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Old Dec 27, 2016, 05:46 AM   #1
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Default Do Any TGNers play SL Irons ???

Any time a subject of SL and/or TLT comes up on these forums, it's mostly my stupid questions, and just a handful of other TGNers that share their thoughts on this subject. I've seen just few people using TLT, but never seen SL used in actual play on our forum.

So my simple question is: Anyone here using as their regular set SL Ions ?
and if yes, What are your results/impressions/suggestions ...?

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Soon.... waiting for the sterling to come out in left handed. Building a 1/2 set to test out.
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Soon.... waiting for the sterling to come out in left handed. Building a 1/2 set to test out.
Hey, that's great, THANKS
Have you decided on which #s in the half set you'll get ? And i'm really interested to get your comments once you try them.
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Going with the 5 hybrid and 7-9-G irons. Adding in a Ping Glide wedge as well.

Picked up a Wishon 919 driver head that I'm hoping to build up short and heavy and perhaps a Wishon 7 wood. The reason with almost all wishon is the bendable hosel design and weight ports in the heads so Dan and I can really dial these in.

Should be a fun experiment... if I don't like it enough over my TLT build I'll hand these off to my son as his next set... he's growing like a weed and is going to start stealing my stuff soon anyway.
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Any time a subject of SL and/or TLT comes up on these forums, it's mostly my stupid questions, and just a handful of other TGNers that share their thoughts on this subject. I've seen just few people using TLT, but never seen SL used in actual play on our forum.

So my simple question is: Anyone here using as their regular set SL Ions ?

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Not gaming them,they are getting old in the garage.
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I think its a great idea in theory. Bryson Dechambeau is a smart individual who figured out what can work for him. He literally spent days on each club finding the perfect combination that works for him.
Sure someone might be able to buy the off the rack set of SL and make them work but in no way is it going to be truly beneficial unless you get fitted for each club.
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Not gaming them,they are getting old in the garage.
What are you gaming? I'd be curious to find out the results if you only gamed the 5-6-7 for a while.
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Old Dec 28, 2016, 07:25 AM   #9
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Tried it. Did not like it. Too one dimensional i feel.

My basic feel was the same as Crossfields and Shiels.

Long irons went shorter with worse dispersion.

Short irons distance was ok however spin and trajectory too low. I had too much roll. Dispersion was terrible.
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What are you gaming? I'd be curious to find out the results if you only gamed the 5-6-7 for a while.
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Not gaming them,they are getting old in the garage.
i know. i tried to lowball you for them quite some time ago, and still feel bad about doing it But, if you.... ,lol
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Tried it. Did not like it. Too one dimensional i feel.
My basic feel was the same as Crossfields and Shiels.
Long irons went shorter with worse dispersion.
Short irons distance was ok however spin and trajectory too low. I had too much roll. Dispersion was terrible.
Now this is so interesting but so discouraging at the same time.
The SLs, or any other "non-conventional" technology/design are, and at least as i am concerned, definitely "try before buy" type of decision and on a real golf course for at least a round or two, me thinks, no ?
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i know. i tried to lowball you for them quite some time ago, and still feel bad about doing it But, if you.... ,lol
ATB and cheers !



Now this is so interesting but so discouraging at the same time.
The SLs are definitely "try before buy" and on a real golf course for at least a round or two, no ?
Thanks and cheers !
lol,maybe a trade is in the works,you still have those adams
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In truth I never got to hit them outdoors only on a Sim against my current TLT build.

If you want a more in depth comparison or review I posted on in the MOI discussion.
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You may find this story interesting from the creators of Adams golf:
http://www.golfwrx.com/369650/barney...ns-experiment/

Given some of the discussions going on around the board, I thought these were two interesting paragraphs:

One of the keys in our club-fitting system was establishing a comfortable position at address. We measured knuckles to the ground standing erect (more consistent than fingertips because of hand size). We combined this with what we called maximum drop — how much the hands lowered gripping the club — the idea being a solid address position before we got into flex, lie, etc.

One thing I learned is all of us are not ideally suited to a proper address position in conjunction with clubs we could play. For example, I am long from the waist up, which means to get a comfortable address position I needed clubs 3 inches over standard length, and they were simply too long. For a guy 6 foot 8 inches to 6 foot 10 inches, no problem, but for me, problem. I used to tell people that not everyone has a body that can handle the required length, so in some cases you have to bend over at address a little extra.
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I think its a great idea in theory. Bryson Dechambeau is a smart individual who figured out what can work for him. He literally spent days on each club finding the perfect combination that works for him.
Sure someone might be able to buy the off the rack set of SL and make them work but in no way is it going to be truly beneficial unless you get fitted for each club.
+1

Everything I've read about SL suggests that fitting is critical. I think the Cobra SL's will fail and the fact that they are using the 'off the rack' model will be one of the reasons.
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I think the Cobra SL's will fail and the fact that they are using the 'off the rack' model will be one of the reasons.
I have nothing to do with Cobra Company, so this is not a promotion, or anything, but in the MOI thread, it was mentioned that Cobra offers a pretty wide range of options to customize their irons, IIANM which usually i am, lol
BUT, the question on SL adoption, or failure is still a wide open question, and the up-to-date results and reviews are very "mixed", to say the least.
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I can see SL catching on with the following demographics:

1) Beginners - learning SL as a beginner likely would make the game much easier. However how many new players are willing to drop that much coin on a new set of irons. The F6 One Length needs to be a touch cheaper IMO

2) Elderly and or those with health problems - I've played with some phenomenal elderly golfers however they all hated using their wedges and short irons because they could barely get into the address position. But they sure were wizards with the long sticks. Not having to bend over as much could be a huge selling point for some elderly golfers.

I personally am only 30yrs old but have not the best back due to previous sports and work injuries. However I for one would never came SL given the sheer fact I tried TLT
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...elderly golfers however they all hated using their wedges and short irons because they could barely get into the address position...
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EXACTLY and another great post, Jasonp !
But, and IMHO, if any extension to lengthen the shafts also results in heavier clubs to swing, it's a no-go for old people.
So it looks like a "mission impossible" type of thing, no ?
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U takin to me
EXACTLY and another great post, Jasonp !
But, and IMHO, if any extension to lengthen the shafts also results in heavier clubs to swing, it's a no-go for old people.
So it looks like a "mission impossible" type of thing, no ?
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The Malby KE4 fit the bill. They come standard with 2 x4 grams weight that can be removed. Top that with a lighter graphite shaft and you have a winner. Or you could just buy a SL component wedge head(they are lighter than your standard heads( 274g vs 289g)


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U takin to me
EXACTLY and another great post, Jasonp !
But, and IMHO, if any extension to lengthen the shafts also results in heavier clubs to swing, it's a no-go for old people.
So it looks like a "mission impossible" type of thing, no ?
Cheers !
Yah but SL head designs are created to account for this. So all clubs in a real SL set like the Cobras or Wishon Pinhawk etc will be the exact same SW and feel.

In traditional irons the iron heads get heavier as you progress to shorter clubs.

In SL all iron heads are the same weight

If you just extended a regular wedge it would "feel" heavier but there are ways to adjust for that. This is a drawback persay to a TLT retro build but easily fixable. (Go lighter shafts)
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I posted over in the MOI thread I think but James Pickard (Youtube PGA instructor) and Peter Finch (Youtube PGA instructor) have both made the move to single length for 2017. Neither are elderly or beginners... just people looking for the most consistent ball striking they can find.
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I posted over in the MOI thread I think but James Pickard (Youtube PGA instructor) and Peter Finch (Youtube PGA instructor) have both made the move to single length for 2017. Neither are elderly or beginners... just people looking for the most consistent ball striking they can find.
Peter has an hour long recent vid on his practice session, and yes, he's using Cobra SL irons (for now, as he put it), but his wedges are Callaway, but don't know what length ?
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The Malby KE4 fit the bill.
Hey Tintin Thanks so much for this bit, appreciated !
But, based on my own experimentation with a light driver head, while it's easy to swing, MOI of the head is lower, and of-center hits, even by a tiny bit are really punished. So changing the club head weight can be a tricky business, no ?



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Yah but SL head designs are created to account for this. So all clubs in a real SL set like the Cobras or Wishon Pinhawk etc will be the exact same SW and feel.
Hey Jasonp thanks for this clarification. But just to clarify my post also, i was really referring (heavier wedges when extended) to non-SL technologies.
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But, based on my own experimentation with a light driver head, while it's easy to swing, MOI of the head is lower, and of-center hits, even by a tiny bit are really punished. So changing the club head weight can be a tricky business, no ?
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Light driver head maybe. In your experiment it could have also been the total MOI of the club that was the problem. However in most standard iron heads the swingweight of the wedges is usually higher than the rest of the set. You hardly ever hear people complain about their 8 or 9 iron.

Take a look at the weight of the 8 and 9 iron. I don't think it'd be tricky business in all honesty.

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Ya I have built many sets with the KE4 - some sets with less than 1" total range of length (so close to SL) and other sets to my traditional TLT (near 3" total range of length). It's biggest advantage is you can simply build with no screw weights in the short irons - keeping the heads light - allowing added length, and you can keep the long irons from getting too long by using the 14g weights, bringing the head weight up - allowing shorter long irons to be built.

All KE4's have high playability so can work well for the less skilled as well as seasoned players. This design makes it very easy to control 'off standard lengths' as you also have the ability to add more weight in the form of tip weights if required.
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