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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cdntac View Post

    It’s not that it’s a centre shafted putter that is unique. It’s that it’s weighted/balanced so that the face returns square (provided you don’t manipulate the face).

    They’re unique putters also because you can’t tinker with them yourself (other than changing to a similar weighted grip). If you ask them for a different grip or shaft, that putter is balanced using different weights.

    Edited to add: Watch their revealer vid. That pretty much says it all in regards to how their putters return to square.

    And provided you don’t change that while making your stroke, you should see improved results on the green.


    Will everybody? Likely not everyone to be honest, I suspect.

    And am I coming across a fanboy? No doubt. But I can honestly say I can see the benefits of the tech LAB has over other putters manufacturers due to the Lie/Angle/Balance science.
    I saw the video. But, the thing is....no one swings a putter like the device used in the demonstration. Those putters were not held by direct gripping, but were allowed to swivel independently, through the stroke, along the axis of the shaft. As impressive looking as it is, the mechanics of that demonstration have little semblance to how putters are really used.

    If you go back to our bicycle analogies....when you hold a bicycle wheel in your hands, by each end of its axle, in a perpendicular position, and spin the wheel, the spinning wheel acts like a gyroscope. The wheel becomes difficult to manipulate away from that rotational axis because of the centrifugal forces imparted by the spinning wheel. That energy, or momentum, makes it very difficult to tilt the spinning wheel off that vertical axis, while the wheel spins quickly.

    But a putting stroke does not involve anywhere near such energy, or momentum, as a spinning bicycle wheel. And certainly, I would think, not enough in and of itself to prevent one from manipulating the club face, or to overcome the power of a grip, or to return it to square in the execution of a poor putting stroke.

    Again, not saying this is not a good putter. I just remain skeptical of the sales pitch and its claims.

    I think It would be interesting to hear what a mechanical engineer has to say about this.

    Fortunately there are no rules limiting the number of golf balls you can carry during a match!

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    • #32
      I got a blue DF3 a few months back, and I love the look and feel. I'm definitely putting better with it, but I'm also finishing up my 4th year playing so maybe I just got better in general. I will say I have a bunch of confidence standing over the ball with it.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by SammyParadise View Post
        I got a blue DF3 a few months back, and I love the look and feel. I'm definitely putting better with it, but I'm also finishing up my 4th year playing so maybe I just got better in general. I will say I have a bunch of confidence standing over the ball with it.
        That's great. Having confidence in your putter when standing over the ball is huge.

        Fortunately there are no rules limiting the number of golf balls you can carry during a match!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fore Warned View Post

          I saw the video. But, the thing is....no one swings a putter like the device used in the demonstration. Those putters were not held by direct gripping, but were allowed to swivel independently, through the stroke, along the axis of the shaft. As impressive looking as it is, the mechanics of that demonstration have little semblance to how putters are really used.
          As a user, I have to disagree with you on this.

          I’ve also realized that a very light grip helps with these putters. Mostly my last three fingers of my upper hand are putting pressure on the grip. The lower hand is just barely gripping the club.

          You take it back and just let it come through square. When I’ve gone back to try a blade putter with a plumber’s neck it just feels different and that it needs to be controlled.

          The thumbs off drill they promote shows this very well too.

          I can completely understand how a few putts in a store may not convince people to buy. But a few times on the practice green or dropping some extra balls while on the course and getting to know the putter better will show what it can do.

          But as mentioned, they’re expensive so it’s a big $$ possible risk for many.

          If fit into a stock LAB, I’d suggest people try one via Kijiji or FB Marketplace where $$ can be saved versus buying new and can subsequently be sold if need be at little loss.
          Last edited by Cdntac; Oct 26, 2024, 06:29 AM. Reason: Spelling

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          • #35
            Originally posted by SammyParadise View Post
            I got a blue DF3 a few months back, and I love the look and feel. I'm definitely putting better with it, but I'm also finishing up my 4th year playing so maybe I just got better in general. I will say I have a bunch of confidence standing over the ball with it.
            I have a red one and also have a lot of confidence standing over the ball. I’ve always been a confident putter but now even moreso.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cdntac View Post

              As a user, I have to disagree with you on this.

              I’ve also realized that a very light grip helps with these putters. Mostly my last three fingers of my upper hand are putting pressure on the grip. The lower hand is just barely gripping the club.

              You take it back and just let it come through square. When I’ve gone back to try a blade putter with a plumber’s neck it just feels different and that it needs to be controlled.

              The thumbs off drill they promote shows this very well too.

              I can completely understand how a few putts in a store may not convince people to buy. But a few times on the practice green or dropping some extra balls while on the course and getting to know the putter better will show what it can do.

              But as mentioned, they’re expensive so it’s a big $$ possible risk for many.

              If fit not a stock LAB, I’d suggest people try one via Kijiji or FB Marketplace where $$ can be saved versus buying new and can subsequently be sold if need be at little loss.
              I have an arm lock putter, with a blade putter on a plumber's neck. (FWIIW, these putters should be called "arm rest" putters. There is no "lock". The extended shaft extends the grip so that it rests on the inside of the lead fore arm. FYI, Matt Kutcher re-jigged his arm lock to rest on the trail arm).

              I went that route after noticing I was trying to control the head on a regular putter.

              The idea behind these "arm lock" putters is to eliminate, or at least reduce wrist articulation that might move the clubface out of square.

              Having a greater contact area with the grip, above the wrist requires more muscular effort to introduce any wrist twisting motion, away from square, against the plane of the stroke.

              But it is not a mechanical thing, because there is no "lock", it is really more phycological, because of the added connectivity of a longer shaft to the arm.

              These too are very sensitive to a person's height and putting stance set up. For example,. Dechambeau's extreme upright putting stance needs a very different putter head loft and lie than most other people, who use a more tradition bent at the waist stance.

              Many people don't like these putters, because they are very prescriptive in defining a persons putting stance, based on their requirement to rest the top of the grip, on a specific part of the fore arm, just below the inside of the elbow. If there is any "lock" involved with these putters, it is in the stance and set up they impose on the user. It is one of the first comments people make when they pick these thing up.

              However, even with all of that, squared face and all, putts will go off line, and get pushed or pulled, whenever a stoke is not absolutely aligned to the aim line.

              This putter, for me, has improved my ability to render a more squared up putting stroke, with much less deliberate, or even unconscious "controlling" of the putter head to get it squared up at impact. It does not eliminate off line hits.

              While it is not infallible, I can't see going back to a regular length putter, even one that claims it "comes through squared".

              The only real way of eliminating, or significantly reducing user input to trying to control the putter head, is by using belly putters and other anchored putters - but they have all been banned.

              Fortunately there are no rules limiting the number of golf balls you can carry during a match!

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              • #37
                LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                thinking of looking at one for next year

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
                  LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                  thinking of looking at one for next year
                  dropped by Golf Town Ancaster yesterday and they had just put 3 on display ( as before it was just on line) on the floor - tried the Mezza and DF 3 - bought the DF 3 - 680 taxes in so basically same price as SC
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
                    LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                    thinking of looking at one for next year
                    I’ve heard their online fitting tool is pretty accurate.
                    You could do that and maybe find out stock lie angle is the right one.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
                      LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                      thinking of looking at one for next year
                      If the lie angle is not correct for you, you won’t see the benefit of the lie/angle/balance tech.

                      The putters can’t be bent so you need to ensure you buy the correct lie.

                      I’m fortunate that the stock 69* fits me.

                      The stock 69* is what’s found in GolfTown.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
                        LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                        thinking of looking at one for next year
                        If you are already spending $700 on a putter, I would very much recommend it - as mentioned, the correct lie angle, and length, is critical, as in most cases it cannot be changed later.

                        Club Champion often have deals like fitting free with $500 purchase, it's worth keeping an eye out for that.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
                          LAB seems to be pushing “fitting” for their putters, so they actually need to be fitted? Or can one just grab one off the shelf

                          thinking of looking at one for next year
                          Their fittings are also free and take 5min to do and like hbomb said if you're spending that much money you might as well get fit to know what you got is fit best for you.

                          I'm about to do that myself just have to find a spot to film.
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                          • #43
                            Evnroll and Odyssey both have lie angle balanced putters coming out next year

                            The technology most surely works.

                            They do take some "buy in" and time to adjust to but they do indeed work.

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                            • #44
                              Yes indeed - I just step on the head of my Ping mallet and crank on the shaft as required

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