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Originally posted by Joe Backyard View Post
Have they opened the new holes. Club website still show the original layout with video fly-overs.
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Originally posted by PistolPete View Post
I really struggle with the Nest. Conditions are great and playability is very high but there are very few truly memorable holes. Very bland for my taste. Only holes I kind of remember were a par 5 on the front and the holes in the woods to finish the round (even then they meld together)
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Originally posted by PistolPete View Post
I really struggle with the Nest. Conditions are great and playability is very high but there are very few truly memorable holes. Very bland for my taste. Only holes I kind of remember were a par 5 on the front and the holes in the woods to finish the round (even then they meld together)
Hole 2 is a well-designed tricky little par 3, especially if you do not pay attention to the wind.
Other things like hole 4, you'd prefer to come in from the left side of the fairway, but the bailout is to the right making the next shot almost blind.
Hole 5 is risk reward as the landing area for a driver is actually really small, and that hill on the left throws the balls into the fescue.
Hole 7 again rewards a great tee shot, but you risk all those bunkers on the right and similar to the approach with the water and bunkers.
Hole 8 has the wind being a massive factor. The easy shot is to aim at the hills on the left and let it funnel down.
Hole 9 is a beast when the wind is against you. Hole 10 is boring IMO.
Hole 11, rewards a great tee shot, anything less brings in that bunker in the middle of the fairway for your second.
Hole 12 is a tough par 3, again the wind makes this difficult as does the green sloping away from the tee
Hole 13 tempts the driver especially with the wind helping or still but those bunkers are easier to roll in and make front pins nearly impossible
Hole 15 depends on a helping or hurting wind. tough elevated green that slopes off at the front, left, and back
Hole 16 is straight forward but the green can be tricky and don't go right or long.
Hole 17, is well protected by bunkers and you can't feel the wind but it is a factor
Hole 18 plays long. hard to play the shortest way to the green with the bunkers on the right, and the fairway tends to kick bailouts even more left making the hole longer and a tough approach over those two greenside bunkers on the left/.
The walk back up to the clubhouse/parking lot is long and it sucks. IMO, I like it way more than Glen Abby. I enjoyed TPC Hoot more but not by a crazy amount. I think once the trees mature, the drainage issue gets better, in the 70's or low 80's wouldn't be a stretch.
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Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
Nest 100% big fan, great track.
agree with Taboo as well, played it a couple times last year for the first time in years, was very impressed
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Originally posted by Joe Backyard View Post
Have they opened the new holes. Club website still show the original layout with video fly-overs.
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Originally posted by althouse View PostGlad Kawartha was mentioned. New holes look great.
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By comparison, here are the criteria that Golf Digest use:
SHOT OPTIONS
How well does the course present a variety of options involving risks and rewards and require a wide range of shots?
CHALLENGE
How challenging, while still being fair, is the course for a typical scratch golfer playing from the tees designated as back tees for everyday play (not from seldom-used championship tees)?
LAYOUT VARIETY
How varied is the physical layout of the course in terms of differing lengths (long, medium and short par 3s, 4s and 5s), configurations (straight holes, doglegs left and right), hazard placements, green shapes and green contours?
DISTINCTIVENESS
How individual is each hole when compared to all others on this course?
Watch Golf Digest’s latest “Every Hole At” course videos below:
AESTHETICS
How well do the scenic values of the course add to the pleasure of a round?
CONDITIONING
How firm, fast and rolling were the fairways, how firm yet receptive were the greens and how true were the roll of putts on the day you played the course?
CHARACTER
How well does the course design exude ingenuity and uniqueness and possess profound characteristics that you would consider outstanding for its era?
FUN
How enjoyable for all levels of golfers would this course be to play on a regular basis?j
Golf Digest's Fun category was introduced two years ago, so we do not have enough data to use in the calculations of our 100 Greatest rankings.
To arrive at a course's final score, we total its averages in the seven categories, doubling Shot Options. A course needs 75 evaluations over the past 10 years to be eligible for America's 100 Greatest and the Second 100 Greatest.
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Every ranking/rating system is slightly different. Golf Digest's differs from Score Magazine etc.
From a few comments it seems there is unfamiliarity on how Score actually goes about their ranking systems : the following two paragraphs on the process are copied from Score:
"SCOREGolf uses a comprehensive online system for ranking Canada’s best golf courses.
Golf courses are rated on a five-plus-year rolling period. Courses must be open and have a minimum of 10 ratings in our system to be eligible for the Top 100. Panellists are not allowed to rate courses at which they work, are a member or in which they have an ownership position. Panellists are asked to rate courses on what they experience between the first tee and 18th green. Amenities such as clubhouse, club history, practice facility and service have no bearing on this rating."
"Our panellists rate courses by beauty, strategy, challenge, design, par 3s, par 4s, par 5s, conditioning and fun factor. Beauty, strategy, challenge and design carry a weighting of 15 per cent; conditioning, par 3s, par 4s and par 5s a weighting of five per cent; and fun the heaviest weighting at 20 per cent. Panellists award marks for each category out of 10 to a tenth of a decimal, which, based on the respective category weights, yields an overall mark out of 10. A course is then assigned a mean average out of 10, which is extended to the fourth decimal place in an effort to break ties."Last edited by Weirfan; Jan 18, 2022, 04:37 PM.
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Originally posted by althouse View PostGlad Kawartha was mentioned. New holes look great.
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Originally posted by ShanksMcDuck View PostThe Nest better move on up. It is a fantastic course.
Agree with Drew, Kawartha should move up higher and so should Lookout Point.
The Algonquin likely also moves up after more panelists have viewed the renovation.
Taboo is a course I actually really liked last year, it should also probably move up a bit but wont.
The Ridge at Manitou should be gone from the list. Conditioning and pace of play make it unenjoyable. Routing is ok but nothing out of this world.
Black Bear Ridge should also move down towards the bottom of the list. I will go play it again this year, but I didnt think it was anything fantastic.
agree with Taboo as well, played it a couple times last year for the first time in years, was very impressed
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Originally posted by Alan I View PostHopefully Brantford is going to move higher in the list. Maybe not in 2022 but 2023 for sure. The club is currently undergoing a nearly $7 million upgrade... redoing all bunkers, rebuilding 4 greens, moving a pond, adding/deleting trees, some mounding, rehabbing the cart paths and more. Work should be completed early summer of 2023.
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Hopefully Brantford is going to move higher in the list. Maybe not in 2022 but 2023 for sure. The club is currently undergoing a nearly $7 million upgrade... redoing all bunkers, rebuilding 4 greens, moving a pond, adding/deleting trees, some mounding, rehabbing the cart paths and more. Work should be completed early summer of 2023.
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