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  • Feedback system is flawed. Go back to old itrader rating

    As title says. I keep receiving feedback either by accident or from posters who have no interest in the sale. Iíve gotten both positive and negative from said parties. This feedback system is pretty useless for sales, the itrader rating worked. Itís been a year plus. Can we get it back or turn this feedback thing off.

  • par72
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    Until you pick an item up itís not yours. If you offered someone less than asking and arranged a time convenient for you why should the seller back off a higher offer picked up sooner?

    Im not gonna pass up on $$$ so then you can go MIA and Iím sitting with me thumb up me bum cuz I did a nice thing. I think every seller has this happen to them a few times before they realize until cash in hand item isnít sold.

    As far as feedback goes, the old system was a joke too as no one would leave negative feedback and when they did it turned into a massive *****fest in a new thread. Iíll agree that anything is better than this nonsense currently tho.


    Originally posted by Weirfan View Post

    that's happened to me more that a few times here over the years, including recently. I've also had several instances where a person agreed to sell me something at said price and I was going to pick it up at a more convenient time , say in a couple days or on the weekend and then get a note that they got a higher offer and sold it for more. These are douchey moves to me . These have been a topic of discussion and that I have raised in those discussions. The feedback " first to show the money wins" and that a seller 's prerogative to sell an item for as much as they can get. I call it welshing on a deal. It happened not long ago on a car that we saw, negotiated price and agreed upon doing the deal....was very disappointing because we had made arrangements to sell the current vehicle we had, even took a down payment that we returned in full and had to disappoint somebody else that we had committed to in addition to losing the vehicle.

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  • TrGo
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    Originally posted by brownboi View Post
    Any update on a real deal itrader rating. Great simple system. Really miss it.
    From what we can track online, it looks like the developers behind iTrader haven't been updating it for a few years now so there would be no release in the pipeline for vBulletin 5. We are also tracking a new developer who has made something for vBulletin 5 that looks promising, but it's been stuck in "beta" mode for some time now.

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  • Air_Bear
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    Any update on a real deal itrader rating. Great simple system. Really miss it.
    Last edited by Air_Bear; Apr 16, 2019, 08:02 AM.

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  • Nocean
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    Sad to see all my feedback is gone, but happily surprised to see this place is still here.

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  • Benz
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    Originally posted by Jeffc View Post

    I don't think there is any way you can get anyone to post the terms or enforce them doing so.
    Fair enough. I didn't expect that it would be a policy/rule to be enforced, but instead a protocol to be followed voluntarily.

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  • Jeffc
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    Originally posted by Benz View Post

    Understood.

    I would think that if the terms of a deal were posted for all to see and either party doesn't honour the terms then another post could be made stating why the deal didn't go through.

    The key part is that expectations of both parties are made public BEFORE the deal goes through.
    I don't think there is any way you can get anyone to post the terms or enforce them doing so.

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  • nubbie
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    I'm sure some people don't want what they're buying/selling on here and for how much to be broadcast to the world indefinitely, especially the ones with spouses! The blockchain-like approach is a bit much for me.

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  • Benz
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    Originally posted by nubbie View Post
    The way I go about selling in general is the first person who shows up with the money/e-transfer is the person who gets the item, and I wouldn't expect any different when buying on here unless specifically requesting a hold or putting a deposit down in Weirfan 's case. I've wasted too much time on "dibs" and "holding" stuff for people who don't show up or suddenly lose interest. If I've had good experiences in the past with people I know to be trustworthy that's a different story.

    Benz I think the community would be able to self-police this without this feedback system (of course a more advanced system would be helpful). Someone who habitually breaks the terms of a deal and/or posts inaccurate information or pictures I think would eventually be called out sooner rather than later.
    Understood.

    I would think that if the terms of a deal were posted for all to see and either party doesn't honour the terms then another post could be made stating why the deal didn't go through.

    The key part is that expectations of both parties are made public BEFORE the deal goes through.

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  • Air_Bear
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    Glad Iíve started a reasonable discussion on the matter. Iíve experienced all said issues of no shows, last second mind changes etc etc. BST on old site was phenomenal, things in general went far smoother and there was definitely a lot more traffic. TgN has heavily regressed across the board but especially the BST. Hoping we can turn it around though.

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  • nubbie
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    The way I go about selling in general is the first person who shows up with the money/e-transfer is the person who gets the item, and I wouldn't expect any different when buying on here unless specifically requesting a hold or putting a deposit down in Weirfan 's case. I've wasted too much time on "dibs" and "holding" stuff for people who don't show up or suddenly lose interest. If I've had good experiences in the past with people I know to be trustworthy that's a different story.

    Benz I think the community would be able to self-police this without this feedback system (of course a more advanced system would be helpful). Someone who habitually breaks the terms of a deal and/or posts inaccurate information or pictures I think would eventually be called out sooner rather than later.

    When it comes to scratches or other damage not mentioned, you ARE meeting in person... you can feel the club, look at it up close and even swing it if you're in an open area. But most exchanges I've had as a buyer or seller involve a hello, handshake and maybe a cursory glance at the club/bag/whatever and last a minute or two at the most.

    This has never happened, but: as a seller if the buyer finds something wrong and I feel I've accurately described the club through photos or text, there is absolutely no room for negotiation in person if we've already agreed on a price. Similarly if I'm a buyer and feel the seller hasn't described the club's condition accurately, I won't ask for a lower price, I just won't buy it.
    Last edited by nubbie; Dec 13, 2018, 09:11 AM.

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  • Benz
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    Originally posted by Phatchrisrules View Post

    Not to say my proposition was perfect, as I hadn't thought of the circumstance Jeffc brought up. However, I'm just wondering if people would bother going through the ordeal of all that you suggest. I can imagine it could turn into a gripe fest if the buyer noticed a minute scratch on the bottom that isn't visible except for a microscope and then posts a negative.

    Is there perhaps a way to make it like eBay (without all the work) where both buyer and seller have a separate landing page of items bought that the feedback can go through? I'd imagine it's a lot of work to design but it would protect both buyer and seller from uncalled for negative feedback in the form of uninterested buyers as what happened to the OP.
    Perhaps you're right, but I think it's worth a pilot trial. I wanted to come up with something that would work using only the existing technology so that there's no cost to the website.

    My understanding is that most deals go bad because the specific terms of the deal are misunderstood or ignored by one or both parties, or one party just bails out because of a better deal with someone else. I don't think it would be too much work for the seller to issue a post on the specific item BST thread, mainly on the assumption that the negotiations were done via PM and therefore the final message text could be pasted into a post. If the post is not accurate, then the buyer has an opportunity to correct it before the deal is executed. As I mentioned, this open approach to defining the terms of a deal would largely eliminate the "he said / he said" situations about where, when, what and how much.

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  • Phatchrisrules
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    Originally posted by Benz View Post

    Sorry to hear that you've had trouble more than once with a deal being broken.

    I would think that publishing the terms of the deal would prevent that sort of thing.
    It may happen once, but not much more than that if people can't trust the seller.
    Not to say my proposition was perfect, as I hadn't thought of the circumstance Jeffc brought up. However, I'm just wondering if people would bother going through the ordeal of all that you suggest. I can imagine it could turn into a gripe fest if the buyer noticed a minute scratch on the bottom that isn't visible except for a microscope and then posts a negative.

    Is there perhaps a way to make it like eBay (without all the work) where both buyer and seller have a separate landing page of items bought that the feedback can go through? I'd imagine it's a lot of work to design but it would protect both buyer and seller from uncalled for negative feedback in the form of uninterested buyers as what happened to the OP.

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  • Benz
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    Originally posted by Weirfan View Post

    that's happened to me more that a few times here over the years, including recently. I've also had several instances where a person agreed to sell me something at said price and I was going to pick it up at a more convenient time , say in a couple days or on the weekend and then get a note that they got a higher offer and sold it for more. These are douchey moves to me . These have been a topic of discussion and that I have raised in those discussions. The feedback " first to show the money wins" and that a seller 's prerogative to sell an item for as much as they can get. I call it welshing on a deal. It happened not long ago on a car that we saw, negotiated price and agreed upon doing the deal....was very disappointing because we had made arrangements to sell the current vehicle we had, even took a down payment that we returned in full and had to disappoint somebody else that we had committed to in addition to losing the vehicle.
    Sorry to hear that you've had trouble more than once with a deal being broken.

    I would think that publishing the terms of the deal would prevent that sort of thing.
    It may happen once, but not much more than that if people can't trust the seller.

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  • nomullies
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    Interesting since the new site came to be I have no idea feedback still existed. As in no clue how to leave or view said feedback. Didn't mind the old one.

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