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Old Jan 3, 2017, 01:42 PM   #1
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Default Ping G LS Tec Shaft Options

Hi TGNers,

Last season i bought the Ping G LS Tec 9* Driver with a Tour 80 X shaft from Ping. After playing throughout the year and being in the simulator so far this winter, I have noticed my spin rates getting a little out of control and losing a lot of distance. My recent numbers are as follows:

Club Head Speed: 115 mph
Ball Speed: 160 mph
Carry Distance: 265 - 275 yds
Total Distance: 285 - 290 yds
Back Spin: 3000 - 3800 rpm
Smash Factor: 1.45

I know setting up a proper fitting is the best option to solve the issue but some insight as to what i may be able to do to make an adjustment without a fitting is greatly appreciated. Tipping the shaft? Changing the weight? Anything.

Thanks in advance.
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 02:52 PM   #2
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First things first. Goto Walmart and buy yourself powdered foot spray. Spray face and find impact location.

This will tell anlot
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 03:11 PM   #3
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Impact is just below center.
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 03:19 PM   #4
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The lower on the face you hit it the higher the spin.

The higher on the face you hit it the lower the spin.

That shaft is a relatively low launch low spin shaft. (so changing the shaft won't do all that much)

The simple fix would be to simply tee the ball up higher.

And if you can, tee the ball more forward in your stance.
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 03:27 PM   #5
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I will try those options next time I get to swing.

Will doing that bring the spin rate down 1800rpm though?
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 04:57 PM   #6
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It might. But who said 2000 RPMs spin was ideal for you? What's your launch angle?
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 06:17 PM   #7
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What is your angle of attack?

Swing speed is high enough to compromise hitting down 1 or 1.5* but if your hitting down on it more than that you will see you spin rates go up.
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 06:37 PM   #8
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Will doing that bring the spin rate down 1800rpm though?

yes strike location on the clubface can have a very large impact on spin
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Old Jan 4, 2017, 12:56 AM   #9
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Also is it dead centre? Toe side? Heel side?

But below centre will be high spin. Below centre and heel will be even kore
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Old Jan 4, 2017, 03:59 AM   #10
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I will try those options next time I get to swing.

Will doing that bring the spin rate down 1800rpm though?
Nothing. Shafts will at most influence about 500 RPMs. Heads and loft are the only things that can have a drastic reduction in spin characteristics. I mean you already have a reasonably low spin head, coupled with a low spin, very heavy shaft. My thinking is that you are hitting down to much on the driver, which is causing too much spin.

Have you thought about getting a quick look over from a teacher before you jump in with both feet about a new shaft/head that might not change anything?
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Old Jan 4, 2017, 05:07 AM   #11
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Hi TGNers,

Last season i bought the Ping G LS Tec 9* Driver with a Tour 80 X shaft from Ping. After playing throughout the year and being in the simulator so far this winter, I have noticed my spin rates getting a little out of control and losing a lot of distance. My recent numbers are as follows:

Club Head Speed: 115 mph
Ball Speed: 160 mph
Carry Distance: 265 - 275 yds
Total Distance: 285 - 290 yds
Back Spin: 3000 - 3800 rpm
Smash Factor: 1.45

I know setting up a proper fitting is the best option to solve the issue but some insight as to what i may be able to do to make an adjustment without a fitting is greatly appreciated. Tipping the shaft? Changing the weight? Anything.

Thanks in advance.
Simulator? That might be your first problem as these things tend to be WAY off when spitting out numbers.

Plenty of information missing in this post to begin with, would be nice to see your numbers on Trackman or Foresight to get a real understanding of what's causing your sudden loss in distance.
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Old Jan 6, 2017, 10:41 AM   #12
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Hi TGNers,

Last season i bought the Ping G LS Tec 9* Driver with a Tour 80 X shaft from Ping. After playing throughout the year and being in the simulator so far this winter, I have noticed my spin rates getting a little out of control and losing a lot of distance. My recent numbers are as follows:

Club Head Speed: 115 mph
Ball Speed: 160 mph
Carry Distance: 265 - 275 yds
Total Distance: 285 - 290 yds
Back Spin: 3000 - 3800 rpm
Smash Factor: 1.45

I know setting up a proper fitting is the best option to solve the issue but some insight as to what i may be able to do to make an adjustment without a fitting is greatly appreciated. Tipping the shaft? Changing the weight? Anything.

Thanks in advance.
Shafts have the least amount of affect on spin rate compared to head design, loft, and your swing. Look to technique first, i.e. a excessively negative angle of attack, then to loft. the G LS TEC is a fine low spin design.
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Old Jan 8, 2017, 07:05 AM   #13
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Simulator? That might be your first problem as these things tend to be WAY off when spitting out numbers.

Plenty of information missing in this post to begin with, would be nice to see your numbers on Trackman or Foresight to get a real understanding of what's causing your sudden loss in distance.
This. The accuracy is only so good on camera based simulators. And sometimes they can display some ridiculous results.
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This. The accuracy is only so good on camera based simulators. And sometimes they can display some ridiculous results.
Not sure where you are getting your data.....We have a Trackman and HD Sim that run simultaneously.....Numbers are basically identical. I would argue that indoors, a camera based system has more measurements and less calculations than a radar based system.
Let's qualify this by....there are many levels of simulators and many suck!!
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Not sure where you are getting your data.....We have a Trackman and HD Sim that run simultaneously.....Numbers are basically identical. I would argue that indoors, a camera based system has more measurements and less calculations than a radar based system.
Let's qualify this by....there are many levels of simulators and many suck!!
I get my data from the simulators (High Definition Golf) I play on every week. I also hit balls on Flightscope indoors every week. I know my ball striking capability and Flightscope accurately reflects it, High Definition Golf does not. Last week High Definition Golf reported I flew a 5 iron 261 yards. I know my yardages well, it was actually about 210. I've played over 100 rounds on a simulator and there has yet to be a single round where I would say the distances are correct on more than 80% of the shots.
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I get my data from the simulators (High Definition Golf) I play on every week. I also hit balls on Flightscope indoors every week. I know my ball striking capability and Flightscope accurately reflects it, High Definition Golf does not. Last week High Definition Golf reported I flew a 5 iron 261 yards. I know my yardages well, it was actually about 210. I've played over 100 rounds on a simulator and there has yet to be a single round where I would say the distances are correct on more than 80% of the shots.
Yeah but what "simulator camera" was the OP using? If you are knocking HD Golf for its accuracy, you should have done a little more research. According to this article HD Golf is very accurate, but only for the layout of the course, where they use satellite imagery and geophysical data to map every square inch of the course in what would be a real-time and real life play through.

If he was at Golf Town for example, they use the Foresight GC2, which is pound for pound just as good, if not better, than Trackman indoors. Trackman is a fantastic machine, but you need something like 10-15 feet of fly space before the radar system can accurately track flight characteristics of the shot. So it has its flaws. In the same article I cited above, GC2 is used by Cobra, Cleveland, Adams/Taylormade, Ping, and Fujikura in both their fitting/R&D labs. So, some of the biggest names in golf club innovation trust GC2s to accurately predict ball flight dynamics. The only knock to Golf Town is they do not have the HMT camera accessory which would cost in total for both the unit and the HMT mount, $75,000 PER UNIT. That's a steep bill. From what I've heard by industry reps and read, the HMT only accurately measures club/ball speed. So since GT doesn't have this, ball speed is correct, but club head speed is predicted from a fixed smash factor of 1.45 for driver, 1.4 for fwys/hybrids, and 1.35 for irons. Which makes sense, because we are not tour pros, and we do not make perfect strikes each time. So if anything, the GC2 is maybe undershooting the true distance a little bit each time.

The take home message? If the OP was using the GT sims and the GC2, his numbers are right and not some machine error. So I will then stress he needs to go get a lesson to make sure he isn't hitting down on the ball with his driver causing excessive spin.
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Old Jan 9, 2017, 04:48 AM   #17
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Thank you for all of your feedback. I will be looking into attack angle and many of the other areas that could explain these results.

I am not sure which model simulator I was using but was at a Golfzon facility. I don't know how accurate the radar or sensors are but I felt it was close to the performance that I see out on the range and course.

I will make sure I get printed results next time I go so I can post and display actual numbers. Will post some videos as well if that helps with what my swing looks like.

Thanks for your help thus far.
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Thank you for all of your feedback. I will be looking into attack angle and many of the other areas that could explain these results.

I am not sure which model simulator I was using but was at a Golfzon facility. I don't know how accurate the radar or sensors are but I felt it was close to the performance that I see out on the range and course.

I will make sure I get printed results next time I go so I can post and display actual numbers. Will post some videos as well if that helps with what my swing looks like.

Thanks for your help thus far.
Golfzon sims tend to overread spin on long clubs and underread on short clubs in my experience
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Yeah but what "simulator camera" was the OP using? If you are knocking HD Golf for its accuracy, you should have done a little more research. According to this article HD Golf is very accurate, but only for the layout of the course, where they use satellite imagery and geophysical data to map every square inch of the course in what would be a real-time and real life play through.
I am knocking HD Golf for it's accuracy because.... it's not accurate. Played a round tonight and hit a 210 yard 7 iron so it was off by about two clubs. No additional research is necessary, I've used it over 100 times. The article you linked is not research, it was a buyer's guide that read like a sales brochure.

GC2 is a different animal, it was designed to be used as a launch monitor, so it has some degree of accuracy that the typical simulator doesn't have.
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