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Golf Mechanix Tip Weight and FLO Tracer - shaft diameter range
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Originally posted by bl8d View Postvery simply, there is a Spine plane orientation(N1-N2) that is the 12-6 o'clock position, in other words from your address POV, it runs from toe to heel.
Next we have the NBP (neutral bend point) plane orientation which is the 9-3 o'clock position, which puts the clubface face at 9 o'clock pointing down the target line.
the Spine and the NBP are both stable planes meaning that the laser will F.L.O(in a straight line) in both of those planes.
in high quality graphite shafts the CPM difference in either plane will be minimal ,meaning the shaft can be installed in any position, and will work at its optimum.
A 2 cpm difference(1/4 flex) is considered very minor difference in flex, and one that most players will not feel.
A 5cpm is 1/2 flex and can be noticed.
A 10 cpm difference is 1 complete flex difference, meaning Regular from a Stiff, or a Stiff from an X flex.
Hope this helps a bit.
It's almost pointless to pursue this with adjustable hosels because any adjustment would knock the FLO orientation off.
So without actually finding the spine(s), A FLO-ed shaft could indicate the Spine or NBP. I will probably be able to get my shafts spined prior to FLO-ing them and so it will be interesting to see where things net out. And your point about adjustable clubs is also well-taken.WITB: clubs, balls, tees, Advil and a candlestick (just in case)
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I use a 3-jaw Jacobs Chuck at 205.0 grams, a mini laser pointer and 2 wooden clothes pins epoxied back-to-back-flipped as the laser holder.
Adams XTD Ti 12.5* / TightLies 2 Ti / Super 9031 Tour / Ping WRX i20 Irons
Ping WRX Tour Gorge / YES Natalie Putter B-CG / Leupold GX-4 Rangefinder
Personal Best: 79, hoping for another sub 80 round before the Twilight Zone
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Originally posted by bl8d View PostA 10 cpm difference is 1 complete flex difference, meaning Regular from a Stiff, or a Stiff from an X flex.
Hope this helps a bit.
It's almost pointless to pursue this with adjustable hosels because any adjustment would knock the FLO orientation off.
Find the final hosel adjustment which works (and no further adjustments), then realign for FLO down the target line.
Adams XTD Ti 12.5* / TightLies 2 Ti / Super 9031 Tour / Ping WRX i20 Irons
Ping WRX Tour Gorge / YES Natalie Putter B-CG / Leupold GX-4 Rangefinder
Personal Best: 79, hoping for another sub 80 round before the Twilight Zone
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Originally posted by TourIQ View PostI have a graphite shaft with a frequency differential of 15 cpm on 2 planes.
Find the final hosel adjustment which works (and no further adjustments), then realign for FLO down the target line.
yes,once you find a shaft's optimum FLO alignment, you epoxy the adjustable tip on so that in the neutral setting, the clubface points at target.
problem is, the neutral setting is not alway the optimum for every player. That's why, if you are going to play an adjustable type club, you should start with a premium shaft whose orientation is void of any measurable spine, or very close to being free of a measurable spine. That way you are free to play with the loft and lie options that are a feature of an adjustable club.
things change
Maga Lies Matter
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Originally posted by bl8d View Postbolded- that's a super spine shaft and fine to demo FLO at different cpm,but useless for play.
For years, guys were winning the ReMax Long Drive Championship with sheet wrapped graphite, which I suspect approached Super Shaft category.
Adams XTD Ti 12.5* / TightLies 2 Ti / Super 9031 Tour / Ping WRX i20 Irons
Ping WRX Tour Gorge / YES Natalie Putter B-CG / Leupold GX-4 Rangefinder
Personal Best: 79, hoping for another sub 80 round before the Twilight Zone
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Harry, I vaguely recall the talk, and it centered around one particular make of shaft of that period.(AJTech)
A large spine is not something you necessarily want to find. It's the "hole" in the pair of favourite socks. The decision of where to wear it, your right foot or on your left, became consuming.
It even messed up a good working relationship with the two founders of SSTPure. One wanted it Hard to Target the other 12 to 6. They parted, leaving us with Dick Weiss and his SSTPure and I don't know what his is.
For hobbyist the working mantra became laser defined FLO, mostly because it was the cheapest, easiest and most dependable method to find the best shaft performance alignment. Except you still needed an expensive CPM meter to differentiate the frequency between the two stable planes. If you had one, it was a simple matter of aligning the softest stable plane to Target, leaving the stiffest plane to minimize the toe droop. The idea being that the softest plane would whip the ball to target, while the stiffest plane, controlling the toe droop, would guarantee a consistent contact point on the face.
Eventually the working answer came from the shaft makers. They improved both the methods and the materials to make premium quality, " 99.44 %", round shafts with absolute minimal spine. The timing that this coincided with the advent of adjustable heads was/is fortunate.
Russ Ryden of Fit2Score calls this improved shaft building process one of building to a Radial Consistency.
things change
Maga Lies Matter
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Originally posted by bl8d View PostEventually the working answer came from the shaft makers. They improved both the methods and the materials to make premium quality, " 99.44 %", round shafts with absolute minimal spine. The timing that this coincided with the advent of adjustable heads was/is fortunate.
Russ Ryden of Fit2Score calls this improved shaft building process one of building to a Radial Consistency.
I still haven't found a graphite shaft that doesn't exhibit some degree to want to wobble vs. FLO.
Adams XTD Ti 12.5* / TightLies 2 Ti / Super 9031 Tour / Ping WRX i20 Irons
Ping WRX Tour Gorge / YES Natalie Putter B-CG / Leupold GX-4 Rangefinder
Personal Best: 79, hoping for another sub 80 round before the Twilight Zone
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Harry, where did you get the 100.2 from?
FLO remains the gold standard for the optimum performance alignment of a golf shaft.
but
at 99.44% a golf shaft,while not ivory pure(d) throughout its range of orientation, comes very close, and is very suited to the adapter styled heads.things change
Maga Lies Matter
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Originally posted by bl8d View PostHarry, where did you get the 100.2 from?
FLO remains the gold standard for the optimum performance alignment of a golf shaft.
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at 99.44% a golf shaft,while not ivory pure(d) throughout its range of orientation, comes very close, and is very suited to the adapter styled heads.
Is it possible to record a reading of 100.2%?
Adams XTD Ti 12.5* / TightLies 2 Ti / Super 9031 Tour / Ping WRX i20 Irons
Ping WRX Tour Gorge / YES Natalie Putter B-CG / Leupold GX-4 Rangefinder
Personal Best: 79, hoping for another sub 80 round before the Twilight Zone
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Originally posted by TourIQ View Postbl8d scroll down to the spec's on the 9th shaft down (Matrix Ozik Altus hX3White Tie) at http://fit2score.com/blog/?cat=6
Is it possible to record a reading of 100.2%?
The point remains, that a shaft with minimal spine showing is the best option for a variable head design.things change
Maga Lies Matter
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