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    During a recent swing eval, I was told that my take away is very good, but at the start of the down swing I start too much with my shoulders, coming in very over the top, causing a very steep attack angle, and a slice of the golf ball. I have looked through different videos and articles online, but nothing really seems to "click" in helping to resolve the issue. Any tricks or tips that anyone has used in the past?

    Thanks,

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    When OTT creeps into my driver swing, I remind myself that golf is game of "sideways", and try to turn my back to the target. As a righty, I remind myself that at impact the right arm is under the left arm. If the left arm is under the right arm at impact, than the right shoulder as rolled over.

    Also, an arms'y swing can lead to OTT too.
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    • #3
      I got plenty of tips that I've tried over the years for the same problem. As a 17 handicapper, I've also seen lots of videos. Still working on my drives which have had moments of duck hooks, bad slices and sometimes having the tee ball just dribble off the tee box - all symptoms of coming over the top. Here's a list of what I've tried.

      1. At address, have your clubhead face to the left. That forced me to acknowledge that my face is pointing in the wrong direction and when I swing down, it forced me to come more from the inside. Actually saw this in a web video as a pro recommendation. Works...sometimes...but can be quite erratic if you still come over the top.
      2. Tee the ball further ahead. This forced me to have more "in line" portion of my drive on target. Had some success with this over the years but can lead to major slices if over the top comes back. Also forced me to sway during my swing (as opposed to twist) - leads to inconsistent shots.
      3. Change grip. Although not specifically addressing over the top swing, you'll find that proper grip can help with slicing. Suggest stronger grip on the left hand (i.e. move thumb more to left to show more knuckles).
      4. Work on alignment. Look behind ball and mark a spot a foot or two behind ball which is in line with target. Then align feet parallel with this imaginary line. Part two of this tip (which I got from a golf lesson many years ago), is to try to hit the inside of the golf ball. That should help with the over the top and your alignment should help direct the ball in the right direction
      5. Tee ball not so far ahead. A contradiction of #2 above but I find that all videos recommend teeing ball off inside left heel. That might "force" you not to swing over the top if the ball is closer to your downswing. Also, in conjunction with this, try teeing the ball further away from you. if further away, might make it more difficult for you to swing out to in.
      6. Squat down in your stance. I've tried this years ago. It helped me cut down on the swaying ahead in conjunction with the over the top swing. Looks like a duck waddling but has had it's success.
      7. Beer cart. A beer or two can help you relax and you won't be gripping the club so tightly or swinging for a 300 yard drive.
      8. Acknowledge that it's better to hit the fairway than the parking lot. Ease up on the swing.
      9.
      Also, i'm suffering from ranger Rick syndrome. Drives on range are fine but mess up on course. The solution so far has been to watch your driver head hit the ball and not peek where the ball goes. If alignment is ok, you shouldn't have to peek up and mess up your alignment.

      My current solution has been to slow my swing down significantly. A very slow back swing, a pause at the top to let the head of the club drop a bit then a gradually faster downswing. Being mindful to try to hit inside of ball. A bit stronger left hand grip also helps. So far, averaging 5 fairways hit per round - but still hoping to do better.

      Hope this helps...good luck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by luvtapar88 View Post
        During a recent swing eval, I was told that my take away is very good, but at the start of the down swing I start too much with my shoulders, coming in very over the top, causing a very steep attack angle, and a slice of the golf ball. I have looked through different videos and articles online, but nothing really seems to "click" in helping to resolve the issue. Any tricks or tips that anyone has used in the past?

        Thanks,
        Too much shoulder turn is typical for an over the top swing, its what most amateurs struggle with, you can check every point foreright99 makes up top and still swing shoulders first. But knowing what you do clearly means slowing down the shoulders and letting the hands catch up. Start your downswing feeling hands only..

        check out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-r...wLzwwtLTFYouUg

        Tony teaches this "hand first feel" technique all day. It works amazingly, so much I had to tame it back because I've been over hooking.

        good luck, and remember to exaggerate the feeling at first cause what you feel isnt exactly what youre always going.
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        • #5
          I would also suggest knowing your ball flight...

          https://www.tutelman.com/golf/ballflight/ballflight.php

          You may fix your mistake in minutes not knowing it because your ball continues to go right, only it being a face issue.
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          • #6
            I've started this thread at least once before. No worries, I've been OTT for oh, about 40 years. One tip that has at least led to some control of the fade\slice is the X swing. Swing outside the line on takeaway and you will almost naturally counter with an inside out on the downswing.

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            • #7
              I used to battle the pull hook drive, and it can still creep in a couple times a round if I'm not paying attention.

              It tends to happen when I fail to make a good turn with my hips while keeping my legs firmly planted. It will be all shoulders which causes too long a backswing, and usually results in a quick transition, quick hands (trying to catch up), and a severe over the top move.

              If I really focus on a nice controlled backswing, good full turn of the hips creating tension against my lower body, then the results are usually a good shot.
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              • #8
                I have battled the pull hook for most of my golfing life (over 40 years). I could hit it a mile, but way left.
                In the past month I have spent a lot of practice time focusing on keeping my right elbow tucked in throughout my swing. Early on I exaggerated the motion and tried to focus on hitting slight push, as that had me thinking of hitting from inside -out. I have had some success with this. While it is a work in progress, as the old habit was ingrained into my swing, but in the last several weeks for the most part my driving has improved quite a bit, the result being fewer pull/hooks and more fairways hit.

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                • #9
                  I've been plagued with OTT my whole life and this easy drill/feeling has helped this year.

                  1. line up to swing and place the driver on the ground behind your back foot
                  2. swing through a drive from that position X 5 (bring the club from off of the ground and swing through)
                  3. pull the driver all the way back, stop with the club on the ground behind your back foot, swing through X 5
                  4. pull the driver all the way back, skim the grass behind your back foot, swing through X 5
                  5. take a full swing with the club head hovering just over the ground behind your back foot in the middle of the swing X 5
                  6. hit the ball
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