America is not for Black People

[pudubny]

you're reading into my post too much. I just think its funny that the same people who think potentially violent offenders should be dealt with by social workers/psychologists, think that police should be responsible for breaking up thanksgiving dinner.

And I think that the people hosting mass Thanksgiving dinners are the same people who think the police should be locking up every person with few spliffs of weed. Especially in the South and in "targeted" neighbourhoods. See, those generalizations go both ways. Ask Jeff Sessions, Trump first choice for AG.

[guitarman]

And I think that the people hosting mass Thanksgiving dinners are the same people who think the police should be locking up every person with few spliffs of weed. Especially in the South and in "targeted" neighbourhoods. See, those generalizations go both ways. Ask Jeff Sessions, Trump first choice for AG.

Boy thats a stretch. I would thought you'd have come up with a better response than that. Oh well I guess trying to make a comparison even if it doesn't make sense.

[Bellyhungry]

I saw in a clip recently that majority of people in jail in America have not been convicted.

The reason they are not out is because they can't afford to pay for bail.

And blacks disporportionately are the ones can't afford to pay bail.

[guitarman]

I saw in a clip recently that majority of people in jail in America have not been convicted.

The reason they are not out is because they can't afford to pay for bail.

And blacks disporportionately are the ones can't afford to pay bail.

I guess we should feel fortunate to be in Canada where they let everyone out whether they can afford bail or not. Yeah its better to have streets filled with criminals.
Whats the answer. Should there be government programs in the US for blacks to over come the disadvantages they face?
Hmmm. Lets see how that works out in Canada for the Indigenous. Natives make up 30% of the prison inmate population despite being 5% of the population in Canada. I can buy a car and among some other things zero tax. Everything else I don't pay 8% (PST portion of HST). My daughter just finished a 3 year Graphics program at Mohawk College, tuition completely covered, $1,000 a month living cost paid to her, books covered and bought her a $3,000 MAC computer for the course. I get free health care. I can combine it with other plans to cover more, It will likely take care of me in retirement if its still there.
Lots of advantages that if we take advantage of them yet we have a high percentage of incarceration. Nope incentives don't seem to be the answer.

[Fredk]

Without a clear picture of how policing in Seattle will change it appears to be a knee jerk reaction with no comprehensive plan in place.

I posted a link to an article on a city in NJ that did the same thing back in the '90s. It worked out pretty well for them, so Seattle has a model they can work with.

Seattle is the first major city to try this. Could be good. Could be a knee jerk reaction that fails.

[The Rifleman]

We have our own concerns here but a friend of mine in Dallas recently told me he had to have the talk with his two teenagers about the Police stopping them and how to react.
They live in an upper middle class neighborhood and both kids drive Range Rovers. My friend has been stopped, in his own neighborhood and grilled. Being a well respected attorney, he has come to the conclusion being black, being in a nice neighborhood in the daytime, let alone the evening is a recipe (my words) for special attention.
The part that made us both laugh is when he gave them his business card and their collective mouths dropped.
Out of all the conversations where guidance is required for those with children, couldn't imagine this having to be one of the important ones.

[pudubny]

I guess we should feel fortunate to be in Canada where they let everyone out whether they can afford bail or not. Yeah its better to have streets filled with criminals.
Whats the answer. Should there be government programs in the US for blacks to over come the disadvantages they face?
Hmmm. Lets see how that works out in Canada for the Indigenous. Natives make up 30% of the prison inmate population despite being 5% of the population in Canada. I can buy a car and among some other things zero tax. Everything else I don't pay 8% (PST portion of HST). My daughter just finished a 3 year Graphics program at Mohawk College, tuition completely covered, $1,000 a month living cost paid to her, books covered and bought her a $3,000 MAC computer for the course. I get free health care. I can combine it with other plans to cover more, It will likely take care of me in retirement if its still there.
Lots of advantages that if we take advantage of them yet we have a high percentage of incarceration. Nope incentives don't seem to be the answer.

Is that what people are proposing? How about equal funding for minority schools for a start? Is that an "advantage" to minorities? Or equal treatment before mortgage lenders? Is that an advantage? To be treated the same? How about less incarceration for drugs? The same sentences as white guys? Is it an advantage to be sentenced on average to the same jail terms as white people?
i realize people talk about reparations and what not but MOST are just talking about making the system more fair for everyone. I have not heard anyone say they shouldn't pay taxes.

[guitarman]

Is that what people are proposing? How about equal funding for minority schools for a start? Is that an "advantage" to minorities? Or equal treatment before mortgage lenders? Is that an advantage? To be treated the same? How about less incarceration for drugs? The same sentences as white guys? Is it an advantage to be sentenced on average to the same jail terms as white people?
i realize people talk about reparations and what not but MOST are just talking about making the system more fair for everyone. I have not heard anyone say they shouldn't pay taxes.

There are black people living on my street. Unless they paid for their house in cash they got a mortgage. Most of this rant about inequality is the rants of the while lefties who want us minorities to believe we're too helpless to help our selves. I'm one of those minorities that did time. When I stopped commiting crimes I didn't got to jail anymore. When I got a job I got a mortgage. The bank only cares about the color of money.

[pudubny]

There are black people living on my street. Unless they paid for their house in cash they got a mortgage. Most of this rant about inequality is the rants of the while lefties who want us minorities to believe we're too helpless to help our selves. I'm one of those minorities that did time. When I stopped commiting crimes I didn't got to jail anymore. When I got a job I got a mortgage. The bank only cares about the color of money.

I don't know about Canada but in the US at least 30 cases have been brought against major lenders for discrimination to minorities. Most have been settled for huge sums of money. Wells Fargo for $175 million. That doesn't include state cases, just federal.
I am a White lefty as you want to call us. But I am also a minority. While my life has been charmed I realize not everyone from my ethnic group is the same and I believe in keeping vigilant for discrimination.
I don't think the millions of minorities who complain about discrimination are being supplanted by liberal lefties.

[guitarman]

I don't know about Canada but in the US at least 30 cases have been brought against major lenders for discrimination to minorities. Most have been settled for huge sums of money. Wells Fargo for $175 million. That doesn't include state cases, just federal.
I am a White lefty as you want to call us. But I am also a minority. While my life has been charmed I realize not everyone from my ethnic group is the same and I believe in keeping vigilant for discrimination.
I don't think the millions of minorities who complain about discrimination are being supplanted by liberal lefties.

Ok so there were cases of discrimination and settlements were awarded. If this were systemic they'd have been told to go pound salt. No matter how hard you try there is always going to be individuals that will discriminate. If they get caught they'll pay.
As far as "not everyone from my ethnic group is the same" not every white person leads a charmed life either. Equal outcome isn't, or shouldn't be guaranteed.

[pudubny]

Ok so there were cases of discrimination and settlements were awarded. If this were systemic they'd have been told to go pound salt. No matter how hard you try there is always going to be individuals that will discriminate. If they get caught they'll pay.
As far as "not everyone from my ethnic group is the same" not every white person leads a charmed life either. Equal outcome isn't, or shouldn't be guaranteed.

No. The bank cases involved thousands of applicants and hundreds of branches. These were not individual cases brought by litigants. These were DOJ cases involving a broad range of practises. And again, I am aware of at least 30 federal cases, there are dozens of state cases. Here is a NIH summary from 2015 I believe which includes a table showing just a sample of cases. It has been added to extensively since.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../#!po=0.485437
I don't think equal school funding is about equal outcomes. It's the beginning of equal opportunity.

[mpare]

The phrase "defund the police" was misconceived from the beginning. For the police and many on the right (and some on the left) it needlessly served to create a negative reaction where none was justified. After all, NO ONE actually believed (and those that did were of no consequence) that it was a good idea to waive good bye to the police. On the other hand, there was more than enough justification for reconsidering the allocation of justice resources to better protect all members of the public while increasing community involvement in, and respect for, the justice system. Suggesting that any such restructuring, which saw a reduction in police budgets, would sound the death knell for law and order was silly, but predictable.

[hackerhare]

The phrase "defund the police" was misconceived from the beginning. For the police and many on the right (and some on the left) it needlessly served to create a negative reaction where none was justified. After all, NO ONE actually believed (and those that did were of no consequence) that it was a good idea to waive good bye to the police. On the other hand, there was more than enough justification for reconsidering the allocation of justice resources to better protect all members of the public while increasing community involvement in, and respect for, the justice system. Suggesting that any such restructuring, which saw a reduction in police budgets, would sound the death knell for law and order was silly, but predictable.

"defund the police" is a catch phrase that the GOP pinned on the Dems. And thru the use of disinformation and propaganda, it stuck. The same with terms like "socialists", etc. The same is happening with the GOP labelling Biden appointees as "appeasers", "leading from behind", "Obama enablers", etc. Just a process to consolidate their base with false narratives.

[bl8d]

The phrase "defund the police" was misconceived from the beginning. For the police and many on the right (and some on the left) it needlessly served to create a negative reaction where none was justified. After all, NO ONE actually believed (and those that did were of no consequence) that it was a good idea to waive good bye to the police. On the other hand, there was more than enough justification for reconsidering the allocation of justice resources to better protect all members of the public while increasing community involvement in, and respect for, the justice system. Suggesting that any such restructuring, which saw a reduction in police budgets, would sound the death knell for law and order was silly, but predictable.

agree it was a poorly conceived phrase, but those on the march hear it in the same resonating vein as "Power to the People".

and those people was never meant to include white people, as far the "defunded "are concerned.

Defunded has none of the trimmings, and all of the 50 dollar burnt steak smell..

[Marty Canuck]

I’m going to assume this will be seen as a positive development? Just want to make sure I’m reading it correctly.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/mi...pFz?li=AAggNb9