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Old Oct 6, 2016, 10:45 AM   #26
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Old Oct 7, 2016, 05:20 AM   #27
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Another TLT user! I got my clubs (712 AP2's and MD2 Wedges) retrofitted to TLT in August with Dan. I have to be honest I hated the clubs at first but I have grown to really really really like them and now I cannot go back to a regular set, I tried a regular set and it just felt "wrong"and I was back to my old miss with my short irons and wedges...pulling it left of target. I did not notice that big of a difference with long irons for me but everything below an 8 iron I saw a huge increase in accuracy and full shots with my 52 and 56 wedge are so confident that I know I can get them inside of 5 feet almost everytime and I can even hit a full 60 wedge now! The biggest adjustment for me was that my swingweights really went up, Dan said they are somewhere around a E1 now. Fatigue really played into effect when I first got the clubs but now 2 months later swinging them is effortless and buttery smooth. When I line my clubs up it seems that all my clubs from 60-8 iron are almost the same length so it really adds consistency inside of 150 yards. Ball striking has definitely improved and spin has also, I used to have trouble getting ball stopping spin but since going to dan I hold greens and even spin back, I often spin wedges back a couple feet now!

My tip would be that if you do decide to go with Dan's TLT system, stick with it. It is not an immediate bandage to your golf game, it will take time and work to get the clubs working for you but man...once they do you cannot go back. Looking forward to contacting Dan to build some wedges probably next year because I feel my MD2 wedges are getting pretty worn. For reference, currently a 8.0 handicap, when I when to Dan I was a 9.0, the weeks following the retrofitted clubs I went up to a 9.5, then things started to drop when I got used to them, shooting my best round ever. Now sitting at my best ever, 8.0, and should be dropping lower now too with the next score I enter and a large part of that can be attributed to my new found confidence inside of 150 yards using Dan's TLT clubs, give me a 100 yard shot and a birdie is now a very very realistic outcome.

TL;DR Dan is a genius.
Your long irons had very little change done to them other than a small lie adjustment. Your short irons however were extremely short , especially your Mack daddy wedges. Every one of these that I have worked on are quite head heavy and very short. So by just doing an extension they did become swing weight heavy. It's not that they became unbearably heavy but compared to where they were there would be a noticeable difference.

So glad to hear that your adaption period is over an the handicap is dropping. The fitting did what it was suppose to do - get you athletic and promote a singular athletic address position - resulting in a very repeatable flight.
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Old Oct 8, 2016, 10:15 AM   #28
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Old Oct 8, 2016, 03:37 PM   #29
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Only if clubs are forged will there be a concern for re-adjustment. Cast typically will not move.

Of all the sets I have built to TLT only a few have had to have a re-adjustment after playing for a while. My goal is to get you athletic and have the lie and length co-ordinated to this. Once this is set there should never be a 'fit' reason to make any change.
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Old Oct 9, 2016, 05:27 AM   #30
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Only if clubs are forged will there be a concern for re-adjustment. Cast typically will not move.

Of all the sets I have built to TLT only a few have had to have a re-adjustment after playing for a while. My goal is to get you athletic and have the lie and length co-ordinated to this. Once this is set there should never be a 'fit' reason to make any change.
Dan, I would add soft stainless heads to those that should be be checked every 50 rounds or so .

The SMT cast iron heads were soooo soft , I recall Ben saying he bent one 9*
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Old Oct 10, 2016, 02:04 PM   #31
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Dan, I would add soft stainless heads to those that should be be checked every 50 rounds or so .

The SMT cast iron heads were soooo soft , I recall Ben saying he bent one 9*
Good point, some of the Wishon micro wedges also seemed very soft for a cast head and did bend quite easily. I guess part of the equation is how often you hit off of driving range mats.
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Just booked an appointment with Dan for Thursday. Looking forward to it!
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Just booked an appointment with Dan for Thursday. Looking forward to it!
Looking forward to meeting with you and I assure you that a TLT fitting and retrofit will do wonders for your game.
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Old Oct 12, 2016, 03:29 AM   #34
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Dan, do you retrofit drivers, fairway woods and hybrids as well? Curious because these clubs don't really lend themselves to bending/lie adjustment.

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Yes, drivers, fairways and hybrids do get set-up to the math model. But you are right that not all these can be bent without structural failure.

My approach is to first measure the actual lie angle of these clubs and then apply these values to the math model so a corrected length can be discovered. At this point either shortening or lengthening (almost never lengthened) the shaft - is the reverse engineering approach I take. Sometimes a swingweight adjustment is required.

The math model applies differently to these 3 sets of club heads as the amount of downforce applied through the center of gravity (dynamic toe droop) is different than that of irons, so the formula is slightly different in each case.

Long story short, yes corrections are done and great improvement with center of face contact will happen. This - like the irons - will result in a more consistent ball flight as well as promoting a much more consistent setup and swing.
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Old Oct 12, 2016, 05:28 AM   #36
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Once again Dan, thanks for your response.
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Old Oct 17, 2016, 05:46 AM   #37
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Has anyone gotten a driver FW or hybrid TLT?

I understand what dans saying in that he can reverse engineer the formula to make it work without bending them (as most aren't bendable)

If that's the case could I not almost fit myself for length based on Howard Jones method from WRX

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/...r%20%20fitting

I will be booking a TLT fitting and retro for my irons and wedges soon. Just debating if I should bother with woods/hybrid?
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You need to understand that what Howard uses as a fitting methodology and formula's to get to final lengths are not what I use. Howard is a very competent builder and fitter. but has not came up with the same procedure. The TLT methodology took years of trial and error before locking in the procedure that I promote.

I have done lot's of the reverse engineering approach and have nothing but positives in the feedback. Pretty much every hybrid I see is too long, some fairways and most drivers - also too long. Drivers can have over 6 degree of lie difference - company to company - and an upright driver will suit a tall player , and I look for flatter lies for shorter.

Hopefully some of the guys that have had hybrids, fairways and drivers TLT'd will comment.

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Has anyone gotten a driver FW or hybrid TLT?

I understand what dans saying in that he can reverse engineer the formula to make it work without bending them (as most aren't bendable)

If that's the case could I not almost fit myself for length based on Howard Jones method from WRX

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/...r%20%20fitting

I will be booking a TLT fitting and retro for my irons and wedges soon. Just debating if I should bother with woods/hybrid?
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Old Oct 17, 2016, 09:10 AM   #39
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Yes I agree 100% Dan. So if you were fitting from scratch I understand. If I was coming for new clubs I'd be 100% confidant that you can find me a perfect fitting driver. However with retrofitting you can't do much about my lie in truth so that said... would I not be able to figure out optimal length via Howard's method in that post (for a driver that I already have). Obviously if it was a new build I understand what you're saying.
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I am sure Howards method has merit and I expect it will generate more on center hits. If this is the approach you choose I am fine with it. I have not finished reading his post to the n'th degree but I do know Howard is a successful fitter - we just don't necessarily agree 100% on how to get there.

Testing and experimenting is something every player seems to go through, and the ultimate goal is to bring down our HC, and there are many ways of getting there.

Your optimum driver may not be the one you own, as not only loft, but flex will paly major parts of the equation. If these are wrong, then dialing them in to perform as well as that combination can - then it will help for sure.

If it doesn't work we can certainly meet and see if we can find a better solution. Budgets sometimes have to overrule wants.

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Yes I agree 100% Dan. So if you were fitting from scratch I understand. If I was coming for new clubs I'd be 100% confidant that you can find me a perfect fitting driver. However with retrofitting you can't do much about my lie in truth so that said... would I not be able to figure out optimal length via Howard's method in that post (for a driver that I already have). Obviously if it was a new build I understand what you're saying.
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Yes I agree 100% Dan. So if you were fitting from scratch I understand. If I was coming for new clubs I'd be 100% confidant that you can find me a perfect fitting driver. However with retrofitting you can't do much about my lie in truth so that said... would I not be able to figure out optimal length via Howard's method in that post (for a driver that I already have). Obviously if it was a new build I understand what you're saying.
I am of the same oponion, I hit my current driver better gripping down 1 inch,would I cut it for that little bit ,not likely.
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I am of the same oponion, I hit my current driver better gripping down 1 inch,would I cut it for that little bit ,not likely.
As the club gets longer and lower in loft the harder it is to hit

1 inch is a significant difference IMO.

I've always maintained most golfers would be benefit from using a 43.5 -44 inch driver
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Off to see dan tomorrow. Very excited.
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Just got my retrofit irons back today. There is only a 1.5" length difference between my 4i and 58į.

Dan quickly identified major issues with my original set. I now have basically one posture for my irons. Thought this might be really strange and challenging going from a traditional set-up. Easily hit every iron in the bag at the range today. Love standing taller for all my shots. More arm freedom. Better also for my wonky back.

Earlier in the year I had taken the 4i out of my bag, after todayís range session it is now my favourite club. Hoping to give the irons a go this weekend. Great work Dan.
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Just got my retrofit irons back today. There is only a 1.5" length difference between my 4i and 58į.

Dan quickly identified major issues with my original set. I now have basically one posture for my irons. Thought this might be really strange and challenging going from a traditional set-up. Easily hit every iron in the bag at the range today. Love standing taller for all my shots. More arm freedom. Better also for my wonky back.

Earlier in the year I had taken the 4i out of my bag, after todayís range session it is now my favourite club. Hoping to give the irons a go this weekend. Great work Dan.
God you have me excited!

Did you do woods too? And or hybrid or driver?
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Did you do woods too? And or hybrid or driver?
Did not do the woods. Maybe next year. Wife not thrilled Iím still spending money on golf in October.

There is more of a heft feeling but that is partly due to the new shafts he put in. I like having the same posture at set-up. And pleasantly surprised how well I hit the 4i. What he might do for you could be very different than me. Iím 6ft, which I think it more or less average, but he said my wrist to floor is long for my height (short arms, who knew?). Wedge feels heavy right now but tried a few chips and you just let the weight do the work, so not so bad. I had 40yrs of standard club size and weight to wipe clean.

My next round if I shoot 20 shots above my norm Iím going to *****, just kidding.
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So how much shorter is your 4i now and how much longer are your wedges?
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So how much shorter is your 4i now and how much longer are your wedges?
4i 1.5" shorter
wedges 1.5" longer
Dan adds some extra weight if need be to get the numbers just right

I think itís worth the drive out or just call him and have a chat. Iíve only test the clubs on a bucket of balls but it went pretty well. It was windy at range so I donít know how my normal distances have been affected. With my previous set-up my 5i was going as far as a well struck 7i so something had to be done.
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Dang 36.5" wedges would take getting used too. I'm excited for tomorrow
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I was initially bothered by the short wedges, only because I had made my previous LW extra short.

After a couple rounds with my TLT, I was adjusted to the longer and uniform length of my LW, SW, GW, PW. ..... wouldnt have it any other way now.
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