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    A little background: I am 61, 5-10, played the game since I was 12, more so since I was about 18. joined a club in 2015, handicap got down to a 12 for many years, but have always fought a slice. In 2009, I was laid off during the financial crisis and decided to get lessons and alter my swing to get rid of my slice. So I worked and took lessons from the club pro over the winter. Index that year went to an 18, but was able to gradually over successive seasons get back to ~14. Then 5 years ago, it all went south, slipped to a 20 and bounced occasionally to an 18. My best round in that period was an anomalous 82 that cost me a lot of money in my betting until it re-normalized. Pre-covid I went back to another pro at the club for weekly lessons, but things never really stuck. Last summer, my buddy told me to “go see Paul”. Paul Horton coaches a lot of the top juniors in the city and John had gone to him several times and he had been a huge help. Well, Paul corrected my grip, then rejigger things so I was turning further back and working to come at the ball more from the inside vs my old over the top move that never really went away. Unfortunately, though I did 4 sessions with him, I was unable to groove everything on the range, but I have an idea what to do. Earlier in March we went to Palm Springs and I fired the driver after 9 holes, went to 3 wood. Upon returning, I booked a driver and FW fitting at the local Modern Golf, and a lesson for later in the month with Paul.

    I haven’t been able to hit a fairway for 3 years now. Virtually every driver is offline and in the trees, easily 12-14 shots a round. Callaway Epic and then the Mavrix, both 10.5* with a 65 gram Evenflow reg flex. I ordered the shaft assembled from one of the online component sellers. Went with the specially made shaft to encourage a smoother swing. Swapped the Epic Sub-Zero head for the Mavrix 2 years ago to get more forgiveness. When purchased, I didn’t realise the Epic SZ was the low capper version. Turned out the Mavrik wasn’t much more forgiving….

    Anyways, I had booked a two hour session for driver and fairway woods. I warmed up and stretched, also had taken 2 Muscle and Joint Advil to make sure I stayed loose. I hit 5 to 7 with my driver. Everything was 240 max and most were right rough. As I was hitting, Kevin was rooting through drawers pulling heads and shafts, like a man on a mission! Tried the Cobra, Wilson, Titleist, Ping 430, Stealth, and Paradyme, etc. First 5 iterations weren’t much better, but the Wilson and the ping had the tightest dispersion. The biggest surprise was my spin rate was ~3500 and he wanted to get that down, so he switched me to a 9* head.

    He pulled the Ping again, moved the weight for draw bias and took a few. That was marginally better. He then re-centred the weight to neutral but put in the 28 gram weight at the back. Better again. We then switched to the Ping Tour 65gm Reg flex shaft and I don’t know if I was so tired by then that everything synched , but 5 of thr 7 drives were 260+ (three were 270+) yards total, 240 carry, and the other two misses were~ 230-240 but between the fairway bounds. I went back to my driver to retest and I hit the first one 272 inbounds, but the rest were shite. Ping driver on the way.

    By then it was an hour and I had hit 105 shots. My comment was I have hit 105 shots frequently, but usually over 3 1/2 hours, not in an hour! I was gassed. Tried a few with the 3 wood and no life left, so rescheduled for another day. I am positive hitting into the trees 14 times a round is costing me 15 strokes or more, so I am hoping this gets me closer to getting back to mid-80’s from shooting 95-105 all the time.

    FW fitting scheduled for Mid-May. Driver arrives about the same time.

    The guys in the Calgary shop were great. Kevin isn’t the most vocal conversationalist, but he is always watching, spin rates, smash, etc, but really only sharing what is pertinent and what he is trying to do. I eventually got a couple of chuckles out of him with my corny dad comments, but he was really astute at what might work and what to stay away from. An old friend walked in the door near the end of the session and as we were kibitzing, I spotted Kevin rooting around my bag….so he may have a few more expensive ideas for me I am sure. That being said, a friend went to him a few months ago and when he ran the numbers on his driver, Kevin commented that he didn’t see any reason to change, so he doesn’t just shill clubs. Looking forward to our next session.
    Callaway Maverick, Evenflow 65gm Reg, 45", 17 gm weight
    Callaway Rogue 13*, Evenflow 75 gm reg flex
    Callaway Rogue 15*, Evenflow 75 gm, reg flex
    Callaway Rogue 21* Hybrid, Aldila Rogue Black 85 gm
    TM P790 irons, 5-AW, DG R300U 105gm
    Ping Stealth 54/14 and 58/14 wedges
    Scotty Cameron Newport 2, 33”

  • #2
    Update: picked up the new stick on Friday and it went into the bag for my round yesterday. My timing was tight getting to the course, so limited warmup: time for 5 wedges and 3 or 4 drivers. So my tempo was admittedly way too quick (my usual bugbear) as I was feeling rushed.

    My brother and I were paired up with a couple of other guys I have played with several times in the past, nice guys. Anyways, I told them the story of my Palm Springs trip, firing the driver and the fitting….so they were pushing me out first and saying “let’s see the 260!”

    First hole is a short 480 yard par 5, with a big pond in front of the tee box, about an 80 yard carry.

    Tried to get my head slowed down, but failed and got too quick, and topped the shot off the tee box….barely made it over the pond. Topped it on 2, 3 is a short par 4, hit 3w of the tee, pulled a little left with a helping draw, suboptimal for the sharp dogleg right hole. 200 yards with a view to the flag, hit hybrid to behind the green, two putt par though, so scramble, but OK with that.

    4th hole, better contact though a little leaky right, but better. Ended up in right side fairway bunker up against the front lip. but not a horrid hit overall.

    Parred the 158 yard par 3 5th, 8i to 8’, two putts….missed birdie putt lipped out…

    6th, heel hit on 360 yard par 4, low fading screamer to 100 yards in left centre of fairway….decent miss…

    7th, 440 yard par 4, number 1 handicap hole, swung around my body too upright, pulled dead left into trees, horrid swing…

    8 420 yard par 4, went too quick after the ball and put 2 drives OB right into back yards…X-8

    Kind of went like that until 15, caught a decent miss, left first cut, about 240 out.Parred that.

    17, another long par 4, 2nd handicap hole, went after it too much again, faded to right trees, with old driver it would have been 20 yards further right…

    18, again too quick, but the distance got past the trees on the right side that I normally would have caught.

    The club feels far more solid than the Mavrik it replaces. I need to spend a lot of time on the range and really groove slowing down my tempo, and getting right shoulder thru the ball under the left. I had a lesson two weeks ago and another tomorrow. big things were to get the club further behind me with a bigger turn, coming at the ball from the inside more and hitting into ball on the upswing, vs negative impact angle. I could tell from the tee scrapes that I was back to my outside in swing path, a function of too quick a tempo.

    No play today, gonna go a couple hours of range time and bunker practise.​


    Update #2:

    Spent hour and a half at the range this afternoon. Spent half hour on short to mid-irons hitting to targets, and the last hour on the driver, trying to do a full turn back, pause, come at the ball low and from the inside, rising thru the ball, posting up on left leg and extending thru the ball. Ya, the head is full.

    This club is just so solid. Wind was into me and a club and a half, but I was ignoring distance, focussing on tempo, contact and flight path. At the end, I probably would have ham and egged it, but nothing solid like I would like to see/feel.

    Lesson booked for tomorrow night.​
    Callaway Maverick, Evenflow 65gm Reg, 45", 17 gm weight
    Callaway Rogue 13*, Evenflow 75 gm reg flex
    Callaway Rogue 15*, Evenflow 75 gm, reg flex
    Callaway Rogue 21* Hybrid, Aldila Rogue Black 85 gm
    TM P790 irons, 5-AW, DG R300U 105gm
    Ping Stealth 54/14 and 58/14 wedges
    Scotty Cameron Newport 2, 33”

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    • #3
      Not sure what this thread is? US golfers love to tell everyone else every single swing, shot, how we played, swing thought etc and everybody else actually wants to hear it 😆
      We love to hear ourselves talk... I'm guessing this is for you🤷‍♂️⛳🗣️ lol
      I would get a 🦜
      Ps the distances u say you got in fitting are incredible. I'm 56 and down to a 4 HDCP and my drives average 238. I track my shots and in no way am I firing 260.... I'm 6'1" your 5'10" 20 plus yards longer with that driver... At least in a fitting sim 😉
      PING CAMO BAG...
      WEAPONS...
      SRIXON ZX5 10.5
      3W TM M2
      HYB 19 deg Callaway Epic
      5-aw Callaway Epic Forged

      SW TM Milled Grind 56
      LW TM MILLED GRIND 60

      PUTTER Rotation TM Spider Tour, Scotty np2 ,
      3 ball Fang, RIFE TOUR

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sharkhark View Post
        Not sure what this thread is? US golfers love to tell everyone else every single swing, shot, how we played, swing thought etc and everybody else actually wants to hear it 😆
        We love to hear ourselves talk... I'm guessing this is for you🤷‍♂️⛳🗣️ lol
        I would get a 🦜
        Ps the distances u say you got in fitting are incredible. I'm 56 and down to a 4 HDCP and my drives average 238. I track my shots and in no way am I firing 260.... I'm 6'1" your 5'10" 20 plus yards longer with that driver... At least in a fitting sim 😉
        Well, that is what the sim had. We are also at 3500’ which helps, which the sim was set to, but sims are sims, so the settings may be off. Had a free Arcoss coupon, and free trial, so I will have better data in a few months. My good drives at the range Sunday were well thru 220, with roll, into a club wind.

        My apologies for giving more detail than you like on my fitting experience. feel free to put me on ignore.

        Callaway Maverick, Evenflow 65gm Reg, 45", 17 gm weight
        Callaway Rogue 13*, Evenflow 75 gm reg flex
        Callaway Rogue 15*, Evenflow 75 gm, reg flex
        Callaway Rogue 21* Hybrid, Aldila Rogue Black 85 gm
        TM P790 irons, 5-AW, DG R300U 105gm
        Ping Stealth 54/14 and 58/14 wedges
        Scotty Cameron Newport 2, 33”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by duffer_mcmulligan View Post

          My apologies for giving more detail than you like on my fitting experience. feel free to put me on ignore.
          I find the posts interesting - sort of gives me "fly on the wall" vibes during a therapy session . It sounds like you're pretty dedicated to sorting this out, and I'm sure the results will come. It also shows that getting fit for a new club isn't a magic bullet. There's usually still some work to be done after you pick it up.
          We may not be good but at least we'll be slow - PB


          TM RBZ Tour 10.5 set to 9 deg with Aldila RIP Alpha 70s
          Adams IDEA Super Hybrid XTD 17 deg stiff
          Nike Machspeed 3H 21 deg stiff
          Wilson FG Tour V4 - 4i-GW - DG Pro S300 - TLT build
          Cleveland/TM wedges - 53 / 56 / 60 - all one length
          Cleveland BRZ Classic 1 putter
          Srixon Star XV
          Ogio Grom bag

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          • #6
            Commend you for putting your struggles out there.
            fitting and me don’t get along - have done it twice now and always offseason which I don’t think helps the situation.
            hope you figure it out.

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            • #7
              it's a dear diary.

              OP clearly has as lot of resources(money) and time on his hand so why not???

              You don't have to read it and believe whatever on the internet. The other day I was watching Steve Pratt youtube channel and some dude said he was 58 yearsold bombing in 350 still with easy swing which is almost the average drive in a long drive competition



              Originally posted by sharkhark View Post
              Not sure what this thread is? US golfers love to tell everyone else every single swing, shot, how we played, swing thought etc and everybody else actually wants to hear it 😆
              We love to hear ourselves talk... I'm guessing this is for you🤷‍♂️⛳🗣️ lol
              I would get a 🦜
              Ps the distances u say you got in fitting are incredible. I'm 56 and down to a 4 HDCP and my drives average 238. I track my shots and in no way am I firing 260.... I'm 6'1" your 5'10" 20 plus yards longer with that driver... At least in a fitting sim 😉

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sunshiNee View Post
                it's a dear diary.

                OP clearly has as lot of resources(money) and time on his hand so why not???

                You don't have to read it and believe whatever on the internet. The other day I was watching Steve Pratt youtube channel and some dude said he was 58 yearsold bombing in 350 still with easy swing which is almost the average drive in a long drive competition




                i am fortunate, but not spendthrift. Will be selling other clubs to partially offset.

                I asked Kevin at Modern Golf if I could get the data, just because I wanted to be able to go back and point to the data and blame it for my purchase, but as others said, the new stick is not a magic wand. Kevin said he had a system malfunction and can’t figure out how to dig it up. Still have to put int he time to groove the new swing and slow down the tempo. i have a fairway wood follow up fitting on Monday, so will ask again then.
                Callaway Maverick, Evenflow 65gm Reg, 45", 17 gm weight
                Callaway Rogue 13*, Evenflow 75 gm reg flex
                Callaway Rogue 15*, Evenflow 75 gm, reg flex
                Callaway Rogue 21* Hybrid, Aldila Rogue Black 85 gm
                TM P790 irons, 5-AW, DG R300U 105gm
                Ping Stealth 54/14 and 58/14 wedges
                Scotty Cameron Newport 2, 33”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by duffer_mcmulligan View Post

                  i am fortunate, but not spendthrift. Will be selling other clubs to partially offset.

                  I asked Kevin at Modern Golf if I could get the data, just because I wanted to be able to go back and point to the data and blame it for my purchase, but as others said, the new stick is not a magic wand. Kevin said he had a system malfunction and can’t figure out how to dig it up. Still have to put int he time to groove the new swing and slow down the tempo. i have a fairway wood follow up fitting on Monday, so will ask again then.
                  Damn... Disappearing data... That sucks
                  PING CAMO BAG...
                  WEAPONS...
                  SRIXON ZX5 10.5
                  3W TM M2
                  HYB 19 deg Callaway Epic
                  5-aw Callaway Epic Forged

                  SW TM Milled Grind 56
                  LW TM MILLED GRIND 60

                  PUTTER Rotation TM Spider Tour, Scotty np2 ,
                  3 ball Fang, RIFE TOUR

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sharkhark View Post
                    Damn... Disappearing data... That sucks
                    Not related to this thread, but got a new cell phone from Robber Rogers and not thinking it through, I let them do the transfer from the old one to the new one. They screwed up and after they finished a ton of data was not on either phone.
                    Fortunately most of the really critical was backed up elsewhere, but still a mess.
                    BTW OP are you getting lonely out West, two massive posts on fitting and wine. LOL
                    Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and wrong, because sometime in your life, you will have been all of these. Dr. Robert H. Goddard




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                    • #11
                      duffer_mcmulligan;n3655369]A little background: I am 61, 5-10, played the game since I was 12, more so since I was about 18. joined a club in 2015, handicap got down to a 12 for many years, but have always fought a slice. In 2009, I was laid off during the financial crisis and decided to get lessons and alter my swing to get rid of my slice. So I worked and took lessons from the club pro over the winter. Index that year went to an 18, but was able to gradually over successive seasons get back to ~14. Then 5 years ago, it all went south, slipped to a 20 and bounced occasionally to an 18. My best round in that period was an anomalous 82 that cost me a lot of money in my betting until it re-normalized. Pre-covid I went back to another pro at the club for weekly lessons, but things never really stuck. Last summer, my buddy told me to “go see Paul”......


                      I found your synopsis very interesting. Interesting (to me) that my lifetime playing specs are almost exactly the same as yours. Started at the same age, but didn't get serious till about 40, with lessons now at least once a month. I am not a natural at this game, and the company of playing partners is a big attraction for me. At 62, the lessons help keep me at a solid 17 handicap. My first club fitting was with Callaway in Toronto about 20 years ago. Apex 22 forged gave me the feel for that type of club, and I have become a bit of an equipment junkie ever since. I have the resources to buy whenever I want, but my better half, who also golfs, keeps me in check
                      As I get older I find my fittings and purchases are to keep me in the game comfortably, hopefully down the middle, and any new distance is a bonus. I have done fittings at Callaway, Taylormade, and Titliest. All were good but as i have gained equipment knowledge, I have found TXG or Modern Golf more to my liking. They have the variety of heads/shafts to test. I desire what will help me, and short of Autoflex shaft prices, will pay what it takes to get me there. I do attend with great interest all the demo days at our club. This winter (we have 2 very active simulators at our club) I was looking at woods. I am replacing 5 year old Titliest driver, 3 wood and 21deg hybrid, mostly to find some distance. Almost right away the Ping 430 hybrids (3 and 5) were chosen, and with testing a Stealth Plus2 15deg 3 wood. The Pings I think I could hit blind folded. The Taylormade 3 is a work in progress, but long enough to justify the price with shaft upgrades and all. Paul K. at TXG is a pleasure to work with!! He knows my abilities and my budget, and isn't afraid to say work on that skill and then spend the money on a new....(driver).
                      I was younger when I did the Titliest wood/hybrid fitting, and that day was exhausting!! It's great when these guys at specialist fitting facilities recognize that it may take 2 or 3 sessions to complete the fitting. And TXG had me back after I had played a bit with the new clubs to do a followup check. All and all a continued great experience, and I would bet that Modern or other specialty fitters would be good too.

                      Robber Rogers just redid my plan, in my favour. First time for everything.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jimbo08 View Post
                        duffer_mcmulligan;n3655369]A little background: I am 61, 5-10, played the game since I was 12, more so since I was about 18. joined a club in 2015, handicap got down to a 12 for many years, but have always fought a slice. In 2009, I was laid off during the financial crisis and decided to get lessons and alter my swing to get rid of my slice. So I worked and took lessons from the club pro over the winter. Index that year went to an 18, but was able to gradually over successive seasons get back to ~14. Then 5 years ago, it all went south, slipped to a 20 and bounced occasionally to an 18. My best round in that period was an anomalous 82 that cost me a lot of money in my betting until it re-normalized. Pre-covid I went back to another pro at the club for weekly lessons, but things never really stuck. Last summer, my buddy told me to “go see Paul”......


                        I found your synopsis very interesting. Interesting (to me) that my lifetime playing specs are almost exactly the same as yours. Started at the same age, but didn't get serious till about 40, with lessons now at least once a month. I am not a natural at this game, and the company of playing partners is a big attraction for me. At 62, the lessons help keep me at a solid 17 handicap. My first club fitting was with Callaway in Toronto about 20 years ago. Apex 22 forged gave me the feel for that type of club, and I have become a bit of an equipment junkie ever since. I have the resources to buy whenever I want, but my better half, who also golfs, keeps me in check
                        As I get older I find my fittings and purchases are to keep me in the game comfortably, hopefully down the middle, and any new distance is a bonus. I have done fittings at Callaway, Taylormade, and Titliest. All were good but as i have gained equipment knowledge, I have found TXG or Modern Golf more to my liking. They have the variety of heads/shafts to test. I desire what will help me, and short of Autoflex shaft prices, will pay what it takes to get me there. I do attend with great interest all the demo days at our club. This winter (we have 2 very active simulators at our club) I was looking at woods. I am replacing 5 year old Titliest driver, 3 wood and 21deg hybrid, mostly to find some distance. Almost right away the Ping 430 hybrids (3 and 5) were chosen, and with testing a Stealth Plus2 15deg 3 wood. The Pings I think I could hit blind folded. The Taylormade 3 is a work in progress, but long enough to justify the price with shaft upgrades and all. Paul K. at TXG is a pleasure to work with!! He knows my abilities and my budget, and isn't afraid to say work on that skill and then spend the money on a new....(driver).
                        I was younger when I did the Titliest wood/hybrid fitting, and that day was exhausting!! It's great when these guys at specialist fitting facilities recognize that it may take 2 or 3 sessions to complete the fitting. And TXG had me back after I had played a bit with the new clubs to do a followup check. All and all a continued great experience, and I would bet that Modern or other specialty fitters would be good too.

                        Robber Rogers just redid my plan, in my favour. First time for everything.
                        I had previously done a fitting at TaylorMade in Palm Desert back in 2010, when I got my R9 irons, fairway woods and driver. They had me put on this silly jacket with protrusions on sticks coming out of it. It all seemed kind of silly, but the sim work was followed by a range session. Given the technology change, the Trackman /GC3 data seems more comparative, relatively speaking.

                        I had a follow up session at Modern Golf with Kevin last week. The cancelled fairway wood session. In the end, it looks like the Ping 430 Max 15*, 19* and 4H (23*) were the best fits. Same Tour Chrome 75gm reg flex shafts in the 3 and 5w, the hybrid had an 85gm shaft. I haven’t committed to those as yet.

                        I had an epiphany on the range last Thursday, didn’t play the weekend, but had a match play match tonight. The epiphany didn’t follow through, so will hit the range after my workout tomorrow after work. Things are getting close. My partner and I closed out our team match play opening round today 6 and 5. My 91, not proud of that, but net 2 strokes better than my handicap helped. Slowly making progress….New fairway woods/hybrids or no? The Pings have a feel like no other I have ever hit….
                        Callaway Maverick, Evenflow 65gm Reg, 45", 17 gm weight
                        Callaway Rogue 13*, Evenflow 75 gm reg flex
                        Callaway Rogue 15*, Evenflow 75 gm, reg flex
                        Callaway Rogue 21* Hybrid, Aldila Rogue Black 85 gm
                        TM P790 irons, 5-AW, DG R300U 105gm
                        Ping Stealth 54/14 and 58/14 wedges
                        Scotty Cameron Newport 2, 33”

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