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Old Oct 18, 2016, 02:18 PM   #51
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I was initially bothered by the short wedges, only because I had made my previous LW extra short.

After a couple rounds with my TLT, I was adjusted to the longer and uniform length of my LW, SW, GW, PW. ..... wouldnt have it any other way now.
I got use to my 54 quickly and now I want to do the 58. I'm happy with the stock length on the hybrid and the wood.. driver was always shorter anyway.
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Old Oct 18, 2016, 02:47 PM   #52
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My next round if I shoot 20 shots above my norm I’m going to *****, just kidding.
Just a warning, don't be surprised if this actually happens though. The first two rounds I had with my TLT retrofits I loved them and then out of nowhere I went out and shot a 104, it was like I had forgotten how to play, I mean I followed it up with a 75 the next round out but it was just bizarre.

To comment on the long wedges, once you get used to the added length full shots are just bread and butter with them, your accuracy and distance control will improve like crazy. The only wedge that I have pondered about going back to a shorter length is the 60 degree because I really never used it for full shots and the added length gets a bit annoying around the green, especially since I rely on flop shots and some real "Phil'esqe" shot making around the greens, arguably the strongest part of my game getting it to 2 feet with my 60 and I'm not sure choking up is consistent enough for me on the 60, ordered some new wedges (MD2's really worn out from lots of practice already) from golfworks custom built to Dan's TLT specs for me and maybe the 60 will be better with that set as they are lighter than the MD2's. Too bad we only have a short time left outdoors!
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I was initially bothered by the short wedges, only because I had made my previous LW extra short.

After a couple rounds with my TLT, I was adjusted to the longer and uniform length of my LW, SW, GW, PW. ..... wouldnt have it any other way now.
Yah my PW and 52 I'm not worried about. My 58 I'm unsure. The added weight won't bother me. But unsure how it will effect my short game touch shots (flops short side chips pitches etc)
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Just a warning, don't be surprised if this actually happens though. The first two rounds I had with my TLT retrofits I loved them and then out of nowhere I went out and shot a 104, it was like I had forgotten how to play, I mean I followed it up with a 75 the next round out but it was just bizarre.

The only wedge that I have pondered about going back to a shorter length is the 60 degree because I really never used it for full shots and the added length gets a bit annoying around the green
29 shots, oh my.

Ya, was thinking about the 58. I will give the longer length a go before I make any snap decisions.

Practice swings will be imperative.
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Spent an hour chipping, pitching and bunker shots with the 54 and 58. No issues. Actually prefer standing taller.
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Old Oct 19, 2016, 10:17 AM   #56
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Just met with dan very informative and honest. Am very excited to get my set. Learned that most of my clubs are too upright and my wedges are almost too flat.

Was very honest also. Told me my driver pretty much perfect maybe a smudge shorter would work but that just choking down a smudge would be best.

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Can the weighting be done without this stuff on the clubhead?
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Can the weighting be done without this stuff on the clubhead?
It depends on the amount of weight needed.

Hosel weights can be used , but most top out at 10grams . It also requires the head to be pulled, cleaned, reshafted so adds cost of 20-30 a club if this is not already being done.
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Can the weighting be done without this stuff on the clubhead?

If the shafts are steel, then lead powder and a cork can be used - down the shaft and stays hidden. Jeff's set were graphite so there are less options.

You may need to replace the grips if they cannot be pulled / saved. This is at least cheaper than pulling the shaft and adding tip weights.
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If the shafts are steel, then lead powder and a cork can be used - down the shaft and stays hidden. Jeff's set were graphite so there are less options.

You may need to replace the grips if they cannot be pulled / saved. This is at least cheaper than pulling the shaft and adding tip weights.
This is what I use rather Than pulling or replacing the grips Dan

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Yes I do have one of those Jim . Thanks for the reminder.

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Just got my clubs back. So excited look and feel great! Stupid crappy weather stopping me from testing them.

A synopsis of what was done:
Driver untouched
3w cut down almost an inch (SW brought up)
5w untouched
3h cut down to 39.4" (was over 40.25 iirc)
4i-58* redone.

4i went from 38.5" to 38.1"
58* went from 35.2" to 36.35"

All wedges ( PW 52 and 58) all same length at 36.35" 9i is at 36.5"

SW progress from basically D2 (4i) upto a D4.5 at PW then D7 52 and E0 at 58.

Dans attention to detail is impeccable. Can't wait to try these out. Unfortunately all I could do was chip in the backyard and let me tell you the heavier and longer wedges are gonna be great (my back no longer kills from bending over so much to pitch it) chipping is the same except it feels heavier and promotes a smoother stroke!
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...chipping is the same except it feels heavier and promotes a smoother stroke!
Would be curious to learn your feedback when you attempt a full swing with your "heavy" wedges, especially if it comes after hitting one of your lighter irons ?
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Would be curious to learn your feedback when you attempt a full swing with your "heavy" wedges, especially if it comes after hitting one of your lighter irons ?
Thanks and cheers !
Lighter irons wil increase speed, heavy,should slow you down. The heavy putter comes to mind some how.
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I never did take full swings with my 58 before (would be just high 50y shots that sometimes i skull or hit fat) so I'll try now and advise how it is

My 52 I used to take full swings all the time was my 105y club. At D7 it's heavier but feels great taking swings in backyard. Very smooth. Haven't hit a ball yet.

Hopefully weather holds up and I can play next week thurs or Fridays
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I never did take full swings with my 58 before (would be just high 50y shots that sometimes i skull or hit fat) so I'll try now and advise how it is
My 52 I used to take full swings all the time was my 105y club. At D7 it's heavier but feels great taking swings in backyard. Very smooth. Haven't hit a ball yet.
Hopefully weather holds up and I can play next week thurs or Fridays
Thanks so much for all your feedback on your new clubs - very much appreciated. And yes, pls. report how did your full swing go.
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Old Oct 22, 2016, 12:41 PM   #68
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I just got to the range and i must say Dans a genious.

I was much more comfortable over the ball with all clubs. As for the heavy wedges. I liked them. Made me have a nice smooth swing and longer was great. My chipping and pitching was the best it's ever been.

As for the clubs 3w-PW. TLT is no magic cure. You still need to put on a good swing. However it is definetly easier. I felt like I had maybe 3 swings instead of 10...

My 3w was much better shortened off the deck (much easier to get flush contact)
My 3h also got easier to flush. Less hooks too

The 4i and 5i felt much more comfortable over the ball and great to swing again needs a flush shot to go. Was flushing them more often.

6I to my PW was great. Literally felt like 1 swing only. Seeing as my 6i is 37.35 and my wedges are 36.35" so 1" only.

So essentially I felt like I had:
Driver swing
Wood/hybrid swing
Long iron (4/5i)
6i-58*

The amazing part was when I had a club in my hand I couldn't tell what it was (everything looked and felt the same. Even the 4i I felt like I had only 1 setup position for all irons)

My misses were much less severe (nothing super chunky or super thin unless a terrible swing)

My distances and dispersion I couldn't tell as it was 6* with a 45kph wind lol. Felt like I was hitting rocks while pissing into the wind.

TLT definetly does what it intends. Simplifies the swing (essentially similar to single length but not quite the same) me personally I Duno if I could do single length irons. Maybe 4i-PW only but even then I'd want wedges at 36.35 max.
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There are a few who are talking about 'heavy wedges' when in fact - yes they are swing weight heavier than they were when they came to me, but the reality is - they were too light originally.

The last couple of sets I worked on had gap wedges at C9 - D1 or 2, which I consider to be extremely light. I personally could never play wedges at these specifications. After the retrofits they are up towards a D7 - which is where most people will find has a very good 'head' feel. Too light and you cannot sense where the head is during your backswing.

There are certainly times where I will have a sand wedge jump up into a low E swingweight, and this is often due to the combination of a heavy shaft and a heavy head - designed to be a 35 to 35 1/2 inch wedge -- which is simply too short for most players. But the reports back to me are 'no problem - I like the heavier head for a sand wedge and the club performs wonderfully'. Most of the guys who end up with longer sand wedges are big men - who express that the few grams (and that is all we are talking about) is absolutely no problem.

Not every TLT set will end up with 'long and heavier wedges'. This only happens when the players height is up near 6 feet or more. If you are less than 6 feet then chances are the fit will reveal that excessive length short clubs are not required. Remember that there are 16 adult fitting charts that fit the petite to the giant. Petite players will often end up with shorter than OEM standard wedges - but the trick here is to keep the lie flat - enabling the length to stay reasonable.

Jason, glad to hear things have the initial feel good - feel to them, but like I tell all my players - it will probably take 5 rounds to make everything feel natural - and consistent. As old habits and out of spec clubs are hard to break free from.
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Yah by no stretch do I find any of my clubs heavy. My 52*@ D7 feels amazing as does my 58@ E0

They are "heavy" compared to Some OEM specs but realistically they aren't heavy at all.

And yes I can see it's gonna take some time to break free of habits. I never had a consistant swing to begin with however I can see how TLT will get me there easily.
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Yah by no stretch do I find any of my clubs heavy. My 52*@ D7 feels amazing as does my 58@ E0

They are "heavy" compared to Some OEM specs but realistically they aren't heavy at all.

And yes I can see it's gonna take some time to break free of habits. I never had a consistant swing to begin with however I can see how TLT will get me there easily.
Remember that it's SWingweight, which is not a unit of weight or anything to do with actual club heaviness at all. It's only an alphanumeric code /indication of the distribution of weight in a club. Higher swingweight , more of the clubs weight distributed towards the head, low swingweight more towards the grip end.

A club with a swing weight of C2 can easily be a heavier club in actual total weight than one with a swingweight of E2. I can build a sledgehammer with a swingweight of C2 and an ultralight driver with one that is E5

That said, extending your wedges from 35.75 /36 to 36.5 can add a few grams to total weight as well but as a percentage of total weight it's insignificant IMO.

I agree with Dan, wedges with low head feel ( sw) D2 or less just downt play as well as heavier and heavier head feel wedges.
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Old Oct 23, 2016, 04:24 AM   #72
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I just think dan is a genious when it comes to The concept of TLT.

The only thing I could see being better would be single length irons. However I'm not sure I could tolerate a 37" wedge. But having just 1 iron swing is huge.

However I feel that TLT still gives you that single iron swing or close to it.

I'm suprised more fitters don't use The TLT model.

I remember having a conversation with dan while I was there about other fitters and launch monitors. I agree that LM data can be pretty useless if you don't have a consistant swing. Sure the right head shaft and flex can help. However you still have almost 12 different swings. I could only imagine how amazing some ppl could get clubs Dialed in with a TLT fitting and then developing a consistant swing. Then getting on a LM
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So, am i totally of base here in concluding:
Conventional: similar swing weights, varied lengths
TLT: similar lengths, varied swing weights
SL: same lengths, same swing weights.

Choices, choices
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Old Oct 23, 2016, 07:07 AM   #74
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Honestly TLT is much more then just similar length and progressive SW.

My TLT set has just under 1.75" discrepancy. However his traditional model is closer to 3" most traditional sets are over 3.5"+ (38.5"+ long iron and a 35" wedge) I opted for the shorter long irons as they are not my strong suit.

TLT is Moreso about optimizing your lie angle in correspondence with a proper length progression.

As for progressive SW you have essentially an MOI matched set (although dan doesn't actually MOI match but the feel is very similar)

In my opinion traditional sets with SW matching is junk. 1) conventional length progression and lie angle progression don't match up. 2) SW is an arbitrary scale based on a 14" fulcrum point. D2 on a 46" driver feels very different then D2 on a 35" wedge.

So even though my SW vary from D1-D7 (I won't count my outlier 58*) my clubs all feel the same when swing.

All future clubs for me will be TLT or SL
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Putter-----Ping Cadence TR Sheah H w/ Flatso 1.0
TLT'D @ Dans Custom Golf
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Old Oct 23, 2016, 04:01 PM   #75
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Default Re: What my TLT set looks like...

Played my first TLT round today at Lowville, blue tees. I managed an 87. About 7 more than I should normally shoot there. I was a little concerned about hearing some of the first few inflated rounds with the new set-up. My swing was a bit off today. Too much technical crap bouncing around between the ears. I was too controlling with the swing.

Afterwards, I played another 7 on the front nine all by my lonesome before nightfall. Swing was back by just letting it go and trusting the longer irons. Kept dropping extra balls in the fairway to get an honest feel and was really grooving it.

The biggest challenge today was getting my 54/58° distances dialled in. I think another couple of rounds will do me well. So overall I’m pleased with my first TLT round. I will be using my 4i much more in the future. Thanks again Dan for your expertise. Will try and get out again this week.
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