Post
          Sure there is, don't make up articles like this about how people aren't getting any longer and then cry about how courses are becoming obsolete because people are hitting it further

          Shouldn't be hard.
          Right, they "make stuff up". Modern agronomy is more to "blame" than anything for increased length. The professional tours like their fairways fast, their rough short, and their greens receptive. Low scores sell tickets.

          And you can guarantee that Jason Day (or any other long hitter for that matter) doesn't crank one out 380 on a level hole.
          When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.

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            Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

            Originally posted by LobWedge View Post
            Right, they "make stuff up". Modern agronomy is more to "blame" than anything for increased length. The professional tours like their fairways fast, their rough short, and their greens receptive. Low scores sell tickets.

            And you can guarantee that Jason Day (or any other long hitter for that matter) doesn't crank one out 380 on a level hole.

            Sure he would. You give me his spin numbers and I would live in the 330-340ish range all day long with the odd ones going further. He's like 10 mph faster then me with sub 2k spin and yet I can still get 280+ carry and out to 330 roll with 118 and 3k spin. You don't need a ton of elevation to get it out there as depending on decent angle it can hinder as it would be all carry and minimal roll.

            Also, I didn't know that they took into account what the way the fairways are running at or 'modern agronomy' vs. just looking at the (lack of) data they have and try to present an argument.

            It's not my fault you don't see these numbers, but they are highly attainable. I had a 3wd last year on a level to slightly up hill hole get to 314, which was one of 4 3wd tee shots I had that round get over 300.

            If you were to take JD's 1996 number and put it in today, he would be 92nd on the list at 288.8. Now you have a 5'9" 150 lb soaking wet Fowler at 297.9.

            Believe what you want I guess, but remember all this from the people who said square grooves are the bane of the game as well as the long putter... They don't exactly use facts to make judgements that affect millions as a reason for doing things.
            Last edited by Gwelfgulfer; Jun 3, 2016, 06:17 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

              Originally posted by Gwelfgulfer View Post
              Always useless when they bring out these stats. Case in point, Jason Day, who is sitting in a disgusting 22nd place with an average of 300.8. Guy can pump it 380 if needed... But he isn't even in the top 10 to count as only being 7% longer then average
              I don't see anything useless with this. In 2003 woods was driving it average 299.5.

              Not sure where Day is hitting it 380 on the regular. Also there's only 10 yards between Days 22nd and Finaus 1st.

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                Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                Originally posted by TJames View Post
                I don't see anything useless with this. In 2003 woods was driving it average 299.5.

                Not sure where Day is hitting it 380 on the regular. Also there's only 10 yards between Days 22nd and Finaus 1st.

                When they stop using 3wd or hybrid or what ever clubs a guy hits on those particular holes and add more holes to measure a true average, then you can have some data to go on. The top guys are all north of 120 smooth, with their swings and numbers, that is 300+ sleeping. So to have them 'averaging' these numbers shows something. Even at ocean level they will be 290+.

                The big guys don't hit driver all the time (4 a round?). Hell Woodland a couple years ago was experimenting with an X100 tipped a couple inches in his XHP as he was flying it 297. Look at Stenson, same thing. Beats the piss out of a thriver and is 66th on the list and is as long as any one out there. Players are far more athletic and dialed in then previous generations. Couple that with solid swings and you have even tiny guys put up big numbers.
                Last edited by Gwelfgulfer; Jun 3, 2016, 07:42 PM.

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                  Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                  Originally posted by Gwelfgulfer View Post
                  When they stop using 3wd or hybrid or what ever clubs a guy hits on those particular holes and add more holes to measure a true average, then you can have some data to go on. The top guys are all north of 120 smooth, with their swings and numbers, that is 300+ sleeping. So to have them 'averaging' these numbers shows something. Even at ocean level they will be 290+.

                  The big guys don't hit driver all the time (4 a round?). Hell Woodland a couple years ago was experimenting with an X100 tipped a couple inches in his XHP as he was flying it 297. Look at Stenson, same thing. Beats the piss out of a thriver and is 66th on the list and is as long as any one out there. Players are far more athletic and dialed in then previous generations. Couple that with solid swings and you have even tiny guys put up big numbers.
                  The guidelines for the holes that they measure state that they try to select holes that the players are most likely to use a driver on. They also try to get two holes that are flat and run in opposite directions so the numbers are affected by outside influences as little as possible.

                  One interesting bit of info in the detailed report is that the percentage of shots at the lower end of the scale has decreased and the there has been an increase of 5% in the 280 to 300 yard range.
                  The report is intended to look at what the players are doing on a regular basis based not on what they are capable of when there is no consequence for a bad shot.
                  Last edited by Golftime; Jun 3, 2016, 08:11 PM. Reason: Additional detail
                  Aim at nothing and you will hit it every time.

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                    Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                    Originally posted by LobWedge View Post
                    Right, they "make stuff up". Modern agronomy is more to "blame" than anything for increased length. The professional tours like their fairways fast, their rough short, and their greens receptive. Low scores sell tickets.

                    And you can guarantee that Jason Day (or any other long hitter for that matter) doesn't crank one out 380 on a level hole.
                    How many times are the big hitters using 3Ws now, not drivers.
                    With clubs as they are, measuring tee shots is irrelevant. I hit my 21* Hybrid 260 yards this week.

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                      Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                      Originally posted by Golftime View Post
                      The report is intended to look at what the players are doing on a regular basis based not on what they are capable of when there is no consequence for a bad shot.
                      Understood, but you are seeing more position off the tee as they can get their 3wds and hybrids out there a good number. Just look at how many are now bagging driving irons.

                      What is happening is that the big guys pull driver likely 5ish times a round out of the 14ish times they can. With how many people involved, why can't they have stuff on every hole. The ability to track an ungodly amount of info is there, but they choose to still be in the dark ages.

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                      • #12
                        Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                        Originally posted by Gwelfgulfer View Post
                        Understood, but you are seeing more position off the tee as they can get their 3wds and hybrids out there a good number. Just look at how many are now bagging driving irons.

                        What is happening is that the big guys pull driver likely 5ish times a round out of the 14ish times they can. With how many people involved, why can't they have stuff on every hole. The ability to track an ungodly amount of info is there, but they choose to still be in the dark ages.
                        It would make sense that if they are capable of hitting it longer and the courses are not longer then they would play for position more often. The study also shows the percentage of holes where they use driver for the years 2012 to 2015. It is surprisingly high at 93.2 in 2012 and 94.2 % in 2015 on the measured holes. On the non measured holes it drops to 67.8. For all holes combined it is in the 71 to 72% range. That is 10 out of 14. The higher rate on the measured holes shows that they select them well.
                        Aim at nothing and you will hit it every time.

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                        • #13
                          Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                          Wow, another Gwelfgulfer vs. TGN thread
                          Every great idea starts out as a blasphemy

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                            Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                            Originally posted by Big Shooter View Post
                            Wow, another Gwelfgulfer vs. TGN thread
                            They are fun.

                            If the stats are showing that they are using driver on 93% or more of the time and the top guys are still only averaging 310ish then I believe it even less. The numbers they have is like insta 290+ carry. With fairways running at 10 I find it hard to believe they get on average less then 20 yards of roll out. I'm sure it happens when wet.

                            Sorry, but Mike Davis has lost his credibility over the groove ruling and long putter when those decisions were supposedly supported by fact. They make knee Jerk reactions, nothing more. But I'm usually wrong, so thank you for the rant time, carry on.
                            Last edited by Gwelfgulfer; Jun 4, 2016, 06:29 AM.

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                              Re: USGA RELEASES REPORT ON DRIVING DISTANCE

                              Originally posted by Big Shooter View Post
                              Wow, another Gwelfgulfer vs. TGN thread
                              However he is right; with selective statistics you can prove or disprove virtually anything you wish, just ask KW or JT, they do it all the time. (Though using the same theory you could prove I'm wrong).
                              Last edited by 4underthru9; Jun 4, 2016, 08:09 AM.
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