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  • #46
    Re: America is not for Black People

    Originally posted by bl8d View Post
    no group in America is as derided, denigrated, abused and looked down upon by blacks, hispanic and whites alike as those defined as white trash, okie, redneck.
    To date no American President has emerged from the dense hinterlands of the Appalachians.
    Worse yet they don't have a Redneck history month, dedicated college, or library where their younguns can research and discover their roots.
    As far as I know there is just one cookbook showcasing whitetrash cookery, and its still available on Amazon. Order now and get a Daisy Mae Apron.
    Ernest Matthew Mickler's White Trash Cooking (1986) features recipes with names such as Goldie's Yo Yo Pudding, Resurrection Cake, Vickies Stickies, and Tutti's Fruited Porkettes.
    I wonder how a Native would respond to this?

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    • #47
      Re: America is not for Black People

      Originally posted by cantcountstrokes View Post
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim

      Please brief yourself.

      He's Algerian-descent (Edit: Syrian) and threatened an officer with a knife. Do I condone the cop's actions? Not at all, but given that situation what did anyone expect to happen? You threaten a cop with any weapon and you should expect him to defend himself.
      It's obvious that you do not have a full understanding of the circumstances of Yatim's death. To suggest that a teenager, alone on a streetcar and armed with a small knife, posed a threat to a group of armed cops standing outside said streetcar is simply ridiculous. Yatim was taken out by an over-zealous cop who apparently does not have the mental capacity to decipher between legitimate threats and imagined ones.

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      • #48
        Re: America is not for Black People

        It appears that Ferguson, MO has turned into a police state.

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        • #49
          Re: America is not for Black People

          Originally posted by Benz View Post
          It's obvious that you do not have a full understanding of the circumstances of Yatim's death. To suggest that a teenager, alone on a streetcar and armed with a small knife, posed a threat to a group of armed cops standing outside said streetcar is simply ridiculous. Yatim was taken out by an over-zealous cop who apparently does not have the mental capacity to decipher between legitimate threats and imagined ones.
          Do you?

          If you walk towards a cop armed, after being told not to take another step, do you expect him to let you approach him and risk personal injury/death to take you down gently?

          All I said was: You threaten a cop, expect to get shot.

          Should he have gone to the taser first? Absolutely, but you take hostages and threaten a bus of people you've escalated it to the next level. No one will say it but being middle eastern certainly didn't de-escalate the situation either. You do stupid things, expect the worst.

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          • #50
            Re: America is not for Black People

            Originally posted by cantcountstrokes View Post
            Do you?

            If you walk towards a cop armed, after being told not to take another step, do you expect him to let you approach him and risk personal injury/death to take you down gently?

            All I said was: You threaten a cop, expect to get shot.

            Should he have gone to the taser first? Absolutely, but you take hostages and threaten a bus of people you've escalated it to the next level. No one will say it but being middle eastern certainly didn't de-escalate the situation either. You do stupid things, expect the worst.
            This kid had some mental issues didn't he? You can't assume someone in that state can act rationally. You should be able to assume that a cop outside the streetcar was not in fear of his life from a knife wielding suspect inside the streetcar. The cop had every tactical advantage going for a safe takedown where no one got hurt.

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            • #51
              Re: America is not for Black People

              I can't help but wish these things didn't happen to innocent people, especially when it's done by Law Enforcement. One thing I can't wrap my head around is why it always seems to escalate from a minor situation, to death?

              Walking down the middle of a street seems silly to begin with, but how does an officer telling you to move to the sidewalk ignite shots fired? Why not move to the sidewalk? Story seems blurry as to what actually happened though.
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              • #52
                Re: America is not for Black People

                Sigh. This has been covered over and over, ad nauseum, elsewhere.

                About 40 or 50 years ago, white moralists decided that black women who were receiving welfare could not have a live-in boyfriend ("we're not going to support those shiftless n******!!"). The result: an enormous increase in black women raising black children on welfare with NO male figure in sight. The women feared losing their benefits if the same man was found at their apartment repeatedly, so they started having serial relationships, many of which resulted in pregnancy. It is not uncommon in the larger US cities to find black women with 3 or more children, all by different men. (Sad to say, it's getting easier to find them in Toronto as well.)

                Which led to two situations, neither good: one, the mom stayed on welfare, raised her kids on welfare, the kids see that mom never works, so they never work, they go on welfare at 16 (to get their own apartment, of course), they have kids, those kids never see mom at work, etc., etc.

                The second is mom decides to get off welfare, and starts working. She probably works 1.5 jobs (one full, one part-time), spends two hours a day or more on the bus (can't afford a car), and is tired all the time. Her kids, who don't have a father figure, are OK until 8-9, but then they see mom is working forever, they haven't got anything nice (car, clothes, etc.), and she is tired and angry all the time. At the same time, they see the bangers in the hood driving fancy cars, wearing lots of bling, etc. So they get recruited into gangs/start using drugs/start messing around, and the cycle repeats.

                It's MORALISM that is the big problem, followed by INSTITUTIONALISM. When welfare was actually charity, and managed by churches, black people all over America went to church, raised families, and were generally law-abiding. (Look at any pictures of Detroit from the 1950's; you'll see plenty of black men in suits and hats, and women in dresses, at restaurants, movies, etc.) Yep, there were some bad apples, but there's bad apples in every race.

                But we INSTITUTIONALIZED welfare, and made it a 'right'. That divorced it from the moral standards (be nice, be clean, go to church, be polite) that the church would enforce before helping you. Then the freakin' MORALISTS take over, telling everybody "I know better than you what's right and wrong, and you're going to live the way I want you to!". So, they keep drugs illegal (which makes the drug business highly profitable and highly dangerous), and the kids see the rich 'bangers, and figure "What have I got to lose?".

                Moralism and institutionalism are both the ugly children of socialism. Socialism kills - slowly, to be sure, but it's a parasitic disease and we've been living with it since the early 60's. It's killing our economy, it's killing our kids, and it's going to kill this country unless it's stopped.

                I figure the chance of stopping it is less than the chance of me making the Champions Tour, and I haven't broken 80 in ten years. Glad I'm old....

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                • #53
                  Re: America is not for Black People

                  Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
                  Moralism and institutionalism are both the ugly children of socialism. Socialism kills - slowly, to be sure, but it's a parasitic disease and we've been living with it since the early 60's. It's killing our economy, it's killing our kids, and it's going to kill this country unless it's stopped.
                  What is your proposed solution?

                  I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why socialistic countries such as Sweden, Denmark & the Netherlands do not seem to have this problem, yet a country such as the USA, which tends to fight all things socialist, does.

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                  • #54
                    Re: America is not for Black People

                    Originally posted by Secam View Post
                    What is your proposed solution?

                    I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why socialistic countries such as Sweden, Denmark & the Netherlands do not seem to have this problem, yet a country such as the USA, which tends to fight all things socialist, does.
                    The countries you named were remarkably homogenous compared to America. Even today, Denmark is almost 90% Danish. Same thing in Sweden, where almost 80% of the population is ethnically Swedish, and a good chunk of the remainder (almost half) is from other Nordic countries or Europe. Homogenized populations means the people share, for the most part, the same ideals, goals, and norms. Same thing holds true in S. Korea and Japan, which is one reason those countries grew so quickly; when everyone agrees on the basics, it's easy to agree how to change and move ahead.

                    I suggest you start reading about the Religion of Peace, and what's happening in Sweden, Denmark, and Holland. Just having 5% Muslims seems to be causing trouble, as there have been riots and the usual demands for sharia law, etc. As their populations become less 'native' and more dominated by immigrants who don't share native values, you can be sure more strife will come. As more immigrants come in through 'family reunification' and other crap, you can be sure the troubles in Europe will look very much like the current troubles in Ferguson.

                    The USA "fight(s) all things socialist?" Since when? The Federal Reserve took over in 1913, and socialism has been growing ever since. Prior to 1929, the Federal gov't in the US rarely spent more than 8% of GDP (exception was WWI); after 1929, in war and in peace, Federal spending was never LESS than 20%, and is about 40% now.

                    But let me attempt to answer your sincere question: What do I propose?

                    First, let's stop treating Canadian citizenship like it's a participant ribbon for 8-year old soccer teams. I think it should mean the following:
                    1. You accept and agree to certain principles, such as Dief's Bill of Rights, the Monarchy, and primacy of law over religion.
                    2. You accept and agree to the traditions of the country, the most important of which is: you are here to make your own life, not to have the country make a life for you.
                    3. You live at least 60% of the year here (exceptions for armed services and diplomatic corps, and people studying abroad)
                    4. Most important, you RENOUNCE all other citizenships if born elsewhere or at age of majority if you have dual citizenship by reason of parent's birth. Get rid of this "passport of convenience" BS where people come here, get a passport, flee back to their 'home' land and then start wailing and whining for Canada to bail them out when their 'home' land erupts into chaos (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, etc.)
                    5. Anyone who accepts the above, be he/she white, brown, black, yellow or green, be he/she straight/gay/confused, or golfer/non-golfer is welcome in the country I'd like to live in.

                    Finally, let's get rid of 'universal suffrage'. It is the poison pill in the democratic concept because it eventually lets the Lilliputians tie down and enslave Gulliver. If slavery of the weak is wrong - and it is! - why isn't slavery of the able? StatsCan just noted that the average Cdn spends 42% of income on taxes; I know most of that isn't coming back to me.

                    Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you. A lot of nations have compulsory 'national service' which doesn't have to mean the Army. In Canada, for example, maybe we could get young people to serve in a corp that helps out with floods in the spring, ice storms in winter, forest fires in summer, etc. They would get to see other parts of the country, meet people from other parts of the country, and live and work together with them for a while. That alone would help us develop a set of shared values and goals, which would make this country much better off than our current "Gimme, gimme, gimme" culture where the game we play is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, let's tax the man behind the tree!" when in fact, we all live in the forest.

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                    • #55
                      Re: America is not for Black People

                      Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
                      The countries you named were remarkably homogenous compared to America. Even today, Denmark is almost 90% Danish. Same thing in Sweden, where almost 80% of the population is ethnically Swedish, and a good chunk of the remainder (almost half) is from other Nordic countries or Europe. Homogenized populations means the people share, for the most part, the same ideals, goals, and norms. Same thing holds true in S. Korea and Japan, which is one reason those countries grew so quickly; when everyone agrees on the basics, it's easy to agree how to change and move ahead.

                      I suggest you start reading about the Religion of Peace, and what's happening in Sweden, Denmark, and Holland. Just having 5% Muslims seems to be causing trouble, as there have been riots and the usual demands for sharia law, etc. As their populations become less 'native' and more dominated by immigrants who don't share native values, you can be sure more strife will come. As more immigrants come in through 'family reunification' and other crap, you can be sure the troubles in Europe will look very much like the current troubles in Ferguson.

                      The USA "fight(s) all things socialist?" Since when? The Federal Reserve took over in 1913, and socialism has been growing ever since. Prior to 1929, the Federal gov't in the US rarely spent more than 8% of GDP (exception was WWI); after 1929, in war and in peace, Federal spending was never LESS than 20%, and is about 40% now.

                      But let me attempt to answer your sincere question: What do I propose?

                      First, let's stop treating Canadian citizenship like it's a participant ribbon for 8-year old soccer teams. I think it should mean the following:
                      1. You accept and agree to certain principles, such as Dief's Bill of Rights, the Monarchy, and primacy of law over religion.
                      2. You accept and agree to the traditions of the country, the most important of which is: you are here to make your own life, not to have the country make a life for you.
                      3. You live at least 60% of the year here (exceptions for armed services and diplomatic corps, and people studying abroad)
                      4. Most important, you RENOUNCE all other citizenships if born elsewhere or at age of majority if you have dual citizenship by reason of parent's birth. Get rid of this "passport of convenience" BS where people come here, get a passport, flee back to their 'home' land and then start wailing and whining for Canada to bail them out when their 'home' land erupts into chaos (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, etc.)
                      5. Anyone who accepts the above, be he/she white, brown, black, yellow or green, be he/she straight/gay/confused, or golfer/non-golfer is welcome in the country I'd like to live in.

                      Finally, let's get rid of 'universal suffrage'. It is the poison pill in the democratic concept because it eventually lets the Lilliputians tie down and enslave Gulliver. If slavery of the weak is wrong - and it is! - why isn't slavery of the able? StatsCan just noted that the average Cdn spends 42% of income on taxes; I know most of that isn't coming back to me.

                      Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you. A lot of nations have compulsory 'national service' which doesn't have to mean the Army. In Canada, for example, maybe we could get young people to serve in a corp that helps out with floods in the spring, ice storms in winter, forest fires in summer, etc. They would get to see other parts of the country, meet people from other parts of the country, and live and work together with them for a while. That alone would help us develop a set of shared values and goals, which would make this country much better off than our current "Gimme, gimme, gimme" culture where the game we play is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, let's tax the man behind the tree!" when in fact, we all live in the forest.
                      Agree 100%

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                      • #56
                        Re: America is not for Black People

                        Interesting article on the government of Ferguson. Some headline stats:

                        Population - 67% black
                        Mayor - white
                        Chief of Police - white
                        Police Force - 95% white

                        http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/..._so_white.html

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                        • #57
                          Re: America is not for Black People

                          Is the military-like action in Ferguson getting the support of the NRA and other gun lobby groups?

                          After all, the situation is exactly what the 2nd commandment depicts.

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                          • #58
                            Re: America is not for Black People

                            Originally posted by Bellyhungry View Post
                            Is the military-like action in Ferguson getting the support of the NRA and other gun lobby groups?

                            After all, the situation is exactly what the 2nd commandment depicts.
                            Just read a piece on that very topic: http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/ferguson-the-nra-and-the-hypocrisy-of-silence/

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                            • #59
                              Re: America is not for Black People

                              Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
                              The countries you named were remarkably homogenous compared to America. Even today, Denmark is almost 90% Danish. Same thing in Sweden, where almost 80% of the population is ethnically Swedish, and a good chunk of the remainder (almost half) is from other Nordic countries or Europe. Homogenized populations means the people share, for the most part, the same ideals, goals, and norms. Same thing holds true in S. Korea and Japan, which is one reason those countries grew so quickly; when everyone agrees on the basics, it's easy to agree how to change and move ahead.

                              I suggest you start reading about the Religion of Peace, and what's happening in Sweden, Denmark, and Holland. Just having 5% Muslims seems to be causing trouble, as there have been riots and the usual demands for sharia law, etc. As their populations become less 'native' and more dominated by immigrants who don't share native values, you can be sure more strife will come. As more immigrants come in through 'family reunification' and other crap, you can be sure the troubles in Europe will look very much like the current troubles in Ferguson.

                              The USA "fight(s) all things socialist?" Since when? The Federal Reserve took over in 1913, and socialism has been growing ever since. Prior to 1929, the Federal gov't in the US rarely spent more than 8% of GDP (exception was WWI); after 1929, in war and in peace, Federal spending was never LESS than 20%, and is about 40% now.

                              But let me attempt to answer your sincere question: What do I propose?

                              First, let's stop treating Canadian citizenship like it's a participant ribbon for 8-year old soccer teams. I think it should mean the following:
                              1. You accept and agree to certain principles, such as Dief's Bill of Rights, the Monarchy, and primacy of law over religion.
                              2. You accept and agree to the traditions of the country, the most important of which is: you are here to make your own life, not to have the country make a life for you.
                              3. You live at least 60% of the year here (exceptions for armed services and diplomatic corps, and people studying abroad)
                              4. Most important, you RENOUNCE all other citizenships if born elsewhere or at age of majority if you have dual citizenship by reason of parent's birth. Get rid of this "passport of convenience" BS where people come here, get a passport, flee back to their 'home' land and then start wailing and whining for Canada to bail them out when their 'home' land erupts into chaos (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, etc.)
                              5. Anyone who accepts the above, be he/she white, brown, black, yellow or green, be he/she straight/gay/confused, or golfer/non-golfer is welcome in the country I'd like to live in.

                              Finally, let's get rid of 'universal suffrage'. It is the poison pill in the democratic concept because it eventually lets the Lilliputians tie down and enslave Gulliver. If slavery of the weak is wrong - and it is! - why isn't slavery of the able? StatsCan just noted that the average Cdn spends 42% of income on taxes; I know most of that isn't coming back to me.

                              Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you. A lot of nations have compulsory 'national service' which doesn't have to mean the Army. In Canada, for example, maybe we could get young people to serve in a corp that helps out with floods in the spring, ice storms in winter, forest fires in summer, etc. They would get to see other parts of the country, meet people from other parts of the country, and live and work together with them for a while. That alone would help us develop a set of shared values and goals, which would make this country much better off than our current "Gimme, gimme, gimme" culture where the game we play is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, let's tax the man behind the tree!" when in fact, we all live in the forest.
                              Would you run for PM please? You have my vote Sir.

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                              • #60
                                Re: America is not for Black People

                                http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

                                quote
                                Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors?"

                                They need to budget for bill board type urban camo, suits, including armoured vehicles with pizza signs on top.lol


                                the NRA agenda is about arming white people from them who ain't.
                                things change

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