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  • Ground driver at address, why does it hit above the ground and not at it?

    I tee up my ball so half of it peeks over my driver face while its grounded. Yet the physics of it (on a good shot) dictate that the club will hit the ball above the ground regardless of how I've addressed it.

    What causes the club to hit above the ground and not at it?

    If I start hovering the driver at address, will I have to tee up higher?
    Last edited by ChiGGz; Jul 31, 2020, 04:59 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by ChiGGz View Post
    I tee up my ball so half of it peeks over my driver face while its grounded. Yet the physics of it (on a good shot) dictate that the club will hit the ball above the ground regardless of how I've addressed it.

    If I start hovering the driver at address, will I have to tee up higher?
    Your clubhead will (or will not) hit the ground because of your swing path on the downswing.

    Hovering the clubhead at address will absolutely not guarantee that the club won't hit the ground.

    If you find that you're hitting the ground with your driver (the one club in the bag where that should really never happen) you may want to work on shallowing your swing plane so that it's more horizontal and less vertical.
    Sage of the GTA...

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    • #3
      There is no simple answer to your questions. The distance of your driver above the ground at impact is affected by many things. For example if your elbows are slightly bent at address but fully extended at impact then the club could be closer to the ground or further away from you or some combination of those two. The same can be said of your knee flex. Increase it and you may hot the ground, decrease it and you may hit it thin. Altering your spine angle has the same possible effects.
      If you want so start hovering the driver then you must make some small change in your setup that will affect everything else.Only you can figure out what will happen as you make changes.
      Aim at nothing and you will hit it every time.

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      • #4
        The reason for hovering the ball at address is to ensure your takeaway is a smooth uninterrupted motion into the back swing.

        you do this with every club, including the putter.
        things change

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bl8d View Post
          The reason for hovering the ball at address is to ensure your takeaway is a smooth uninterrupted motion into the back swing.

          you do this with every club, including the putter.
          Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone hover a club at address. There may be some exceptions (hello bunkers!) but other than that... um... no.

          There is/maybe a sort of lift-and-takeaway (no, not lift-and-separate) that is part of the backswing, but TTBOMK the club sole starts on the ground.

          The thing is to learn how your particular takeaway and swing gets the clubface back to where you want it at impact. I play with a guy who sets up his driver so that half the ball is beyond the toe of his driver. He's a single-digit player so it works for him. Drives me nuts to see it.
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          • #6
            In order to hit the ball on the upswing, the driver head has to bottom out before reaching the ball. Imagine where the club head needs to bottom out and try using that as your address position. It will be a few inches behind the ball.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ignatius Reilly View Post

              Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone hover a club at address. There may be some exceptions (hello bunkers!) but other than that... um... no.

              There is/maybe a sort of lift-and-takeaway (no, not lift-and-separate) that is part of the backswing, but TTBOMK the club sole starts on the ground.

              The thing is to learn how your particular takeaway and swing gets the clubface back to where you want it at impact. I play with a guy who sets up his driver so that half the ball is beyond the toe of his driver. He's a single-digit player so it works for him. Drives me nuts to see it.
              Jack Nicklaus never grounded his club (reportedly).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rulie View Post

                Jack Nicklaus never grounded his club (reportedly).
                Kuchar hovers aswell. Including his irons.

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                • #9
                  hovering ensures you don't incur a penalty on yourself.

                  If, through the green, you rest the club behind the ball and cause it to lose its original position ,it costs you a stroke.( resting your club behind the ball when its lying on pine needles and your grounded club moves a remote needle that pulls the ball free from its location)




                  things change

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChiGGz View Post
                    I tee up my ball so half of it peeks over my driver face while its grounded. Yet the physics of it (on a good shot) dictate that the club will hit the ball above the ground regardless of how I've addressed it.

                    What causes the club to hit above the ground and not at it?

                    If I start hovering the driver at address, will I have to tee up higher?

                    Try it. Some like it some don't. I don't.

                    Lots of other stuff including ball position, angle of attack, ball flite are gonna be more important in determining best tee height for you than whether you ground or hover at address.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ChasingPar View Post
                      In order to hit the ball on the upswing, the driver head has to bottom out before reaching the ball. Imagine where the club head needs to bottom out and try using that as your address position. It will be a few inches behind the ball.
                      Fair enough, but I think the OP was considered about hitting the ground (as opposed to the low point of his swing path).
                      Sage of the GTA...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Benz View Post
                        Fair enough, but I think the OP was considered about hitting the ground (as opposed to the low point of his swing path).
                        I think the OP was wondering why his impact position doesn't match his address position. To put it simply, they don't have to match.

                        The technique I suggested keeps the club head on the ground at address. It mimics the bottoming out position, so if the the player feels comfortable at address, he thinks about returning to that bottom out position in his downswing.

                        Another possible technique hovers the club directly behind the ball. In this case, it mimics the impact position. If the player feels comfortable at address, he thinks about returning to that impact position in his downswing.

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                        • #13
                          I'd say the driver doesn't ground out because you're trying to hit the ball and not the ground. If you teed the ball up 6" and ground the club at address, I think you'd still hit the ball and not the ground on your downswing because the ball is the target. The muscles know what they're supposed to do and make lots of little adjustments to accomplish that. It's like when I clear my hips too fast, and suddenly my downswing gets very 'handsy,' causing me to over compensate by rolling over my right wrist, and I snap hook it. Very little of that is conscious motion, but my body making small adjustments due to muscle memory trying to square up the face at impact.
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                          • #14
                            Your address position is never your impact position, so do whatever feels right to end up hitting the ball successfully.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ChasingPar View Post

                              I think the OP was wondering why his impact position doesn't match his address position. To put it simply, they don't have to match.

                              The technique I suggested keeps the club head on the ground at address. It mimics the bottoming out position, so if the the player feels comfortable at address, he thinks about returning to that bottom out position in his downswing.

                              Another possible technique hovers the club directly behind the ball. In this case, it mimics the impact position. If the player feels comfortable at address, he thinks about returning to that impact position in his downswing.
                              I am toying with the idea of hovering vs grounding the club (but about 0.5-1" behind).
                              I ground it with a bit of gap behind the ball with the idea that I am suppose to catch the ball on the upswing.
                              Let me know if I am thinking wrong that way.

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