Need a Ruling - Toronto Golf Nuts

Bern · Mar 16, 2010, 09:16 PM

The Troll · Mar 16, 2010, 09:18 PM

4th choice....relief from a dangerous situation.

hogannut · Mar 16, 2010, 09:19 PM

I am assuming there is some obscure rule about the ball coming to rest near an animal, but from the pic I don't see any stakes, so said play it as it lies.

Bern · Mar 16, 2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Troll

4th choice....relief from a dangerous situation.

Is there such a choice?

The Troll · Mar 16, 2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bern

Is there such a choice?

Yes.

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-v...32005&rsec=560

hogannut · Mar 16, 2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Troll

Yes, I have seen it before but I am too lazy to look it up.

THat seems to make sense.

johnny canuck · Mar 16, 2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Troll

4th choice....relief from a dangerous situation.

Exactly.

We encounter that rule down here from time to time with snakes.

Bern · Mar 16, 2010, 09:31 PM

I was playing Disney Osprey and one of my playing partners pointed out the ball hit by a previous golfer. It was pretty funny.

So feeling safe is a very subjective determinant. Must a rules official be consulted to see if your safe is reasonable?

If taking relief from a hazard you must drop in a hazard.(as indicated in the video)
If taking relief from rough do I need to drop it in rough?
If taking relief from fairway do I need to drop it in fairway?

Does this not conflict with the play it as it lies rule? Surely if your ball comes to rest 40 feet up in a tree. Playing it from there would be dangerous, wouldn't it? Why not apply the rule?

tk1360 · Mar 16, 2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Troll

4th choice....relief from a dangerous situation.

that's correct. and fair/logical for once which isn't the usual for usga/r&a

aaagc · Mar 17, 2010, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bern

So feeling safe is a very subjective determinant. Must a rules official be consulted to see if your safe is reasonable?

It's your decision

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If taking relief from rough do I need to drop it in rough?
If taking relief from fairway do I need to drop it in fairway?

No. As the ball is through the green drop it through the green.

Shadow · Mar 17, 2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bern

Does this not conflict with the play it as it lies rule? Surely if your ball comes to rest 40 feet up in a tree. Playing it from there would be dangerous, wouldn't it? Why not apply the rule?

Let's not get carried away here. True, climbing a tree to play a shot MAY be dangerous, but it's stupid, as well. Likewise, playing a bunker shot INTO the wind, is dangerous, or hitting a ball where your club or ball may strike a tree and rebound at you. While these lies are "unpleasant," there are common and part of the game.

However, life threatening lies, like the alligator pic above, wasps nests and so on, are deemed not to be a part of the game.

Bern · Mar 17, 2010, 09:53 AM

Can anyone site the rule or decision? I tried to find a reference to it and couldn't.

golfnguru · Mar 17, 2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bern

Can anyone site the rule or decision? I tried to find a reference to it and couldn't.

http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules...ion-01/#1-4/10

tk1360 · Mar 17, 2010, 10:04 AM

lol. I found the same ruling but used the RCGA rulesofgolf.ca page.

1-4/10

A Man Called Papa · Mar 17, 2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tk1360

that's correct. and fair/logical for once which isn't the usual for usga/r&a

I don't see how fairness has much to do with it. Had the gator not been there, it looks as though the ball would have gone into the WH. Not only did the gator save the player a stroke, but he allowed the player to pick a spot potentially with a much better approach angle and perhaps avoiding something like a bunker to play over. It is not and never has been the objective of the ruling bodies to make the game of golf "fair", only consistent.

aaagc · Mar 17, 2010, 03:48 PM

In fact it is virtually the same as taking relief from an immovable obstruction.
That is where equity comes in. NB Not fairness.

tk1360 · Mar 17, 2010, 06:30 PM

I laughed/ grimaced when I wrote the word "fair" as an off the cuff comment. It is one of the most common words bandied about when someone receives a less than favorable ruling at junior events or ballbusting matches with close friends. If anything I should have more likely written to reflect the all encompassingness of the decisions as it more common than you would think in some areas.

I have seen gimme questions concerning this on a few rules quizzes and it always brought a smirk in a test situation.

Pingnut · Mar 17, 2010, 07:47 PM

That thing is just a baby... cook it up for some alligator stew.

Play the ball down.

OldGeezer · Mar 18, 2010, 10:32 AM

Because they can't turn quickly, smack him on the tail, and when he jumps in the water, hit the ball as it lies!!!

The Troll · Mar 18, 2010, 11:28 AM

Sadly, hitting your ball near certain gassy TGN members is not considered a dangerous situation.

Should be but....

A Man Called Papa · Mar 18, 2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aaagc

In fact it is virtually the same as taking relief from an immovable obstruction.
That is where equity comes in. NB Not fairness.

Of course.

I was looking for a good example of equity to include in a presentation I'm doing and now I have a picture and everything. Thanks guys.

Bern · Mar 19, 2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by A Man Called Papa

Of course.

I was looking for a good example of equity to include in a presentation I'm doing and now I have a picture and everything. Thanks guys.

Make the check for the pic royalties payable to Bern @ tgn.

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Mar 16, 2010, 09:18 PM	#2
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Mar 16, 2010, 09:19 PM	#3
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Mar 16, 2010, 09:31 PM	#8
Bern Tour Pro Join Date: Jul 24, 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,701	Re: Need a Ruling I was playing Disney Osprey and one of my playing partners pointed out the ball hit by a previous golfer. It was pretty funny. So feeling safe is a very subjective determinant. Must a rules official be consulted to see if your safe is reasonable? If taking relief from a hazard you must drop in a hazard.(as indicated in the video) If taking relief from rough do I need to drop it in rough? If taking relief from fairway do I need to drop it in fairway? Does this not conflict with the play it as it lies rule? Surely if your ball comes to rest 40 feet up in a tree. Playing it from there would be dangerous, wouldn't it? Why not apply the rule? __________________ Titelist 910 D3 Aldila RIP Alpha 66g X Titleist 909 f3 15 Voodoo 76 g S Titlest 909h 19 Voodoo 86 g S PING S57 4-W rifle 6.0 PING Tour W 50-8,54-12,58-12 rifle 6.0 Scotty California Coronado 32.25" Last edited by Bern; Mar 16, 2010 at 09:43 PM.

Mar 17, 2010, 09:53 AM	#12
Bern Tour Pro Join Date: Jul 24, 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,701	Re: Need a Ruling Can anyone site the rule or decision? I tried to find a reference to it and couldn't. __________________ Titelist 910 D3 Aldila RIP Alpha 66g X Titleist 909 f3 15 Voodoo 76 g S Titlest 909h 19 Voodoo 86 g S PING S57 4-W rifle 6.0 PING Tour W 50-8,54-12,58-12 rifle 6.0 Scotty California Coronado 32.25"

Mar 16, 2010, 09:16 PM	#1
Bern Tour Pro Join Date: Jul 24, 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,701	Need a Ruling Attachment 25984 __________________ Titelist 910 D3 Aldila RIP Alpha 66g X Titleist 909 f3 15 Voodoo 76 g S Titlest 909h 19 Voodoo 86 g S PING S57 4-W rifle 6.0 PING Tour W 50-8,54-12,58-12 rifle 6.0 Scotty California Coronado 32.25" Last edited by Bern; Mar 10, 2012 at 07:08 AM.

Mar 17, 2010, 10:04 AM	#14
tk1360 Tour Pro Join Date: Jul 16, 2007 Location: Toronto - Corso Italia Posts: 1,020	Re: Need a Ruling lol. I found the same ruling but used the RCGA rulesofgolf.ca page. 1-4/10 __________________ -Kyle In da Cleveland E-9 Cleveland XLS Monster 10.5/Nike* Dymo2 5 wd/Cleveland HiBore XLS 3Hyb Cleveland CG7 Tours 4-PW/Cleveland CG12 50/54/Cleveland 588 DSG RTG+ 60 Seemore FGP BST Pics: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/tk1360/

Mar 17, 2010, 03:48 PM	#16
aaagc Tour Pro Join Date: Sep 2, 2005 Posts: 1,237	Re: Need a Ruling In fact it is virtually the same as taking relief from an immovable obstruction. That is where equity comes in. NB Not fairness. __________________ English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

Mar 17, 2010, 06:30 PM	#17
tk1360 Tour Pro Join Date: Jul 16, 2007 Location: Toronto - Corso Italia Posts: 1,020	Re: Need a Ruling I laughed/ grimaced when I wrote the word "fair" as an off the cuff comment. It is one of the most common words bandied about when someone receives a less than favorable ruling at junior events or ballbusting matches with close friends. If anything I should have more likely written to reflect the all encompassingness of the decisions as it more common than you would think in some areas. I have seen gimme questions concerning this on a few rules quizzes and it always brought a smirk in a test situation. __________________ -Kyle In da Cleveland E-9 Cleveland XLS Monster 10.5/Nike* Dymo2 5 wd/Cleveland HiBore XLS 3Hyb Cleveland CG7 Tours 4-PW/Cleveland CG12 50/54/Cleveland 588 DSG RTG+ 60 Seemore FGP BST Pics: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss198/tk1360/

Mar 17, 2010, 07:47 PM	#18
Pingnut Greenskeeper Join Date: Sep 15, 2005 Posts: 5,979	Re: Need a Ruling That thing is just a baby... cook it up for some alligator stew. Play the ball down. __________________ Callaway FT9 10.5* Titleist 906 15* Adams A12 18* & 23* Srixon i302 5-pw Callaway X-Forged 50,58,64 Ping Redwood D66

Mar 18, 2010, 10:32 AM	#19
OldGeezer Low Handicapper Join Date: Mar 3, 2009 Location: S. Ontario & SW Florida Posts: 104	Re: Need a Ruling Because they can't turn quickly, smack him on the tail, and when he jumps in the water, hit the ball as it lies!!!

Mar 18, 2010, 11:28 AM	#20
The Troll Tour Pro Join Date: Sep 10, 2006 Location: Ministry of Sarcasm Posts: 7,223	Re: Need a Ruling Sadly, hitting your ball near certain gassy TGN members is not considered a dangerous situation. Should be but.... __________________ Trollie Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant!